Kobojunkie,
You can see your people.
Their preferred standard Islamic Narrative is Not found in the Qur'an but it is exactly what they teach.

Eg.
That the Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel

Unfortunately, they can't agree that Angel Gabriel is a Co-Creator with God.

1. Do you think good Muslims will enter Paradise?
2. Do you think that these questions of mine are unreasonable to be given to Muslims.

TenQ:
■ Kobojunkie, You can see your people. Their preferred standard Islamic Narrative is Not found in the Qur'an but it is exactly what they teach.
■ Eg. That the Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel Unfortunately, they can't agree that Angel Gabriel is a Co-Creator with God.
■ Do you think good Muslims will enter Paradise?
■ Do you think that these questions of mine are unreasonable to be given to Muslims.

1. I believe they are more your people since you also subscribe to a religion of your own, something God also never gave to men.

2. You mean kind of like you also don't believe Jesus Christ when He says things like God sent Him only to the Lost sheep of Israel or when He says that it is only when you do as He commands that you in fact reveal you are true of Him? Religion, I have come to accept as Jesus Christ said, does crazy things to the mind and causes people to live as hypocrites — claiming with their mouths to believe in a thing all while their actions reveal something entirely different.

3. If their religion tells them that they will enter Mohammed's paradise at the end of the day who are you to decide for them that they can?

4. So long as you don't pretend any of what you do is of Jesus Christ, I don't mind one bit.

TenQ:
Disturbing the Standard Islamic Narrative that Jubril is the Holy Spirit

Today, we shall just study a few verses of the Quran and show the denial of the Islamic Narratives of the true Identity of the Holy Spirit in the Quran.
Quran 19:16-19
وَٱذْكُرْ فِى ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ مَرْيَمَ إِذِ ٱنتَبَذَتْ مِنْ أَهْلِهَا مَكَانًۭا شَرْقِيًّۭا ١٦ فَٱتَّخَذَتْ مِن دُونِهِمْ حِجَابًۭا فَأَرْسَلْنَآ إِلَيْهَا رُوحَنَا فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا بَشَرًۭا سَوِيًّۭا ١٧ قَالَتْ إِنِّىٓ أَعُوذُ بِٱلرَّحْمَـٰنِ مِنكَ إِن كُنتَ تَقِيًّۭا ١٨ قَالَ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَـٰمًۭا زَكِيًّۭا ١٩
Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

FACTS:
1. Allah sent to Mary his Spirit ("Our Spirit"= رُوحَنَا = ruhana)
2. The Spirit assumed the form of a Perfect Man
3. The Spirit claimed to be a Messenger of Allah
4. The Spirit Bestowed or Gave Mary a Faultless Son (Jesus)


Quran 66:12
وَمَرْيَمَ ٱبْنَتَ عِمْرَٰنَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِنَا وَصَدَّقَتْ بِكَلِمَـٰتِ رَبِّهَا وَكُتُبِهِۦ وَكَانَتْ مِنَ ٱلْقَـٰنِتِينَ ١٢
Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.

FACTS:
1. The One who Blew into the Private Part of Mary was Allah himself (We (Allah) blew into it)
2. Whatever was Blown by Allah is of Allah's Spirit

OBSERVABLES:
1. The Spirit of Allah is not an Attribute of Allah: it is a Living Being
How do we know?
-He assumed the form of a perfect man
-He claimed to be a messenger of Allah
-He gave Jesus to Mary
2. Allah was the one who gave Mary the pregnancy of Jesus
How do we know?
-He was the one who blew into the private part of Mary
-He is therefore then the Messenger who came to Mary as a perfect Man

Here is a Few Hadiths that may be of help to you
Sunan an-Nasa'i 1048: Book 12, Hadith 20
It was narrated that Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to say when bowing: 'Subbuhun Quddusun Rabbul-mala'ikati war-ruh (Perfect, Most Holy, is the Lord of the angels and the spirit ).'"

Sahih Muslim 487a: Book 4, Hadith 253
'A'isha reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) used to pronounce while bowing and prostrating himself:
All Glorious, All Holy, Lord of the Angels and the Spirit.

Showing that Just as Allah is the Lord of Man, angels and Jinns, he is also the Lord of the Spirit
Note:
In the two hadiths, the word Spirit is SINGULAR

Please, Don't just Repeat the standard Islamic Narrative without Backing it up with the Quran
Questions:
1. Is Angel Gabriel (Jibril) the Creator of Jesus (as he gave Mary the pregnancy Jesus)?
2. Is there a single Ayah of the Quran that shows that the Holy Spirit is Angel Gabriel?
3. According to Islamic narratives, Man is made of Mud, Jinns are made of smokeless fire and Angels are made of Light. Can you show a single verse of the Quran where Angels are spirits?
4. If Gabriel is an Angel but Angels are not Spirits, is this not a proof that Jubril is not a spirit not to speak of being the Holy Spirit?
5. Since Muslims claim to be spiritual: What is a spirit?
6. What is the relationship of a person who impregnates a woman to the Baby called? Is Jibril therefore the Father of Jesus?

If you think that Jubril is the Holy Spirit (according to the standard Islamic narrative), then I CHALLENGE you to answer truthfully the Questions Above.




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You're not different from Quraishi people.

One can easily discern from the Holy Quran, several Hadiths, and other Islamic literature that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) came from a poor and humble family background, and most of the time he led an austere and ascetic life.

He became orphaned in his childhood and was raised under the care of his grandfather Abd al-Muttalib, and upon his death, by his uncle Abu Talib (may Allah bless them all).

There are hundreds of hadiths that show that the Prophet (PBUH) led a life of poverty and austerity.

Umar ibn al-Khattab (r) reported: “I visited Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he was lying on a mat. I sat down and he drew up his lower garment over him and he had nothing (else) over him, and that the mat had left its marks on his sides. I looked with my eyes in the storeroom of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him). I found only a handful of barley and an equal quantity of the leaves of Mimosa Flava and a semi-tanned leather bag hanging (in one side), and I was moved to tears (on seeing this extremely austere living of the Holy Prophet), and he said: Ibn Khattab, what wakes you weep? I said: Apostle of Allah, why should I not shed tears? This mat has left its marks on your sides and I do not see in your storeroom (except these few things) that I have seen; Caesars (Roman Emperors) and Khosrows (Persian Emperors) are leading their lives in plenty whereas you are Allah’s Messenger. His chosen one, and that is your store! He said: Ibn Khattab, aren’t you satisfied that for us (there should be the prosperity) of the Hereafter, and for them (there should be the prosperity of) this world? I said: Yes.” Sahih Muslim Book 9, Number 3507

Narrated ‘Aisha (wife of Prophet): A complete month would pass by during which we would not make a fire (for cookinIg), and our food used to be only dates and water unless we were given a present of some meat. Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 76, Number 465

Narrated ‘Amir bin Al-Harith: Allah’s Apostle (Prophet Muhammad) did not leave a Dinar or a Dirham or a male or a female slave. He left only his white mule on which he used to ride, and his weapons, and a piece of land which he gave in charity for the needy travelers. Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 738

Narrated Anas: Allah’s Apostle was neither very tall nor short, neither absolutely white nor deep brown. His hair was neither curly nor lank. Allah sent him (as an Apostle) when he was forty years old. Afterward, he resided in Mecca for ten years and in Medina for ten more years. When Allah took him unto Him, there were scarcely twenty white hairs in his head and beard. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 748

Narrated Anas: The Prophet (ﷺ) did not eat at a table till he died, and he did not eat a thin nicely baked wheat bread till he died. Sahih al-Bukhari 6450

Narrated Abu Huraira: The family of Muhammad did not eat their fill for three successive days till he died. Sahih al-Bukhari 5374

It was narrated that Anas said: “I never saw the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) eat from a dish until he died.” Sunan Ibn Majah 3293

Narrated Anas: To the best of my knowledge, the Prophet (ﷺ) did not take his meals in a big tray at all, nor did he ever eat well-baked thin bread, nor did he ever eat at a dining table. Sahih al-Bukhari 5386

Simplicity and Austerity
Even when he presided over an Islamic authority in Madinah by the grace of Allah s.w.t., he steered away from all aspects of affluence and extravagance, and yet diligently performed all his duties towards his family, society, and nation.

