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Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 4:39pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
Maynmann:Do you even understand the meaning of First, Second and Third person in speech? It looks like you dont know iw |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by Maynmann: 4:40pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
TenQ:You don’t understand what you are saying. How can you be writing in third person and recording event that a god said? how did the third person know that moses went to mountain to receive anything. And besides it’s Torah that is said to be written mostly in third person. You are disproving the validating of your bible yourself, we are still on Old Testament, we haven’t even reach New Testament.
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Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 5:36pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
Maynmann:The point of contention is very simple. 1. The Quran is the Verbatim words of Allah 2. The Bible is NOT the verbatim words of God. The Bible is written in First, Second and Third point of view. It is NOT everything in the Bible that is God SAID! The Bible is a CHRONICLE of Gods dealing with His people AND their Reactions and Consequences of their Actions. Which one of these do you disagree with: Bird of the same Father!? |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by Maynmann: 5:58pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
TenQ: The creation story in quran is same with the one in the jewish bible. Allah and Elohim means same thing. The Torah is written in 3rd person despite they claiming it is written by moses. The books in the bible were gotten from different sources from unknown authors, edited and altered of course it is not the word of yahweh. Don’t you all worship the same gods and bow to the same father?, abrahamaic Elohim. |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 7:36pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
AntiChristian:Thank you sir at least you can cure my lunacy by answering truthfully to my questions. AntiChristian:Let me go with you here: FIVE groups of people 1. Muslims = Follow Mohammed 2. Jews = Follow Moses 3. Christians = Follow Jesus 4. Sabians = Follow Constellations 5. Whoever believes in Allah and the Last day and does good There is NO iota of indication in the VERSE if they fear Allah or NOT: if there is please show me. Let me prove it with a simple Question Please read Bukhari 2926 AND tell me if the Muslims will kill ALL the Jews or separate the Jews that refuse to fear Allah? Sahih al-Bukhari 2926 Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him." AntiChristian:"they shall have their reward from THEIR LORD. " AND "they shall have their reward from US " Mean complete different things. Quran 12:1 Alif, Lam, Ra. These are the verses of the clear Book. Quran 3:7 He it is Who hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture wherein are clear revelations - they are the substance of the Book - and others (which are) allegorical. But those in whose hearts is doubt pursue, forsooth, that which is allegorical seeking (to cause) dissension by seeking to explain it. None knoweth its explanation save Allah. And those who are of sound instruction say: We believe therein; the whole is from our Lord; but only men of understanding really heed. Allah wrote a book in which the allegorical parts are impossible for the target audience to understand: however, Qur'an 2:62 is NOT allegorical. Is it? If Qur'an 2:62 is NOT allegorical, we can assume that it is very clear and means exactly what it says AntiChristian:According to the Islamic standard narrative which breaks down on scrutiny. Your answer causes a problem It is either 1. Mohammed wrote this verse forgetting that he should be impasonating Allah OR 2. Allah was referring to the Lord of the Christians, the Jews and the Sabians as different from himself Proof: Can you show me a single sentence where THEIR can refer to ME, MYSELF, I or US? AntiChristian:How can Allah be THEIR Lord when Allah uses the word THEIR for their Lord? Proof: Can you write a single sentence where a person can use the word THEIR for HIMSELF I guess I need some lectures in English language from you. AntiChristian:You seem to forget that Allah was making a LIST of those whom THEIR Lord will save on the Last day. Your highlight in YELLOW is the 5th category it is NOT an umbrella characteristics. Proof: Quran 2:62 إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ وَٱلَّذِينَ هَادُوا۟ وَٱلنَّصَـٰرَىٰ وَٱلصَّـٰبِـِٔينَ مَنْ ءَامَنَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَـٰلِحًۭا فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ I want to believe that you know that WA[/i] in Arabic means [i]AND! and MAN in Arabic mean WHOEVER 1. Indeed those who Believed (إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟) 2. AND Those who became Jews (ءَامَنُوا۟ وَٱلَّذِينَ هَادُوا۟) 3. AND the