Rossikk:


Mumu talking rubbish and conditioned to self hate. You would rather worship a non-existent fake white saviour you pray to for 50 years without answer.

The difference between African religion and Christianity is that the[b] former does not claim that the likes of Sango are real people who existed and must be followed or risk eternal torture[/b] in a ‘hellfire’ like your rotten imported fake religion does.

In African religion you are FREE to choose not to even worship anyone including God Himself. There are no threats of punishment because African religion KNOWS that we all transit to the ‘LAND OF THE ANCESTORS’ upon leaving this Earth life. We are all IMMORTAL BEINGS in living a temporal human experience.

Christianity tells you you are wretched worthless ‘sinner’ who needs ‘Jesus’ to be ‘saved’ from a smouldering torture chamber called ‘hellfire’.

IT IS A LIE.

YOU HAVE BEEN LIED TO BY THE WHITES.

THE SUPREME BEING DOES NOT PUNISH PEOPLE FOR NOT WORSHIPING HIM.

It is obvious you are actually ignorant of what Yoruba traditional beliefs and religion entails. Sango is believed to exist and was reputed to be the first Alaafin of Oyo. He was one of those extraordinary humans who transmuted to semi-gods just as we have in Greek mythology.
Till today, we have Sango worshippers who believe Sango must be worshipped and revered else he strikes those who annoy him with lightning in his wrath. Same for Ogun, Oya, Obatala etc. So, your claims are based on ignorance. You are forming African renaissance without even having a firm grasp of what the religious beliefs were about. No wonder you claimed African religions were superior to the white man's

One person at a time..

We will get there soon..

Jesus is a Nicean creation.

Emperor Constantine wanted a single region for his empire.

Eusebius and co created the jesus character and murdered millions to keep the lie going.

Jews don't have the idea of God mating with humans. It is a Greek/Roman idea.

The Messiah God promised them was a man from the Scion of David...a man nonetheless.

Rossikk:


You are very stupid. Christianity and Islam brought crime and corruption to Nigeria.

Before their introduction, we built our houses without front doors, fences, or gates because stealing was virtually unheard of.

If you disbelieve, go to your village and ask the elders.

Eggzactly!!
Africans were innocent, pure and honest people living in El Dorado before the whites came and polluted their lands and minds
Why don't you google some historical figures. Bashorun Gaa was reputed to loves pilfering from the King's royalties.
There's a Waziri in Kano who at the peak of his powers was reputed to always sleep with new brides before their husbands were allowed to touch them etc.
You're just fumbling around and a total waste of time
Go and get a proper education on Nigerian traditional history instead of filling your head with conjectures and assumptions and using that to open senseless threads on NL to propagate fake African revisionism.
You're a total waste of time and space

Kukutenla:

I won't even go into debating your lies. What i am just asking and i want a definite yes or no since you want us to go back to our traditional religions, if a smallpox outbreak occurs and the chief priest of Shonponna identifies you as the ideal sacrifice to cleanse the land, will you happily lend your neck to the knife instead of getting a vaccine or cure made available by the Christian countries?

And you're yet to respond to this Rossikk. It choke, choken't it?

sonmvayina:
One person at a time..

We will get there soon..

Jesus is a Nicean creation.

Emperor Constantine wanted a single region for his empire.

Eusebius and co created the jesus character and murdered millions to keep the lie going.

Jews don't have the idea of God mating with humans. It is a Greek/Roman idea.

The Messiah God promised them was a man from the Scion of David...a man nonetheless.

Another one. This one is even at Constantine. Did the Jews ever deny the existence of Jesus among them?

Your Oga fails to realize the distance between Rome and Judea. He seems to think Romans care so much for what goes on in that tiny country called Judea that supplies only fruits and spices when compared to other conquered lands rich in better and bigger treasures.
You both need a brain reboot

Rossikk:


WHY DID NOBODY SAY OR WRITE A SINGLE THING ABOUT ‘JESUS’ UNTIL MORE THAN 50 YEARS AFTER HIS ALLEGED WINGLESS FLIGHT BACK TO HEAVEN FROM A BLASTED DINNER TABLE, YOU THOUGHTLESS PERSON?

