Spy360:

It's OK to believe all that. Those are mere religious beliefs which I don't have issues with religion.

I meant to believe that he you are saved by Him.

Trying to drag me into a debate 😁. No mortal can save anybody. Only God can.

Spy360:

It's OK to believe all that. Those are mere religious beliefs which I don't have issues with religion.

I meant to believe that he you are saved by Him.

I know say u go still talk this thing

aieromon:


Constitution is very clear. As long as you are a citizen by birth or birthed to Nigerian parents, you are allowed the right to hold dual citizenship and nothing bars you from holding a political office.

Saraki had the same issue and it died a natural death in 2015.

https://www.ripplesnigeria.com/saraki-defends-his-dual-citizenship/

What you posted is No 29 which has to do with citizenship generally.

Go to No 182 which has to do with criteria to be a governor and tell me what you think of it. Remember that Saraki didn’t VOLUNTARILY acquire UK citizenship.

Spy360:

God in Jesus was crucified. Everybody must not be saved anytime they encounter death.

This is blasephemy. Basically, you're saying that your god is a partial god. While (Romans 2 vs 11)said..."for God does not show favoritism".

afrodoc:


What you posted is No 29 which has to do with citizenship generally.

Go to No 182 which has to with criteria to be a governor and tell me what you think of it. Remember that Saraki didn’t VOLUNTARILY acquire UK citizenship.

Section 28 of the constitution recognises dual citizenship. A Nigerian by birth cannot renounce citizenship except by approval of the President. That was the reason for sharing Section 29.

Section 182 made reference to Section 28.

Several judgements from the Appeal Court have aligned with this position. The issue will be need to be settled at the Supreme Court once and for all.

larride:


Saraki was Governor with dual citizenship, when he became Senate President and APC wanted to use it against him, here is the position of the Supreme Court.

That of Saraki was no voluntarily. He was born in the US. This guy voluntarily took up another citizenship.

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I think no country freely float her currency. The government will intervene, control or manage it at some point.

When the average dollar rate was 155 Naira in 2011. Minimum was was 18000 .

In 2019, when the average dollar rate was 360. The minimum wage was adjusted to 30000 Naira.

My projected average rate for this year will be 800 to dollar.

By the trend above. The new minimum wage will be nothing less than 80000 Naira.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:





This is blasephemy. Basically, you're saying that your god is a partial god. While (Romans 2 vs 11)said..."for God does not show favoritism".

Stop editing my post and then quoting me

Then twist the narrative. If you want to make emphasis use the 'bold marker'.

aieromon:


Section 28 of the constitution recognises dual citizenship. A Nigerian by birth cannot renounce citizenship except by approval of the President. That was the reason for sharing Section 29.

Section 182 made reference to Section 28.

Several judgements from the Appeal Court have aligned with this position.

I don’t know the Appeal court judgements you mentioned but that section 182 that you underlined appears to say someone who has voluntarily acquired dual citizenship CAN’T be governor.
You should read the entire statement rather than just the 3 words you underlined.

TrebleChamp:
Trying to drag me into a debate 😁. No mortal can save anybody. Only God can.

Absolutely

That is why I believe that Jesus is God who came in form of a man with the purpose of bringing salvation to mankind. If this isn't true, then mankind is not and cannot be saved as there's no other reference to salvation in any religion or belief.

afrodoc:



I don’t know the Appeal court judgements you mentioned but that section 182 that you underlined appears to say someone who has voluntarily acquired dual citizenship CAN’T be governor.
You should read the entire statement rather than just the 3 words you underlined.

Key word in that argument.

It is unfortunate that most of our learned friends here are easily blinded by sentiments. They will excuse nonsense as long as it aligns with them. From thuggery, to tribal bigotry, to election rigging and now this.

Evil cannot triumph over good. Chukwu ekwela.

Spy360:

That of Saraki was no voluntarily. He was born in the US. This guy voluntarily took up another citizenship.

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Omo ! This section 182 choke o.

