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Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by FreedomfromtheT: 8:03am On Jun 12, 2023 |
T8ksy:We are talking about who are the real Lagos indigenes not who are Yorubas. Please stop the mixup. |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Gajagojo: 10:17am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Before talking of indigenes we need to use precise terms Lagos state Is not the same thing as "Lagos" Let us learn to use words accurately and stop being lazy take the time and effort to type Lagos state not Lagos. They are not the same thing Just like in these states There is a distinction between the state and the city which the state is named after Enugu Ondo Oyo Bauchi Kano Sokoto Kaduna That is the first test of who is an indigene They know the difference between Lagos and Lagos State But outsiders are too lazy or too ignorant to realise how important that is Lagos state was created in 1967 by adding territory from the Western region to Lagos Lagos State at creation has FIVE ADMINISTRATIVE DIVISIONS LAGOS EPE IKORODU IKEJA BADAGRY So Lagos is 20% of Lagos state administratively and in land mass much less There is an Oba of Lagos. He is not Oba of Lagos state There are monarchs in Epe,Ikorodu,Badagry and Ikeja That distinction matters to indigenes An indigenes of Ikorodu does not consider himself a Lagosian Lagos is very different from Lagos state Ikorodu and Epe are Ijebu Badagry are Ogu 3 Likes |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by tundearos: 11:22am On Jun 12, 2023 |
Gajagojo:People should ignore this tread, there is nothing you will say that the guy will listen. He had already made up his hate-filled mind. LAGOS Indigenous law has come to stay. God bless Lagos state. 1 Like |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by joyandfaith: 11:26am On Jun 12, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Indigenes of Lagos and badagry are different from Indigenes of mushin, ikorodu, and ikeja. Well, we still have issue of aboriginal in Nigeria. The owner of land is the real Indigene. Get land and become Indigene. |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by T8ksy(m): 1:44pm On Jun 12, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: I have just explained to you in plain elementary english who the real lagos indigenes, are. Once again to reiterate, the descendants of these Yorubas, who founded various parts of Lagos, are the true indigenes of Lagos. Which part of my statement above, are you conflicted with? |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by T8ksy(m): 1:52pm On Jun 12, 2023 |
Stoplying: You are free to believe what you deemed true i.e Jesus Christ came to save ALL mankind. Are you a "Lagosian"? |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Stoplying: 2:03pm On Jun 12, 2023 |
T8ksy:So according to you I believe that Jesus Christ is the saviour of mankind ? What does that have to do with the topic ? So now you want the debate to be turned into religious debates and blind belief in Christianity ? Therefore you require blind belief in Yoruba fairytales. Discussing with you guys makes people dumber, there is no logic in your approach, actually your approach is openly and deliberately against skepticism and logic and proof. You want to create fanatics like yourself. You think history is a religious belief and you write your religion/history then you distribute it and everybody should just have blind faith and believe whatever trash you and your fellow yoruba fanatics come up with. Don't quote me again, useless person. |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by T8ksy(m): 4:03pm On Jun 12, 2023 |
Stoplying: Are you a "Lagosian" ? |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by FreedomfromtheT: 8:54pm On Jun 12, 2023 |
T8ksy:Ok. Whatgat of those that later migrated from Ogun, Ekiti, Oyo, Kwara, Kogi and Ondo states? Are these also indigenous Lagosians? |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by T8ksy(m): 1:33pm On Jun 13, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: I have already answered your question in bold, however i will repeat it here again, they are not indigenous "Lagosians". |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by FreedomfromtheT: 2:42pm On Jun 13, 2023 |
T8ksy:Ok. |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by T8ksy(m): 3:15pm On Jun 13, 2023 |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by FreedomfromtheT: 3:51pm On Jun 13, 2023 |
T8ksy:Are all Yorubas who migrated from Ogun, Ondo, Osun, Oyo, Kwara, Kogi and Ekiti states indigenous Lagosians? |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by T8ksy(m): 4:09pm On Jun 14, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Nope.............but indigenous Lagosians are Yorubas who traced their roots back to ile- ife. |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Stoplying: 4:57pm On Jun 14, 2023 |
T8ksy:Complete lie, show me proof of any body actually migrating from Ife which was built in 1912 (prior to that it was a small settlement). True Lagosians are not Yoruba and have no links whatsoever to Ife, their links are with Benin kingdom (of which Lagos was a province) not Ife. Yoruba itself is not the name of a people but that of a small kingdom which Fulani pulverised and of which the Fulani took the capital. You guys always make claims of migration from Ife, but none of those claims have ever been substantiate. And let us not forget that according to your Oni of Ife, Igbos also migrated from Ife. Soon enough, we will find out that buhari migrated from Ife 🤡 "Trace their root to Ife" 🤡 Precolonial map below says roots are Benin. Perhaps you should stop the tracing of roots because you are very bad at it.