THERE WERE HUNDREDS OF WRITERS LIKE PHILO, SENECA, AND OTHERS WHO WERE CONTEMPORARY TO THE ‘JESUS’ CHARACTER, AND NONE OF THEM WROTE A SINGLE WORD ABOUT HIM!

HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE IF HE ACTUALLY LIVED?

Isreal wasnt a world power, u cant expect Seneca to write about him or the Jews...

As a Roman historian, How could u have written about an Israeli who was neither a Ruler nor a govt official ? A jew whom u may never even have heard of, as you werent from same locality as a Roman Historian


Josephus wrote about him cause he was a native to Jesus galilee and since he was the earliest popular Jewish historian, its fair to know why he wrote about their Kinsman even though the accounts he gave were critical and negative as he were never a believer of him ( In fact, Josephus didnt write about the ascension into heaven as he doubted that part himself being a person from the line of the pharisee who hasnt seen such nor believe such before)

As for Tacitus, he was only able to write about Jesus cause as a Roman historian, he wrote extensively on Pontius Pilate and those he ever convicted and since Jesus was among those Pilate ever executed, its fair to know why he wrote few pages about him just as he wrote about others who were executed under Pilate.


Now, The writer of luke, wrote about Jesus childhood being in the time of Augustus, his successor Tiberius and then Quinrinius who was a Gov, and he even specified what year of their reign Jesus did this and that ...forget about luke. how about those emperors and the specific year of reign as accounted for by Luke, are they all not real or not in accordance with the Roman history


Now, the question is why would u disregard Josephus account of jesus which was just few years away yet u believe that of Shakesphere who wrote on Julius Ceasar who lived 1000+ years before him, Not minding the fact that most historians actually wrote about characters who lived before them and everyone accepted their accounts. Tacitus wrote about Augustus who was even far older than Jesus yet they accepted his account of him, same Tacitus that lived after Jesus

Kukutenla:

It is obvious you are actually ignorant of what Yoruba traditional beliefs and religion entails. Sango is believed to exist and was reputed to be the first Alaafin of Oyo. He was one of those extraordinary humans who transmuted to semi-gods just as we have in Greek mythology.
Till today, we have Sango worshippers who believe Sango must be worshipped and revered else he strikes those who annoy him with lightning in his wrath. Same for Ogun, Oya, Obatala etc. So, your claims are based on ignorance. You are forming African renaissance without even having a firm grasp of what the religious beliefs were about. No wonder you claimed African religions were superior to the white man's

YOU ARE A LIAR.

“Sango must be worshipped”?

WHO MADE THAT CLAIM AND WHERE?

YOU ARE A LIAR.

THERE IS NO AFRICAN RELIGION THAT CLAIMS IT MUST BE FOLLOWED ON THE RISK OF DEATH AND TORTURE.

THERE IS NO EVANGELISM IN AFRICAN RELIGION, OR DRIVE TO CONVERT OTHERS.

THAT IS CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM PRACTICE.

NO OTHER RELIGIONS DO THAT.

IT IS ONLY WHEN YOU HAVE A POLITICAL AGENDA TO DOMINATE OTHERS THAT YOU EVANGELISE AND SEEK TO EXPAND YOUR RELIGION.

Kukutenla:

Another one. This one is even at Constantine. Did the Jews ever deny the existence of Jesus among them?

Your Oga fails to realize the distance between Rome and Judea. He seems to think Romans care so much for what goes on in that tiny country called Judea that supplies only fruits and spices when compared to other conquered lands rich in better and bigger treasures.
You both need a brain reboot

Why did they add the new testament at the end of the Jewish scriptures?

Rossikk:


YOU ARE A LIAR.

“Sango must be worshipped”?

WHO MADE THAT CLAIM AND WHERE?

YOU ARE A LIAR.

THERE IS NO AFRICAN RELIGION THAT CLAIMS IT MUST BE FOLLOWED ON THE RISK OF DEATH AND TORTURE.

THERE IS NO EVANGELISM IN AFRICAN RELIGION, OR DRIVE TO CONVERT OTHERS. THAT IS CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM PRACTICE. NO OTHER RELIGIONS DO THAT.

He thinks in his small puny mind he is making sense.

He doesn't want his illusions destroyed. He is just comfortable with believing a lie.

His brain is for decoration...