Check the owo church tragedy in ondo state, check the massacre in st philip catholic church 0zubulu... The two parish priests came out unhurt. But we saw pictures of childrens & old parishoners who were sh0t dead in the house of god.


If god allows kids 2 be killed then he's not omnibenevolent god & not worthy of being worshipped.

If he can't prevent those children from getting killed, then that god is not omnipotent. So why fear him?

afrodoc:



I don’t know the Appeal court judgements you mentioned but that section 182 that you underlined appears to say someone who has voluntarily acquired dual citizenship CAN’T be governor.
You should read the entire statement rather than just the 3 words you underlined.

The section 182 is very clear , I guess that was why Saraki was able to scale that hurdle cos it doesn't apply to him.

This section 182 and 187 be like say Hamzat get case to answer o.

Somehow I feel INEC is at fault sha, I guess they don't even check documents submitted to them by politician alongside the provision of the constitution. If they did, they would've spotted this and disqualified him before the election. Or what do u think?

BlueRayDick:


Omo ! This section 182 choke o.

He naturalised as a US citizen and swearing oath of allegiance to them.

I don't see how any SAN can defend that. But trust Nigerian judiciary to bend it to save Sanwo Olu.

OkpaNsukkaisBae:



Check the owo church tragedy in ondo state, check the massacre in st philip catholic 0zubulu... The two parish priests came out unhurt. But we saw pictures of childrens & old parishoners who were sh0t dead in the house of god.


If god allows kids 2 be killed then he's not omnibenevolent god & not worthy of being worshipped.

If he can't prevent those children from getting killed, then that god is not omnipotent. So why fear him?

Was Jesus killed? He was killed and buried but rose again.

One who believes in God is not afraid of death because it is not an ultimate end.

Jesus Himself was tortured and killed in the hands of men like the ones at Owo church. But He rose again. And promised believers same resurrection just as His. If He rose again truly then we believe that He is capable to raising us on the last day.

While death is painful and regrettable, it is not an ultimate end. In fact those who suffer the pains of death and the living. The dead feel no pain, especially when they die in Christ. That's why we say 'rest in peace '.

afrodoc:



I don’t know the Appeal court judgements you mentioned but that section 182 that you underlined appears to say someone who has voluntarily acquired dual citizenship CAN’T be governor.
You should read the entire statement rather than just the 3 words you underlined.

Your position applies to someone who became a citizen by naturalization or registration. Let a SAN explain better.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaM2tFXKhGo

Watch from the 2:00 mark

https://thenigerialawyer.com/a-nigerian-with-dual-citizenship-can-contest-for-any-election-in-nigeria/

Spy360:

That of Saraki was no voluntarily. He was born in the US. This guy voluntarily took up another citizenship.

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Again, the only way for a Nigerian by Birth to renounce his citizenship is not by taking another country oath of allegiance. The process for renouncing the citizenship is laid out.

As long as he remains a Nigerian by Birth, the Case is dead on arrival. What you are posting is for someone that becomes a citizen by naturalization or registration. Not for citizen by birth. That's the reason that section is referring back to section 28 of the constitution.

BlueRayDick:


The section 182 is very clear , I guess that was why Saraki was able to scale that hurdle cos it doesn't apply to him.

This section 182 and 187 be like say Hamzat get case to answer o.

Somehow I feel INEC is at fault sha, I guess they don't even check documents submitted to them by politician alongside the provision of the constitution. If they did, they would've spotted this and disqualified him before the election. Or what do u think?

Yeah it looks clear to me the more I read it.

Saraki was able to scale on that technicality of his UK citizenship not being voluntary.

If the courts are fair e be like say Hamzat’s stay will be a very brief one.

Spy360:

God in Jesus was crucified. Everybody must not be saved anytime they encounter death. Death itself is an inevitable conclusion for all. Death is part of God's plan for the living.