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Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by T8ksy(m): 5:25pm On Jun 14, 2023 |
Stoplying: Omo, na wa o! Why the thing dey pain you so much? I suppose, you know yoruba's history more than the Yorubas, themselves. So, ile-ife was built in 1912, 2 yrs before Amalgamation? Clap for your self! Benin kingdom that was destroyed by the brits in 1897. When the brits came to Lagos circa. 1860, who did they meet in lagos? Yorubas or Benin people? Half education is no good o. 1 Like |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Stoplying: 6:00pm On Jun 14, 2023 |
T8ksy:1) contrary to your belief, the British are not gods. 2) the Precolonial map which I posted predates the British taking Lagos from Benin. 3) after the British took Lagos from Benin, they flooded it with American and European freed slaves and local slaves also migrated into Lagos. 4) once again, Yoruba is not a people but a Precolonial country also known as oyo kingdom. 5) the first mention of Yoruba is from 1808, all these different people who originate from slavery have decided to call themselves Yoruba, that is what explains Yoruba presence in Lagos. 6) migration into Lagos never stopped right from when the British took it over from Benin, it is still ongoing today. 7) it seems you have difficulties understanding, let me be even clearer: when the British took over Lagos, it was a part of Benin, it's people were by definition, Benin people or shall I say Edo. The British didn't take Lagos from Ife, they took it from the Oba of Benin ! |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Stoplying: 6:03pm On Jun 14, 2023 |
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Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by FreedomfromtheT: 10:27am On Jun 15, 2023 |
T8ksy:Do you mean that the indigenous Egun people of Badagry also trace their way to Ile Ife? |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Christistruth03: 11:15am On Jun 15, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT: Yes they do They descended from the Olupopo Who was Oduduwa's Son and the Yorubas call them the Popos they are the same People as the Ewe in in Benin Republic,Togo and Ghana the Ga of the Accra area in Ghana are their Kinsmen https://www.vanguardngr.com/2019/03/yoruba-in-badagry-are-from-ile-ife-not-ghana-high-chief-wawu/ Now where are you from? 1 Like
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Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Christistruth03: 11:35am On Jun 15, 2023 |
Stoplying: Yebous is Ijebu It was the Ijebu that successfully drove Benin from Lagos and took over the left a small remnant of Benin at Isale Eko on Lagos Island as an act of Mercy because the only place that they could have escaped to was the bottom of the Atlantic ocean as they were completely surrounded by the Atlantic ocean And that was even before the 18th Century We challenge you to show us any Ancestral Land in Lagos Belonging to the Oba of Benin Who to his Credit has never for even once dragged Lagos with the Yorubas or disputed Yoruba ownership of Lagos The Ijebu Remo and the Benin People were close Kinsmen and when Benin became overbearing because of the firearms they had bought from their Portuguese trading Partners the Ijebus had a very good reason to be rid of them which they did as soon as the Ijebus had been able to secure Firearms and learnt how to use them
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Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by FreedomfromtheT: 11:50am On Jun 15, 2023 |
Christistruth03:So I should take this your history book to the bank as fact and reality? So you actually accept that the socalled indigenous Lagosians are actually migrants to Lagos like others? |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by FreedomfromtheT: 11:52am On Jun 15, 2023 |
Christistruth03:So you expect me to take this your history class to the bank as fact and reality? If this your story is true, it means that the socalled indigenous Lagosians are actually migrants to Lagos like others, aren't they? |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Christistruth03: 11:57am On Jun 15, 2023 |
