Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by nairalanda1(m): 12:45am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rossikk:
Plutarch was not an African, and knew nothing about African religion. Why the hell would he write about African religion, or are you dumb?
We are talking of people who were there in the same country and town and village as 'Jesus' completely BLANKING HIS EXiSTENCE.
No use your brain, you hear? The Roman empire was a vast and large empire, with plenty of religions and beliefs. Plutarch did not write about Jesus, celtic religion, the religion of the illyricans, the religion of the gauls, and the religon of the scythians, saxons, etc etc....therefore they did not exist, and all these religions and peoples were in the Roman empire at one point or the other. So, expecting him to write about Jesus is a stretch. Particularly as he was not Jewish. At the end, the flaw in your argument is that you are not ready to hold your religion to the standards you hold Christianity to. We bring evidence, you say it is garbage. We try to hold your religion to the same standards you hold ours to...you start saying 'They were not africans...' Well, Romans are not Jewish either. So, we can assume that since Romans did not write about African religion it did not exist. (They did write about the Picts and those ones were never part of Rome). Good am. 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Rossikk(m): 12:53am On Jun 28, 2023 |
nairalanda1:
The Roman empire was a vast and large empire, with plenty of religions and beliefs.
Plutarch did not write about Jesus, celtic religion, the religion of the illyricans, the religion of the gauls, and the religon of the scythians, saxons, etc etc....therefore they did not exist, and all these religions and peoples were in the Roman empire at one point or the other. We are talking of ''JESUS'', not ''religion of the gauls, religion of the scythians'' etc etc. Those religions had their mythical godmen like Mithra, Hercules, Poseidon etc, but no one ever claimed they literally existed. The personality of ''JESUS'' whom you liars claim is ''the Son Of God'' who actually LIVED and who caused a massive sensation with his presence in the region, from miracles - walking on a sea - to speaking to large crowds in public sermons - changing 3 fishes to 5,000 TO RAISING THE DEAD TO FLYING UP INTO HEAVEN BEFORE ONLOOKERS, is what we are saying ''Provide the evidence.'' WHY WAS NOTHING WRITTEN ABOUT HIM BY HIS PEERS IN HIS COUNTRY WHO WROTE ABOUT EVERY UNIMPORTANT THING? Don't deflect by asking why Romans did not write about Oduduwa or Amadioha. Those are generally seen as mythical personalities and entities and are not in their area of knowledge. ''JESUS'' was, and they were SILENT. So it is a LIE. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Rossikk(m): 1:23am On Jun 28, 2023 |
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Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Omoawoke: 1:56am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rostikol: Go to UK today. On Sunday na only Nigerian immigrants and a few from Ghana wey you go see for church.
Everyone is carrying on with their normal lives. You are very correct. Na only Ghana and Nigeria dey go church for western countries 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by kingthreat(m): 2:20am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rostikol:
Do you know that the only reason you believe in Jesus is that it was drilled into your head as a child before your brain was developed enough to filter out bullshiit?
If you heard the story as an adult for the first time, you would instantly reject it.
You would never accept that somebody was born by a virgin and raised the dead, and flew up into heaven at a dinner table before onlookers.
Such a fool that is totally blind to spirituality. You think if Jesus didn't work, why else will people seek him? If prayers via Jesus don't get answered, why then do people keep praying? 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Winneepye: 2:20am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Lack of presence of God in your life will subject you to poverty. Travel to Israel they will show you his family house, his earthly family members exists there. 3 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by udede(m): 3:59am On Jun 28, 2023 |
nairalanda1: If you want a more lively discussion, we have a section called the Religion section.
Take it there. You are not supposed to even respond to the "agwu" controlled op. His confusion is obvious 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by udede(m): 4:08am On Jun 28, 2023 |
"Agwu" is a vagabond spirit, tormenting people with confusions by puring unsubstantiated "facts" into their saturated brains for their destruction unless the agwu was appeased by the tormented by been dedicated to its worship.
People like that do not know that they are technically mad but rather than seek solution through the word of God they will just go about talking trash. |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by glacswhite: 4:18am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Can you guys check his real name Yeshua ..Jesus wasn't his real name |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by rummmy: 4:34am On Jun 28, 2023 |
OhuDealer:
Okoro Jew rat.
