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Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Parachoco: 12:21pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
ajailer:May God bless you for speaking the truth 1 Like |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Nobody: 12:23pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Penguin2: Yes I am a Tinubu supporter but I have never said he played no part in Buhari becoming President. I only insist Tinubu cannot ever, by any fair person, be blamed for Buhari's action in office. Tinubu is a politician so his permanent political interest comes with the terrain always. The merger of APC he masterminded is an indication of this. I.e a movement to oust PDP and sieze power for ambitious politicians who wanted the chance to lead the centre by deposing the ruling Party. Barcelona, Man City, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and co would not dominate world football if they stop paying the most money others cannot pay to buy the best players who then help them win trophies that ensures they remain dominant forces in world football. You would have to indict Tinubu of wrongdoing if, and only if, you can prove he had conclusive proof of how Buhari would unravel. Or whether BAT had prior knowledge Buhari, 100% guaranteed, would pursue a Fulani supremacist agenda yet still went ahead to support him to be President. Of course Tinubu, and even many Yoruba politicians, helped Buhari become President with the implication PMB would return the favour later. That is politics and you'd be dishonestly naive thinking it does not carry a '"one good turn deserve another" element worldwide. All successful leaders strategize and plan ahead and that is was Tinubu and the Yorubas did. I genuinely believe that Tinubu, even given previous reservations about Buhari, felt PMB would be a good democrat who would lead minimally well and progressively to then put the APC in good standing to win easily in 2023 thus benefitting his own private political ambition no one can fault him for desiring. 1 Like |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Penguin2: 12:24pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
obailala:Thank you! And the Obidient Movement has changed the politics of Nigeria forever. Personally I’m happy Obi stopped Atiku from succeeding. |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Penguin2: 12:25pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
DMerciful:Amen! 1 Like |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Nobody: 12:39pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
DMerciful: Lol. You're always emotional, clannish and myopic. Do you honestly think all the moves Tinubu is making now is Obi's level? Do you think if Obi had become President we would not have a Northern Conservative and 'business as usual' Senate President who would then be a 'gatekeeper' against all reformational bills that may move Nigeria forward drastically that vested interest would surely want to kill? Looking at how well Yari even did against Akpabio, tell me with precise example how Obi, a follower at political Party level his entire life, would have landed a Southern Senate President, and prevented 8 wasted years for Nigeria and the South, when Tinubu who creates leaders and political platforms just about got Akpabio over the line. You guys should grow up abeg. Stop being slaves, year in and year out, to sentiments and emotions merely because you have been brainwashed never to support or give props to non-Igbos. https://punchng.com/only-tinubu-can-break-cabal-holding-nigeria-down-ex-nupeng-scribe-kokori/?amp 1 Like
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Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by aswani(m): 12:53pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Penguin2: And If it isn't? What has Atiku or Obi taking over IF Tinubu is disqualified got to do with me being happy we have a third force in Naija politics? Did you even mean to respond to my post or someone else's? |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Nobody: 1:09pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Penguin2: We may disagree but ideas and reforms that will outlast us and continue to work for generations unborn is the koko of the matter. It gives hope we may get it right even if not for us, but for our offsprings and theirs. The bigger picture, whether intentional or by divine intervention, is that Obi left PDP to Labour. I have accused him of being a coward for that move but Buhari's 8 year rule , with all that is being revealed today, was a huge disaster and lesson in how a nation with great potential can sabotage and regress herself. If obi contested the PDP primaries and lost then Atiku will be President and that would be a disaster. A Northerner replacing Buhari would have finished Nigeria off. I sincerely believe this and I think Atiku is the worst because in no civilised clime, with a sophisticated electorate, will even 10 citizens consider voting a man who lives outside the nation he wants to lead at all times but during general elections. You'd not believe in living with a people, especially when they are troubled and needing solutions like the covid 19 lock down period, yet you insist you are best to lead them. Nigeria is still a crude joke. |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by DMerciful(m): 1:13pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