Christians (وَٱلنَّصَـٰرَىٰ) 4. AND the Sabians (وَٱلصَّـٰبِـِٔينَ) 5. WHOEVER [/b]believed in Allah (وَٱلصَّـٰبِـِٔينَ مَنْ ءَامَنَ بِٱللَّهِ) and the last day and did righteous deeds (وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَـٰلِحًۭا) [b]Proof: This is a LIST that is EXCLUSIVE ( that is: it doesn't mean that it refers to a person who is BOTH a Muslim, a Christian, A Jew, a Sabian and also believed in Allah). That is it is sufficient for a person to be EITHER a Muslim OR a Jew OR a Christian OR a Sabian OR Whoever Believed in Allah and the last day and did Righteous deeds. Let me help Allah rewrite the Ayah in such a way that it will go with your standard Islamic narrative. Qur'an 2:62 Surely those who believe (Muslims), and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians See how I have helped Allah to write the Quran in a perfectly un-ambiguous way according to your standard Islamic narrative. Question: 1. Is it UNTRUE that the WHOSOEVER mentioned in Quran 2;62 refers to ANYONE ELSE (Not a Muslim, nor a Jew, nor a Christian nor a Sabian) but believes in Allah and the Last day and does good? 2. If you say this is UNTRUE, what happens to the people of the 124,000 islamic prophets sent to China, America, Germany, Costa Rica , Ibadan, Oyo etc? Note that the people of Noah are not Jews, the people of Abraham are not Jews and Allah says in Quran 10:47 Quran 10:47 And for every nation there is a messenger. And when their messenger cometh (on the Day of Judgment) it will be judged between them fairly, and they will not be wronged. gaskiyamagana:You could have checked the foolery of my bigotry in christianization of Quran 2:62 by answering this question Question: 1. Is it UNTRUE that the WHOSOEVER mentioned in Quran 2;62 refers to ANYONE ELSE (Not a Muslim, nor a Jew, nor a Christian nor a Sabian) but believes in Allah and the Last day and does good? 2. If you say this is UNTRUE, what happens to the people of the 124,000 islamic prophets sent to China, America, Germany, Costa Rica , Ibadan, Oyo etc? I ask you to look at my correction of the Quran 2:62 to confirm if it says exactly what you desire it to say? LOL!! I guess you didn't know that Quran 2:62 and Quran 5:69 are fairly IDENTICAL and thus offer no added message Quran 5:69 إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ وَٱلَّذِينَ هَادُوا۟ وَٱلصَّـٰبِـُٔونَ وَٱلنَّصَـٰرَىٰ مَنْ ءَامَنَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَـٰلِحًۭا فَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ Quran 22:17 replaced the Sabians with the Magians (if you want me to take them as identical) and it added the IDOLATERS: claiming that Allah will judge between them on the day of resurrection. If you had read AntiChristian's write-up, you wouldn't have goofed this bad Quran 22:17 إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ وَٱلَّذِينَ هَادُوا۟ وَٱلصَّـٰبِـِٔينَ وَٱلنَّصَـٰرَىٰ وَٱلْمَجُوسَ وَٱلَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوٓا۟ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ يَفْصِلُ بَيْنَهُمْ يَوْمَ ٱلْقِيَـٰمَةِ ۚ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلَىٰ كُلِّ شَىْءٍۢ شَهِيدٌ |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 7:55pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
AntiChristian:I didn't ask Allah to write the Quran in such a way that it is full of grammatical errors I helped Allah rewrite the Ayah in such a way that it will go with your standard Islamic narrative. Qur'an 2:62 Surely those who believe (Muslims), and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians See how I have helped Allah to write the Quran in a perfectly un-ambiguous way according to your standard Islamic narrative. Can you check if it is precise enough? I did ask you some simple Questions: 1. How can Allah be THEIR Lord when Allah uses the word THEIR for their Lord? Shouldn't Allah have used "whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with 2. Can you write a single sentence where a person can use the word THEIR for HIMSELF? or Can you show me a single sentence where THEIR can refer to ME, MYSELF, I or US? 3. Shouldn't Allah have used "whoever believes in It is obvious that Muhammad wrote this verse forgetting that he should be impersonating Allah |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 8:01pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
Maynmann:Oh, so Adam was created in 40 years? AND Adam is as tall as a skyscraper? AND God struck Adams Right hand and white children like ants came out and God Struck Adams left arm and black children like ants came forth? Speak to the issue of contention or get out of here: son of the same Father! |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by Maynmann: 8:05pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
TenQ:Where are you seeing all these jargons? And which of the adams? Adam kadmon? Adam Rishon? You lack knowledge on this issue, just like Muslims you are a property of Abrahamaic deities, they own all of you. Child of the Israelite god you will learn.