I see how Yeshua Christi is now one of the figures to blame for your Biafra loss
don't link this to igbos unless you wan collect wotowoto..this is the jihadist hand work. The poster is not Igbo please take note. |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Nobody: 6:39am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Op, Jesus exist in the bible and in the Quran. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by iramure(m): 7:05am On Jun 28, 2023 |
OhuDealer:
Speak for yourself
Heathen atheist lol You will experience pure love if you can understand. |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by vdestro: 7:30am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rostikol:
Do you know that the only reason you believe in Jesus is that it was drilled into your head as a child before your brain was developed enough to filter out bullshiit?
If you heard the story as an adult for the first time, you would instantly reject it.
You would never accept that somebody was born by a virgin and raised the dead, and flew up into heaven at a dinner table before onlookers.
Is it you adults who we have confessed that you were fools in throwing away things that you thought should be thrown away only to later regret it? The mere fact that you are not intelligent enough to understand the bible does not mean that the bible did not say what things happened. Funny so where lies drilled into you yet even before you grew up, yet they had scattered, yet Jesus, stood forever, even now that you reject Him. 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by vdestro: 7:36am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rossikk:
Poor brainwashed soul.
Indians are still worshiping their cows, the Chinese their dragons, and the Japanese their crocs, and they are THRIVING, because those are the gods of their ancestors.
You with your imported oyinbo saviour, are you dong better than them?
Or lemme guess. All those Chinese and Indians and Japanese who number BILLIONS, are all going to roast in fire forever. ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png)
Is that not what the white man told you in his 'holy' book? ![wink](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/wink.png)
If you don't worship US, ie THE WHITE MAN, ie ''JESUS'', you will burn in an everlasting fire that is unquenchable.
That's really what this is all about, and you're a big fool for believing them.
Emancipate yourself from foolishness, you hear? See how you are screaming desperation like a bitch trying to get married up to being oblivous of the fact that there are chinese, japanese and indians who have taken up Christianity.. 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by nairalanda1(m): 7:40am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rossikk:
African SPIRITUALITY is not dependent on 'saviours' and 'personalities' like 'Jesus'.
African spirituality is dated to tens of thousands of years old. All it does is acknowledge there is Supreme Being, who has helpers or assistants known a deities, that humans are immortal souls here on Earth for a brief time, to return back home to the land of the ancestors upon death. Your job is to KNOW THYSELF and let heart be light as a feather (concepts christianity stole from African spirituality).
SO AFRICAN RELIGION HAS NOTHING TO PROVE TO YOU OR ANY CHRISTIANS.
Most of your christian tales are stolen from earlier spiritual traditions oAfrica, and then distorted to become worship of a fake white 'saviour'.
Even the whole Jesus and Mary story was STOLEN from the ancIent black African religion of Egypt and Nubia, with the Egyptian Son of God Horus-At (from where we got 'Orisha', Olisa, Olise and other West African pantheons) whose mother was ISIS-MERI.
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Are you dumb? Just because the Roman leaders invented 'jesus' doesn't mean everyone fell in line and supported them.
Go and read the book, 'CREATING CHRIST' to know why they did. But here is a taster:
Creating Christ: How Roman Emperors Invented Christianity by James Valliant and Warren Fahy
''Christianity was created by the Roman state, and the New Testament was Roman propaganda designed to pacify fanatically rebellious Jews. This is the boldly original thesis James Valliant and Warren Fahy present in Creating Christ: How Roman Emperors Invented Christianity.
The Romans dominated a vast polyglot, multicultural, religiously tolerant empire of conquered nations. They adroitly co-opted the gods and customs of subjugated peoples as a means of assimilating enemy tribes under their political hegemony.
Jews, on the other hand, are known to have been fanatically monotheistic, ferociously nationalistic, intensely xenophobic, and fiercely intolerant of paganism. Ancient Judea was a seething hotbed of Jewish fanatics determined to overthrow secular Roman governance and establish an independent state ruled by strict orthodox Judaism. The Jews utterly repudiated Rome’s vision of a religiously tolerant empire. In their view, God’s “chosen people” held “the truth” denied to lesser faiths and tribes.