Kukutenla:

It is obvious you are actually ignorant of what Yoruba traditional beliefs and religion entails. Sango is believed to exist and was reputed to be the first Alaafin of Oyo. He was one of those extraordinary humans who transmuted to semi-gods just as we have in Greek mythology.
Till today, we have Sango worshippers who believe Sango must be worshipped and revered else he strikes those who annoy him with lightning in his wrath. Same for Ogun, Oya, Obatala etc. So, your claims are based on ignorance. You are forming African renaissance without even having a firm grasp of what the religious beliefs were about. No wonder you claimed African religions were superior to the white man's

Look at you. You're looking at indigenous religions through your Christian lens.

Who has approached you and told you to worship sango or perish in hell??

sonmvayina:


He thinks in his small puny mind he is making sense.

He doesn't want his illusions destroyed. He is just comfortable with believing a lie.

His brain is for decoration...

My brother don’t mind the guy. Dem go get sense one day.

Heroclitus:


Isreal wasnt a world power, u cant expect Seneca to write about him or the Jews...

As a Roman historian, How could u have written about an Israeli who was neither a Ruler nor a govt official ? A jew whom u may never even have heard of, as you werent from same locality as a Roman Historian


Josephus wrote about him cause he was a native to Jesus galilee and since he was the earliest popular Jewish historian, its fair to know why he wrote about their Kinsman even though the accounts he gave were critical and negative as he were never a believer of him ( In fact, Josephus didnt write about the ascension into heaven as he doubted that part himself being a person from the line of the pharisee who hasnt seen such nor believe such before)

As for Tacitus, he was only able to write about Jesus cause as a Roman historian, he wrote extensively on Pontius Pilate and those he ever convicted and since Jesus was among those Pilate ever executed, its fair to know why he wrote few pages about him just as he wrote about others who were executed under Pilate.


Now, The writer of luke, wrote about Jesus childhood being in the time of Augustus, his successor Tiberius and then Quinrinius who was a Gov, and he even specified what year of their reign Jesus did this and that ...forget about luke. how about those emperors and the specific year of reign as accounted for by Luke, are they all not real or not in accordance with the Roman history


Now, the question is why would u disregard Josephus account of jesus which was just few years away yet u believe that of Shakesphere who wrote on Julius Ceasar who lived 1000+ years before him, Not minding the fact that most historians actually wrote about characters who lived before them and everyone accepted their accounts. Tacitus wrote about Augustus who was even far older than Jesus yet they accepted his account of him, same Tacitus that lived after Jesus

We know Caesar lived because there are coins dated to his era with his face on them. There are statues of him contemporary to his lifetime.

And we really don’t care about all these excuses for why there is no contemporaneous record of Jesus. The fact is that THERE ISN’T, so why do you accept it?

It’s like me waking up today and claiming that 50 years ago, a miracle worker existed who was the son of God, and then starting a religion based on that claim!

And then a few years later when the religion has permeated society, some writers start to mention the name of this ‘miracle worker’ in their texts, and then 2000 years later, people like you say “See! That writer wrote about him! Sure, he wrote it 80 years after the saviour lived, but it doesn’t matter! It must be true. Praise the lord or burn in hell forever!”

Kukutenla:

I won't even go into debating your lies. What i am just asking and i want a definite yes or no since you want us to go back to our traditional religions, if a smallpox outbreak occurs and the chief priest of Shonponna identifies you as the ideal sacrifice to cleanse the land, will you happily lend your neck to the knife instead of getting a vaccine or cure made available by the Christian countries?

None of what I typed is a lie. You can check Google images and see Christian bishops giving Nazi salutes to Hitler. Plus you can Google the quote by Bush saying the Christian god told him to invade Iraq where he killed 2 million innocent people.

As far as your smallpox outbreak nonsense, it just shows the deep level of your ignorance about your history that you don’t know it was AFRICANS WHO INVENTED VACCINES when Europeans were in caves.

Chinese medicine, which is an offshoot of African medicine, is elevated by the Chinese, while a mentally colonised mumu like you, spits on, and knows nothing about your African traditional medicine and healing.

How will the world respect you when you don’t respect yourselves and spit on your heritage?

You’re disgusting.

Rossikk:


We know Caesar lived because there are coins dated to his era with his face on them. There are statues of him contemporary to his lifetime.