You can't build something on nothing. Tinubu did not win the election. Anything after that is nothing! Grayoso: |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by basseeafricana: 1:28pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Parachoco:As Obidients and Obi himself hate everything about Tinubu, I as one of Tinubu's supporters also hate them with passion. But to be frank, I like the analysis of the writer and I appreciate Obi and Obidients for not allowing Atiku wins. Atiku's winning might be too detrimental to the southern Nigeria. We fought Obidients because of their aggressivenes, only option from beginning is Tinubu or Obi to me. But Obidients brought hates to the show which made us fought back. A sane person must agree that it must be Obi or Tinubu to start with. |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Nobody: 1:56pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
DMerciful: How did Obi or Atiku win? It is impossible for Obi to ever gain the 25% spread in the minimum number of State required to claim victory. Stop working yourself up because you're desperate for the victory of your kinsman. Those you are ethnically and sectionally affiliated with, regardless of what you have been brainwashed to believe, are not the only ones capable of "rescuing" or "developing" Nigeria as you like claiming. |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Parachoco: 2:17pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
basseeafricana:Don't be fooled Penguin2 first choice was Obi, his second choice was Atiku Absolute Majority Of Obi supporters do not want Asiwaju to win You saw their reaction after he won 1 Like |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Cromagnon: 2:51pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
kettykin: APC did not find power by accident. They worked hard for it. Power is not found. If PDP and military and oyinbo could not finish Nigeria. Nobody can We go dey alright prove it 1 Like |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Penguin2: 4:07pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Grayoso:You are very right about the bolded. But unfortunately a lot of people on your political divide are too emotional, irrational, shortsighted and tribalistic to think in same light with you on that. The fact that the best thing that will happen to Nigeria is a marriage of the entire 3 regions of the south which would see them always present a united front at elections and other issues in the Nigerian political space and you will see the north on her knees forever. But if there’s one politician who is to blame for making that marriage is not working, it is your Tinubu who, together with his supporters, only campaigns with things that divide the south rather than things that unite. And months after the election, Tinubu’s supporters are still reinforcing hatred without restraints or cautioning from anyone. What does that suggest? Again, it’s usually funny to me when I hear some of you call Obi a coward for refusing to join Atiku and Wike in dollar war at the PDP Primaries. Wait, you expected Obi to see out the PDP primaries which would have meant that he had to mobilize enough foreign currency to outspend both Atiku and Wike? How would that have made any different from those he’s seeking to replace? Osinbajo did this thing you are saying, how did it end for him? He was outspent and outmuscled by Tinubu, and now we may never have an Osinbajo presidency (what a loss). Again, Wike also did it PDP. He thought he had arrived, and was big enough to fight Atiku for the PDP ticket. How did it end for him? He almost ran mad; and still hasn’t recovered. I used to think you guys say these things just to see what to mock Obi with but I’m seeing you have always been serious about it. But what I need you to understand is that the criminal ruling class deliberately hijacked the two parties of PDP and APC so they would always midwife the emergence of one of theirs from these parties. What Obi did was an anomaly and a pulling of the rug off their feet. Before they knew what was happening there was already a conflagration of support for Obi. They tried to put out the fire but it was already beyond them. That was why they ended up rigging the election childishly just to stop Obi. So, on what ground did you really blame Obi for not engaging in dollar contest with Atiku and Wike in PDP? |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Penguin2: 4:12pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
aswani:You are pretending like you are not a Tinubu man anymore? Or have you forgotten you said Obi won’t half of the votes he scored in the first ballot if elections are held again? Which is why I reminded you that from what is going on at the tribunal, Tinubu might not be eligible for a rerun if justice was to take its course in court. Now you are saying you don’t care. If you didn’t care, then why gloat over supposed Obi’s diminished popularity? |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Penguin2: 4:27pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Grayoso:No, no, no, no…. I disagree 100% with you in your claim that Tinubu didn’t know how Buhari would unravel in power. He knew, everyone with the remotest analytical skill knew. In fact, to say Tinubu didn’t know how Buhari would unravel in power would be a huge indictment of what you guys always tout as Tinubu’s selling point - the fact that he has eyes for talent. But asides Tinubu’s nack for identifying talent, there was a Buhari past history that is public knowledge which was not good at all to deserve him