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Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 8:11pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
Maynmann:You are completely ignorant of Islam BUT because you are sons of the same Father, you felt obliged to fight for them. Please, go an learn or at least ask questions: I will NOT teach you Islam! |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by Maynmann: 8:17pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
TenQ:You are the one that is ignorant of islam. Islam literally means “he surrendered”, i told you elohim and allah means same thing you both are worshipping the same god, properties of Abrahamaic deities, you are owned by them. You know nothing about islam. Even your christianity you lack the knowledge. I WILL TUTOR YOU and your isrealite father together. |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by advocatejare(m): 8:24pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
TenQ:I think you should stop wasting your attention on Islam apologists disguising as low budget atheists. They are demonic elements who never see anything wrong in Islamic teachings but stand against anything Christianity |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 8:33pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
Maynmann:See how you've digressed? Please, go and learn or at least ask questions: I will NOT teach you Islam! |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 8:34pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
advocatejare:Thanks Bro! He has been ignored! He came to deliver his brother from the same father Satan! Mainman is an Atheist I think. He doesn't know a hoot about Islam but he desires to be their champion deliverer LOL! 1 Like |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by Maynmann: 8:41pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
TenQ:That’s because you lack understanding of the abrahamaic gods you are worshipping. Once again, allah and elohim means same thing, you know nothing about islam, i will TUTOR you and your isrealite father! |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 8:57pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
Maynmann:And you have a good understanding of satan in whose kingdom you serve. Congratulations! Since, I'm not interested in your domain, quietly leave before you get hurt! |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by Maynmann: 8:59pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
TenQ:You don’t even know what “satan” means, and the “kingdom” as used in the New Testament and tanakh you lack the meaning. I will tutor you and your isrealite father, yahweh your creator will break into pieces before i get hurt! |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by bobestman(m): 9:00pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
The verse shows that all your religions have their lords/god/master which is not the God of heaven who made all things cos non seek him as written in your bible. Every god has their symbols. That of islam is the crescent moon. That of christianity is the sun. That is why you worship on a sun-god day aka sun-day and a sun disk is always behind Jesus your god in his pic. Lord is a code for baal/master/god not the God of heaven. Many names in your bible like lord, lord god etc are names of lesser gods. It is written in that day you shall call me Ishi and no longer baali. You ppl call on lords/gods/baal. In that day you all shall know the truth |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 10:00pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
Maynmann:? |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by Maynmann: 10:04pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
TenQ:? |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by honesttalk21: 11:06pm On Jun 24, 2023 |
Perhaps it's a big deal then again it may not. Allah often refers to himself in plural to connote divine majesty or royalty. This is an ancient Arabian rhetorical method that has fallen into disuse in both modern Arabic and modern English. This has led modern readers to misunderstand pronominal references to God using the majestic “we” as a Quranic justification for the Trinity or for idolatry. Don't know if this can be compared to Yoruba language where elders are addressed as won. I really shouldn't be on threads originated by the OP more so when it often appears to be a ploy for ridicule and play. |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by SIRTee15: 12:14am On Jun 25, 2023 |
TenQ: Pls ignore that troll. Don't let her derail this thread. |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by Maynmann: 2:16am On Jun 25, 2023 |
Jewish slaves defending their jewish masters and fods. |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 4:53am On Jun 25, 2023 |
