ajailer:
See the OP trying to change the narrative as if say we dey suffer from short memory. We will never forget that the easterners wanted Obi of LP and if he can’t win, they will be fine with Atiku winning as long as it’s not BAT. Now see as he dey change the narrative wey never reach one year say If Obi no win then they will be happy with BAT. They were operating from a tribal sentiment and that a northerner handing over to another northerner was never a concern to them. In fact, it was the batist that were concerned about this.

May God bless you for speaking the truth

Penguin2:

Great submission but you couldn’t help but betray the fact that you are a Tinubu man.

Till eternity, Tinubu will continue to take blame for Buhari disaster.

Buhari had already retired to Daura when Tinubu went and excavated him and used media to dress him up as a refined democrat and other crap.

And considering the characters behind Buhari and how bloodthirsty they were, they imported mercenaries to cause mayhem should Buhari lose which was why GEJ caved in. The resultant effect was a Buhari disaster.

And you say we should stop blaming Tinubu?

Someone causes you to be imprisoned for 8 years and when you are finally out, you will say, “there’s no need blaming him”, really?

Yes I am a Tinubu supporter but I have never said he played no part in Buhari becoming President. I only insist Tinubu cannot ever, by any fair person, be blamed for Buhari's action in office.

Tinubu is a politician so his permanent political interest comes with the terrain always. The merger of APC he masterminded is an indication of this. I.e a movement to oust PDP and sieze power for ambitious politicians who wanted the chance to lead the centre by deposing the ruling Party.

Barcelona, Man City, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and co would not dominate world football if they stop paying the most money others cannot pay to buy the best players who then help them win trophies that ensures they remain dominant forces in world football.

You would have to indict Tinubu of wrongdoing if, and only if, you can prove he had conclusive proof of how Buhari would unravel.

Or whether BAT had prior knowledge Buhari, 100% guaranteed, would pursue a Fulani supremacist agenda yet still went ahead to support him to be President.

Of course Tinubu, and even many Yoruba politicians, helped Buhari become President with the implication PMB would return the favour later.

That is politics and you'd be dishonestly naive thinking it does not carry a '"one good turn deserve another" element worldwide. All successful leaders strategize and plan ahead and that is was Tinubu and the Yorubas did.

I genuinely believe that Tinubu, even given previous reservations about Buhari, felt PMB would be a good democrat who would lead minimally well and progressively to then put the APC in good standing to win easily in 2023 thus benefitting his own private political ambition no one can fault him for desiring.

obailala:
If Atiku was a reasonable candidate, then the logic being shared on this page would have been sensible.

For everyone saying "OBI's decision to contest lost ATIKU the presidency", what exactly would OBI or the Obidients who simply want good governance have gained from an ATIKU presidency?... a useless vice presidency which we all know is as useless as a councillorship position?...

The other day some unfortunate fellow claimed "OBI at least would have gotten contracts" had Atiku won and I was beyond disgusted; apparently these cretins think OBI and the Obidients were in the contest for contracts and money.

At the end, the folks spreading this silly narrative that OBI made a mistake contesting are either hungry disgruntled PDP/Atiku minions, or just foolish Tinubu supporters who want to mock Obidients (cos I dont see how it concerns the BATists that Atiku lost the election). In both cases, these group of people appear to be too dumb to realise the essence of the Obidient movement which was just a call for good and responsible governance.

Thank you!

And the Obidient Movement has changed the politics of Nigeria forever.

Personally I’m happy Obi stopped Atiku from succeeding.

DMerciful:
Obi won the election hands down and his mandate will be retrieved

Amen!

DMerciful:
Obi won the election hands down and his mandate will be retrieved

Lol. You're always emotional, clannish and myopic. Do you honestly think all the moves Tinubu is making now is Obi's level?

Do you think if Obi had become President we would not have a Northern Conservative and 'business as usual' Senate President who would then be a 'gatekeeper' against all reformational bills that may move Nigeria forward drastically that vested interest would surely want to kill?

Looking at how well Yari even did against Akpabio, tell me with precise example how Obi, a follower at political Party level his entire life, would have landed a Southern Senate President, and prevented 8 wasted years for Nigeria and the South, when Tinubu who creates leaders and political platforms just about got Akpabio over the line.

You guys should grow up abeg. Stop being slaves, year in and year out, to sentiments and emotions merely because you have been brainwashed never to support or give props to non-Igbos.

https://punchng.com/only-tinubu-can-break-cabal-holding-nigeria-down-ex-nupeng-scribe-kokori/?amp

Penguin2:

Breaking News: if the election is nullified, Tinubu would equally be disqualified which means that you would be left with either Atiku or Obi.

Thanks!

And If it isn't?