getting another opportunity at Nigeria’s leadership. Again, while campaigning for Nuhu Ribadu in 2011, Tinubu publicly criticized the character that Buhari is and said a lot of unprintable things about him (which were not lies anyways). Remember that Buhari was a candidate in that election but Tinubu ended up cutting a deal with Jonathan to support his election that year. So, you see that you can’t claim that Tinubu didn’t know that Buhari was a disaster waiting to happen to Nigeria. The only asset Buhari possessed which Tinubu found useful was his popularity in the north which you know is due to his perceived religious fundamentalism and not because of his capacity. So, Tinubu found his popularity useful and willingly subscribed Nigeria to the Buhari's 8 years of disaster simply because it served his (Tinubu) expediency. So, please, don’t say Tinubu didn’t know who Buhari would be in power. That’s sooooooooo wrong. It was a deliberate act. |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by aswani(m): 4:32pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Penguin2: Penguin2, I was never a President Tinubu man (neither am I an Atiku or Obi man for that matter), they are all part of the same recycled political class. I said Obi would score less votes and I gave my reasons which I am still convinced are valid. Feel free to discuss why you have a different opinion to mine. I didn't gloat over it, in fact, I decried it because it would force us the electorate back from into a PDP and APC joint chokehold. If Peter Obi can somehow put on his big boy pants and disentangle himself from Obidients, I personally feel he will eventually rule this our great country one day. |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Kukutenla: 4:54pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Grayoso: Fa fa fa foul!! You and who tolerated Buhari? Speak for yourself and your ilks abeg. When reasonable people were speaking up against Buhari, did you not call them wailing wailers, children of hate etc? The question you should answer yourself is what is the cost of gaining power and is it worth it? You knowingly support a failure for eight years because you believe he can get you the pie and now you're repudiating everything he stood for. Hello!! Tinubu has not visited any southern President since he took office but he went to London to meet with Buhari. That's the man on whose behalf you are building castles in the air with claims that a Buhari should never emerge again. If you don't want a Buhari again, then you shouldn't play a Tinubu kind of politics. It's that simple!! You can't plant mangoes and harvest oranges |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by DMerciful(m): 4:57pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
We're talking for the actual election results to be determined by the court since INEC has failed, you're still speculating as if the election has not happened Grayoso: |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Kukutenla: 5:04pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Penguin2 Where are you going self? You are confusing me. Are you trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat or you're trying to "build" the much talked about bridges? I hope you get what you want but i hope you're aware of the triumphalism on display presently. The Northern hawks and their south western collaborators feel they have the perfect formula for power now. It's like a communal drinking gourd being passed around but must never be allowed to get to the hands of scarface. You're too late to the party. The truth is, if you want to build bridges as is usually being said, you have to break the present barrier which a northerner on fp describes as the North-SouthWest alliance. 2039 is a long time and that's the earliest any "if you can't beat them, join them" posturing from your people can fetch you. Maybe you are afraid of the demands of playing opposition. If so, I can only pity the country as a whole because totalitarianism is the result of that. On the other hand, I don't get your claim though. It can be said, if we are doing turn-by-turn, that Tinubu is using the turn of SE. The term south does not really exist as has been proven since 2015. Igbo and Yoruba cannot agree on anything and they are not even pretending to want to. APC is a party built to prey on divisions and not to unite the country. So i hope you are writing this piece as a form of self-consolation rather than conciliation because you are very far from the latter than you can ever be. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Penguin2: 5:39pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
aswani:Trust me when I tell you that Obi has not lost a single vote since the election. Or can you tell me any supporter of his that u used to know that has switched sides either on social media or outside the social media? |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Penguin2: 5:47pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Kukutenla:Well, I’m not trying to be a Boethius who took solace in Consolation Philosophy in the midst of adversity. I’d say I’m just looking out for southern Nigeria and I want the northern stranglehold on a lot of things in this country disentangled. About the north and southwest having found a winning strategy or alliance…. Well goodluck to them with that. But that’s what I tried to address in this piece - that had Obi not decamped from PDP, that their useless alliance would have been defeated. And I would really