IjeBos:


Disagree. The argument of civility is always made by those in power or privilege to protect the status quo, where incivility will rock their power structure.

Ergo, when buda argues for civility buda is "those in power or privilege to protect the status quo", and buda does not want "incivility will rock their power structure", or does your above need some editing?

I don't quite get it.

budaatum:


And you don't understand how white supremacy can show up in classrooms or why how one gets even to the wrong answer in maths matters as a learning tool but would rather believe that buda would rather the standard for maths be reduced because you are black?

bemeruca, please, if that is what you understand and choose to believe buda believes, then so be it. I myself know the book talks about a lot more than what you understand. We have had the same white supremacy issues where I live whereby black kids were encouraged to become bus drivers and secretarys and nurses while their white classmates were driven to be doctors and lawyers and accountants. Lowering standards for black kids, which is what you understand this book is about, is very different and the opposite of even your "equity in maths" you'd find it you thought about it. Equity means to equally teach the same things the same way to the same standards, while reducing standards for black is its opposite! Are you suggesting buda supports both or might there be something wrong with your understanding?

Let me add that I am honoured that what you think buda believes matters and is so important to you, but rather than you using your mind reading skills to read buda's mind I'd suggest you actually ask buda.

you ask for it, i showed you. yes, it means lowering the standards for Black and Latinx.
I don't see how this topic is talking about encouraging kids to be bus drivers. We are talking about doing maths, showing you work. this is how you divert.

if that is the case, tell me which school in the US that segregate white kids from other people of color when they are in the same class? How are kids in the same class learning from the same teacher at the same time getting different teaching?

So how is it white supremacy:
when you require Black student and Latin Students to show their work or get the right answer?

I will like you to explain this.

budaatum:


Ergo, when buda argues for civility buda is "those in power or privilege to protect the status quo", and buda does not want "incivility will rock their power structure", or does your above need some editing?

I don't quite get it.

Not you per se, but it is a slogan for maintaining the status quo.
Here is a good piece.
https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2019/03/14/700897826/when-civility-is-used-as-a-cudgel-against-people-of-color

I have heated yet civil convos with my friends. But they are intelligent people who read voraciously and make coherent arguments. But the line of civility is drawn when people come for my right to exist.

Timesup2345:


Why are you attacking me bro? Did I mention you or did that picture I commented on have anything to do with you?

All I know is I came here and saw someone posting pictures of car and house, probably to pump his ego, since that seems to be all y’all do here, and I feel that kind of behavior needs to be discouraged on this thread.

Learn from Buda and make your contributions without personal attacks and malice. I don’t see what warrants you calling a person who knows nothing about you shameless. Resorting to insults is the behavior of a man who does not have confidence in his own opinions. Let’s be guided. Love and light. Hope you went to church today?

Mr. Civil, kindly explain to us why your last moniker was banned.

budaatum:


Regarding your image, you left out superiority, whereby you pays your monies and get what you buy. After all, America is not a communist country that practices the equity or justice in the image you added.

Justice of removing barriers for all would be great but as ideal as a complete capitalist system would be, which is why those who require support in their education should get it, be it extra tutoring or reduced fees and be they black or white, and thankfully America seems enlightened enough to provide both along with healthcare for those who can't afford it.

Anyone, however, reducing the pass mark in maths or any other subject for blacks or any one else is trying to enslave those people into mediocrity. And this book is not asking for any such reduction in standards, but for a recognition of why the student got to the wrong answer, which any good teacher would do any way because knowing how and why a student arrived at their wrong answer helps you lead them better to get the right answer themselves.

Those who require support will get it. everyone gets equal support. it becomes equity when you lower the standards for a particular set. and the book is implying not lowering the standards for that set is akin to white supremacy.

everywhere in the world it is the same standard for maths. you have to show you work and get the right answer... showing your work can give you 95% marks even if the answer is wrong. it means the instructor can see if you understand what you are doing and he will also understand where your mistake comes from. no one is perfect.

The book is saying those requirements negative to black and latinx

• The focus is on getting the “right” answer.
• Independent practice is valued over teamwork or collaboration.
• Students are required to “show their work.”
• Grading practices are focused on lack of knowledge.
• “Real-world math” is valued over math in the real world.
• Students are tracked (into courses/pathways and within the classroom).
• Participation structures reinforce dominant ways of being.

bemeruca:
you ask for it, i showed you. yes, it means lowering the standards for Black and Latinx.