What has Atiku or Obi taking over IF Tinubu is disqualified got to do with me being happy we have a third force in Naija politics?

Did you even mean to respond to my post or someone else's?

Penguin2:

I know you are a Tinubu man but thanks for getting my point.

Had the north succeeded in 2023, they would have seen different regions of the south as useful idiots and take turns to align with any region they choose at different point in time to retain power.

That’s a pattern that Obi stopped from even kickstarting. But some of your fellow Tinubu supporters that are shallow minded are too myopic to see and admit this.

We may disagree but ideas and reforms that will outlast us and continue to work for generations unborn is the koko of the matter. It gives hope we may get it right even if not for us, but for our offsprings and theirs.

The bigger picture, whether intentional or by divine intervention, is that Obi left PDP to Labour. I have accused him of being a coward for that move but Buhari's 8 year rule , with all that is being revealed today, was a huge disaster and lesson in how a nation with great potential can sabotage and regress herself.

If obi contested the PDP primaries and lost then Atiku will be President and that would be a disaster.

A Northerner replacing Buhari would have finished Nigeria off. I sincerely believe this and I think Atiku is the worst because in no civilised clime, with a sophisticated electorate, will even 10 citizens consider voting a man who lives outside the nation he wants to lead at all times but during general elections.

You'd not believe in living with a people, especially when they are troubled and needing solutions like the covid 19 lock down period, yet you insist you are best to lead them. Nigeria is still a crude joke.

You can't build something on nothing. Tinubu did not win the election. Anything after that is nothing!

Grayoso:


Lol. You're always emotional, clannish and myopic. Do you honestly think all the moves Tinubu is making now is Obi's level?

Do you think if Obi had become President we would not have a Northern Conservative and 'business as usual' Senate President who would then be a 'gatekeeper' against all reformational bills that may move Nigeria forward drastically that vested interest would surely want to kill?

Looking at how well Yari even did against Akpabio, tell me with precise example how Obi, a follower at political Party level his entire life, would have landed a Southern Senate President, and prevented 8 wasted years for Nigeria and the South, when Tinubu who creates leaders and political platforms just about got Akpabio over the line.

You guys should grow up abeg. Stop being slaves, year in and year out, to sentiments and emotions merely because you have been brainwashed never to support or give props to non-Igbos.

https://punchng.com/only-tinubu-can-break-cabal-holding-nigeria-down-ex-nupeng-scribe-kokori/?amp

Parachoco:
The most important thing is that

Asiwaju is the President

And he will rule The Federal Republic Of Nigeria till 2031 when he will handover to a Northerner who will be an APC member

Pandora and his Fulani Master will never become the President Of Nigeria

As Obidients and Obi himself hate everything about Tinubu, I as one of Tinubu's supporters also hate them with passion. But to be frank, I like the analysis of the writer and I appreciate Obi and Obidients for not allowing Atiku wins. Atiku's winning might be too detrimental to the southern Nigeria. We fought Obidients because of their aggressivenes, only option from beginning is Tinubu or Obi to me. But Obidients brought hates to the show which made us fought back. A sane person must agree that it must be Obi or Tinubu to start with.

DMerciful:
You can't build something on nothing. Tinubu did not win the election. Anything after that is nothing!

How did Obi or Atiku win? It is impossible for Obi to ever gain the 25% spread in the minimum number of State required to claim victory.

Stop working yourself up because you're desperate for the victory of your kinsman.

Those you are ethnically and sectionally affiliated with, regardless of what you have been brainwashed to believe, are not the only ones capable of "rescuing" or "developing" Nigeria as you like claiming.

basseeafricana:

As Obidients and Obi himself hate everything about Tinubu, I as one of Tinubu's supporters also hate them with passion. But to be frank, I like the analysis of the writer and I appreciate Obi and Obidients for not allowing Atiku wins. Atiku's winning might be too detrimental to the southern Nigeria. We fought Obidients because of their aggressivenes, only option from beginning is Tinubu or Obi to me. But Obidients brought hates to the show which made us fought back. A sane person must agree that it must be Obi or Tinubu to start with.

Don't be fooled

Penguin2 first choice was Obi, his second choice was Atiku

Absolute Majority Of Obi supporters do not want Asiwaju to win

You saw their reaction after he won

kettykin:
The problem is not obi but a satanic, cursed, demonic political party that found itself in Power by accident and is on its way to finishing Nigeria.

APC did not find power by accident. They worked hard for it. Power is not found.
If PDP and military and oyinbo could not finish Nigeria. Nobody can
We go dey alright

How can we explain an impostor, personifier, kleptomaniac, murderer, drug pusher,thief being sworn in as the president of Nigeria

prove it

Grayoso:


We may disagree but ideas and reforms that will outlast us and continue to work for generations unborn is the koko of the matter. It gives hope we may get it right even if not for us, but for our offsprings and theirs.