It has been recorded in several hadiths that if some wealth came to his possession in the morning, by sunset he would distribute them amongst the needy. He lived in a house made of mud and straws and prayed in a sheepfold. The first mosque that he got constructed in Madina was made of mud and straws.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 421- Narrated Abu Al-Taiyah: Anas said- ‘Prophet Muhammad prayed in the sheepfold, Later on, I heard him saying, “He prayed in the sheepfolds before the construction of the mosque.”
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 437- Narrated ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar- ‘In the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle the mosque was built of adobes (clay), its roof of the leaves of date palms and its pillars of the stems of date-palms. Abu Bakr did not alter it. ‘Umar expanded it on the same pattern as it was in the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle by using adobes, leaves of date palms, and changing the pillars into wooden ones. ‘Uthman changed it by expanding it to a great extent and built its walls with engraved stones and lime and made its pillars of engraved stones and its roof of teak wood.
Grazing Sheep and Camels

Like many other Prophets (peace be upon them all), Prophet Muhammad (s) also grazed sheep and herded cattle in childhood.
In his childhood, he grazed sheep and camels as a shepherd, and in his youth, he did not shy away from manual labor. He proudly praised the meal earned by manual labor and hard work as the best meal as can be observed from the Hadith below.

Sahih al-Bukhari 2262 Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Allah did not send any prophet but shepherded sheep.” His companions asked him, “Did you do the same?” The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, “Yes, I used to shepherd the sheep of the people of Mecca for some Qirats.”
Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 286: Narrated Al-Miqdam: The Prophet said, “Nobody has ever eaten a better meal than that which one has earned by working with one’s own hands. The Prophet of Allah, David used to eat from the earnings of his manual labor.”
Most companions of Prophet (s) also came from humble backgrounds and engaged in manual labor for sustenance. Some of them later became rich though with their hard work and with the blessings of Allah as can be ascertained from the hadith below-

Sahih al-Bukhari 2071 Narrated Aisha: The companions of Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) used to practice manual labor, so their sweat used to smell, and they were advised to take a bath.
Sahih al-Bukhari 2273 Narrated Abu May’ id Al-Ansari: Whenever Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) ordered us to give in charity we would go to the market and work as porters to earn a Mudd (two handfuls) (of foodstuff) but now some of us have one-hundred thousand Dirhams or Diners. (The sub-narrator) Shaqiq said, “I think Abu Mas`ud meant himself by saying (some of us).
Further, as per Islamic injunctions, the wages are an earned right, not a charity. In a well-documented hadith, the Prophet (s) stated to pay the worker his dues before his sweat has dried up.

Sunan Ibn Majah Vol. 3, Book 16, Hadith 2443: It was narrated from ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah (s) said: “Give the worker his wages before his sweat dries”
Marriage with Khadija (RA)
Later he got some clerical work in the household of an influential businesswoman named Khadija (r) who also happened to be a widow. Taking advantage of her condition, her employees often embezzled the gains of her businesses.

So when Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) worked honestly for her, she was impressed and later proposed to marry him. The Prophet (PBUH) agreed after consulting with his elders and it was by all counts a happy marriage.

When he (PBUH) was told about his prophethood while meditating in a cave (named Hira), he trembled with fear. His wife Bibi Khadija (ra) consoled him and said-

ALLAH (GOD) WILL NEVER DISGRACE YOU. YOU UNITE UTERINE RELATIONS; YOU BEAR THE BURDEN OF THE WEAK; YOU HELP THE POOR AND THE NEEDY, YOU HONOUR YOUR GUESTS AND ENDURE HARDSHIPS IN THE PATH OF TRUTHFULNESS.

Humiliations and Mockings
When he started preaching the message of Allah, people made fun of him. His own tribe turned against him and he was mercilessly abused & mocked.

People not only did accuse him of hypocrisy but also labeled him with insinuating epithets.

When he used to pass down a street, many would spit on him and many would pour trash from above.

And when he prayed near the Kaba, some mischievous people would place dung, blood, and the abdominal contents of dead animals around his neck.

Narrated Amar ibn Maimuin- ‘Abdullah bin Masud said, While Allah’s Apostle was praying beside the Kaba, there were some Quraish people sitting in a gathering. One of them said, ‘Don’t you see this (who does deeds just to show off)? Who amongst you can go and bring the dung, blood, and the abdominal contents (intestines, etc) of the slaughtered camels of the family of so and so and then wait till he prostrates and put that in between his shoulders?’ The most unfortunate amongst them went and when Allah’s Apostle prostrated, he put them between his shoulders. The Prophet remained in prostration and they laughed so much so that they fell on each other.’ Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 9, Number 499

But when all this could not stop Islam from expanding in leaps and bounds with the grace of Allah s.w.t., rich Arabs started threatening him and even made several attempts on his life and on the lives of his followers.

His followers were generally poor people like him and they faced a severe socio-economic boycott from all sides.

The Holy Quran also contains verses on the humiliation and insult of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) at the hands of powerful elites of Mecca.

See ˹O Prophet˺ how they call you names! So they have gone so ˹far˺ astray that they cannot find the ˹Right˺ Way. Holy Quran 25:9

And they say ˹mockingly˺, “What kind of messenger is this who eats food and goes about in market-places ˹for a living˺? If only an angel had been sent down with him to be his co-warner, or (why is not) treasure thrown down unto him, or why hath he not a paradise from whence to eat? And the evil-doers say: Ye are but following a man bewitched. (Holy Quran 25:7-

We never sent any messenger before you ˹O Prophet˺, who did not eat food and go about in market-places. We have made some of you a trial for others. Will you ˹not then˺ be patient? And your Lord is All-Seeing. Holy Quran 25-20

The Powerful disbelievers and idol worshippers of Mecca often mocked Holy Quran and called it a wishful thinking Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

The disbelievers say, “This ˹Quran˺ is nothing but a fabrication which he made up with the help of others.” Their claim is totally unjustified and untrue! (Holy Quran 25:4)

And they say, “˹These revelations are only˺ ancient fables which he has had written down, and they are rehearsed to him morning and evening.” (Holy Quran 25:5)

Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “This ˹Quran˺ has been revealed by the One Who knows the secrets of the heavens and the earth. Surely He is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” Holy Quran 25:6

The Messenger has cried, “O my Lord! My people have indeed received this Quran with neglect.” Similarly, We made enemies for every prophet from among the wicked, but sufficient is your Lord as a Guide and Helper. Holy Quran 25:30-31

They have certainly denied ˹the truth˺, so they will soon face the consequences of their ridicule. Holy Quran 26:6

Migration to Medina
When the situation became out of control, Prophet (PBUH) left Mecca and migrated to Medina to safeguard the lives & interests of his persecuted followers.

The people of Medina were generous and they not only welcomed him to their city but also converted to Islam en-masse.

Meccans did not let him live in peace even there and tried to raid Medina. They attacked Medina and its business caravans several times until they were finally defeated in a war.

The companions of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) would often weep at his poverty and austere lifestyle. Commenting on the persona of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), Ali Eteraz writes-

That you could lose your parents within your first eight years and still become a man; that you could lose your family and their protection and still become a leader; that you could lose numerous sons at that age in which children are the most innocent and still be compassionate;

that you could have stones thrown at your head till pools of blood accumulated in your shoes and still not give in to vengeance; that you could have your uncle impaled upon spears and his heart literally eaten and still forgive the killers;

that you could sleep on mats of hay and still be regal; that you could be so lonely that rather than sitting in the city circles you had to withdraw to caves and yet still come down with a book like the Quran; in this survival, no, affirmation of life, is a miracle that underlies Islam.

Indeed, he was a prophet adorned in simplicity and austerity. He was untouched by the slightest of hubris, and yet Quran reminded him repeatedly that he is but a plain Warner, probably for the sake of abundant caution.

Al-Quran 46:9 Say [O Muhammad], ‘I am not the first of God’s messengers, and I do not know what will be done with me or with you: I do not follow anything but what is revealed to me, and I am merely a plain Warner.’
Al-Quran 42:27 And if Allah had extended [excessively] provision for His servants, they would have committed tyranny throughout the earth. But He sends [it] down in an amount which He wills. Indeed He is, of His servants, Acquainted and Seeing.
A Religion with Subaltern Roots
It can be seen all over the world, that most of the world religions as they exist today have been the product of rich persons from influential backgrounds. Even if they had a humble beginning, they had been monopolized and patronized by elite rulers and classes.

In several cultures/civilizations like those of the Jews and Brahmins, there was and still is the firm belief that amongst all human beings only they are the people chosen by God to preside over the affairs of religion and matters connected thereto.

So it was natural for people with such thinking to object get irked when a simple and poor person like Muhammad (s) declared himself not only the messenger of God but also the last and final one to receive direct revelations from the Almighty (in form of Quran) and to convey it to all Humankind. Holy Quran elaborately responds to such objections and queries.

Thanks for your good response : you are appreciated!

iamrealdeji:

You're not different from Quraishi people.

One can easily discern from the Holy Quran, several Hadiths, and other Islamic literature that Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) came from a poor and humble family background, and most of the time he led an austere and ascetic life.

He became orphaned in his childhood and was raised under the care of his grandfather Abd al-Muttalib, and upon his death, by his uncle Abu Talib (may Allah bless them all).

There are hundreds of hadiths that show that the Prophet (PBUH) led a life of poverty and austerity.