like to see Tinubu grandstanding or misbehaving because he feels he has a northern and southwestern alliance. If SE/SS aligns with the north in 2027, that’s game over for him. |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by aswani(m): 6:07pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Penguin2: OK, believe your truth, I believe mine. |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by striker07(m): 6:14pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Penguin2:the election wasn't 100 percent perfect but it's still one of our best elections, only obidients'think otherwise especially the Igbos among them,most especially, they are fond of laying claim without logic or any proof. That's a sign of low intelligence if you ask me. 1 Like |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by QuotaSystem: 6:21pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Penguin2: The Northern leadership in the interest of national unity, already had a consensus for power rotation to the south, which aligned with the in-house gentleman’s understanding between the northern and SW blocs in the APC on rotation, and made the emergence of PBAT smooth and seamless with minimal resistance from the North. Don’t forget Gov. Badaru also sacrificed his ambition for Tinubu. If the North was bent on retaining the Presidency, we would have easily supported Atiku and he would have won effortlessly. Penguin2: If Obi had not been in the race, it would have made absolutely no difference because Obi/SE would still not have won which is the crux of the matter. It has been done ONCE, TWICE and THRICE by both a northerner and southerner so I don’t know what you’re on about. Any Presidential candidate can win a presidential election without S/East votes and that is an empirical fact Penguin2: Obi was a tactless IPOB apologist and that automatically disqualified him from any Northern support, hegemony or not. If you call that disruptive then you’re absolutely right. Nobody rigged the election for Tinubu no matter how much you keep consoling yourself with such fallacy. Arewa deliberately supported and voted for Asiwaju because he was the best candidate by far, which Is why it is certain that even if the election is conducted 200 times, Obi would still lose woefully. Penguin2: It is your deeply rooted inferiority complex and selective memory that makes you think the North has exclusive preserve of any position. It’s now a southern Presidency and it is expected that positions would be rotated, just like was done under GEJ when the East was still relevant and occupied top cabinet positions. Regardless, the North is the currently the most represented in Tinubu’s government and occupy the office of the VP, Speaker, NSA, Service Chiefs and important Presidential Aides and is on track to dominate the coming ministerial list, despite it being a southern Presidency so I wonder what’s “being taken from its mouth” if not that you’re looking for a lamentation partner to massage your current political reality ….Misery loves company. You should be more worried about being sidelined, ignored, bypassed and irrelevant under a southern Presidency without any prospect of political relevance until 2039. 1 Like |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Efewestern: 6:34pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Penguin2 don't let that man convince you that they wanted a power shift. We saw the voting patterns and how they suddenly found their brother attractive despite voting against him in previous elections. I only pity them because they are currently being weakened and there isn't any region they can manipulate. NC alliances is now split between Southern regions. SW won't bend, SE is no go area and SS is waking up. The only good thing about this election was that arrogance and supremacist ideologies were cured. After now, nobody will try that nonsense of wanting to hold onto power in a diverse nation like Nigeria. |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Dotherightthing: 6:36pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Frigga13: You sound like a pained abokki Everybody knows Peter Obi worked for Tinubu's emergence directly or indirectly. You northerners were shell-shocked to see SE and SS vote overwhelmingly for Peter Obi thereby wasting away Atiku's chances. The core north had split their vote between Tinubu and Atiku expecting the SS and SE to come through for Atiku so that Tinubu would not be able to accuse them of betrayal The strategy failed |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Dotherightthing: 6:51pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Parachoco: The FACT is that had Obi not contested, Atiku would have won easily before the sunset on February 25. So we need to appreciate the obidients for supporting and voting Obi rather than Atiku. I believe the online rivalries between Tinubu supporters and obidients was to give obidients the feeling that Peter Obi really stood a chance of winning so that they will not diss him for Atiku at the last minute. Aside obidients, most of us knew Obi could NOT win. But had he stepped down for Atiku, Atiku would have won easily... |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Penguin2: 7:20pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
striker07:Just yesterday, European Union Election Observation Mission presented their final report on the 2023 elections and scored the election low for lacking transparency and voter intimidation. Is the European Union Igbo Obidients too?