The two cultures were ice and heat, water and fire. The relentless Jewish uprisings against Rome were inevitable. Valliant and Fahy describe the conflict, drawing parallels with modern events:
Religious fanatics from the Middle East are waging an assault on Western Civilization, and have just struck a demoralizing blow to the very capital of “foreign decadence.” Leery of war with an entire people, the West acknowledges only advocates of peace to be “true” followers of the terrorists’ religion. Indeed, Western leaders claim that their attackers’ own dogma commands peace.
The year is 66 C.E. The civilization under attack is the Roman Empire. And the terrorists: an ancient fanatical sect of Judaism.1 (ix)
The cultural conflict was bitter. Twice, the Jews rose against Roman subjugation. The first war was fought between 66 and 73 CE and the second between 132 and 136 CE. The Romans, of course, wielded a powerful military. They were brutal conquerors who went through Judea with a blowtorch. Valliant and Fahy write:
In the end, two prolonged, bloody wars were fought in Judea in the 1st and 2nd Centuries, wars that cost hundreds of thousands of lives, the enslavement of thousands more, the complete and final destruction of the Jewish Temple in Jerusalem [leaving only what has come to be known as “the Wailing Wall”], and a legal expulsion of the Jewish people from Judea that extended the Diaspora for two thousand years. . . . the conflict between Romans and Jews was a cultural and military cataclysm that would reverberate through the centuries. (x–xi)
Although the Romans were ruthless conquerors, they were also political geniuses. For example, the Romans conquered Greece in 146 BCE and co-opted the Greek gods, incorporating them into the Roman pantheon. They ascribed to Jupiter the qualities of Zeus, and both gods could be worshipped in either name. They cross-identified their own deities with Greek ones, giving them new stories and traits. Large and important elements of Greek culture and religion were welcomed and integrated with Roman culture, making Greeks as at home as is possible for conquered peoples to be in a vast military empire. The Romans did this repeatedly.
Given this, the authors write: “Attempting to adapt and conform the hostile Hebrew religion to Roman culture, and especially its messianic flashpoint, would have been the Romans’ standard practice and, considering the stakes, one of their major priorities” . As Valliant writes elsewhere, “If there were not an official Roman form of Judaism, it would be a lacuna. But there is—Christianity.”
The evidence for this thesis falls into two categories: that within the New Testament and that without.
'Creating Christ' shows that the New Testament should be read as a political plea to fanatical Jews to obey the Roman state. In a famous line, Jesus commands Jews to obey Caesar and to pay their taxes to Rome; further, he befriends the hated tax collectors. In an era of bitter Jewish tension with Greco-Roman culture, he declares that the faith of a Roman centurion exceeds that of any Jew.
He repeatedly calls for peace and even proclaims the very non-Jewish, anti-Old Testament principle that Jews should turn the other cheek and not resist evil. Jesus delivers this exhortation to a people whose holy book repeatedly preaches the need to annihilate all pagans occupying the Holy Land of God’s “chosen people.”
For example, speaking of pagans, God says in the Old Testament, “I will send hornets before thee, which shall drive out the Hivite, the Canaanite, and the Hittite from before thee. . . . I will deliver the inhabitants of the land into your hand; and thou shalt drive them out before thee. . . . They shall not dwell in thy land.”
'Jesus' preached nonviolence against Rome to a people nurtured on such Old Testament calls for relentless warfare against pagans.
In 70 CE, the future emperor Titus razed the Jews’ sacred Second Temple. Valliant and Fahy point out the generally accepted truth that the earliest Gospel—that of Mark—was most likely written in the 70s CE, a few years after the destruction of the Second Temple and forty years after Jesus’s 'crucifixion'. Therein, Jesus “predicted” the destruction of the Second Temple as punishment for the Jews’ war against Rome, saying that peace would ensue thereafter.
Titus, who claimed to be the second coming of Christ (as had his father, Vespasian), now offered to Jewish followers of Jesus the era of peace and flourishing he promised—the Pax Romana (Roman peace)—on the grounds, of course, that they desist. Titus thereby fulfilled Jesus’s “prophecy.” Or, as Valliant and Fahy cogently argue, the “prophecy” was written to cohere with and legitimize Roman conquest: “Jesus prophesies that the ‘construction’ of his metaphorical temple, the Church, cannot begin until after the [Jewish Second] Temple is destroyed. Thus, Titus’s deed is a necessary part of God’s plan” .