You understand it to mean that. And what you fail to consider is that these students will eventually sit for Sats where the proper answer is what would enable them to pass.

When all these blacks and latinx all fail, would there not be hell to pay and lots of reputations tarnished, or is it your opinion people don't care about their reputation in litigal America where you could likely sue teacher who teaches you 2+2=2⅔?

bemeruca:

if that is the case, tell me which school in the US that segregate white kids from other people of color when they are in the same class? How are kids in the same class learning from the same teacher at the same time getting different teaching?

I'm not going to tell you which school anywhere, because that would be as absurd as asking you to show me a school where children are being taught the wrong answers to maths! You must have been to school yourself and noticed at least one kid who was discriminated against and therefore must know "How are kids in the same class learning from the same teacher at the same time getting different teaching" such that they don't get the same education everyone else got.

Equity does not only have to mean teacher teaching the same right answers in maths, but also the school providing an equal environment for every child to thrive and don't get black lives mattered or white supremed or anti gayed or anti womaned etc.

bemeruca:
So how is it white supremacy:
when you require Black student and Latin Students to show their work or get the right answer?

Sorry if this is what you understand, because nowhere did I say "require Black student and Latin Students to show their work or get the right answer" is "white supremacy", and you thinking I said so just indicates that you are getting the wrong understanding of what you read and are trying to insist that your understanding is what I wrote when it's glaringly obvious it isn't.

Reducing standards for blacks and latins, if done, is what idiots would do, and this book is not asking for a reduction of standards for anyone! Parents, black or Latin or poor, I don't think would send their children to substandard schools with substandard grading unless they are substandard themselves. State authorities that are responsible for standards in schools would object to such nonsense even if the school finds teachers stupid enough to condone it and I happen to know that a lot of black people are not substandard and want the best for their children, as do potential employers and even the government that collects tax, but despite all that, you want to believe that anyone is asking for lower standards for blacks and latins.

Sorry, but I really can not help you with your reason to think buda wants black and latins to be ignorant when my every day wish is that black Nigerians become more knowledgeable and smarter and wiser.

bemeruca:

The book is saying those requirements negative to black and latinx

This is just dishonest! What you posted was preceeded by the following:

We see white supremacy culture show up in the mathematics classroom even as we carry out our professional responsibilities outlined in the California Standards for the Teaching Profession (CSTP). Using CSTP as a framework, we see white supremacy culture in the mathematics classroom can show up when:

But you refuse to note what that means and god I don't know why I am wasting my time to be honest.

If you bother to read the California Education Code, you'd likely see that no one can teach 2+2=2⅔ to any student even if homeschooled.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codesTOCSelected.xhtml?tocCode=EDC&tocTitle=+Education+Code+-+EDC

California Code, Education Code - EDC § 201
Current as of January 01, 201

(a) All pupils have the right to participate fully in the educational process, free from discrimination and harassment.

(b) California's public schools have an affirmative obligation to combat racism, sexism, and other forms of bias, and a responsibility to provide equal educational opportunity.

(c) Harassment on school grounds directed at an individual on the basis of personal characteristics or status creates a hostile environment and jeopardizes equal educational opportunity as guaranteed by the California Constitution and the United States Constitution.

(d) There is an urgent need to prevent and respond to acts of hate violence and bias-related incidents that are occurring at an increasing rate in California's public schools.

(e) There is an urgent need to teach and inform pupils in the public schools about their rights, as guaranteed by the federal and state constitutions, in order to increase pupils' awareness and understanding of their rights and the rights of others, with the intention of promoting tolerance and sensitivity in public schools and in society as a means of responding to potential harassment and hate violence.

(f) It is the intent of the Legislature that each public school undertake educational activities to counter discriminatory incidents on school grounds and, within constitutional bounds, to minimize and eliminate a hostile environment on school grounds that impairs the access of pupils to equal educational opportunity.