And we really don’t care about all these excuses for why there is no contemporaneous record of Jesus. The fact is that THERE ISN’T, so why do you accept it?

It’s like me waking up today and claiming that 50 years ago, a miracle worker existed who was the son of God, and then starting a religion based on that claim!

And then a few years later when the religion has permeated society, some writers start to mention the name of this ‘miracle worker’ in their texts, and then 2000 years later, people like you say “See! That writer wrote about him! Sure, he wrote it 80 years after the saviour lived, but it doesn’t matter! It must be true. Praise the lord or burn in hell forever!”

Bro, its obvious you've never read about any historical account...If u did, you'd know that they are written based on rumours, little facts and assumption



Again, every single person who wrote about both Caesars wrote about them after their death, so how do u believe others after account of the Caesars and not that of Jesus

Or u think there were actually contemporary historians who wrote about King Darius of Media the great, King Cyrus of Persia and many other world powerful men like Pharaoh Necho or Emperor Nero

Infact, Tacitus, the most respected Roman historian, was never alive during the days of all these Emperors yet wrote about them

I'll take you seriously when u u decide to write the "World book encyclopedia britannica" and "The Library of Roman History" to question why they accepted all Tacitus account on these Roman Emperors Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Nero, Pilate(whose execution of Jesus was documented in the Roman history) since he lived around 500+ years after their death

its hypocrisy to talk about not having contemporary historians write about Jesus( even though Josephus wrote it few years later) when Roman Emperors have their history wirtten 100s of years after their death

Cant u go on line to confirm about those three i metioned, Augustus, Quinrinus and Tiberius and check if the biblical date correspond with that of Roman history...Dont be a lazy researcher...

My name and my siggy should tell u i"m not a xtain, I'm just a lover of history and anything Greek

Heroclitus:



Bro, its obvious you've never read about any historical account...If u did, you'd know that they are written based on rumours, little facts and assumption



Again, every single person who wrote about both Caesars wrote about them after their death, so how do u believe others after account of the Caesars and not that of Jesus

Or u think there were actually contemporary historians who wrote about King Darius of Media the great, King Cyrus of Persia and many other world powerful men like Pharaoh Necho or Emperor Nero

Infact, Tacitus, the most respected Roman historian, was never alive during the days of all these Emperors yet wrote about them

I'll take you seriously when u u decide to write the "World book encyclopedia britannica" and "The Library of Roman History" to question why they accepted all Tacitus account on these Roman Emperors Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Nero, Pilate(whose execution of Jesus was documented in the Roman history) since he lived around 500+ years after their death

its hypocrisy to talk about not having contemporary historians write about Jesus( even though Josephus wrote it few years later) when Roman Emperors have their history wirtten 100s of years after their death

Cant u go on line to confirm about those three i metioned, Augustus, Quinrinus and Tiberius and check if the biblical date correspond with that of Roman history...Dont be a lazy researcher...

My name and my siggy should tell u i"m not a xtain, I'm just a lover of history and anything Greek

It is you that is lazy and refusing to use your damn brain. Don’t mention Caesar because I already dealt with that. Go back and read the thread.

Naming all these kings and saying they wrote about them years after they lived, makes no difference. None of those kings heads a religion which all must adopt or face eternal torture and damnation.

CHRISTIANS must PROVE that this person actually lived, AND THEY CANNOT.

And to make it worse, this was the religion they used to enslave, invade, brutalise, mass murder and colonise Africans and loot their resources!

Leave aside everything else - THAT IN ITSELF should be enough to make you reject that religion if your brain was working right.

1Sharon:



He wrote about but he never met him. So he's just telling tales and making assumptions so why should I listen to him??
Atheists are very conversant with history, it's the reason why they are atheists to begin with. Religious people read only their holy books and think they know everthing

You can miss me with your hypocrisy. Christians are experts at cancelling other people's beliefs.
Why was your comment when Christians were burning shrines and destroying artifacts of traditional religions?

It's going to be very hard to disprove the existence of Jesus. The chain of narration is just too strong.
Jesus wasn't a well known figure during his time. He was just one of the popular preacher in a small region in Judea, a province in larger Roman empire...nothing more.
In fact, John the Baptist was more popular than Jesus outside of Galilee and its environs.
There wasn't going to be many historical writings about him. Nothing exemplary about him to warrant the attention of contemporary historians or writers of his time.

