TLona1:


Pep will bench Rodri for prime Busquests bro.

He won't and this does not speak to Busquet's talent which is unquestionable. The reason Pep won't do that is evolution. Pep is a better manager today than he was when he coached Barca between 2008-2012 and he has adjusted his style to accommodate some of the strengths to Rodri's game that prime Busquets does not possess. Obviously, Sergio is better than Rodri at somethings and Rodri in turn is better than Sergio at others. But if the question is about today, a prime Busquets will play some games and Rodri will play some other games. Pep won't use Busquets in the final against Inter Milan for e.g. he would have used Rodri.

Android17:
He won't and this does not speak to Busquet's talent which is unquestionable. The reason Pep won't do that is evolution. Pep is a better manager today than he was when he coached Barca between 2008-2012 and he has adjusted his style to accommodate some of the strengths to Rodri's game that prime Busquets does not possess. Obviously, Sergio is better than Rodri at somethings and Rodri in turn is better than Sergio at others. But if the question is about today, a prime Busquets will play some games and Rodri will play some other games. Pep won't use Busquets in the final against Inter Milan for e.g. he would have used Rodri.

I like the way you put it. The problem is how they're trying to downplay Busquests' abilities and making it look like he didn't play his part during the glory days of Barca.

kendrick93:

First of all as a defender, you are taught to always force the opposition attacker to his weaker foot.
So well done Chiesa for finishing on his weaker foot.
Watching that video Van djik had the right idea but maybe he was a bit casual but then again Chiesa had acres of space to run into so I really don't see what much could have been done.
Van djik forced him to his weaker foot and Chiesa who already had way too much space on the counter finished superbly

Van Dijk is always casual to avoid engagement and preserve his dribble record, A top defender would have engaged and put more pressure on Chiesa but not VVD it was aura defending all the way

First screenshot was when the pass was released and showed that Chiesa didnt have that much advantage over VVD a top defender could have closed that and slid the ball to throwin but VVD job description does not include engaging attackers

2nd screenshot shows VVD backing away more and giving Chiesa more space and more confidence on the ball while VVD culdnt be bothered

3rd screenshot shows when Chiesa actually brought the ball to VVD, but VVD made no attempt to block the ball or do anything to stop the shot, he was hoping Chiesa will shoot off target like Sisokko and claim expert defending

Finally who was VVD pointing to and blaming for the goal? He failed to do his job yet was pointing at an imaginary teammate

Ibime:
The day they will catch Boehly for magomago won't be funny

I'm sure he is now on their radars after that stunt he pulled with Ugarte by disguising transfer fee as investment in Sporting Lisbon, this Paramount sponsorship thing and Saudi (who are Clearlake investors) conveniently buying all our unwanted players

Boli na madman sha

raumdeuter:


Van Dijk is always casual to avoid engagement and preserve his dribble record, A top defender would have engaged and put more pressure on Chiesa but not VVD it was aura defending all the way

First screenshot was when the pass was released and showed that Chiesa didnt have that much advantage over VVD a top defender could have closed that and slid the ball to throwin but VVD job description does not include engaging attackers

2nd screenshot shows VVD backing away more and giving Chiesa more space and more confidence on the ball while VVD culdnt be bothered

3rd screenshot shows when Chiesa actually brought the ball to VVD, but VVD made no attempt to block the ball or do anything to stop the shot, he was hoping Chiesa will shoot off target like Sisokko and claim expert defending

Finally who was VVD pointing to and blaming for the goal? He failed to do his job yet was pointing at an imaginary teammate

Yes Van djik was maybe a bit casual like I agreed...
The problem is there was way too much space on the counter for someone like Chiesa to exploit.
You are too hung up on this engage..
Engaging an attacker like Chiesa who is fast and tricky on a one on one isn't the best.
A top defender picks his moment because engaging, might land you on your backside or an infringement... Boathand.
You push them out wide and force them to their weaker foot that's how a top defender deals with these situations...

Again these are still images and it doesn't provide the context of the situation

kendrick93:

Yes Van djik was maybe a bit casual like I agreed...
The problem is there was way too much space on the counter for someone like Chiesa to exploit.
You are too hung up on this engage..
Engaging an attacker like Chiesa who is fast and tricky on a one on one isn't the best.
A top defender picks his moment because engaging, might land you on your backside or an infringement... Boathand.
You push them out wide and force them to their weaker foot that's how a top defender deals with these situations...

Again these are still images and it doesn't provide the context of the situation

So which moment did VVD pick to engage? After the goal has been scored or when?

Defence is a doing job, not theory and pointing to others to do the job for you

When the pass was released it was 50-50 or even advatange VVD that a serious defender would have cleared the threat but the point defender did nothing, he didnt engage until the goal was scored

raumdeuter:


So which moment did VVD pick to engage? After the goal has been scored or when?