FreedomfromtheT:The Popos Kingdom is a Yoruba Kingdom and the Oba of Badagry wears an Ife beaded Crown you can check it out on his head So you are calling Egun People who arrived in Lagos in the 17th Century as guests of the Awori Oba the Alapa of Apa Migrants ? Yorubas don't call them Migrants because their Journey began at Ile Ife with the Olupopo who was Oduduwa's Son Where did you say you were from again ? 1 Like |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Stoplying: 12:11pm On Jun 15, 2023 |
Christistruth03:Complete unsubstantiated rubbish as usual. Actually the Jebu were vassals of the of Benin and the ownership of Lagos went directly from the Oba of Benin to the king of England. Your challenge is stupid, I already provided Precolonial maps and Precolonial texts making it clear that Lagos was part of Benin. My claim is proven. I don't dwell in fairytales unlike you who keep talking about a fairytale character like oduduwa while discussing history. For your information, once again, oduduwa never existed. |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Stoplying: 12:14pm On Jun 15, 2023 |
Christistruth03:We are talking about history and as usual the Yoruba guy starts talking about fairytales like oduduwa and unsubstantiated migration from Ife. Ife which was only built up in 1912 by the British (being a small settlement previous to 1912). Have you ever cared to show actual proof for your claims ? Is it just your fanaticism which you want to share ? If you don't know anything about history then perhaps you should stop debating history. And stop contradicting proven facts. |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Christistruth03: 12:16pm On Jun 15, 2023 |
Stoplying: Yoruba History is not Rubbish That was the explanation of why the Oba of Egun Badagry is wearing an Ife Beaded Crown that only Monarchs descended from Oduduwa Wear That is why you get trashed all the time So where did you say you were from again? |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Stoplying: 12:19pm On Jun 15, 2023 |
Christistruth03:You are delusional. You confuse fairytales with history, what you call "Yoruba history" is just a bunch of fairytales. And you ignore proof which shows you are wrong. I don't need to claim any ethnicity, logic and knowledge has nothing to do with one's ethnicity. |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Christistruth03: 12:26pm On Jun 15, 2023 |
Stoplying: What a Pity You don't have a Clue about Egun History The Egun are Gbe Language Speakers of Yoruba Ancestry The Egun of Benin Republic,the Ewe tribe of Togo and Ghana and the Ga of Accra area and the Western Coast of Ghana are all the same People of Yoruba Ancestry They decended from the Olupopo the Son of Oduduwa Infact since the Alaafin ruled them they become bilingual speaking both Egun and Yoruba I suggest you go to the Oba of Badagry's Palace and confirm from him that his Crown is an Ife Beaded Crown which only Monarchs descended from Oduduwa wear That Crown on the Oba Badagry head is an Ife Beaded Crown it is the Ooni of Ife's Property that was gifted only to the Ife Princes Only Obas descended from Oduduwa wear it and Only the Ooni of Ife gives them out and authorise their use by a monarch and it has been so for the last 1000 years Once any Yoruba Person see's that Crown on any Monarch's head, the full story of his lineage from Oduduwa's Ife Princes has been told
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Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Stoplying: 12:35pm On Jun 15, 2023 |
Don't argue with a fool, and calling @christistruth s fool is an insult to fools. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8PYb28ULHQ |
Re: Who Is An Indigene Of Lagos? by Christistruth03: 12:49pm On Jun 15, 2023 |
Stoplying: Your Case is easy Ok listen to the Oba of lagos Himself At 25 mins of the Video below what exactly did the oba of lagos mean when he Said "i am a yoruba monarch" ? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y0IK0SL9s0&t=1740s And For the one thousandth time What did Oba of lagos mean when he himself told you with his own mouth at 5.45 Minutes "benin are not the owners of lagos” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOsp9VLRFno Link will take you to the video |
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