The bigger picture, whether intentional or by divine intervention, is that Obi left PDP to Labour. I have accused him of being a coward for that move but Buhari's 8 year rule , with all that is being revealed today, was a huge disaster and lesson in how a nation with great potential can sabotage and regress herself.

If obi contested the PDP primaries and lost then Atiku will be President and that would be a disaster.

A Northerner replacing Buhari would have finished Nigeria off. I sincerely believe this and I think Atiku is the worst because in no civilised clime, with a sophisticated electorate, will even 10 citizens consider voting a man who lives outside the nation he wants to lead at all times but during general elections.

You'd not believe in living with a people, especially when they are troubled and needing solutions like the covid 19 lock down period, yet you insist you are best to lead them. Nigeria is still a crude joke.

You are very right about the bolded. But unfortunately a lot of people on your political divide are too emotional, irrational, shortsighted and tribalistic to think in same light with you on that. The fact that the best thing that will happen to Nigeria is a marriage of the entire 3 regions of the south which would see them always present a united front at elections and other issues in the Nigerian political space and you will see the north on her knees forever. But if there’s one politician who is to blame for making that marriage is not working, it is your Tinubu who, together with his supporters, only campaigns with things that divide the south rather than things that unite. And months after the election, Tinubu’s supporters are still reinforcing hatred without restraints or cautioning from anyone. What does that suggest?


Again, it’s usually funny to me when I hear some of you call Obi a coward for refusing to join Atiku and Wike in dollar war at the PDP Primaries. Wait, you expected Obi to see out the PDP primaries which would have meant that he had to mobilize enough foreign currency to outspend both Atiku and Wike? How would that have made any different from those he’s seeking to replace?

Osinbajo did this thing you are saying, how did it end for him? He was outspent and outmuscled by Tinubu, and now we may never have an Osinbajo presidency (what a loss).

Again, Wike also did it PDP. He thought he had arrived, and was big enough to fight Atiku for the PDP ticket. How did it end for him? He almost ran mad; and still hasn’t recovered.

I used to think you guys say these things just to see what to mock Obi with but I’m seeing you have always been serious about it. But what I need you to understand is that the criminal ruling class deliberately hijacked the two parties of PDP and APC so they would always midwife the emergence of one of theirs from these parties.

What Obi did was an anomaly and a pulling of the rug off their feet. Before they knew what was happening there was already a conflagration of support for Obi. They tried to put out the fire but it was already beyond them. That was why they ended up rigging the election childishly just to stop Obi.

So, on what ground did you really blame Obi for not engaging in dollar contest with Atiku and Wike in PDP?

aswani:


And If it isn't?

What has Atiku or Obi taking over IF Tinubu is disqualified got to do with me being happy we have a third force in Naija politics?

Did you even mean to respond to my post or someone else's?

You are pretending like you are not a Tinubu man anymore?

Or have you forgotten you said Obi won’t half of the votes he scored in the first ballot if elections are held again? Which is why I reminded you that from what is going on at the tribunal, Tinubu might not be eligible for a rerun if justice was to take its course in court.

Now you are saying you don’t care. If you didn’t care, then why gloat over supposed Obi’s diminished popularity?

Grayoso:


Yes I am a Tinubu supporter but I have never said he played no part in Buhari becoming President. I only insist Tinubu cannot ever, by any fair person, be blamed for Buhari's action in office.

Tinubu is a politician so his permanent political interest comes with the terrain always. The merger of APC he masterminded is an indication of this. I.e a movement to oust PDP and sieze power for ambitious politicians who wanted the chance to lead the centre by deposing the ruling Party.

Barcelona, Man City, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich and co would not dominate world football if they stop paying the most money others cannot pay to buy the best players who then help them win trophies that ensures they remain dominant forces in world football.

You would have to indict Tinubu of wrongdoing if, and only if, you can prove he had conclusive proof of how Buhari would unravel.

Or whether BAT had prior knowledge Buhari, 100% guaranteed, would pursue a Fulani supremacist agenda yet still went ahead to support him to be President.

Of course Tinubu, and even many Yoruba politicians, helped Buhari become President with the implication PMB would return the favour later.

That is politics and you'd be dishonestly naive thinking it does not carry a '"one good turn deserve another" element worldwide. All successful leaders strategize and plan ahead and that is was Tinubu and the Yorubas did.

I genuinely believe that Tinubu, even given previous reservations about Buhari, felt PMB would be a good democrat who would lead minimally well and progressively to then put the APC in good standing to win easily in 2023 thus benefitting his own private political ambition no one can fault him for desiring.