I am different from the Quareish people o:
1. I am not an idolater
2. I ask Questions because I am fairly knowledgeable
3. I don't accept things which doesn't make sense

I do not doubt that Mohammed had a humble beginning. He became rich only after marrying Khadija and lost all the wealth a few years after her death.

iamrealdeji:

Umar ibn al-Khattab (r) reported: “I visited Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), and he was lying on a mat. I sat down and he drew up his lower garment over him and he had nothing (else) over him, and that the mat had left its marks on his sides. I looked with my eyes in the storeroom of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him). I found only a handful of barley and an equal quantity of the leaves of Mimosa Flava and a semi-tanned leather bag hanging (in one side), and I was moved to tears (on seeing this extremely austere living of the Holy Prophet), and he said: Ibn Khattab, what wakes you weep? I said: Apostle of Allah, why should I not shed tears? This mat has left its marks on your sides and I do not see in your storeroom (except these few things) that I have seen; Caesars (Roman Emperors) and Khosrows (Persian Emperors) are leading their lives in plenty whereas you are Allah’s Messenger. His chosen one, and that is your store! He said: Ibn Khattab, aren’t you satisfied that for us (there should be the prosperity) of the Hereafter, and for them (there should be the prosperity of) this world? I said: Yes.” Sahih Muslim Book 9, Number 3507

Narrated ‘Aisha (wife of Prophet): A complete month would pass by during which we would not make a fire (for cookinIg), and our food used to be only dates and water unless we were given a present of some meat. Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 76, Number 465

Narrated ‘Amir bin Al-Harith: Allah’s Apostle (Prophet Muhammad) did not leave a Dinar or a Dirham or a male or a female slave. He left only his white mule on which he used to ride, and his weapons, and a piece of land which he gave in charity for the needy travelers. Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 59, Number 738

Narrated Anas: Allah’s Apostle was neither very tall nor short, neither absolutely white nor deep brown. His hair was neither curly nor lank. Allah sent him (as an Apostle) when he was forty years old. Afterward, he resided in Mecca for ten years and in Medina for ten more years. When Allah took him unto Him, there were scarcely twenty white hairs in his head and beard. Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 56, Number 748

Narrated Anas: The Prophet (ﷺ) did not eat at a table till he died, and he did not eat a thin nicely baked wheat bread till he died. Sahih al-Bukhari 6450

Narrated Abu Huraira: The family of Muhammad did not eat their fill for three successive days till he died. Sahih al-Bukhari 5374

It was narrated that Anas said: “I never saw the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) eat from a dish until he died.” Sunan Ibn Majah 3293

Narrated Anas: To the best of my knowledge, the Prophet (ﷺ) did not take his meals in a big tray at all, nor did he ever eat well-baked thin bread, nor did he ever eat at a dining table. Sahih al-Bukhari 5386

Simplicity and Austerity
Even when he presided over an Islamic authority in Madinah by the grace of Allah s.w.t., he steered away from all aspects of affluence and extravagance, and yet diligently performed all his duties towards his family, society, and nation.

It has been recorded in several hadiths that if some wealth came to his possession in the morning, by sunset he would distribute them amongst the needy. He lived in a house made of mud and straws and prayed in a sheepfold. The first mosque that he got constructed in Madina was made of mud and straws.

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 421- Narrated Abu Al-Taiyah: Anas said- ‘Prophet Muhammad prayed in the sheepfold, Later on, I heard him saying, “He prayed in the sheepfolds before the construction of the mosque.”
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 8, Number 437- Narrated ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Umar- ‘In the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle the mosque was built of adobes (clay), its roof of the leaves of date palms and its pillars of the stems of date-palms. Abu Bakr did not alter it. ‘Umar expanded it on the same pattern as it was in the lifetime of Allah’s Apostle by using adobes, leaves of date palms, and changing the pillars into wooden ones. ‘Uthman changed it by expanding it to a great extent and built its walls with engraved stones and lime and made its pillars of engraved stones and its roof of teak wood.
Grazing Sheep and Camels

Like many other Prophets (peace be upon them all), Prophet Muhammad (s) also grazed sheep and herded cattle in childhood.
In his childhood, he grazed sheep and camels as a shepherd, and in his youth, he did not shy away from manual labor. He proudly praised the meal earned by manual labor and hard work as the best meal as can be observed from the Hadith below.

Sahih al-Bukhari 2262 Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (ﷺ) said, “Allah did not send any prophet but shepherded sheep.” His companions asked him, “Did you do the same?” The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, “Yes, I used to shepherd the sheep of the people of Mecca for some Qirats.”
Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 286: Narrated Al-Miqdam: The Prophet said, “Nobody has ever eaten a better meal than that which one has earned by working with one’s own hands. The Prophet of Allah, David used to eat from the earnings of his manual labor.”
Most companions of Prophet (s) also came from humble backgrounds and engaged in manual labor for sustenance. Some of them later became rich though with their hard work and with the blessings of Allah as can be ascertained from the hadith below-

Sahih al-Bukhari 2071 Narrated Aisha: The companions of Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) used to practice manual labor, so their sweat used to smell, and they were advised to take a bath.
Sahih al-Bukhari 2273 Narrated Abu May’ id Al-Ansari: Whenever Allah’s Messenger (ﷺ) ordered us to give in charity we would go to the market and work as porters to earn a Mudd (two handfuls) (of foodstuff) but now some of us have one-hundred thousand Dirhams or Diners. (The sub-narrator) Shaqiq said, “I think Abu Mas`ud meant himself by saying (some of us).
Further, as per Islamic injunctions, the wages are an earned right, not a charity. In a well-documented hadith, the Prophet (s) stated to pay the worker his dues before his sweat has dried up.

Sunan Ibn Majah Vol. 3, Book 16, Hadith 2443: It was narrated from ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar that the Messenger of Allah (s) said: “Give the worker his wages before his sweat dries”
Marriage with Khadija (RA)
Later he got some clerical work in the household of an influential businesswoman named Khadija (r) who also happened to be a widow. Taking advantage of her condition, her employees often embezzled the gains of her businesses.

So when Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) worked honestly for her, she was impressed and later proposed to marry him. The Prophet (PBUH) agreed after consulting with his elders and it was by all counts a happy marriage.

When he (PBUH) was told about his prophethood while meditating in a cave (named Hira), he trembled with fear. His wife Bibi Khadija (ra) consoled him and said-

ALLAH (GOD) WILL NEVER DISGRACE YOU. YOU UNITE UTERINE RELATIONS; YOU BEAR THE BURDEN OF THE WEAK; YOU HELP THE POOR AND THE NEEDY, YOU HONOUR YOUR GUESTS AND ENDURE HARDSHIPS IN THE PATH OF TRUTHFULNESS.

Humiliations and Mockings
When he started preaching the message of Allah, people made fun of him. His own tribe turned against him and he was mercilessly abused & mocked.

People not only did accuse him of hypocrisy but also labeled him with insinuating epithets.

When he used to pass down a street, many would spit on him and many would pour trash from above.

And when he prayed near the Kaba, some mischievous people would place dung, blood, and the abdominal contents of dead animals around his neck.

Narrated Amar ibn Maimuin- ‘Abdullah bin Masud said, While Allah’s Apostle was praying beside the Kaba, there were some Quraish people sitting in a gathering. One of them said, ‘Don’t you see this (who does deeds just to show off)? Who amongst you can go and bring the dung, blood, and the abdominal contents (intestines, etc) of the slaughtered camels of the family of so and so and then wait till he prostrates and put that in between his shoulders?’ The most unfortunate amongst them went and when Allah’s Apostle prostrated, he put them between his shoulders. The Prophet remained in prostration and they laughed so much so that they fell on each other.’ Sahih Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 9, Number 499

But when all this could not stop Islam from expanding in leaps and bounds with the grace of Allah s.w.t., rich Arabs started threatening him and even made several attempts on his life and on the lives of his followers.

His followers were generally poor people like him and they faced a severe socio-economic boycott from all sides.

The Holy Quran also contains verses on the humiliation and insult of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) at the hands of powerful elites of Mecca.