"Everybody must not be saved anytime they encounter death"

no be wetin u talk 4 here. How i take dey edit ur comment kwanu?

aieromon:


Your position applies to someone who became a citizen by naturalization or registration. Let a SAN explain better.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaM2tFXKhGo

Watch from the 2:00 mark

https://thenigerialawyer.com/a-nigerian-with-dual-citizenship-can-contest-for-any-election-in-nigeria/

The guy in the Nigeria lawyer link u shared did a shoddy job at explaining. He carefully didn't address what the constitution said in Section 182 and 187 despite listing both sections authorities he relied on.

Aaoodoka on the other hand was just saying " Maybe", "Maybe", meaning he's not even sure what he's talking about.

afrodoc:


Yeah it looks clear to me the more I read it.

Saraki was able to scale on that technicality of his UK citizenship not being voluntary.

If the courts are fair e be like say Hamzat’s stay will be a very brief one.

I doubt it doc.

The beginning of that section 182 says subject to Section 28.

Here is what section 28 (1) says:

"Subject to other provisions of this section, a person shall forfeit forthwith his citizenship if, not being a citizen of Nigeria by birth, he acquires or retains the citizenship of or nationality of a country, other that Nigeria, of which he is not a citizen by birth."

Meaning you only lose your citizenship if you are not a citizen by birth then go ahead to acquire or retain another country citizenship.

Hamzat is a Nigerian by birth, he can hold dual citizenship and contest for elective office.

larride:


Again, the only way for a Nigerian by Birth to renounce his citizenship is not by taking another country oath of allegiance. The process for renouncing the citizenship is laid out.

As long as he remains a Nigerian by Birth, the Case is dead on arrival. What you are posting is for someone that becomes a citizen by naturalization or registration. Not for citizen by birth. That's the reason that section is referring back to section 28 of the constitution.

No.

Section 28(1) talks about the forfeiture of citizenship for a person not born in Nigeria or of Nigerian parentage. Key word forfeiture.

Section 182 talks about someone who voluntarily swears allegiance to another country.

Hamzat may not have forfeited his Nigerian citizenship but he has voluntarily sworn allegiance to another country of which he is not a citizen by birth.

Spy360:

No.

Section 28(1) talks about the forfeiture of citizenship for a person not born in Nigeria or of Nigerian parentage. Key word forfeiture.

Section 182 talks about someone who voluntarily swears allegiance to another country.

Hamzat may not have forfeited his Nigerian citizenship but he has voluntarily sworn allegiance to another country of which he is not a citizen by birth.

There's a reason why that section 182 refer back to section 28 in the beginning of the sentence meaning the section 182 is not standing alone.

As a Nigerian by birth, you can hold dual citizenship whether voluntarily or citizenship by birth. You are eligible to stand for elective positions.

Spy360:

Was Jesus killed? He was killed and buried but rose again.

One who believes in God is not afraid of death because it is not an ultimate end.

Jesus Himself was tortured and killed in the hands of men like the ones at Owo church. But He rose again. And promised believers same resurrection just as His. If He rose again truly then we believe that He is capable to raising us on the last day.

While death is painful and regrettable, it is not an ultimate end. In fact those who suffer the pains of death and the living. The dead feel no pain, especially when they die in Christ. That's why we say 'rest in peace '.

Simple question.

The Xtian god according 2 the bible, is he an all_powerful god?

Is he an all~merciful god?

Is he an impartial god?

aieromon:


Your position applies to someone who became a citizen by naturalization or registration. Let a SAN explain better.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaM2tFXKhGo

Watch from the 2:00 mark

https://thenigerialawyer.com/a-nigerian-with-dual-citizenship-can-contest-for-any-election-in-nigeria/

Once again the people who framed this constitution need to be flogged. Meanwhile the lawyer explaining it just went round and round without clarifying specific issues. No wonder our lawyers frame confusing laws.

The only explanation I can give for the “Subject to Section 28” in that Section 182 which will exonerate Hamzat is that they meant people who are not Nigerians by birth can’t acquire dual citizenship elsewhere and still run for governor.
If that’s the case then Section 182 is superfluous as Section 177 already states that only citizens by birth can be governors.

