Ekrenji:

So you have seen that you lied that pagans don’t call the names of their god when sacrificing. Abdulmutolib the pagan called the name of his idol when he ransomed the life of Abdullah, Mohammed’s father with camels.

Can you please quote my lie? 😂

Pagans made sacrifice for their idol while Muslims emulate Abraham whose intention was to sacrifice for God.

What seperate everyone's actions is intention, and all actions shall be judged by intention

braveboy64:

Can you please quote my lie? 😂

“Idolators intention is to kill for their idols and they don't call the name of Allah upon killing it.”
Abdulmutolib was an idolater and he called the name of his idol (Allah) before killing the camels just like you Muslims do till date.

Pagans made sacrifice for their idol while Muslims emulate Abraham whose intention was to sacrifice for God.

Abraham sacrificed a ram, pagan sacrificed camels and other animals, you people are following pagans not Abraham

braveboy64:

Answer
Yes, Abdulmutolib was an idolater

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His intention was for his idol not in anyway related to Islam

Whose name did Abdulmutolib mention before sacrificing his camels?

braveboy64:

You didn't quote the full Hadith and the chain of distribution nor tell us the genuity of the Hadith, you only made reference and attached a meaning to it. A student of knowledge debates with concrete evidence,

Sunan an-Nasa'i 326
It was narrated that Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri said:
"It was said: 'O Messenger of Allah, you perform Wudu' from the well into which the bodies of dogs, menstrual rags and garbage are thrown?' He said: 'Water is pure and it is not made impure by anything.'"
Grade: Hasan


In case Hassan is not okay for you, I will give you the sahih (genuine)

Sunan Abi Dawud 66
Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:
The people asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): Can we perform ablution out of the well of Buda'ah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogs and stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and is not defiled by anything.
Grade: Sahih

Sahih means genuine
Bukhari is a name

Sunan an-Nasa'i is a collection of hadith compiled by Imam Ahmad an-Nasa'i 😆

braveboy64:

Using questions to counter questions, evasion as usual. You need to learn more

Answer:
Mohammed didn't celebrate nor commanded us to celebrate Mawlid

Are Muslims celebrating it unbelievers or going to hell fire?
Muslims se even asking for public holidays to be declared for Mawlid nabiy

Ekrenji:

Chairman I’m at rest. God instructed Abraham to sacrifice ram and he did. An idol instructed instructed Abdulmuttalib to sacrifice camel and he did.

Muslims are now sacrificing camels and are not sticking to what Abraham sacrificed. It’s visible to the blind who you are following!

Chairman rest.

Jehovah told the Children of Israel not to eat Pork/Swine then enter Jesus (Who you claimed to be same Jehovah) who declared ALL Meat CLEAN and Eatable. You lapped that up because it is your "God" that commands such.

A Beam is about to cut off your head but you can see the speck in someone's eye?

If you believe Jehovah made that amendment, then Allah allows Camels, Goats too.

So, rest

Ekrenji:

Are Muslims celebrating it unbelievers or going to hell fire?
Muslims se even asking for public holidays to be declared for Mawlid nabiy

You should be more concern about yourself, they are believers

Ekrenji:

Sunan an-Nasa'i 326
It was narrated that Abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri said:
"It was said: 'O Messenger of Allah, you perform Wudu' from the well into which the bodies of dogs, menstrual rags and garbage are thrown?' He said: 'Water is pure and it is not made impure by anything.'"
Grade: Hasan


In case Hassan is not okay for you, I will give you the sahih (genuine)

Sunan Abi Dawud 66
Narrated AbuSa'id al-Khudri:
The people asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): Can we perform ablution out of the well of Buda'ah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogs and stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and is not defiled by anything.
Grade: Sahih


Sunan an-Nasa'i is a collection of hadith compiled by Imam Ahmad an-Nasa'i 😆

Google, copy and paste as usual 😄.
Water is limited in the Middle East, so they utilize the ones available and accessible if they don't have supply to clean ones.
Islam is a flexible religion which makes provision for difficult times. If you have no access to cleaner water you use the one available. Water we use in performing ablution is dependent on accessibility and availability. Most people use clean water currently because it is readily available and accessible.