Defence is a doing job, not theory and pointing to others to do the job for you

When the pass was released it was 50-50 or even advatange VVD that a serious defender would have cleared the threat but the point defender did nothing, he didnt engage until the goal was scored

Don't worry we see how the boathand incarnate Upamecano has been engaging and disgracing himself since...You people should award him a 10yr contract instead of looking for which farmers league to send him to..

raumdeuter:


So which moment did VVD pick to engage? After the goal has been scored or when?

Defence is a doing job, not theory and pointing to others to do the job for you

When the pass was released it was 50-50 or even advatange VVD that a serious defender would have cleared the threat but the point defender did nothing, he didnt engage until the goal was scored

How was is it 50-50 when chiesa had all the time to run into the box unchallenged?
Van djik was casual in closing down inside the box I agree.
Upemacano & Boathand has been following your rules of engagement and look what happened to them..

CAPdan21:

Don't worry we see how the boathand incarnate Upamecano has been engaging and disgracing himself since...You people should award him a 10yr contract instead of looking for which farmers league to send him to..

Boateng is Boateng, Upamecano is more of VVD than Boateng.

Boateng led us to 2 trebles and 1 world cup. Lets see if the pointing defender will match that

kendrick93:

How was is it 50-50 when chiesa had all the time to run into the box unchallenged?
Van djik was casual in closing down inside the box I agree.
Upemacano & Boathand has been following your rules of engagement and look what happened to them..

Chiesa will have time to run unchallenged if CCD that was supposed to challenge him is running away. Abi who suppose challenge Chiesa

What happened to Boateng was he won 2 trebles and 1 world cup

Upamecano loses concentration and there is nothing similar to Boateng in him, He is more of VVD

raumdeuter:


Chiesa will have time to run unchallenged if CCD that was supposed to challenge him is running away. Abi who suppose challenge Chiesa

What happened to Boateng was he won 2 trebles and 1 world cup

Upamecano loses concentration and there is nothing similar to Boateng in him, He is more of VVD

Lol.. Upema is a strict adherent to your engagement at all costs...
He took lessons from his senior league boathand.
Same category - anywhere belle face defenders ...

Don't forget Upemacano has also won leagues tagging along just like Boathand did for years..
Both Leaching off their teammates hardwork

Android17:
He won't and this does not speak to Busquet's talent which is unquestionable. The reason Pep won't do that is evolution. Pep is a better manager today than he was when he coached Barca between 2008-2012 and he has adjusted his style to accommodate some of the strengths to Rodri's game that prime Busquets does not possess. Obviously, Sergio is better than Rodri at somethings and Rodri in turn is better than Sergio at others. But if the question is about today, a prime Busquets will play some games and Rodri will play some other games. Pep won't use Busquets in the final against Inter Milan for e.g. he would have used Rodri.

Dey play.

kendrick93:
Lol.. Upema is a strict adherent to your engagement at all costs...
He took lessons from his senior league boathand.
Same category - anywhere belle face defenders ...

Don't forget Upemacano has also won leagues tagging along just like Boathand did for years..
Both Leaching off their teammates hardwork

Upamecano main issue is loss of concentration

While Boateng won the treble twice and world cup once, None of Upa plus VVD have done that. When the 2 brothers Upa and VVD combine to win those trophies on the field let us know instead of backing away from defenders

kendrick93:

A top defender picks his moment because engaging, might land you on your backside or an infringement...

When did VVD engage Chiesa abi its not time to engage Chiesa till now?

Nobody,i repeat no fucking player is touching any version of Sergio Busquet under Pep Guardiola. If it was all about Pep guardiola evolving then there was Kevin Philips to have displace Rodri.

popizaino:
Nobody,i repeat no fucking player is touching any version of Sergio Busquet under Pep Guardiola. If it was all about Pep guardiola evolving then there was Kevin Philips to have displace Rodri.

Busquets or Pirlo?...

popizaino:
Nobody,i repeat no fucking player is touching any version of Sergio Busquet under Pep Guardiola. If it was all about Pep guardiola evolving then there was Kevin Philips to have displace Rodri.

Your fanboyism no go allow you see road. You don already make up your mind, who am I to convince you otherwise?

CAPdan21:

Busquets or Pirlo?...

You wan kill am ni? Pirlo wey dey follow Busquets Oga in Xavi drag naim you want compare am to. Carrick would have been fair competition.

CAPdan21:

Busquets or Pirlo?...

Pirlo is my personal all time favorite. When pep guardiola could not get Pirlo that was when he had to looked inward and turned to Busquet.

pkasso:
Your fanboyism no go allow you see road. You don already make up your mind, who am I to convince you otherwise?