See ˹O Prophet˺ how they call you names! So they have gone so ˹far˺ astray that they cannot find the ˹Right˺ Way. Holy Quran 25:9

And they say ˹mockingly˺, “What kind of messenger is this who eats food and goes about in market-places ˹for a living˺? If only an angel had been sent down with him to be his co-warner, or (why is not) treasure thrown down unto him, or why hath he not a paradise from whence to eat? And the evil-doers say: Ye are but following a man bewitched. (Holy Quran 25:7-

We never sent any messenger before you ˹O Prophet˺, who did not eat food and go about in market-places. We have made some of you a trial for others. Will you ˹not then˺ be patient? And your Lord is All-Seeing. Holy Quran 25-20

The Powerful disbelievers and idol worshippers of Mecca often mocked Holy Quran and called it a wishful thinking Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

The disbelievers say, “This ˹Quran˺ is nothing but a fabrication which he made up with the help of others.” Their claim is totally unjustified and untrue! (Holy Quran 25:4)

And they say, “˹These revelations are only˺ ancient fables which he has had written down, and they are rehearsed to him morning and evening.” (Holy Quran 25:5)

Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “This ˹Quran˺ has been revealed by the One Who knows the secrets of the heavens and the earth. Surely He is All-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” Holy Quran 25:6

The Messenger has cried, “O my Lord! My people have indeed received this Quran with neglect.” Similarly, We made enemies for every prophet from among the wicked, but sufficient is your Lord as a Guide and Helper. Holy Quran 25:30-31

They have certainly denied ˹the truth˺, so they will soon face the consequences of their ridicule. Holy Quran 26:6

Mohammed was poor after the death of Khadija. This was why he received inspiration for his followers to start raiding the Caravans

However, by the time Mohammed moved to Medina, he had become powerful and Wealthy.

1.Is it true that 20% of the best of booties from war belong to Mohammed and others share the remaining?

2. Is it true that each of Mohammed's wives had her own room and servants who attend to them?

3. Is it true that Allah instructs you Muslims to not go to inquire from Mohammed without giving him something?

4. Is it true that Mohammed at Medina did not have a business, trade or vocation to supplied his needs?

5. Is it true that after a raid on the Jewish communities antagonistic to Mohammed, their wealth become shared by the Muslims?

If these are true, how are these fitting for a poor man with no business but with 13 wives?

iamrealdeji:

Migration to Medina
When the situation became out of control, Prophet (PBUH) left Mecca and migrated to Medina to safeguard the lives & interests of his persecuted followers.

The people of Medina were generous and they not only welcomed him to their city but also converted to Islam en-masse.

Meccans did not let him live in peace even there and tried to raid Medina. They attacked Medina and its business caravans several times until they were finally defeated in a war.

The companions of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) would often weep at his poverty and austere lifestyle. Commenting on the persona of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH), Ali Eteraz writes-

That you could lose your parents within your first eight years and still become a man; that you could lose your family and their protection and still become a leader; that you could lose numerous sons at that age in which children are the most innocent and still be compassionate;

that you could have stones thrown at your head till pools of blood accumulated in your shoes and still not give in to vengeance; that you could have your uncle impaled upon spears and his heart literally eaten and still forgive the killers;

that you could sleep on mats of hay and still be regal; that you could be so lonely that rather than sitting in the city circles you had to withdraw to caves and yet still come down with a book like the Quran; in this survival, no, affirmation of life, is a miracle that underlies Islam.

Indeed, he was a prophet adorned in simplicity and austerity. He was untouched by the slightest of hubris, and yet Quran reminded him repeatedly that he is but a plain Warner, probably for the sake of abundant caution.

Al-Quran 46:9 Say [O Muhammad], ‘I am not the first of God’s messengers, and I do not know what will be done with me or with you: I do not follow anything but what is revealed to me, and I am merely a plain Warner.’
Al-Quran 42:27 And if Allah had extended [excessively] provision for His servants, they would have committed tyranny throughout the earth. But He sends [it] down in an amount which He wills. Indeed He is, of His servants, Acquainted and Seeing.
A Religion with Subaltern Roots
It can be seen all over the world, that most of the world religions as they exist today have been the product of rich persons from influential backgrounds. Even if they had a humble beginning, they had been monopolized and patronized by elite rulers and classes.

In several cultures/civilizations like those of the Jews and Brahmins, there was and still is the firm belief that amongst all human beings only they are the people chosen by God to preside over the affairs of religion and matters connected thereto.

So it was natural for people with such thinking to object get irked when a simple and poor person like Muhammad (s) declared himself not only the messenger of God but also the last and final one to receive direct revelations from the Almighty (in form of Quran) and to convey it to all Humankind. Holy Quran elaborately responds to such objections and queries.

Thanks for feeding me with the history of Mohammed and Islam. However, you didn't answer ANY of my own Questionswith regards to the teachings of the Qur'an.

I will simplify my Questions if you don't mind.

Quran 19:19
19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.


It has been traditionally adopted by Muslims that the statement in Qur'an 19:19 is made by Jibril.

Thus,
Who is the one bestowing the child to Mary?
Is it Jibril or Allah?

Kobojunkie:
1. I believe they are more your people since you also subscribe to a religion of your own, something God also never gave to men.

If you submit to ANY Deity, the manner in which you do so is called Religion my dear.

Do you submit to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Are their things you DO to show your submission to Him?

If your answer is Yes, then you have a Religion

Of course, NOT ONE Religion in the world can save: Not Christianity nor Islam nor Judaism nor Buddhism nor ATR etc can save.

Only Jesus Saves!

Kobojunkie:

2. You mean kind of like you also don't believe Jesus Christ when He says things like God sent Him only to the Lost sheep of Israel or when He says that it is only when you do as He commands that you in fact reveal you are true of Him? Religion, I have come to accept as Jesus Christ said, does crazy things to the mind and causes people to live as hypocrites — claiming with their mouths to believe in a thing all while their actions reveal something entirely different.

I think Jesus answered this question

Mat 7:21:
"Not every one that said to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that does the will of my Father which is in heaven."

Jesus doesn't care about hypocrites

Kobojunkie:

3. If their religion tells them that they will enter Mohammed's paradise at the end of the day who are you to decide for them that they can?

I asked about YOUR opinion!

Kobojunkie:

4. So long as you don't pretend any of what you do is of Jesus Christ, I don't mind one bit.

I am a bond servant of Christ. My passion for the salvation of Muslims stems from the fact that I was almost converted to Islam through Taqqiya my 200L of the University.

It was in the process of asking Questions based on my study of Islam/Qur'an that saved me from this deception.

TenQ:
■ If you submit to ANY Deity, the manner in which you do so is called Religion my dear.
■ Do you submit to the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob? Are their things you DO to show your submission to Him? If your answer is Yes, then you have a Religion Of course, NOT ONE Religion in the world can save: Not Christianity nor Islam nor Judaism nor Buddhism nor ATR etc can save. Only Jesus Saves!
■ I think Jesus answered this question [i]Mat 7:21: Jesus doesn't care about hypocrites
■ I asked about YOUR opinion! I am a bond servant of Christ. My passion for the salvation of Muslims stems from the fact that I was almost converted to Islam through Taqqiya my 200L of the University.It was in the process of asking Questions based on my study of Islam/Qur'an that saved me from this deception.

1. Not according to Scripture where submitting to God's Law in the Kingdom of God is more akin to submitting to and abiding by the Constitutional Law in your country of residence than it does any of your many religions.

2. There is nothing I do to "show" anything. Even prayers, He commands I do in secret. He is God who sees things done in secret you know. I simply submit and obey His Law as mandated by Him.

3. And Jesus Christ's description of all those who embrace religion is exactly that, hypocrites!

4. Here's the situation here. God sent Jesus Christ only to the Lost sheep of Isreal meaning that all other people are free to embrace whatever God or religion that does not pretend to be of Jesus Christ. So, if God Himself gave these people the freedom to serve any gods of their choice yet you feel you know better than He does, then whose problem is it?

Your going after the Muslims is your own cup of Tea and not God's. God did not send anyone to save Muslims. All God and Jesus Christ instead did was send His followers out to teach His Gospel to the Lost sheep of Israel, whom you don't care much about as your personal vendetta is focused against the Muslims, and maybe atheists on occasion.

My one and only focus is Jesus Christ, the Truth of God.

Kobojunkie:
1. Not according to Scripture where submitting to God's Law in the Kingdom of God is more akin to submitting to and abiding by the Constitutional Law in your country of residence than it does any of your many religions.

I was defining Religion as the manner in which a person submits to his Deity!

Is this definition wrong?
Don't you submit to the God of Abraham?

Kobojunkie:

2. There is nothing I do to "show" anything. Even prayers, He commands I do in secret. He is God who sees things done in secret you know. I simply submit and obey His Law as mandated by Him.

You don't have to show anything!
All that is necessary to have a Religion is to SUBMIT to your Deity according to his rules.

Kobojunkie:

3. And Jesus Christ's description of all those who embrace religion is exactly that, hypocrites!

Jesus calls those who Pretend to SUBMIT to the God of Abraham according to His Rules Hypocrites!

Do you disagree with this?

Kobojunkie:

4. Here's the situation here. God sent Jesus Christ only to the Lost sheep of Isreal meaning that all other people are free to embrace whatever God or religion that does not pretend to be of Jesus Christ. So, if God Himself gave these people the freedom to serve any gods of their choice yet you feel you know better than He does, then whose problem is it?