On face value Section 182 states that if you voluntarily acquire the citizenship of another country you can’t run for governor.

Prior rulings have to be viewed in context because while the constitution requires governors and presidents to be Nigerian by birth, it allows representatives just to be Nigerian (by birth or otherwise).

OkpaNsukkaisBae:






"Everybody must not be saved anytime they encounter death"

no be wetin u talk 4 here. How i take dey edit ur comment kwanu?

Let me just answer you.

I said death is an inevitable end. So even if we pray from now till 'thy kingdom' we will all die somehow and someday. So when people pray to God for someone or themselves to be saved from dying, it will not always be affirmative. I believe that a believer at the point of death receives peace from God who has called him home to Himself. He may drown, be shot, or beheaded or whatever but he will be at peace.

larride:


I doubt it doc.

The beginning of that section 182 says subject to Section 28.

Here is what section 28 (1) says:

"Subject to other provisions of this section, a person shall forfeit forthwith his citizenship if, not being a citizen of Nigeria by birth, he acquires or retains the citizenship of or nationality of a country, other that Nigeria, of which he is not a citizen by birth."

Meaning you only lose your citizenship if you are not a citizen by birth then go ahead to acquire or retain another country citizenship.

Hamzat is a Nigerian by birth, he can hold dual citizenship and contest for elective office.

If that’s the case then Section 182 has no place in the constitution cos it is just adding to the confusion.

Why would you put a section concerning Nigerians not by birth in the governor’s eligibility criteria when earlier in section 177 it is stated clearly that only Nigerians by birth can be governor.

That means section 182 will never ever apply to anyone.

afrodoc:


Once again the people who framed this constitution need to be flogged. Meanwhile the lawyer explaining it just went round and round without clarifying specific issues. No wonder our lawyers frame confusing laws.

The only explanation I can give for the “Subject to Section 28” in that Section 182 which will exonerate Hamzat is that they meant people who are not Nigerians by birth can’t acquire dual citizenship elsewhere and still run for governor.
If that’s the case then Section 182 is superfluous as Section 177 already states that only citizens by birth can be governors.

On face value Section 182 states that if you voluntarily acquire the citizenship of another country you can’t run for governor.

Prior rulings have to viewed in context because while the constitution requires governors and presidents to be Nigerian by birth, it allows representatives just to be Nigerian (by birth or otherwise).

Even for NASS, there is same provision as section 182. In Section 66(1), it says the same thing that section 182 says.

larride:


I doubt it doc.

The beginning of that section 182 says subject to Section 28.

Here is what section 28 (1) says:

"Subject to other provisions of this section, a person shall forfeit forthwith his citizenship if, not being a citizen of Nigeria by birth, he acquires or retains the citizenship of or nationality of a country, other that Nigeria, of which he is not a citizen by birth."

Meaning you only lose your citizenship if you are not a citizen by birth then go ahead to acquire or retain another country citizenship.

Hamzat is a Nigerian by birth, he can hold dual citizenship and contest for elective office.

The real issue here is hamzat has been chasing the seat since before 2015.he was fasholas choice for governor but ambo happened. He was basically been doing governor in training. As it is, this will almost certainly torpedo any future hopes he has. It may even be some people within apc who have eyes on 2027

larride:


Even for NASS, there is same provision as section 182. In Section 66(1), it says the same thing that section 182 says.

NASS is different. Nigerians by naturalisation are allowed to be in NASS.

Only Nigerians by birth can be governors. If Section 28 does not have to do with Nigerians by birth what is it doing in the governors criteria?

afrodoc:


NASS is different. Nigerians by naturalisation are allowed to be in NASS.

Only Nigerians by birth can be governors. If Section 28 does not have to do with Nigerians by birth what is it doing in the governors criteria?

That's what I'm saying, That section 66(1) a, it's practically the same thing with section 182 (a) with exact wordings.

See the screenshot.