He wasn't the first to make a Messianic claim, those before him really rock the boat hard, the likes of Judas of Gamalia, Simon of Paraea and Thadeus led rebellion against the Roman army.

Let's say Jesus chose the timid approach- avoid trouble with the Roman authority and do not inspire a rebellion.
It's still didn't work out well for him, he was arrested and killed in the most humiliating manner, whipped and then nailed on the cross like a common thief.
His disciples would have been embarrassed- so much for a Messiah. Nothing inspiring about this man to the common eye.
This was more than enough to discourage his disciples and for them to abandon his cause.

But the early church fathers led by the 12 apostles spoke about Jesus and preached his gospel.
Why would they go all the way and risk their lives for a meek figure like historical Jesus.
If they made it all up, why would they create such a weak fictional Messianic figure and hope to sell it as inspiration to fellow Jews who wanted a powerful Messiah who will deliver them from Roman oppression and establish God's kingdom on earth and Jerusalem as the capital.

The book of acts put the accounts of the disciples ministry immediately after Jesus death, they can't simply create a fictional Jesus story so close to his time of his supposed existence and death. People will simply call them liars.

The book of acts which wrote in great detail about the apostle is a strong historical book. It's been thoroughly examined by scholars and it's his been largely agreed to be accurate.
It mentioned places, people, events and locations that have been corroborated by other sources.
For example acts 18.2 mentioned the expulsion of Jews from Rome during Claudius reign. This has been confirmed to be historically true as confirmed in the writings of Seutonius and Cassius Dio both Roman historians.

The big question is why would the apostles risk their life for a meek figure like historical Jesus if he's not real or his divinity true. A big question to ponder about...

Next are the apostolic fathers, these were early church leaders who didn't meet Jesus but personally knew the apostles e.g father Clement, Polycarp, Ignatius of Antioch, papias of herapolis.
These people were not mentioned in the bible, but we have their letters which confirmed what we know about the bible.
They took over the mantle of church leadership after the death of most of the disciples.

All these people lived in the first century, they were very much active in the church activities thruout the first century after the death of jesus.
The disciples of Jesus in the mid first century and the apostolic fathers in the later first century.

As we can see, there was no vacuum in the first century church history to insert a bogus Jesus story.
Most of the church leaders lived at a time they can question the historicity of Jesus if it was untrue or exaggerated. But none of them doubted it.

The question of the Jesus originating from Roman authority or religious sect is bogus and unfounded. Nero started persecuting Christians as early as 60 AD.
There's no way the Roman-Jesus conspiracy could have fitted into a first century Christian narrative that is water tight.

We Christians know our church fathers in the first century, none of them took orders from the Roman rulers or were associated with any Roman religion.

There's a reason all bible scholars including atheist like Bart Erhman all agreed that Jesus Christ is a true historical figure.

cc Rossikk

Rossikk:


None of what I typed is a lie. You can check Google images and see Christian bishops giving Nazi salutes to Hitler. Plus you can Google the quote by Bush saying the Christian god told him to invade Iraq where he killed 2 million innocent people.

As far as your smallpox outbreak nonsense, it just shows the deep level of your ignorance about your history that you don’t know it was AFRICANS WHO INVENTED VACCINES when Europeans were in caves.

Chinese medicine, which is an offshoot of African medicine, is elevated by the Chinese, while a mentally colonised mumu like you, spits on, and knows nothing about your African traditional medicine and healing.

How will the world respect you when you don’t respect yourselves and spit on your heritage?

You’re disgusting.

What does what Bush did or who Hitler was have to do with Christianity? Hitler and the Nazi were atheists. So your video is meaningless. I don't recall Hitler or Bush being revered figures in Christianity.

Now, you have still not answered the question but going about typing irrelevant things. If African religion invented vaccines, can you explain why same Africans worshipped same smallpox such that they even had Priests for the disease. Yet it is Christianity that's a scam.
Africans have vaccine for smallpox yet people like you would be killed to appease sonponna whose name no one even dared mention aloud.
Oya go and worship sonponna abi na Omolu

Rossikk:


YOU ARE A LIAR.