honesttalk21:I understand that Allah uses plural such as We and US for himself to imply majesty and I am willing to conceded that. This was why I rewrote the Qur'an 2:62 as is below to suit the standard Islamic narrative Qur'an 2:62 Surely those who believe (Muslims), and those who are Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabians If you check this verse, you cannot but agree that it is precise and unambiguous unlike the original? Secondly, I did ask you some simple Questions: How can Allah be THEIR Lord when Allah uses the word THEIR for their Lord? Shouldn't Allah have used "whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with Thirdly, I said: can you write a single sentence where a person can use the word THEIR for HIMSELF? or Can you show me a single sentence where THEIR can refer to ME, MYSELF, I or US? Once you use THEIR in a sentence, the possessive pronoun become EXCLUSIVE to you. Example : Their is the possessive pronoun , as in "their car is red"; While there is used as an adjective, "he is always there for me," a noun, "get away from there," and, chiefly, an adverb, "stop right there"; they're is a contraction of "they are," as in "they're getting married." Finally, The sentence is made worse with Allah Already using his name as second person as Allah in the verse. This gives an impression that: Muhammad wrote this verse forgetting that he should be impersonating Allah Ambiguities would have been laid to rest if Allah had used "whoever believes in |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 4:56am On Jun 25, 2023 |
SIRTee15:I have. Thank you! He's the Son of the same father as Muslims: it looks like he got a message from their headquarters to come fight for his struggling brother. |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 5:05am On Jun 25, 2023 |
bobestman:I didn't know that you are so educated like this? What is your religion if you have one and who is your teacher : I think I will like to learn from you. LOL Like us Adventist's and those who practice Judaism, our God should be SAT for Saturn: don't you think so? In Saudi Arabia, Christians go to church on Fridays making the Saudi Christian's God being FRI. You can help me with the identity Fri as I am not that knowledgeable in this thing |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by AntiChristian: 5:33am On Jun 25, 2023 |
TenQ: Try and rewrite it in Arabic first before translating it to the English you don't understand indepth! Ignorance plus arrogance! |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by AntiChristian: 5:38am On Jun 25, 2023 |
TenQ: Actually I didn't goof but there's no way you can explain to a kindergarten that 3 minus 4 = -1. It's just useless, stupid and a waste of time! |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by AntiChristian: 5:43am On Jun 25, 2023 |
honesttalk21: Exactly! But may just respond sometimes according to your capacity and the time available to you. Whoever is destined to perish will of course be dumb to the truth! |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 7:05am On Jun 25, 2023 |
AntiChristian:I translated it into Arabic! Did you not see it in the other post? Let me copy it here for you Proof: Quran 2:62 إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟ وَٱلَّذِينَ هَادُوا۟ وَٱلنَّصَـٰرَىٰ وَٱلصَّـٰبِـِٔينَ مَنْ ءَامَنَ بِٱللَّهِ وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَـٰلِحًۭا فَلَهُمْ أَجْرُهُمْ عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ I want to believe that you know that WA in Arabic means AND! and MAN in Arabic mean WHOEVER 1. Indeed those who Believed (إِنَّ ٱلَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوا۟) 2. AND Those who became Jews (ءَامَنُوا۟ وَٱلَّذِينَ هَادُوا۟) 3. AND the Christians (وَٱلنَّصَـٰرَىٰ) 4. AND the Sabians (وَٱلصَّـٰبِـِٔينَ) 5. WHOEVER believed in Allah (وَٱلصَّـٰبِـِٔينَ مَنْ ءَامَنَ بِٱللَّهِ) and the last day and did righteous deeds (وَٱلْيَوْمِ ٱلْـَٔاخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَـٰلِحًۭا) |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 7:10am On Jun 25, 2023 |
AntiChristian:Thank you! As far as anyone can see, it is you who can't answer simple questions from observations made from your Quran. Instead of your 3 minus 4 = -1 example, how difficult could the explanation be even to sincere Muslims who I help to ask questions about the Qur'an they would never have asked? |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by TenQ: 7:16am On Jun 25, 2023 |
AntiChristian:honesttalk21 was at least able to give a cogent Argument of the Almighty Allah's use of plural pronoun such as WE or US for himself, unfortunately you hadn't been able to logically probe anything except repeat your memorised narratives! Why is it that Allah wrote the Qur'an for Humans yet decided to make it unintelligible for them? |
Re: Who Are These Other "Lord" (God) Allah Speak About by bobestman(m): 7:21am On Jun 25, 2023 |
TenQ:If you can humble yourself enough you can learn. Before your religions their was a Way all your religion copied from. Your bible said the ancient path is the good way. Truth is not given to the proud. You are blinded with religion and can never accept anything against it. All the day of your worship is dedicated to a lord according to Gregorian calender. If your religion is connected to that lord, you worship it. You can never understand how these things work. Non of you seek the true God but lesser gods/lords |
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