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Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Penguin2: 7:22pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Dotherightthing:If you people believed Obi didn’t stand a chance, why did INEC upload Senatorial and House of Rep elections and failed to upload the presidential election which would have ensured transparency and eliminated manipulation of votes? Why? |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Penguin2: 7:28pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Efewestern: Lol! Do I seem to you like the kind of person that his rhetorics and rationalization will deceive? Lol! He keeps talking about the North supporting power shift to the south as if they had a choice. They should have given the ticket to Ahmed Lawan and try their luck if APC wouldn’t have lost the election scandalously. |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by Penguin2: 7:38pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
QuotaSystem:Sorry, if you people believe in yourself so much, you would have dared present Ahmed Lawan and know if APC wouldn’t have lost scandalously. The problem you people have with Atiku is because he’s neither an ethnic jingoist nor a religious fundamentalist like Buhari or the Muslim Muslim ticket that Tinubu used to deceive you people. Accept that Tinubu deceived you guys with Muslim Muslim ticket and you people fell for it. And talking about Vice President Kashim Shettima…. Maybe I need to teach you a little history that Shettima is Kanuri, and the Kanuri are more vicious against Fulani hegemonists than even southerners. Need I remind you that the Kanuri defeated Usman Dan Fodio and halted his Jihad into Maiduguri and the Lake Chad Basin. So, you would be deceiving yourself to think that Shettima will serve the interest of ethnic jingoists and hegemonists. |
Re: Was Peter Obi Wrong To Have Contested The 2023 Presidential Election? by QuotaSystem: 8:04pm On Jun 28, 2023 |
Penguin2: Fortunately unlike easterners, northerners are not emotional, impulsive politicians that would support a weak candidate just to make a needless point. Why would we support a politician that can barely govern his constituency? Why would we tactlessly and unstrategically disturb the delicate North-South power rotation like GEJ did and jeopardize/destroy our political future? Again, we are not tactless easterners. We wanted power to rotate to the South for the sake of one Nigeria and that stubborn fact wouldn’t change if you struck your head ceaselessly against a sharp rock Penguin2: Yes and that’s why the North is enjoying the best representation under his government and haven’t uttered a whimper of dissatisfaction 🤡 Penguin2: Lol Shinedu wants to teach me Northern history. What do you know about Arewa? Lmao. Have you EVER heard anyone from Kano, Katsina, Sokoto, Kebbi, Zamfara, Kaduna, Niger, Bauchi, Gombe, Nasarawa or Adamawa protest the choice of Shetimma? That is because, while such ethnic differences could be played up by desperate elements in governorship and other local political contests, there is complete cultural and political unity of purpose among far Northerners in national politics Not just Hausa, Fulani and Kanuri, which are the biggest groups. You can add the Nupe and a hundred other Northern ethnic groups in this united view of national politics. Furthermore, they are all subjects of, and pay allegiance to the Sultan of Sokoto. Let me further enlighten you that thirty short years ago, the Abiola/Kingibe ticket recorded resounding political success in Hausa/Fulani heartland, including a big win in its heart of hearts, Kano. Ambassador Babagana Kingibe, like Kashim Shettima, is ethnic Kanuri while Asiwaju Tinubu, like M.K.O. Abiola, is ethnic Yoruba. No one in the North protested Kingibe’s appearance on the ticket then; no one is protesting Shettima’s place on the APC ticket now, certainly not on ethnic grounds. Up until 2019, Shettima was in fact Chairman of the Northern States Governors Forum, and he did a swell job of it. P.S Mind you if Fulani is really your problem, then you have a major headache loading . Remember the powers of Shetimma as VP are actually less than someone like the NSA, a position held by Fulani Ribadu Suck on that 6 Likes 3 Shares |
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