“Sango must be worshipped”?

WHO MADE THAT CLAIM AND WHERE?

YOU ARE A LIAR.

THERE IS NO AFRICAN RELIGION THAT CLAIMS IT MUST BE FOLLOWED ON THE RISK OF DEATH AND TORTURE.

THERE IS NO EVANGELISM IN AFRICAN RELIGION, OR DRIVE TO CONVERT OTHERS.

THAT IS CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM PRACTICE.

NO OTHER RELIGIONS DO THAT.

IT IS ONLY WHEN YOU HAVE A POLITICAL AGENDA TO DOMINATE OTHERS THAT YOU EVANGELISE AND SEEK TO EXPAND YOUR RELIGION.

Lol. Even Esu the god of vengeance must be worshipped by his worshippers by filling his head with red oil every morning. Ogun must be worshipped by killing of a dog. Same for Sango and other gods. That's why in Yoruba religion, each god has families tied to their worship so they don't lack worshippers even up to sonponna the smallpox god.
Like i said, you're simply an ignoramus

sonmvayina:


Why did they add the new testament at the end of the Jewish scriptures?

Who added it? Old Testament and New Testament are two totally different compendium with same theme of God and the Israelites. It has nothing to do with your wild and silly claims of a roman conspiracy to dominate Jews through a mythic personality. That idea is very contrary to common sense given the knowledge we have of who Romans were, and who the Jews are. The Jews will never accept anyone creating any religion for them. That's why the Romans never bothered incorporating the Jewish religion into their national religions like they did for other conquered tribes.
The Romans on the other hand never believed in monotheism. Again, it sounded absurd to Romans that there'll be only one god because that would have diminished the Emperor whose title included the representative of the gods

1Sharon:


Look at you. You're looking at indigenous religions through your Christian lens.

Who has approached you and told you to worship sango or perish in hell??

No hell for you if you refuse to worship sango. Just that thunder will fire you

Kukutenla:

No hell for you if you refuse to worship sango. Just that thunder will fire you

So you believe thunder can be directed at people.

1Sharon:


So you believe thunder can be directed at people.

Sango worshippers believe so

Rossikk:


Colonised dunce. For every prayer ‘Jesus’ has ‘answered’, there are 100 million he didn’t ‘answer’, which is why majority of you are broke!

Jesus is my reality. Go and serve your village deity.

danijesus:
you are a kingdom man...

are you a kingdom man?

Chibuezem:
are you a kingdom man?

of course I am

Jesus is the angel of light

danijesus:
of course I am

wonderful keep the fire of faith burning.

Rostikol:
When una go get sense?

The English people who taught you this nonsense don’t bother with church anymore.

They’ve converted their churches to schools, nightclubs, banks and bars.

They have done the research and realise the Jesus tale is a MYTH.

A Roman fabrication.

He never existed.

When will you colonised cretins stop this Jesus nonsense and finally GROW UP?

You never existed too. You are a Nigerian fabrication. Do you agreed?

Even the being, Satan, that inspired this antichrist thought in you knows Jesus exists. Don't lose your soul out of spiritual ignorance

tundein18:
Jesus is the angel of light

No. He is no angel. He created Angels. He is God, The Son. Lords of Lords and Kings of Kings. He will judge you and everyone else on judgement day.

I hope you have accepted him as your saviour so you won't lose your soul?

Rossikk:


You are very stupid. Christianity and Islam brought crime and corruption to Nigeria.

Before their introduction, we built our houses without front doors, fences, or gates because stealing was virtually unheard of.

If you disbelieve, go to your village and ask the elders.

See, yourself. As if the people who sold slaves to the whitemen were not committing a crime or there was no stealing and corruption eg bribing dibia/babalawo to say you did not steal in the villages before the whiteman came.

Rossikk:

Less than 1% of their population, meaning NEGLIGIBLE NUMBER, with the overwhelming majority of them rejecting your Roman religion of fakery and lies.

As long as this has proven you wrong.

Redpeeldtf:
No. He is no angel. He created Angels. He is God, The Son. Lords of Lords and Kings of Kings. He will judge you and everyone else on judgement day.

I hope you have accepted him as your saviour so you won't lose your soul?

Judgement is only for the living...never for the dead..