No, no, no, no…. I disagree 100% with you in your claim that Tinubu didn’t know how Buhari would unravel in power. He knew, everyone with the remotest analytical skill knew.

In fact, to say Tinubu didn’t know how Buhari would unravel in power would be a huge indictment of what you guys always tout as Tinubu’s selling point - the fact that he has eyes for talent.

But asides Tinubu’s nack for identifying talent, there was a Buhari past history that is public knowledge which was not good at all to deserve him getting another opportunity at Nigeria’s leadership.

Again, while campaigning for Nuhu Ribadu in 2011, Tinubu publicly criticized the character that Buhari is and said a lot of unprintable things about him (which were not lies anyways). Remember that Buhari was a candidate in that election but Tinubu ended up cutting a deal with Jonathan to support his election that year.

So, you see that you can’t claim that Tinubu didn’t know that Buhari was a disaster waiting to happen to Nigeria. The only asset Buhari possessed which Tinubu found useful was his popularity in the north which you know is due to his perceived religious fundamentalism and not because of his capacity. So, Tinubu found his popularity useful and willingly subscribed Nigeria to the Buhari's 8 years of disaster simply because it served his (Tinubu) expediency.

So, please, don’t say Tinubu didn’t know who Buhari would be in power. That’s sooooooooo wrong. It was a deliberate act.

Penguin2:

You are pretending like you are not a Tinubu man anymore?

Or have you forgotten you said Obi won’t half of the votes he scored in the first ballot if elections are held again? Which is why I reminded you that from what is going on at the tribunal, Tinubu might not be eligible for a rerun if justice was to take its course in court.

Now you are saying you don’t care. If you didn’t care, then why gloat over supposed Obi’s diminished popularity?

Penguin2, I was never a President Tinubu man (neither am I an Atiku or Obi man for that matter), they are all part of the same recycled political class.

I said Obi would score less votes and I gave my reasons which I am still convinced are valid. Feel free to discuss why you have a different opinion to mine.

I didn't gloat over it, in fact, I decried it because it would force us the electorate back from into a PDP and APC joint chokehold.

If Peter Obi can somehow put on his big boy pants and disentangle himself from Obidients, I personally feel he will eventually rule this our great country one day.

Grayoso:


Nice post plus objective and fair observations. Love your conclusion as well. The part in bold, in your post, is very important to me personally.

This ia because, as I have always argued, Nigeria needs to evolve urgently like the West so that a powerfully responsible governance system is in place no one can hijack partisanly and as dangerously unchecked as Buhari did.

We could have experienced free-for-all Rwanda-style genocide with how Buhari was leading if not that Nigeria is the biggest black nation on Earth that would mean world intervention would be swift to prevent refugee crisis, humanitarian strife, proliferation of diseases etc.

I personally think there should be more anger against what Buhari and his cabal did, and more determination against a future repeat of it, than the singular focus of many Nigerians to dwell on who "brought Buhari" or supported him to power.

We now must charge Tinubu to deliver robust legislative laws, appropriate contitutional amendments, greater state and regional autonomy and strong institutional autonomy, plus legally-enforceable checks and balances, that will mean a Buhari will never happen to us again.

Buhari owed many Fulanis, who did not know better, Awolowo-type 'teach a man to fish' leadership.

Instead he chose to provide protection for deficiencies any wise leader would know he must eradicate from his people as Awolowo determined to provide free and quality education as a way to elevate and emancipate Yorubas forever.

Nigeria should heal and no one, from any ethnic group , should be prevented from being Presidenf in future.

The focus should be on working to deliver strong reforms that must mean a Hitler-type bigot, if he somehow fools enough Nigerians to get the vote to become President, cannot partisanly destroy the security, socio-economic wellbeing and even monetary integrity of Nigeria in pursuit of an ethnocentric or sectional agenda.

No UK Prime Minister today can tacitly, using the police and army, empower caucasians to run through minority-dominated areas killing, raping, pllillaging and maiming folks there.

That PM would not last even an hour in office. Yer Buhari did it for years and the entire Nigeria kept slient, tolerated it and even accepted it as a way of life.

That is what we have to change so we can become like Nations with strong laws and institutions. I would consider Tinubu failed if he does not deliver this.

ObJ, Yar Adua, GEJ ans Buhari have their fans and praise-singers for some good they did but the only President Nigerians can/should praise as successful would be one who evolutionarily reforms Nigeria so, for example, savagery and brutality are a thing of the past because State/regional policing exist rather than leaders (OBJ and GEJ) who will declare "Nigeria not ripe for State policiing" or those (like Buhari) who will not even indulge the idea let alone be open to discussing it.

Fa fa fa foul!! You and who tolerated Buhari? Speak for yourself and your ilks abeg. When reasonable people were speaking up against Buhari, did you not call them wailing wailers, children of hate etc?