Now tell us about the chain of distribution of that hadith 😏, since you know about Hadith

Ekrenji:

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Whose name did Abdulmutolib mention before sacrificing his camels?

Not Allah, I don't care about his idol

Ekrenji:

“Idolators intention is to kill for their idols and they don't call the name of Allah upon killing it.”
Abdulmutolib was an idolater and he called the name of his idol (Allah) before killing the camels just like you Muslims do till date.


Abraham sacrificed a ram, pagan sacrificed camels and other animals, you people are following pagans not Abraham

😂 Allah isn't an idol, it's an Arabic name for God. Bring evidence he did it for Allah


Both pagan and Abraham made sacrifice, both uses ram, what differentiate them is their intention. I explained this already. Did God forbade other animals? No!
Islam is a flexible religion, Allah only intends ease

braveboy64:


😂 Allah isn't an idol, it's an Arabic name for God. Bring evidence he did it for Allah

Bring evidence that he didn’t do it for Allah!

braveboy64:


Not Allah, I don't care about his idol

Bring evidence that it was not Allah!

braveboy64:


Google, copy and paste as usual 😄.
Water is limited in the Middle East, so they utilize the ones available and accessible if they don't have supply to clean ones.
Islam is a flexible religion which makes provision for difficult times. If you have no access to cleaner water you use the one available. Water we use in performing ablution is dependent on accessibility and availability. Most people use clean water currently because it is readily available and accessible.

Now tell us about the chain of distribution of that hadith 😏, since you know about Hadith

Bring evidence that clean water was not available when Mohammed used the stinking water to do ablution.

And bring evidence that the only reason Mohammed used the stinking water was because there was no clean water 😂

braveboy64:

You should be more concern about yourself, they are believers

They are believers. Olright. They are just doing water Mohammed didn’t do, olright.

Ekrenji:

Bring evidence that clean water was not available when Mohammed used the stinking water to do ablution.

And bring evidence that the only reason Mohammed used the stinking water was because there was no clean water 😂

that's not what they use regularly that was why they had to ask

Ekrenji:

Bring evidence that it was not Allah!

search for the names of Arabs idols, I'm a Muslim

Lukuluku69:


Chairman rest.

Jehovah told the Children of Israel not to eat Pork/Swine then enter Jesus (Who you claimed to be same Jehovah) who declared ALL Meat CLEAN and Eatable. You lapped that up because it is your "God" that commands such.

A Beam is about to cut off your head but you can see the speck in someone's eye?

If you believe Jehovah made that amendment, then Allah allows Camels, Goats too.

So, rest

chairman I think you should rest too.
you muslims say that you believe in the law of Moses and that your Allah revealed it. That law on forbiddance of some meat was given through Moses but your koran states otherwise that you can now eat everything except pigs, blood, what is sacrificed to another god and dead animals (Koran 2:173). No wonder some of your clerics are now saying that you can eat dogs, cat and anything except those forbidden in the Koran

So why did Mohammed go against what allah said in the koran by Mohammed forbidding eating the meat of donkeys?

Ekrenji:

Bring evidence that he didn’t do it for Allah!

I told you already, Allah isn't an idol, he worships his idols not Allah

braveboy64:
I told you already, Allah isn't an idol, he worships his idols not Allah

What was the name of his idol?

braveboy64:
search for the names of Arabs idols, I'm a Muslim

Tell us the name of the idol the grandfather of Mohammed worhsipped and sacrificed the camels to

Ekrenji:

What was the name of his idol?

I'm a Muslim not an idol worshiper

Ekrenji:

Tell us the name of the idol the grandfather of Mohammed worhsipped and sacrificed the camels to

I'm a Muslim

braveboy64:
I'm a Muslim

But your prophet was also an idol worshipper like his grandfather.

Do you know why he referred to himself as “the son of two sacrificed ones." ?