Really!?
1. The Gospel of SALVATION Must be preached all over the world my sister
Mat 24:14:
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations; and then shall the end come."

2. Jesus commands us his Disciples to make Disciples of ALL nations
Mat 28:19-20:
"Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and, see, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen."

3. The Command is to Go into ALL the world to preach the Gospel
Mar 16:15:
"And he said to them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

This doctrine of yourself is certainly not from Jesus

Kobojunkie:

Your going after the Muslims is your own cup of Tea and not God's. God did not send anyone to save Muslims. All God and Jesus Christ instead did was send His followers out to teach His Gospel to the Lost sheep of Israel, whom you don't care much about as your personal vendetta is focused against the Muslims, and maybe atheists on occasion.

My one and only focus is Jesus Christ, the Truth of God.

I have shown you enough Scriptures of the DIRECT COMMAND of Jesus to us His Disciples. The mandate is ALL the world ma!
John 3:16:
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

John 3:17:
"For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."


That is why the scripture isnt:
"For God so loved the world JEWS, that he gave his only begotten Son

"For God sent not his Son into the world ISRAEL to condemn the JEWS world


Finally,
What happens to those who REJECT the Gospel of Christ (Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Christian Religionists etc)?

John 3:18-19:
"He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."

TenQ:
■ I was defining Religion as the manner in which a person submits to his Deity! Is this definition wrong?
Don't you submit to the God of Abraham?
■ You don't have to show anything! All that is necessary to have a Religion is to SUBMIT to your Deity according to his rules.
■ Jesus calls those who Pretend to SUBMIT to the God of Abraham according to His Rules Hypocrites! Do you disagree with this?
■ Really!?
1. The Gospel of SALVATION Must be preached all over the world my sister Mat 24:14:
2. Jesus commands us his Disciples to make Disciples of ALL nations [i]Mat 28:19-20:
3. The Command is to Go into ALL the world to preach the Gospel [i]Mar 16:15:
This doctrine of yourself is certainly not from Jesus
■ I have shown you enough Scriptures of the DIRECT COMMAND of Jesus to us His Disciples. The mandate is ALL the world ma! [i]John 3:16: "...That is why the scripture isnt:
■ Finally, What happens to those who REJECT the Gospel of Christ (Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Animists, Christian Religionists etc)?[i]John 3:18-19:

1. Again, religion is instead submission to the doctrines and traditions of men — your various religious leaders and authorities— rather than to God.

2. Religion is based on the doctrines and traditions of the men — lies spun by those who rule as deities over you - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 10 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13. This is nothing close to that which is of God. Notice how you continue to reject Jesus Christ's own explanation of this all so you can assert in its place that which pleases you?

3. This is how Jesus Christ describes what it means to be a Hypocrite

7 You are hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he spoke for God about you:
8 ‘These people honor me with their words, but I am not really important to them.
9 Their worship of me is worthless. The things they teach are only human rules.’” - Matthew 15 vs 7 - 9

...

6 Jesus answered, “You are all hypocrites. Isaiah was right when he wrote these words from God about you:‘These people honor me with their words, but I am not really important to them.
7 Their worship of me is worthless. The things they teach are only human rules.’
8 You have stopped following God’s commands, preferring instead the man-made rules you got from others.”
9 Then he said, “You show great skill in avoiding the commands of God so that you can follow your own teachings! - Mark 7 vs 6 - 9

4. So the same Jesus Christ is not also recorded to have said the following?

24 Jesus answered, “God sent me only to the lost people[d] of Israel.” - Matthew 15 vs 24

I am immediately reminded of what Jesus Christ said hypocrites do, in Mark 7 vs 9

5. I am afraid all you have done here is continue to reveal you don't really care for God as it is your narrative that you believe matters the most here, something Jesus Christ said of hypocrites.

6. The same thing God proclaimed would happen to them before Jesus Christ showed up 2000 years ago for the Lost sheep of Israel. They would perish in the grave as judged by God in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24.

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, religion is instead submission to the doctrines and traditions of men — your various religious leaders and authorities— rather than to God.

2. Religion is based on the doctrines and traditions of the men — lies spun by those who rule as deities over you - Matthew 15 vs 1 - 10 & Mark 7 vs 1 - 13. This is nothing close to that which is of God. Notice how you continue to reject Jesus Christ's own explanation of this all so you can assert in its place that which pleases you?

Can you please quote ANY dictionary definition of Religion for us to see if it matches your definition?

Kobojunkie:

3. This is how Jesus Christ describes what it means to be a Hypocrite
...

Can you contrast with the definition I presented?

Kobojunkie:

4. So the same Jesus Christ is not also recorded to have said the following?
I am immediately reminded of what Jesus Christ said hypocrites do, in Mark 7 vs 9

5. I am afraid all you have done here is continue to reveal you don't really care for God as it is your narrative that you believe matters the most here, something Jesus Christ said of hypocrites.

6. The same thing God proclaimed would happen to them before Jesus Christ showed up 2000 years ago for the Lost sheep of Israel. They would perish in the grave as judged by God in Genesis 3 vs 16 - 24.

I think you should study your Bible before answering these questions
1. Is it UNTRUE that BEFORE Jesus's Crucifixion, He said that He was Sent only to Israel and He sent His Disciples only to Israel.
2. Is it UNTRUE that AFTER Jesus's Resurrection , He sent His Disciples to ALL the WORLD?

3. Are you saying that Jesus Did NOT command we His Disciples to GO into ALL the WORLD, PREACH and Make Disciples of ALL Nations?

TenQ:
■ Can you please quote ANY dictionary definition of Religion for us to see if it matches your definition?
■ Can you contrast with the definition I presented?
■I think you should study your Bible before answering these questions
1. Is it UNTRUE that BEFORE Jesus's Crucifixion, He said that He was Sent only to Israel and He sent His Disciples only to Israel.
2. Is it UNTRUE that AFTER Jesus's Resurrection , He sent His Disciples to ALL the WORLD?
■Are you saying that Jesus Did NOT command we His Disciples to GO into ALL the WORLD, PREACH and Make Disciples of ALL Nations?

1. So the definition provided by Prophet Isaiah, and repeated in the Gospels by Jesus Christ is not good enough?

2. Because your definition matters where God is concerned? Even though God clearly gave you what you should hold to, you would rather it be according to you and your whim?

3. Oh, I studied and I am certain it does not as far as the Gospel is concerned whether the command was given before or after death because God's Word and decree is EVERLASTING — unchanging.

4. Jesus did in fact send His disciples into all the world ONLY to the Lost sheep of Israel who He was sent to by the Father. And I believe this is something you refuse to entertain because, as Jesus Christ made clear, you would rather this narrative suits your whims — the doctrines and traditions of men.

Kobojunkie:
1. So the definition provided by Prophet Isaiah, and repeated in the Gospels by Jesus Christ is not good enough?

2. Because your definition matters where God is concerned? Even though God clearly gave you what you should hold to, you would rather it be according to you and your whim?

There is no where the word Religion was defined in the old testament or the gospels. You can show me the verses if you disagree!

Kobojunkie:

3. Oh, I studied and I am certain it does not as far as the Gospel is concerned whether the command was given before or after death because God's Word and decree is EVERLASTING — unchanging.

Poor you!

You don't care!?

Luk 22:35-36:
"And he said to them, When I sent you without purse, and money, and shoes, lacked you any thing? And they said, Nothing. Then said he to them, But now, he that has a purse, let him take it, and likewise his money: and he that has no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one."

Kobojunkie:

4. Jesus did in fact send His disciples into all the world ONLY to the Lost sheep of Israel who He was sent to by the Father. And I believe this is something you refuse to entertain because, as Jesus Christ made clear, you would rather this narrative suits your whims — the doctrines and traditions of men.

All these scriptures refer to the Lost Tribes of Israel!? No wonder you are always decimated whenever you chat with Muslims on Nairaland as you are not even guided by the scriptures you profess.


Mat 24:14:
"And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all nations; and then shall the end come."

Mat 28:19-20:
"Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatever I have commanded you: and, see, I am with you always, even to the end of the world. Amen."

Mar 16:15:
"And he said to them, Go you into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."

Why Does My Questions look difficult for you guys
I will try to make it simpler by reducing it to just one question.

I guess you will do me good by explaining to me the apparent contradiction between your Standard Islamic Narrative and the exact statement of the Quran

Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.


Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.


If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?


Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
Cc:
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Dear Vanessa7,
Since you should know just a little better than your fellow Muslims, can you help them out?


Except your mantra (as other Muslims) is:
"Don't confuse me with the Truth because I have already made up my mind!"


Question :
If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril ALSO (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?


You may call AntiChristian for help but he also has been dodging the questions : this is why the baton falls on you.

Did AntiChristian get tongue tied?