The question you should answer yourself is what is the cost of gaining power and is it worth it?

You knowingly support a failure for eight years because you believe he can get you the pie and now you're repudiating everything he stood for. Hello!! Tinubu has not visited any southern President since he took office but he went to London to meet with Buhari. That's the man on whose behalf you are building castles in the air with claims that a Buhari should never emerge again.

If you don't want a Buhari again, then you shouldn't play a Tinubu kind of politics. It's that simple!! You can't plant mangoes and harvest oranges

We're talking for the actual election results to be determined by the court since INEC has failed, you're still speculating as if the election has not happened

Grayoso:


How did Obi or Atiku win? It is impossible for Obi to ever gain the 25% spread in the minimum number of State required to claim victory.

Stop working yourself up because you're desperate for the victory of your kinsman.

Those you are ethnically and sectionally affiliated with, regardless of what you have been brainwashed to believe, are not the only ones capable of "rescuing" or "developing" Nigeria as you like claiming.

Penguin2

Where are you going self? You are confusing me. Are you trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat or you're trying to "build" the much talked about bridges?

I hope you get what you want but i hope you're aware of the triumphalism on display presently. The Northern hawks and their south western collaborators feel they have the perfect formula for power now. It's like a communal drinking gourd being passed around but must never be allowed to get to the hands of scarface. You're too late to the party. The truth is, if you want to build bridges as is usually being said, you have to break the present barrier which a northerner on fp describes as the North-SouthWest alliance. 2039 is a long time and that's the earliest any "if you can't beat them, join them" posturing from your people can fetch you.

Maybe you are afraid of the demands of playing opposition. If so, I can only pity the country as a whole because totalitarianism is the result of that. On the other hand, I don't get your claim though. It can be said, if we are doing turn-by-turn, that Tinubu is using the turn of SE. The term south does not really exist as has been proven since 2015. Igbo and Yoruba cannot agree on anything and they are not even pretending to want to. APC is a party built to prey on divisions and not to unite the country.

So i hope you are writing this piece as a form of self-consolation rather than conciliation because you are very far from the latter than you can ever be.

aswani:


Penguin2, I was never a President Tinubu man (neither am I an Atiku or Obi man for that matter), they are all part of the same recycled political class.

I said Obi would score less votes and I gave my reasons which I am still convinced are valid. Feel free to discuss why you have a different opinion to mine.

I didn't gloat over it, in fact, I decried it because it would force us the electorate back from into a PDP and APC joint chokehold.

If Peter Obi can somehow put on his big boy pants and disentangle himself from Obidients, I personally feel he will eventually rule this our great country one day.

Trust me when I tell you that Obi has not lost a single vote since the election.

Or can you tell me any supporter of his that u used to know that has switched sides either on social media or outside the social media?

Kukutenla:
Penguin2

Where are you going self? You are confusing me. Are you trying to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat or you're trying to "build" the much talked about bridges?

I hope you get what you want but i hope you're aware of the triumphalism on display presently. The Northern hawks and their south western collaborators feel they have the perfect formula for power now. It's like a communal drinking gourd being passed around but must never be allowed to get to the hands of scarface. You're too late to the party. The truth is, if you want to build bridges as is usually being said, you have to break the present barrier which a northerner on fp describes as the North-SouthWest alliance. 2039 is a long time and that's the earliest any "if you can't beat them, join them" posturing from your people can fetch you.

Maybe you are afraid of the demands of playing opposition. If so, I can only pity the country as a whole because totalitarianism is the result of that. On the other hand, I don't get your claim though. It can be said, if we are doing turn-by-turn, that Tinubu is using the turn of SE. The term south does not really exist as has been proven since 2015. Igbo and Yoruba cannot agree on anything and they are not even pretending to want to. APC is a party built to prey on divisions and not to unite the country.

So i hope you are writing this piece as a form of self-consolation rather than conciliation because you are very far from the latter than you can ever be.

Well, I’m not trying to be a Boethius who took solace in Consolation Philosophy in the midst of adversity. I’d say I’m just looking out for southern Nigeria and I want the northern stranglehold on a lot of things in this country disentangled.

About the north and southwest having found a winning strategy or alliance…. Well goodluck to them with that.

But that’s what I tried to address in this piece - that had Obi not decamped from PDP, that their useless alliance would have been defeated. And I would really like to see Tinubu grandstanding or misbehaving because he feels he has a northern and southwestern alliance. If SE/SS aligns with the north in 2027, that’s game over for him.

Penguin2:

Trust me when I tell you that Obi has not lost a single vote since the election.

Or can you tell me any supporter of his that u used to know that has switched sides either on social media or outside the social media?

OK, believe your truth, I believe mine.