(g) It is the intent of the Legislature that this chapter shall be interpreted as consistent with

https://codes.findlaw.com/ca/education-code/edc-sect-201/

Immediately after the "with" follows lots of federal and state laws regulating California schools, after which they bother to add except where this chapter may grant more protections or impose additional obligations, and that the remedies provided herein shall not be the exclusive remedies, but may be combined with remedies that may be provided by the above statutes, meaning they will even go further than that if necessary.

https://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nb-staff/2023/06/29/election-interference-mrc-poll-finds-most-cnn-msnbc-viewers-dont-know


Majority of viewers who rely on left wings have little or no knowledge of many issues.
Typical leftist brainwashing, now on suddenly on steroids because Joe Biden crimes are being exposed while Trump is undergoing inquisition.

https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2023/07/western_leaders_have_effectively_embraced_ukrainian_nazism.html


The real Nazis in Ukraine.

budaatum:


This is just dishonest! What you posted was preceeded by the following:

We see white supremacy culture show up in the mathematics classroom even as we carry out our professional responsibilities outlined in the California Standards for the Teaching Profession (CSTP). Using CSTP as a framework, we see white supremacy culture in the mathematics classroom can show up when:

But you refuse to note what that means and god I don't know why I am wasting my time to be honest.

Lmao, they see white supremacy because they ask student of color to show their work or get the right answer. Hahaha.

bemeruca:


Lmao, they see white supremacy because they ask student of color to show their work or get the right answer. Hahaha.

That's what you see, and I don't see what you see.

No parent, black Latin or whatever, would claim asking their child to show their work is white supremacy or any sort of discrimination whatsoever. People just aren't as stupid and ignorant as you seem to think people are.

budaatum:

You understand it to mean that. And what you fail to consider is that these students will eventually sit for Sats where the proper answer is what would enable them to pass.

When all these blacks and latinx all fail, would there not be hell to pay and lots of reputations tarnished, or is it your opinion people don't care about their reputation in litigal America where you could likely sue teacher who teaches you 2+2=2⅔?


I'm not going to tell you which school anywhere, because that would be as absurd as asking you to show me a school where children are being taught the wrong answers to maths! You must have been to school yourself and noticed at least one kid who was discriminated against and therefore must know "How are kids in the same class learning from the same teacher at the same time getting different teaching" such that they don't get the same education everyone else got.

Equity does not only have to mean teacher teaching the same right answers in maths, but also the school providing an equal environment for every child to thrive and don't get black lives mattered or white supremed or anti gayed or anti womaned etc.


Sorry if this is what you understand, because nowhere did I say "require Black student and Latin Students to show their work or get the right answer" is "white supremacy", and you thinking I said so just indicates that you are getting the wrong understanding of what you read and are trying to insist that your understanding is what I wrote when it's glaringly obvious it isn't.

Reducing standards for blacks and latins, if done, is what idiots would do, and this book is not asking for a reduction of standards for anyone! Parents, black or Latin or poor, I don't think would send their children to substandard schools with substandard grading unless they are substandard themselves. State authorities that are responsible for standards in schools would object to such nonsense even if the school finds teachers stupid enough to condone it and I happen to know that a lot of black people are not substandard and want the best for their children, as do potential employers and even the government that collects tax, but despite all that, you want to believe that anyone is asking for lower standards for blacks and latins.

Sorry, but I really can not help you with your reason to think buda wants black and latins to be ignorant when my every day wish is that black Nigerians become more knowledgeable and smarter and wiser.

This is embarrassing. The fact that they use a term like white supremacy up and down only shows their agenda. Black Americans grew up in the us. They are no different from whites.

Unless you can prove to me where in a class a lecture teach people differently base on their race or mark them different base on their race... You are a joke.

The same SAT the black kids will take, the white kids will take it too.

I don't know what school you went to that they say you should be a bus driver... If that's the case, you need to go back to school today.

budaatum:


That's what you see, and I don't see what you see.

No parent, black Latin or whatever, would claim asking their child to show their work is white supremacy or any sort of discrimination whatsoever. People just aren't as stupid and ignorant as you seem to think people are.

Well, the book are supporting is saying that. So maybe you are an ignoramus.

The book says WS shows up when the focus is on getting the right answer.

bemeruca:


This is embarrassing. The fact that they use a term like white supremacy up and down only shows their agenda. Black Americans grew up in the us. They are no different from whites.