Question :
If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril ALSO (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?


Why a simple question difficult to answer?

TenQ:
Why Does My Questions look difficult for you guys
I will try to make it simpler by reducing it to just one question.

I guess you will do me good by explaining to me the apparent contradiction between your Standard Islamic Narrative and the exact statement of the Quran

Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.


Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.


If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?


Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
Cc:
All my Friends on Nairaland:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, aekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, atsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana , compton11, Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Encyclopedia1 , aheeqilmaktoom , Bintdawood , Flanker , Raheeqilmaktoom , rolams ,honesttalk21 , Negroid001 , Nvestor02 , Coolsat, iamrealdeji

You have obviously mistranslated 66:12. No where is vagina mentioned in that verse. The word chaste is the right word. And “something of Our spirit” is the phrase used, not “our spirit”. Christians, stop deceiving non-arabic speaking people with your deliberate mistranslations of the arabic Quran like you do with your bible. The Quran in pure arabic form is our manuscript which can never be changed. Go snd learn arabic if you what to understand Quran. Something of our spirit is different from our spirit.

TenQ:
Thanks for your good response : you are appreciated!

I am different from the Quareish people o:
1. I am not an idolater
2. I ask Questions because I am fairly knowledgeable
3. I don't accept things which doesn't make sense

I do not doubt that Mohammed had a humble beginning. He became rich only after marrying Khadija and lost all the wealth a few years after her death.




Mohammed was poor after the death of Khadija. This was why he received inspiration for his followers to start raiding the Caravans

However, by the time Mohammed moved to Medina, he had become powerful and Wealthy.

1.Is it true that 20% of the best of booties from war belong to Mohammed and others share the remaining?

2. Is it true that each of Mohammed's wives had her own room and servants who attend to them?

3. Is it true that Allah instructs you Muslims to not go to inquire from Mohammed without giving him something?

4. Is it true that Mohammed at Medina did not have a business, trade or vocation to supplied his needs?

5. Is it true that after a raid on the Jewish communities antagonistic to Mohammed, their wealth become shared by the Muslims?

If these are true, how are these fitting for a poor man with no business but with 13 wives?



Thanks for feeding me with the history of Mohammed and Islam. However, you didn't answer ANY of my own Questionswith regards to the teachings of the Qur'an.

I will simplify my Questions if you don't mind.

Quran 19:19
19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.


It has been traditionally adopted by Muslims that the statement in Qur'an 19:19 is made by Jibril.

Thus,
Who is the one bestowing the child to Mary?
Is it Jibril or Allah?

Christians have always been known to be liars because the bible is a book of lies,original bible was burnt by Persians. Any religion that's filled with lies,the followers must be chronic liars. You're not even making any sense again,even your fellow christians know you're just a liar. You know nothing about Islam,you don't even know 0.0001% about it,you even lied you were about to take your Shahada because you listened to lots of Hamed Didag but everything Deedat say about Islam,you say total opposite of it. You're just so addicted to making money from your flock of sheep and want to protect it with your last breath. You don't even love Jesus himself. I'm sure you don't have beards like him or where Islamic thobe gown like him just like Muslims dress because Jesus was a Muslim who used to prostrat to God like Muslims do. You guys are only in Christianity to extort. You've even stopped making sense. Religion of liars,no wonder why your fellow pastors and religious leaders said the man with P in his name will win the election. You're an extremely cunning and a great liar. I'm sure you will cause several rifts between your kids and cause several rifts among people,that's how Shayatins in human form talk.
You're not even creative in lying,your lies are too far fetched that everyone would know it's all lies. Your opinions don't count though,nobody hears the voice of a liar in Africa saying all the trash he has to say,Islam is spreading like wild fire,it's the world fastest growing religion and knowledgeable people, people that are better than you in every way are the main reverts. I'm sure you will start burning Quran like your Swedish bible too. Islam is too special for you because it's the only religion of God,Muhammad is too special and you envy him so much because he's billion times more handsome than you with shoulder length long hair,he's billion times more famous than you,he's prayed for by billions of people everyday while your parents even forget to pray for you in some days and they are one of the few or probably the only people that pray for you,Muhammad is talked about every second by everybody in the world since over 1400 years ago. Muhammad's name is the world most popular and commonest name people give to their children,even non of your siblings would probably never name their kids after you. You're hating Islam and Muhammad out of envy and inferiority complex. You hate Muhammad so much because you're far lower even than his shoe or one strand of his hair,nobody recognizes you but he's always the topic of discussion by Muslims and non Muslims everyday. You hate Muhammad because you're extremely jealous of him because you're totally billions of times inferior to him. You would never even talk of Ogun,Sango,Amadioha,Buddha,etc because they have nothing to be envied but Muhammad ﷺ is everything to be envied and a special being. But you have to realize if you hate a person that is billions of light years ahead of you in every way,the more the backwardness you will face in life. So,your replies are not in anyway making any sense,they just nothing but words of envy and jealousy

iamrealdeji:
Christians have always been known to be liars because the bible is a book of lies,original bible was burnt by Persians. Any religion that's filled with lies,the followers must be chronic liars. You're not even making any sense again,even your fellow christians know you're just a liar. You know nothing about Islam,you don't even know 0.0001% about it,you even lied you were about to take your Shahada because you listened to lots of Hamed Didag but everything Deedat say about Islam,you say total opposite of it. You're just so addicted to making money from your flock of sheep and want to protect it with your last breath. You don't even love Jesus himself. I'm sure you don't have beards like him or where Islamic thobe gown like him just like Muslims dress because Jesus was a Muslim who used to prostrat to God like Muslims do. You guys are only in Christianity to extort. You've even stopped making sense. Religion of liars,no wonder why your fellow pastors and religious leaders said the man with P in his name will win the election. You're an extremely cunning and a great liar. I'm sure you will cause several rifts between your kids and cause several rifts among people,that's how Shayatins in human form talk.
You're not even creative in lying,your lies are too far fetched that everyone would know it's all lies. Your opinions don't count though,nobody hears the voice of a liar in Africa saying all the trash he has to say,Islam is spreading like wild fire,it's the world fastest growing religion and knowledgeable people, people that are better than you in every way are the main reverts. I'm sure you will start burning Quran like your Swedish bible too. Islam is too special for you because it's the only religion of God,Muhammad is too special and you envy him so much because he's billion times more handsome than you with shoulder length long hair,he's billion times more famous than you,he's prayed for by billions of people everyday while your parents even forget to pray for you in some days and they are one of the few or probably the only people that pray for you,Muhammad is talked about every second by everybody in the world since over 1400 years ago. Muhammad's name is the world most popular and commonest name people give to their children,even non of your siblings would probably never name their kids after you. You're hating Islam and Muhammad out of envy and inferiority complex. You hate Muhammad so much because you're far lower even than his shoe or one strand of his hair,nobody recognizes you but he's always the topic of discussion by Muslims and non Muslims everyday. You hate Muhammad because you're extremely jealous of him because you're totally billions of times inferior to him. You would never even talk of Ogun,Sango,Amadioha,Buddha,etc because they have nothing to be envied but Muhammad ﷺ is everything to be envied and a special being. But you have to realize if you hate a person that is billions of light years ahead of you in every way,the more the backwardness you will face in life. So,your replies are not in anyway making any sense,they just nothing but words of envy and jealousy

It is too easy to find the truth: just pose questions to catch the liar! LOL!

Question time:
Since you made some claims:

Let's assume that the original book of the Bible were burnt by the Persians
1. What is your source for this information
2. When was the Bible burned and by who?
3. Why was the Bible burnt by the Persians?


4.Is it an Islamic lie that Waraqa was known to copy the gospel and the torah?
5. Is it an Islamic lie that Mohammed placed his hands on the Torah and said "I believe in thee and the one who sent thee"?


AFTER THESE, ANSWER THE QUESTION BELOW


Question :
If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril ALSO (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?


Why a simple question difficult to answer?

Note:
My aim was not to emphasise on the Vulva or Vagina of Mary. It will defeat the purpose of my Question. But since you raised the topic., you are obliged!

drlateef:





You have obviously mistranslated 66:12. No where is vagina mentioned in that verse. The word chaste is the right word. And “something of Our spirit” is the phrase used, not “our spirit”. Christians, stop deceiving non-arabic speaking people with your deliberate mistranslations of the arabic Quran like you do with your bible. The Quran in pure arabic form is our manuscript which can never be changed. Go snd learn arabic if you what to understand Quran. Something of our spirit is different from our spirit.

Dr Lateef,
I shouldn't be the one teaching you Arabic : that was why I posted the Qur'an 66:12 in Arabic.

Quran 66:12
وَمَرْيَمَ ٱبْنَتَ عِمْرَٰنَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِنَا وَصَدَّقَتْ بِكَلِمَـٰتِ رَبِّهَا وَكُتُبِهِۦ وَكَانَتْ مِنَ ٱلْقَـٰنِتِينَ ١٢
Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.