Penguin2:

You are very right about the bolded. But unfortunately a lot of people on your political divide are too emotional, irrational, shortsighted and tribalistic to think in same light with you on that. The fact that the best thing that will happen to Nigeria is a marriage of the entire 3 regions of the south which would see them always present a united front at elections and other issues in the Nigerian political space and you will see the north on her knees forever. But if there’s one politician who is to blame for making that marriage is not working, it is your Tinubu who, together with his supporters, only campaigns with things that divide the south rather than things that unite. And months after the election, Tinubu’s supporters are still reinforcing hatred without restraints or cautioning from anyone. What does that suggest?


Again, it’s usually funny to me when I hear some of you call Obi a coward for refusing to join Atiku and Wike in dollar war at the PDP Primaries. Wait, you expected Obi to see out the PDP primaries which would have meant that he had to mobilize enough foreign currency to outspend both Atiku and Wike? How would that have made any different from those he’s seeking to replace?

Osinbajo did this thing you are saying, how did it end for him? He was outspent and outmuscled by Tinubu, and now we may never have an Osinbajo presidency (what a loss).

Again, Wike also did it PDP. He thought he had arrived, and was big enough to fight Atiku for the PDP ticket. How did it end for him? He almost ran mad; and still hasn’t recovered.

I used to think you guys say these things just to see what to mock Obi with but I’m seeing you have always been serious about it. But what I need you to understand is that the criminal ruling class deliberately hijacked the two parties of PDP and APC so they would always midwife the emergence of one of theirs from these parties.

What Obi did was an anomaly and a pulling of the rug off their feet. Before they knew what was happening there was already a conflagration of support for Obi. They tried to put out the fire but it was already beyond them. That was why they ended up rigging the election childishly just to stop Obi.

So, on what ground did you really blame Obi for not engaging in dollar contest with Atiku and Wike in PDP?

the election wasn't 100 percent perfect but it's still one of our best elections, only obidients'think otherwise especially the Igbos among them,most especially, they are fond of laying claim without logic or any proof. That's a sign of low intelligence if you ask me.

Penguin2:


First, APC had no choice but to concede its ticket to the south. Had Ahmed Lawan gotten it, who would have voted for him? He would have gotten votes in the Northeast and Northwest and then where else? Would Southwest have voted for Lawan? Would Kwara or Kogi have voted for Lawan? Don’t try to claim glory of APC zoning ticket to South; the party had no choice. Anything contrary would have been suicide.

The Northern leadership in the interest of national unity, already had a consensus for power rotation to the south, which aligned with the in-house gentleman’s understanding between the northern and SW blocs in the APC on rotation, and made the emergence of PBAT smooth and seamless with minimal resistance from the North. Don’t forget Gov. Badaru also sacrificed his ambition for Tinubu.

If the North was bent on retaining the Presidency, we would have easily supported Atiku and he would have won effortlessly.

Penguin2:
And funny you, and your ilk, to think that you can win Nigerian presidency without Southeast. Goodluck to you, and those you would advise, with that. But I’ll leave you by telling you to add Atiku and Obi’s votes together and know what the result would have been had Obi not been in the race.

If Obi had not been in the race, it would have made absolutely no difference because Obi/SE would still not have won which is the crux of the matter.

It has been done ONCE, TWICE and THRICE by both a northerner and southerner so I don’t know what you’re on about. Any Presidential candidate can win a presidential election without S/East votes and that is an empirical fact

Penguin2:
What you are doing is just lamentations. Northern hegemonists felt Obi was too disruptive to be allowed to win the election and that’s why they chose to rig the election for Tinubu, only for Tinubu to turn out being more disruptive than Obi ever promised.

Obi was a tactless IPOB apologist and that automatically disqualified him from any Northern support, hegemony or not. If you call that disruptive then you’re absolutely right.

Nobody rigged the election for Tinubu no matter how much you keep consoling yourself with such fallacy. Arewa deliberately supported and voted for Asiwaju because he was the best candidate by far, which Is why it is certain that even if the election is conducted 200 times, Obi would still lose woefully.

Penguin2:
Whatever you think in your head is non of my business. My happiness is that by the time Tinubu is done (if Obi doesn’t recover his mandate in court) a lot of things the north had exclusive preserve of must have been taken away from their mouth. Deal with that.

It is your deeply rooted inferiority complex and selective memory that makes you think the North has exclusive preserve of any position. It’s now a southern Presidency and it is expected that positions would be rotated, just like was done under GEJ when the East was still relevant and occupied top cabinet positions.

Regardless, the North is the currently the most represented in Tinubu’s government and occupy the office of the VP, Speaker, NSA, Service Chiefs and important Presidential Aides and is on track to dominate the coming ministerial list, despite it being a southern Presidency so I wonder what’s “being taken from its mouth” if not that you’re looking for a lamentation partner to massage your current political reality ….Misery loves company.