So, the story told in the New Testament is that God punished the Jews for rejecting and murdering the Messiah, for demanding the execution of the “Prince of Peace”—the man who called for nonviolence against Rome. Now they get a second chance to worship him after “Christ’s Glorious Second Coming 40 years later, in the persons of Vespasian and Titus” .
'Creating Christ' makes this clear: The New Testament’s villains—always—are fanatically violent Jews who kill the “Prince of Peace” and war against Rome—and justice is served on them. In the Gospels, the Roman governor, Pilate, is extremely reluctant to execute Jesus; the unruly Jews demand it. In Acts, Roman officials save Paul numerous times from bloodthirsty Jewish mobs intent on murdering him. Paul writes of friends highly placed in the Roman government. Valliant and Fahy note, “Paul . . . closes that letter [to the Philippians] with warm greetings from those ‘in Caesar’s household’” . The message of the New Testament is consistent: “The Gospels, Acts, and even Paul’s letters, show Romans in only one invariably positive light”—and militant Jews only in a negative one. Indeed, the intense anti-Jewish propaganda of the New Testament brought on centuries of bitter Christian anti-Semitism.
Valliant and Fahy show that the New Testament drumbeat for obedience to Rome is incessant. For example, the authors quote from Romans 13, in which Paul commands full obedience to Rome: “Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. . . . Consequently, whoever rebels against the authorities is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves.”
Who would most benefit from the teachings of the New Testament in practice? Valliant and Fahy’s book shows that the answer is, unquestionably, Rome. “The Romans realized that a military opposition to the Jewish conflict would not be enough. They would need an ideological campaign, as well”.
Perhaps the most striking evidence for the book’s thesis from outside the New Testament pertains to Christian symbolism. The cross did not become the symbol of Christianity until the fourth century CE.
For three centuries prior, the Christian symbol was a dolphin wrapped around an anchor. The authors show a picture of this earliest symbol of Christ side by side with a picture of a surviving Roman coin. Such coins were issued in the millions by the Flavian Emperor Titus, who conquered Jerusalem and sacked the Temple just as 'Jesus' had prophesied. The symbol it bears, a dolphin wrapped around an anchor, is the very symbol Christians used to symbolize Christ for the first three centuries before the Emperor Constantine replaced it with the symbol of the cross. (5–6)
The authors ask: “How is it possible that the first symbol Christians chose to represent Jesus Christ was used by a Roman emperor—the very emperor who fulfilled Jesus’s prophecy by destroying the Jewish Temple and who proclaimed himself to be the Jewish Messiah?”. The inexplicable becomes clear in light of Valliant and Fahy’s argument.
Then there was St. Clement of Rome, who the church considers one of its earliest popes. St. Clement was Titus Flavius Clemens, “Vespasian’s nephew and Titus’s cousin” . He was a consul (a high-ranking government official) under these two emperors. “How could such a close relative of the Flavian emperors [and an official of their government] be the second, third, or fourth pope, or any such high-ranking figure in the early Church?”
Because, as the book’s subtitle states, Roman emperors invented Christianity. It’s no surprise that a Catholic saint and an early pope of the church was a close relative and a government functionary of Roman emperors—who themselves claimed to be the Jewish Messiah and the second coming of Jesus Christ.
'Creating Christ' provides a trove of unprecedented insights about the genesis of the modern world’s most popular religion. All interested in Christianity’s provenance would do well to read this boldly original book.
https://theobjectivestandard.com/2021/04/creating-christ-how-roman-emperors-invented-christianity-by-james-valliant-and-warren-fahy/ I am going to respond to this long comment with a simple quote from Tacitus But all human efforts, all the lavish gifts of the emperor, and the propitiations of the gods, did not banish the sinister belief that the conflagration was the result of an order. Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired. Nero offered his gardens for the spectacle, and was exhibiting a show in the circus, while he mingled with the people in the dress of a charioteer or stood aloft on a car. Hence, even for criminals who deserved extreme and exemplary punishment, there arose a feeling of compassion; for it was not, as it seemed, for the public good, but to glut one man's cruelty, that they were being destroyedSo, if christianity was invented in AD71 by the Romans, HOW come christians were around during the great fire of Rome in AD 64? Was there some time travelling involved? And why does every mention of Christians prior to 300 ad in Roman records sound negative? Why were christians persecuted repeatedly? At the end, the people you are quoting are just the same as those who state that Jesus was the son of a Roman soldier, Jesus family grave was found, and Jesus was Apollonius of Tyana. The Horus is Jesus myth has been disproved self. 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by vdestro: 7:42am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rostikol: When una go get sense?