Do you know why Mohammed was said to be lost in the Koran

Can you tell us what god Mohammed was serving before he became a prophet?

braveboy64:
I'm a Muslim not an idol worshiper

But your prophet was also an idol worshipper like his grandfather.

Do you know why he referred to himself as “the son of two sacrificed ones." ?

Do you know why Mohammed was said to be lost in the Koran

Can you tell us what god Mohammed was serving before he became a prophet?

Ekrenji:

But your prophet was also an idol worshipper like his grandfather.

Do you know why he referred to himself as “the son of two sacrificed ones." ?

Do you know why Mohammed was said to be lost in the Koran

Can you tell us what god Mohammed was serving before he became a prophet?

You know nothing about Islam, just jumping from one argument to another, I won't continue arguing with you, go do more research, get concrete, unambiguous and indisputable evidences before coming for evidence.

You should be more concerned if you are of the Christian faith. MAY ALLAH SHOW YOU THE WAY

braveboy64:

You know nothing about Islam, just jumping from one argument to another, I won't continue arguing with you, go do more research, get concrete, unambiguous and indisputable evidences before coming for evidence.

Answer the questions I asked before you go:

your prophet was also an idol worshipper like his grandfather.

Do you know why he referred to himself as “the son of two sacrificed ones." ?

Do you know why Mohammed was said to be lost in the Koran

Can you tell us what god Mohammed was serving before he became a prophet?

Ekrenji:
chairman I think you should rest too.
you muslims say that you believe in the law of Moses and that your Allah revealed it. That law on forbiddance of some meat was given through Moses but your koran states otherwise that you can now eat everything except pigs, blood, what is sacrificed to another god and dead animals (Koran 2:173). No wonder some of your clerics are now saying that you can eat dogs, cat and anything except those forbidden in the Koran

So why did Mohammed go against what allah said in the koran by Mohammed forbidding eating the meat of donkeys?

Ok.

Here is a lil' education for you. The Laws do change. I just showed you with the Restriction on Pork in the Old Testament and the supposedly abolition in the New Testament.

The same way Jesus came with the Amendment to eating Pork, so do the Quran make amendment to the Sacrificial Animals.

If Jehovah can allow Swine/Pork which Jehovah forbids thru Moses, why then it becomes an issue if Camels, Cows, Goats are now included?

Lukuluku69:


Ok.

Here is a lil' education for you. The Laws do change. I just showed you with the Restriction on Pork in the Old Testament and the supposedly abolition in the New Testament.

The same way Jesus came with the Amendment to eating Pork, so do the Quran make amendment to the Sacrificial Animals.

If Jehovah can allow Swine/Pork which Jehovah forbids thru Moses, why then it becomes an issue if Camels, Cows, Goats are now included?

Where in the Koran did the sacrificial animal changed from ram to all kinds of animals

Where in the Koran did Allah later forbid eating of donkey meat?

Ekrenji:

Where in the Koran did the sacrificial animal changed from ram to all kinds of animals

Where in the Koran did Allah later forbid eating of donkey meat?

Are you ready to learn or just on one of your you lot meaningless and needless argument?

Lukuluku69:


Are you ready to learn or just on one of your you lot meaningless and needless argument?

Chairman I asked you to show me two things in your Koran, if they are there show me, if they are not say it.
Stop playing dumb :

Where in the Koran did the sacrificial animal of Abraham changed from ram to all kinds of animals?

Where in the Koran did Allah later forbid eating of donkey meat?

Islamic god, allah is about to suck millions of rams

Ekrenji:

Chairman I asked you to show me two things in your Koran, if they are there show me, if they are not say it.
Stop playing dumb :

Where in the Koran did the sacrificial animal of Abraham changed from ram to all kinds of animals?

Where in the Koran did Allah later forbid eating of donkey meat?

Ease with the adjective.

That said, the change to eat Pork came from Jesus mouth: Someone who claimed to be sent by God.

So, if there is a Prophetic Utterances to that abrogation, it is good to go.

Like I said, go easy on the adjectives...