You should be more worried about being sidelined, ignored, bypassed and irrelevant under a southern Presidency without any prospect of political relevance until 2039.

Penguin2 don't let that man convince you that they wanted a power shift. We saw the voting patterns and how they suddenly found their brother attractive despite voting against him in previous elections.

I only pity them because they are currently being weakened and there isn't any region they can manipulate. NC alliances is now split between Southern regions. SW won't bend, SE is no go area and SS is waking up.

The only good thing about this election was that arrogance and supremacist ideologies were cured. After now, nobody will try that nonsense of wanting to hold onto power in a diverse nation like Nigeria.

Frigga13:
Penguin is a bird of myopic reasoning..

Oga decamp with your full chest and stop playing bacarnista tony..

You were all warned .. a vote for Obi is an advantage to tinubu Apc..
op in particular damed it .. only to write English

Nairaland kids

You sound like a pained abokki

Everybody knows Peter Obi worked for Tinubu's emergence directly or indirectly.

You northerners were shell-shocked to see SE and SS vote overwhelmingly for Peter Obi thereby wasting away Atiku's chances.

The core north had split their vote between Tinubu and Atiku expecting the SS and SE to come through for Atiku so that Tinubu would not be able to accuse them of betrayal The strategy failed

Parachoco:
Don't be fooled

Penguin2 first choice was Obi, his second choice was Atiku

Absolute Majority Of Obi supporters do not want Asiwaju to win

You saw their reaction after he won

The FACT is that had Obi not contested, Atiku would have won easily before the sunset on February 25.

So we need to appreciate the obidients for supporting and voting Obi rather than Atiku.

I believe the online rivalries between Tinubu supporters and obidients was to give obidients the feeling that Peter Obi really stood a chance of winning so that they will not diss him for Atiku at the last minute.

Aside obidients, most of us knew Obi could NOT win. But had he stepped down for Atiku, Atiku would have won easily...

striker07:
the election wasn't 100 percent perfect but it's still one of our best elections, only obidients'think otherwise especially the Igbos among them,most especially, they are fond of laying claim without logic or any proof. That's a sign of low intelligence if you ask me.

Just yesterday, European Union Election Observation Mission presented their final report on the 2023 elections and scored the election low for lacking transparency and voter intimidation.

Is the European Union Igbo Obidients too?

Dotherightthing:


The FACT is that had Obi not contested, Atiku would have won easily before the sunset on February 25.

So we need to appreciate the obidients for supporting and voting Obi rather than Atiku.

I believe the online rivalries between Tinubu supporters and obidients was to give obidients the feeling that Peter Obi really stood a chance of winning so that they will not diss him for Atiku at the last minute.

Aside obidients, most of us knew Obi could NOT win. But had he stepped down for Atiku, Atiku would have won easily...

If you people believed Obi didn’t stand a chance, why did INEC upload Senatorial and House of Rep elections and failed to upload the presidential election which would have ensured transparency and eliminated manipulation of votes?

Why?

Efewestern:
Penguin2 don't let that man convince you that they wanted a power shift. We saw the voting patterns and how they suddenly found their brother attractive despite voting against him in previous elections.

I only pity them because they are currently being weakened and there isn't any region they can manipulate. NC alliances is now split between Southern regions. SW won't bend, SE is no go area and SS is waking up.

The only good thing about this election was that arrogance and supremacist ideologies were cured. After now, nobody will try that nonsense of wanting to hold power in a diverse nation like Nigeria.

Lol! Do I seem to you like the kind of person that his rhetorics and rationalization will deceive? Lol!

He keeps talking about the North supporting power shift to the south as if they had a choice.

They should have given the ticket to Ahmed Lawan and try their luck if APC wouldn’t have lost the election scandalously.

QuotaSystem:


The Northern leadership in the interest of national unity, already had a consensus for power rotation to the south, which aligned with the in-house gentleman’s understanding between the northern and SW blocs in the APC on rotation, and made the emergence of PBAT smooth and seamless with minimal resistance from the North. Don’t forget Gov. Badaru also sacrificed his ambition for Tinubu.

If the North was bent on retaining the Presidency, we would have easily supported Atiku and he would have won effortlessly.



If Obi had not been in the race, it would have made absolutely no difference because Obi/SE would still not have won which is the crux of the matter.

It has been done ONCE, TWICE and THRICE by both a northerner and southerner so I don’t know what you’re on about. Any Presidential candidate can win a presidential election without S/East votes and that is an empirical fact



Obi was a tactless IPOB apologist and that automatically disqualified him from any Northern support, hegemony or not. If you call that disruptive then you’re absolutely right.