1. What is the meaning of فَرْجَهَا (Farjaha) tell me it DOESN'T mean VULVA Of a woman?

2. Write in Arabic :
Jesus was born through the Vulva of Mary! let's see if you can avoid the word Farjah?


You should go back to Ile-Kewu!

drlateef:

You have obviously mistranslated 66:12. No where is vagina mentioned in that verse. The word chaste is the right word. And “something of Our spirit” is the phrase used, not “our spirit”. Christians, stop deceiving non-arabic speaking people with your deliberate mistranslations of the arabic Quran like you do with your bible. The Quran in pure arabic form is our manuscript which can never be changed. Go snd learn arabic if you what to understand Quran. Something of our spirit is different from our spirit.

Secondly,
Can you answer the question below?


Question :
If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril ALSO (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?


Why a simple question difficult to answer?

iamrealdeji:
Christians have always been known to be liars because the bible is a book of lies,original bible was burnt by Persians. Any religion that's filled with lies,the followers must be chronic liars. You're not even making any sense again,even your fellow christians know you're just a liar. You know nothing about Islam,you don't even know 0.0001% about it,you even lied you were about to take your Shahada because you listened to lots of Hamed Didag but everything Deedat say about Islam,you say total opposite of it. You're just so addicted to making money from your flock of sheep and want to protect it with your last breath. You don't even love Jesus himself. I'm sure you don't have beards like him or where Islamic thobe gown like him just like Muslims dress because Jesus was a Muslim who used to prostrat to God like Muslims do. You guys are only in Christianity to extort. You've even stopped making sense. Religion of liars,no wonder why your fellow pastors and religious leaders said the man with P in his name will win the election. You're an extremely cunning and a great liar. I'm sure you will cause several rifts between your kids and cause several rifts among people,that's how Shayatins in human form talk.
You're not even creative in lying,your lies are too far fetched that everyone would know it's all lies. Your opinions don't count though,nobody hears the voice of a liar in Africa saying all the trash he has to say,Islam is spreading like wild fire,it's the world fastest growing religion and knowledgeable people, people that are better than you in every way are the main reverts. I'm sure you will start burning Quran like your Swedish bible too. Islam is too special for you because it's the only religion of God,Muhammad is too special and you envy him so much because he's billion times more handsome than you with shoulder length long hair,he's billion times more famous than you,he's prayed for by billions of people everyday while your parents even forget to pray for you in some days and they are one of the few or probably the only people that pray for you,Muhammad is talked about every second by everybody in the world since over 1400 years ago. Muhammad's name is the world most popular and commonest name people give to their children,even non of your siblings would probably never name their kids after you. You're hating Islam and Muhammad out of envy and inferiority complex. You hate Muhammad so much because you're far lower even than his shoe or one strand of his hair,nobody recognizes you but he's always the topic of discussion by Muslims and non Muslims everyday. You hate Muhammad because you're extremely jealous of him because you're totally billions of times inferior to him. You would never even talk of Ogun,Sango,Amadioha,Buddha,etc because they have nothing to be envied but Muhammad ﷺ is everything to be envied and a special being. But you have to realize if you hate a person that is billions of light years ahead of you in every way,the more the backwardness you will face in life. So,your replies are not in anyway making any sense,they just nothing but words of envy and jealousy

Let's assume I don't know the Qur'an nor Islam. Why is it that whenever I ask you questions, you ignore it to begin to do mud slinging.

If you had answered my questions, you wouldn't be in this situation of yours

I reduced the Question to ONE :
If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril ALSO (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?


Why a simple question difficult to answer?

TenQ:

Secondly,
Can you answer the question below?


Question :
If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril ALSO (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?


Why a simple question difficult to answer?

Do you lack understanding? Your question is already answered by me in my earlier message.

TenQ:
Note:
My aim was not to emphasise on the Vulva or Vagina of Mary. It will defeat the purpose of my Question. But since you raised the topic., you are obliged!


Dr Lateef,
I shouldn't be the one teaching you Arabic : that was why I posted the Qur'an 66:12 in Arabic.

Quran 66:12
وَمَرْيَمَ ٱبْنَتَ عِمْرَٰنَ ٱلَّتِىٓ أَحْصَنَتْ فَرْجَهَا فَنَفَخْنَا فِيهِ مِن رُّوحِنَا وَصَدَّقَتْ بِكَلِمَـٰتِ رَبِّهَا وَكُتُبِهِۦ وَكَانَتْ مِنَ ٱلْقَـٰنِتِينَ ١٢
Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.

1. What is the meaning of فَرْجَهَا (Farjaha) tell me it DOESN'T mean VULVA Of a woman?

2. Write in Arabic :
Jesus was born through the Vulva of Mary! let's see if you can avoid the word Farjah?


You should go back to Ile-Kewu!

The spirit of Allah is Jubril. And Allah sends His spirit to breath into Mariam. Jubril did not enter Mariam but something from the spirit was breathed into Mariam. That’s the simple explanation.

As drlateef asked do you lack understanding?
Jibril appeared to Mary in the form of a man to inform her of what will/is happening?

If she discovered she was suddenly with child
would you have preferred more confusion.
Is the imperfection in language translation a problem or is it that the Quran is still in the original language of revelation that is the problem?

"And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of ‘Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: “Be!” and he was; that is ‘Iesa (Jesus) – son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah)".
Q16:12 (Muhsin Khan)

TenQ:

Let's assume I don't know the Qur'an nor Islam. Why is it that whenever I ask you questions, you ignore it to begin to do mud slinging.

If you had answered my questions, you wouldn't be in this situation of yours

I reduced the Question to ONE :
If we assume that in Quran 19:16-19, the Holy Spirit is Jibril Sent as a Messenger to Mary. Now, According to Qur'an 66:12, Was Jibril ALSO (spirit of Allah) blown into Mary?


Why a simple question difficult to answer?

You have in your Luke of the Bible.


30 The angel told her,
“Don’t be afraid, Mary. You have found favor [a] with God.
31 You will become pregnant, give birth to a son,
and name him Jesus.
32 He will be a great man
and will be called the Son of the Most High.
The Lord God will give him
the throne of his ancestor David.
33 Your son will be king of Jacob’s people forever,
and his kingdom will never end.”
34 Mary asked the angel, “How can this be? I’m a virgin.”

Maybe you can provide the Hebrew or Aramaic text for these verses with translations

honesttalk21:
As drlateef asked do you lack understanding?
Jibril appeared to Mary in the form of a man to inform her of what will/is happening?

If she discovered she was suddenly with child
would you have preferred more confusion.
Is the imperfection in language translation a problem or is it that the Quran is still in the original language of revelation that is the problem?

"And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of ‘Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: “Be!” and he was; that is ‘Iesa (Jesus) – son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah)".
Q16:12 (Muhsin Khan)

drlateef:




Do you lack understanding? Your question is already answered by me in my earlier message.

drlateef:




The spirit of Allah is Jubril. And Allah sends His spirit to breath into Mariam. Jubril did not enter Mariam but something from the spirit was breathed into Mariam. That’s the simple explanation.

1. Is there any Hadith or Tafsir or Qur'an that says that Angels are spirits?

Angels are made of Light according to Islam and not spirits.

2. Allah claimed that he himself blew into Mary of His spirit : is Allah a spirit?

3. Allah's spirit came as a Man (perfectly indistinguishable from any other) to Mary, how did he blow into Mary's Farjah?

4. If you claim that Jibril is a spirit: What is a Spirit?



Thanks you

honesttalk21:
As drlateef asked do you lack understanding?
Jibril appeared to Mary in the form of a man to inform her of what will/is happening?

If she discovered she was suddenly with child
would you have preferred more confusion.
Is the imperfection in language translation a problem or is it that the Quran is still in the original language of revelation that is the problem?

"And Maryam (Mary), the daughter of ‘Imran who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into (the sleeve of her shirt or her garment) through Our Ruh [i.e. Jibrael (Gabriel)], and she testified to the truth of the Words of her Lord [i.e. believed in the Words of Allah: “Be!” and he was; that is ‘Iesa (Jesus) – son of Maryam (Mary); as a Messenger of Allah], and (also believed in) His Scriptures, and she was of the Qanitin (i.e. obedient to Allah)".
Q16:12 (Muhsin Khan)

Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.


Quran 66:12
And Mary, daughter of 'Imran, who guarded her vagina, therefore We breathed into it of Our Spirit. And she put faith in the words of her Lord and His scriptures, and was of the obedient.


1. Allah claims he blew into Mary his spirit.
2. Allah claims he sent his spirit unto Mary in form of a perfect man.
3. The man said: that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.