UCL finals was barely a month ago so i am not surprised if Rodri’s exploit still fresh in your memory but Busquet was more and extraordinaire if cast your mind back to 2009 - 2015.

CAPdan21:

Busquets or Pirlo?...

pirlo was never a Defensive midfielder. He was a regista/deep lying playmaker.

Why's no one mentioning Xabi Alonso? 😏

Kpenaldo: Golden show is better than ballon d or

Messi : Hold my beer

Kpendu scored so many own goals that later manifested ,this was far back 2015

Unlimited22:
Why's no one mentioning Xabi Alonso? 😏

Professor X! E never reach Baba turn nau. He was more of a CM, though he played as a deep-lying playmaker towards the end of his career. The tekkers on that man, OMG!

pkasso:
You wan kill am ni? Pirlo wey dey follow Busquets Oga in Xavi drag naim you want compare am to. Carrick would have been fair competition.

Na the same role Pirlo and busi Dey play

You don Dey call Carrick

Smh

If rumours are to be followed and fulfilled

Kepa(Slonina) GK

James(Gusto/Cesar)RB Fofana(Chalobah)CB Silva(Badiashile/Colwill)CB Chilwell(Cucurella/Hall)LB

Midfielders
Enzo, Caicedo, (Chukwuemeka(LM), Santos, RLC/Gallagher(RM))

Attackers
Sterling(Madueke)RW Nkunku(Gabri Viega)CAM Mudryk(Odoi)LW

Strikers
N.Jackson (Broja) CF

popizaino:


Dey play.

I never waded into the conversation about who is better etc. so maybe you should be sure what you are replying to. But I can categorically tell you that Pep Guardiola will not start Busquets over Rodri against Inter like he did not start Walker over Akanji. It is not even debatable.

andrewbaba44:


Na the same role Pirlo and busi Dey play

You don Dey call Carrick

Smh

Not the same role. The same position, defensive midfielder, no 6. Carrick was very good oh. No be everybody get the privilege of playing with Xaviesta.

pkasso:
You wan kill am ni? Pirlo wey dey follow Busquets Oga in Xavi drag naim you want compare am to. Carrick would have been fair competition.

Pirlo that gattuso or matuidi was his bodyguard, busquets was both a deep lying playmaker and a defensive midfielder, Can we then put pirlo's defensive abilities besides busquets?

Android17:
He won't and this does not speak to Busquet's talent which is unquestionable. The reason Pep won't do that is evolution. Pep is a better manager today than he was when he coached Barca between 2008-2012 and he has adjusted his style to accommodate some of the strengths to Rodri's game that prime Busquets does not possess. Obviously, Sergio is better than Rodri at somethings and Rodri in turn is better than Sergio at others. But if the question is about today, a prime Busquets will play some games and Rodri will play some other games. Pep won't use Busquets in the final against Inter Milan for e.g. he would have used Rodri.

Great summary chief except we also mustn't forget the fact that rodri has had John stones as an extra defensive partner alongside him in midfield this season while busquets has mostly operated as a CDM throughout his barca career

TLona1:


I like the way you put it. The problem is how they're trying to downplay Busquets' abilities and making it look like he didn't play his part during the glory days of Barca.

Busquets was the best at what he did in his day and what he did, to me, was the best version of what his peers did at the time but soccer is evolving and it is not something we should be emotional about.

If another manager becomes better than Pep today, I'll be here to say it. If Steph Curry is no longer the greatest shooter ever I'll do same. We can't continue to be stuck in the way things always were. That is why some oldies refused to accept Messi being better than Pelé or Maradona. Away with the nostalgia.

pkasso:
Not the same role. The same position, defensive midfielder, no 6. Carrick was very good oh. No be everybody get the privilege of playing with Xaviesta.

Carrick is good and very underrated ,but was never on busi levels 👌

Still wondered why he never won more than 34 caps for England in a 15 year period

Kilishihunter:

Great summary chief except we also mustn't forget the fact that rodri has had John stones as an extra defensive partner alongside him in midfield while busquets has mostly operated as a CDM throughout his barca career

2 things is;

1. The Stones-Rodri dynamics just started in the 2nd half of the season but Rodri had held his own from last season as well.

2. People are responding like anyone said Busquets was inferior to Rodri. I did not. Sometimes evolution does not mean "better version". It could just mean more adaptable.

Do you know Pep reverted to his Cryuffian tactics in the 2nd half of the UCL final? That means that Rodri played the Busquets role in the 2nd half when his performance improved. Rodri can hold his own in that role without Stones as an anchor. He has proven it many times.

See it like 2 different GOAT level boxers. Their styles are different. Rodri interprets his role differently than Busquets would have. If Rodri played for Barca of 2008-2012 for instance, the midfield may have had less flair and less control but Rodri would have had more assists and goals than Busquets.