Nobody rigged the election for Tinubu no matter how much you keep consoling yourself with such fallacy. Arewa deliberately supported and voted for Asiwaju because he was the best candidate by far, which Is why it is certain that even if the election is conducted 200 times, Obi would still lose woefully.



It is your deeply rooted inferiority complex and selective memory that makes you think the North has exclusive preserve of any position. It’s now a southern Presidency and it is expected that positions would be rotated, just like was done under GEJ when the East was still relevant and occupied top cabinet positions.

Regardless, the North is the currently the most represented in Tinubu’s government and occupy the office of the VP, Speaker, NSA, Service Chiefs and important Presidential Aides and is on track to dominate the coming ministerial list, despite it being a southern Presidency so I wonder what’s “being taken from its mouth” if not that you’re looking for a lamentation partner to massage your current political reality ….Misery loves company.

You should be more worried about being sidelined, ignored, bypassed and irrelevant under a southern Presidency without any prospect of political relevance until 2039.

Sorry, if you people believe in yourself so much, you would have dared present Ahmed Lawan and know if APC wouldn’t have lost scandalously.

The problem you people have with Atiku is because he’s neither an ethnic jingoist nor a religious fundamentalist like Buhari or the Muslim Muslim ticket that Tinubu used to deceive you people.

Accept that Tinubu deceived you guys with Muslim Muslim ticket and you people fell for it.

And talking about Vice President Kashim Shettima…. Maybe I need to teach you a little history that Shettima is Kanuri, and the Kanuri are more vicious against Fulani hegemonists than even southerners. Need I remind you that the Kanuri defeated Usman Dan Fodio and halted his Jihad into Maiduguri and the Lake Chad Basin. So, you would be deceiving yourself to think that Shettima will serve the interest of ethnic jingoists and hegemonists.

Penguin2:

Sorry, if you people believe in yourself so much, you would have dared present Ahmed Lawan and know if APC wouldn’t have lost scandalously.

Fortunately unlike easterners, northerners are not emotional, impulsive politicians that would support a weak candidate just to make a needless point. Why would we support a politician that can barely govern his constituency? Why would we tactlessly and unstrategically disturb the delicate North-South power rotation like GEJ did and jeopardize/destroy our political future? Again, we are not tactless easterners.

We wanted power to rotate to the South for the sake of one Nigeria and that stubborn fact wouldn’t change if you struck your head ceaselessly against a sharp rock

Penguin2:
The problem you people have with Atiku is because he’s neither an ethnic jingoist nor a religious fundamentalist like Buhari or the Muslim Muslim ticket that Tinubu used to deceive you people.

Accept that Tinubu deceived you guys with Muslim Muslim ticket and you people fell for it.

Yes and that’s why the North is enjoying the best representation under his government and haven’t uttered a whimper of dissatisfaction 🤡

Penguin2:
And talking about Vice President Kashim Shettima…. Maybe I need to teach you a little history that Shettima is Kanuri, and the Kanuri are more vicious against Fulani hegemonists than even southerners. Need I remind you that the Kanuri defeated Usman Dan Fodio and halted his Jihad into Maiduguri and the Lake Chad Basin. So, you would be deceiving yourself to think that Shettima will serve the interest of ethnic jingoists and hegemonists.

Lol Shinedu wants to teach me Northern history. What do you know about Arewa? Lmao.

Have you EVER heard anyone from Kano, Katsina, Sokoto, Kebbi, Zamfara, Kaduna, Niger, Bauchi, Gombe, Nasarawa or Adamawa protest the choice of Shetimma?

That is because, while such ethnic differences could be played up by desperate elements in governorship and other local political contests, there is complete cultural and political unity of purpose among far Northerners in national politics

Not just Hausa, Fulani and Kanuri, which are the biggest groups. You can add the Nupe and a hundred other Northern ethnic groups in this united view of national politics. Furthermore, they are all subjects of, and pay allegiance to the Sultan of Sokoto.

Let me further enlighten you that thirty short years ago, the Abiola/Kingibe ticket recorded resounding political success in Hausa/Fulani heartland, including a big win in its heart of hearts, Kano. Ambassador Babagana Kingibe, like Kashim Shettima, is ethnic Kanuri while Asiwaju Tinubu, like M.K.O. Abiola, is ethnic Yoruba. No one in the North protested Kingibe’s appearance on the ticket then; no one is protesting Shettima’s place on the APC ticket now, certainly not on ethnic grounds. Up until 2019, Shettima was in fact Chairman of the Northern States Governors Forum, and he did a swell job of it.

P.S Mind you if Fulani is really your problem, then you have a major headache loading . Remember the powers of Shetimma as VP are actually less than someone like the NSA, a position held by Fulani Ribadu

Suck on that