Question :
1. Who bestowed Jesus to Mary: is it Allah or Jibril?
2. Are Angels spirits?
3. What is a spirit in Islam?

honesttalk21:
You have in your Luke of the Bible.


30 The angel told her,
“Don’t be afraid, Mary. You have found favor [a] with God.
31 You will become pregnant, give birth to a son,
and name him Jesus.
32 He will be a great man
and will be called the Son of the Most High.
The Lord God will give him
the throne of his ancestor David.
33 Your son will be king of Jacob’s people forever,
and his kingdom will never end.”
34 Mary asked the angel, “How can this be? I’m a virgin.”

Maybe you can provide the Hebrew or Aramaic text for these verses with translations

What specific do you want it's translation?

Luke 1:26-35 is simple
1. Mary is introduced as living in Nazareth a city of Galilee espoused to a man named Joseph from the clan of David.
2. The Angel came to Mary to deliver to her the message that she would be pregnant and would give birth to a Son whose name should be called JESUS.
3. And Jesus would be called the Son of God and he would have the Throne of David (Messiah)
4. Mary tells the Angel that this is impossible because she was a Virgin
5. The Angel explains How it will be (NOT by Him) but by the God Himself.
Luk 1:35:
"And the angel answered and said to her, The Holy Spirit shall come on you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God."

Mohammed heard this story but he didn't understand nor ask Questions : thus he muddled it up.

According to Luke 1:35,
It is impossible for one muddle up the identity of Gabriel and the Holy Spirit.

Gabriel was simply saying to Mary:
That impossible thing will be done by God Himself not Him. Gabriel was just a messenger!

John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."


Unfortunately, Mohammed muddled up An Angel with God's Spirit.



What is a Spirit in ISLAM?

Translations of the meaning of Quran 19:19
Mohsin Khan: (The angel) said: "I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son."

Sahih International: He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy."

Yusuf Ali: He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.

About the spirit you ask, it's stated in the Quran 17:85 that it is from the command of my Allah. And from the knowledge you are given only a little.

Since the angels are spiritual beings, they are also called ruh. The angel Jibreel (Gabriel) – who is the Angel of revelation and used to bring revelation to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon them both) is called in the Qur’an, Ar-Ruh.

Jesus’ birth took place in a miraculous way. His mother Maryam (may peace be upon her) was a virgin. Allah sent the Angel Gabriel to her who gave her news that she will bear a child by the Command of Allah in a miraculous way.

honesttalk21:
Translations of the meaning of Quran 19:19
Mohsin Khan: (The angel) said: "I am only a Messenger from your Lord, (to announce) to you the gift of a righteous son."

Sahih International: He said, "I am only the messenger of your Lord to give you [news of] a pure boy."

Yusuf Ali: He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a holy son.

No sir!
These your translations are lying.

What does the Arabic word لِأَهَبَ (li-ahaba) mean?

Is it not: " that I (may) bestow on "

I only ask you with humiliaty to check.


Here is it again both in Arabic and in English


Quran 19:16-19
وَٱذْكُرْ فِى ٱلْكِتَـٰبِ مَرْيَمَ إِذِ ٱنتَبَذَتْ مِنْ أَهْلِهَا مَكَانًۭا شَرْقِيًّۭا ١٦ فَٱتَّخَذَتْ مِن دُونِهِمْ حِجَابًۭا فَأَرْسَلْنَآ إِلَيْهَا رُوحَنَا فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا بَشَرًۭا سَوِيًّۭا ١٧ قَالَتْ إِنِّىٓ أَعُوذُ بِٱلرَّحْمَـٰنِ مِنكَ إِن كُنتَ تَقِيًّۭا ١٨ قَالَ إِنَّمَآ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَـٰمًۭا زَكِيًّۭا ١٩
Quran 19:16-19
16. And make mention of Mary in the Scripture, when she had withdrawn from her people to a chamber looking East, 17. And had chosen seclusion from them. Then We sent unto her Our Spirit and it assumed for her the likeness of a perfect man. 18. She said: Lo! I seek refuge in the Beneficent One from thee, if thou art Allah-fearing. 19. He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son.



There is NOTHING like
News or Announce in the verse

What we see is " that I (may) bestow on "

If your Islamic Narrative is correct, Jibril is the one BESTOWING a son to Mary

Do you know why the Quran says
Quran 17:85
that it is from the command of my Allah. And from the knowledge you are given only a little.

Because the Spirit is NOT Jibril. Mohammed didn't know the answer

honesttalk21:
About the spirit you ask, it's stated in the Quran 17:85 that it is from the command of my Allah. And from the knowledge you are given only a little.

Since the angels are spiritual beings, they are also called ruh. The angel Jibreel (Gabriel) – who is the Angel of revelation and used to bring revelation to Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon them both) is called in the Qur’an, Ar-Ruh.

Jesus’ birth took place in a miraculous way. His mother Maryam (may peace be upon her) was a virgin. Allah sent the Angel Gabriel to her who gave her news that she will bear a child by the Command of Allah in a miraculous way.

Angels are NEVER called Ruh in Islam. If you have any proof, I'm willing to learn.

I will prove it clearly that Jibril is NOT the Spirit.

From the Qur'an
Quran 78:38
The Day that the Spirit and the Angels will stand in rows, they will not speak except for one whom the Most Merciful permits, and he will say what is correct.
Qur'an 97:4
The Angels and the Spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees.

From the Hadiths :

Sunan an-Nasa'i 1048: Book 12, Hadith 20
It was narrated that Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to say when bowing: 'Subbuhun Quddusun Rabbul-mala'ikati war-ruh (Perfect, Most Holy, is the Lord of the angels and the spirit ).'"

Sahih Muslim 487a: Book 4, Hadith 253
'A'isha reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) used to pronounce while bowing and prostrating himself:
All Glorious, All Holy, Lord of the Angels and the Spirit.

Showing that Just as Allah is the Lord of Man, angels and Jinns, he is also the Lord of the Spirit


Note:
In the two hadiths, the word Spirit is SINGULAR



How?
1. Is Jibril NOT an Angel?
2. If Jibril is an Angel, then the verses above become meaningless

Allah is the creator and sustainer of all.

SAHIH INTERNATIONAL
And they ask you, [O Muhammad], about the soul. Say, “The soul is of the affair of my Lord. And mankind have not been given of knowledge except a little.”
See translations of 17:85
YUSUF ALI
They ask thee concerning the Spirit (of inspiration). Say: “The Spirit (cometh) by command of my Lord: of knowledge it is only a little that is communicated to you, (O men!)”

ABUL ALA MAUDUDI
They ask you about “the spirit”. Say: “The spirit descends by the command of my Lord, but you have been given only a little knowledge.”

MUHSIN KHAN
And they ask you (O Muhammad SAW) concerning the Ruh (the Spirit); Say: “The Ruh (the Spirit): it is one of the things, the knowledge of which is only with my Lord. And of knowledge, you (mankind) have been given only a little.”

Like said before the meaning of arabic words are associated with use in the sentence.
The Quran introduces the term ‘spirit’ (al-ruh) to encompass a set of non-material truths that have not been created in this world but instead originate from a higher realm and a more sublime universe. Among these matters is the human spirit, as Allah says in Quran 15:29 When I have completed shaping him and have breathed into him of My Spirit ( in respect of the creation of Adam)


Quran 78:38 refers to Angel Gabriel and other angels

Brb

TenQ:
Do you know why the Quran says
Quran 17:85
that it is from the command of my Allah. And from the knowledge you are given only a little.

Because the Spirit is NOT Jibril. Mohammed didn't know the answer




Angels are NEVER called Ruh in Islam. If you have any proof, I'm willing to learn.

I will prove it clearly that Jibril is NOT the Spirit.

From the Qur'an
Quran 78:38
The Day that the Spirit and the Angels will stand in rows, they will not speak except for one whom the Most Merciful permits, and he will say what is correct.
Qur'an 97:4
The Angels and the Spirit descend therein, by the permission of their Lord, with all decrees.

From the Hadiths :

Sunan an-Nasa'i 1048: Book 12, Hadith 20
It was narrated that Aishah said:
"The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to say when bowing: 'Subbuhun Quddusun Rabbul-mala'ikati war-ruh (Perfect, Most Holy, is the Lord of the angels and the spirit ).'"

Sahih Muslim 487a: Book 4, Hadith 253
'A'isha reported that the Messenger of Allah (may peace he upon him) used to pronounce while bowing and prostrating himself:
All Glorious, All Holy, Lord of the Angels and the Spirit.

Showing that Just as Allah is the Lord of Man, angels and Jinns, he is also the Lord of the Spirit


Note:
In the two hadiths, the word Spirit is SINGULAR



How?
1. Is Jibril NOT an Angel?
2. If Jibril is an Angel, then the verses above become meaningless