The English people who taught you this nonsense don’t bother with church anymore.
They’ve converted their churches to schools, nightclubs, banks and bars.
They have done the research and realise the Jesus tale is a MYTH.
A Roman fabrication.
He never existed.
When will you colonised cretins stop this Jesus nonsense and finally GROW UP? Common sense would have told you that they wouldnt have used it, if it was not powerfull and that they dropped it because it was God Who was using them like a postman to bring it to us, and when it was done, He discarded them. So, continue being the complaining fool for if your foolishness was good for you, you would not be here making noise bothering about Jesus. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:51am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rostikol:
Do you know that the only reason you believe in Jesus is that it was drilled into your head as a child before your brain was developed enough to filter out bullshiit? If you heard the story as an adult for the first time, you would instantly reject it. You would never accept that somebody was born by a virgin and raised the dead, and flew up into heaven at a dinner table before onlookers. Whatever you read in the Bible wasn't meant to be taken seriously by any intelligent person until you see the fulfilment of what God promised that's the time you can't beat it but believe every detail about Jesus of Nazareth who is called CHRIST! Of course it can never sound well to anyone that a child was born by a virgin but what about meeting a global group of people who has used the counsel found in a book to settle all their racial disparities peacefully among themselves, diverted their resources into the production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of destructive devices and vowed never to raise weapons against their fellowman? {Isaiah 2:2-4} whereas billions of dollars are spent on daily basis by others who aren't members of that group to amass destructive devices and train men, women and children to continue killing themselves! Revelations 6:3-4 Do you think such a thing is possible? Well with the wise counsel found in Jesus' word written in the Bible {Isaiah 9:6} a global family of peace loving worshipers has sufficed doing God's will just as it was prophesied in the that book. That's what made me believe everything written about how Jesus of Nazareth was born and how he lived his life! Hebrews 11:1 ![smiley](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/smiley.png) |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by imam07: 8:23am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rostikol: Go to UK today. On Sunday na only Nigerian immigrants and a few from Ghana wey you go see for church.
Everyone is carrying on with their normal lives. does dat shows Jesus does exist? Jesus Christ doesn't live inside church. Why are people going to church be your problem. Boko haram killing people u go complain. People going to church peacefully is also a problem to you. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Chibuezem(m): 9:24am On Jun 28, 2023 |
danijesus: you are a kingdom man... yes I belong to the kingdom of God through His Son Jesus Christ. 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Christistruth03: 10:14am On Jun 28, 2023 |
1Sharon:
Are you an Ethiopian Christian? The Ethiopian Church is a 1,700 year old indigenous African Church 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by MikeBetty(m): 10:42am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rostikol: When una go get sense?
The English people who taught you this nonsense don’t bother with church anymore.
They’ve converted their churches to schools, nightclubs, banks and bars.
They have done the research and realise the Jesus tale is a MYTH. A fool has said in his heart, there is no God. A Roman fabrication.
He never existed.
When will you colonised cretins stop this Jesus nonsense and finally GROW UP? |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Kukutenla: 11:18am On Jun 28, 2023 |
nairalanda1:
A brainwashed person won't be able to argue for his beliefs actively. He or she would just brainlessly parrot the same talking points.
The guy you quoted is not brainwashed. Better stop misusing terms. Which means you have been brainwashed on the subject of fuel subsidy ![lipsrsealed](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/lipsrsealed.png) |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Kukutenla: 11:20am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Rossikk:
I haven't done as much research on Muhammed because I was born into a christian environment, so that is my special area of research.
I don't care for Islam or Muhammed because they are just as terrible as christianity for Africa.
Ok. I hope you will maintain the same energy and verve when Sonponna the god of smallpox chooses you as the next sacrifice to cleanse your village of the next outbreak 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by nairalanda1(m): 11:20am On Jun 28, 2023 |
Kukutenla:
Which means you have been brainwashed on the subject of fuel subsidy ![lipsrsealed](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/lipsrsealed.png) K. |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by SIRTee15: 11:59am On Jun 28, 2023 |
izicooo: I completely disagree with the OP but on critical thought he just said the truth. Don't get me twisted, i'm a Christian oo, a worker in my church but the OP is making some sense here. Most of these Bible stories i'm beginning to doubt them as fairry tales. #myview There's nothing wrong in critical thinking. A lot of people had these kinds of thoughts, done their research and conclude Jesus was a real human being. All historians and bible critic unanimously agree Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist and was crucified. Now his divine status may be of contention but that's why Christianity is a personal conviction. It's not about going to church or being a worker, it's about having the person of the holy spirit in you to convict u via building a personal relationship with God. Sincerely this is the only way u will know Jesus is divine. Nothing else can prove. Jesus himself did not announce his divinity to the world when he was on earth. Instead he made people discover it by themselves and proclaim it with their voice. That's what Christ also want u to do. 3 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by vdestro: 12:26pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
izicooo: I completely disagree with the OP but on critical thought he just said the truth. Don't get me twisted, i'm a Christian oo, a worker in my church but the OP is making some sense here. Most of these Bible stories i'm beginning to doubt them as fairry tales. #myview See devils in the church, claiming christian. 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by vdestro: 12:28pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
SIRTee15:
There's nothing wrong in critical thinking. A lot of people had these kinds of thoughts, done their research and conclude Jesus was a real human being. All historians and bible critic unanimously agree Jesus was baptised by John the Baptist and was crucified. Now his divine status may be of contention but that's why Christianity is a personal conviction. It's not about going to church or being a worker, it's about having the person of the holy spirit in you to convict u via building a personal relationship with God. Sincerely this is the only way u will know Jesus is divine. Nothing else can prove. Jesus himself did not announce his divinity to the world when he was on earth. Instead he made people discover it by themselves and proclaim it with their voice. That's what Christ also want u to do. You need to learn that devils are in the church and that devils must talk like devils. 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Heroclitus(m): 12:50pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
1Sharon:
Why was Lord Voldemort mentioned in Harry Potter if he doesn't exist?
Alot of Jewish people don't even believe in God not to talk of Jesus. You dont get it...Its not about believing in him. Josephus is a jewish historian who lived in the same century as Jesus, in fact, most of his acount on Jesus' existence were negative and harsh cause he himself came from the bloodline of Pharisee but being an historian first, he had to write evert critical stuffs he heard and knew about Jesus in his Jewish chronicle Like the other guy said, Pliny and Tacitus are few of the other historians to write about Jesus existence Its fine not to believe in God, but its not bright to think Jesus, who lived during the era of Augustus Caesar + Tiberius Caesar a roman fiction considering these those emperors were real characters.....Make some little research,ma 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by Heroclitus(m): 12:54pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
1Sharon:
So you that is all the way in sub-saharan Africa is an expert? This aunty is a feminist, Misandry and now u don add atheism to am You're always extreme end of every school of thought u belong....I do hope you're well verse in other subjects too 2 Likes |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by vdestro: 12:59pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
1Sharon:
So you that is all the way in sub-saharan Africa is an expert? Why not? Is it not an african who became an expert in American football causing death to the players? It is not compulsory that you talk. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by 1Sharon(f): 2:22pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Heroclitus:
This U.K aunty is a feminist, Misandry and now u don add atheism to am
You're always extreme end of every school of thought u belong....I do hope you're well verse in other subjects too I don't have a problem with men in general. The way you Nigerian men back home reason is shocking in the 21st century. You sound like a hater, why did you bring up my location? |
Re: Jesus Never Existed. It Is A Roman Fabrication by 1Sharon(f): 2:25pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Heroclitus:
You dont get it...Its not about believing in him. Josephus is a jewish historian who lived in the same century as Jesus, in fact, most of his acount on Jesus' existence were negative and harsh cause he himself came from the bloodline of Pharisee but being an historian first, he had to write evert critical stuffs he heard and knew about Jesus in his Jewish chronicle
Like the other guy said, Pliny and Tacitus are few of the other historians to write about Jesus existence
Its fine not to believe in God, but its not bright to think Jesus, who lived during the era of Augustus Caesar + Tiberius Caesar a roman fiction considering these those emperors were real characters.....Make some little research,ma Josephus and Jesus didn't live in the same timeline. He is critical of Jesus because most Jewish people are christophobic. 1 Like |