This is probably the single most disgustingly ignorant statements you have made on this thread. You don't have to say whatever idiotic nonsense comes to your mind. Crack open a f'king US history book for once in your life if you feel the need to discuss US history.

IjeBos:


This is probably the single most disgustingly ignorant statement you have made on this thread. You don't have to say whatever idiotic nonsense comes to your mind. Crack open a f'king US history book for once in your life if you feel the need to discuss US history.

Dude shut the Bleep up. You went to a white school, you claimed you are the best. You are not different from white kids.

You took the same class in the same language. Victims like you will never accept the truth.
Nigerians are going over there and doing well academically.

White and black kids have one head.
Doing maths has a required expectations. Getting the right answer is one... But more important is showing your work. The book claimed both are white supremacy and we have people here supporting that nonsense.

IjeBos:


This is probably the single most disgustingly ignorant statement you have made on this thread. You don't have to say whatever idiotic nonsense comes to your mind. Crack open a f'king US history book for once in your life if you feel the need to discuss US history.

I was lost for words myself. A Nigerian saying black people have the same opportunities white people have anywhere especially in America.

He probably thinks Nigerians have the same opportunity as Americans too despite our poorly funded schools and poorly trained and compensated teachers and lack of electricity which disadvantage us, and if some rise up and demand equity on the business stage, which pretty is relatively there already, he'd likely say "buda supports white supremacy because maths is racist".

bemeruca:


Dude shut the Bleep up.

Did you go to any school? Is this how they taught you to engage with others? Do you not think that if this were the conduct you were taught to engage with others that your teacher might have not taught you well or you might just not have learnt well?

budaatum:


And you don't understand how white supremacy can show up in classrooms or why how one gets even to the wrong answer in maths matters as a learning tool but would rather believe that buda would rather the standard for maths be reduced because you are black?

bemeruca, please, if that is what you understand and choose to believe buda believes, then so be it. I myself know the book talks about a lot more than what you understand. We have had the same white supremacy issues where I live whereby black kids were encouraged to become bus drivers and secretarys and nurses while their white classmates were driven to be doctors and lawyers and accountants. Lowering standards for black kids, which is what you understand this book is about, is very different and the opposite of even your "equity in maths" you'd find it you thought about it. Equity means to equally teach the same things the same way to the same standards, while reducing standards for black is its opposite! Are you suggesting buda supports both or might there be something wrong with your understanding?



Let me add that I am honoured that what you think buda believes matters and is so important to you, but rather than you using your mind reading skills to read buda's mind I'd suggest you actually ask buda.

Equality means that the law and government treats everyone the same, irrespective of their status or identity.

Equity means that, in some circumstances, people need to be treated differently in order to provide meaningful equality of opportunity.

Neither “equality” nor “equity” guarantee equality of outcomes.

Equality is providing the same level of opportunity and assistance to all segments of society, such as races and genders.

So the equity is to not show your work and not get the right answer for people of color?

I am still waiting for your example where you demonstrate how black kids get different lectures from the teacher. I mean, they are in the same place, the same time and in the same lecture as every other kids.

Showing your work is what will enable a teacher pinpoint where your mistake is coming from. The book is against showing work.

You said someone ask you to be a bus driver, his does that relate to this book you are supporting?

budaatum:


I was lost for words myself. A Nigerian saying black people have the same opportunities white people have anywhere especially in America.

He probably thinks Nigerians have the same opportunity as Americans too despite our poorly funded schools and poorly trained and compensated teachers and lack of electricity which disadvantage us, and if some rise up and demand equity on the business stage, which pretty is relatively there already, he'd likely say "buda supports white supremacy because maths is racist".

Hahaha, lmao. It is not about opportunity. We all have brain to study, unless you think you are brainless and was born without brain. This is how you can not comprehend. If a kid finds himself in the same class and school as a white kid, they live in the same neighborhood, then they have the same opportunities to learn.

Asians are doing better and what will you say about that?
When Nigerians go to USA to study, statistics shows they do better. So tell me... Are whites not involve in the place they do better than whites? Why do you guys love victimhood?

bemeruca:
So the equity is to not show your work and not get the right answer for people of color?

Read up on the straw man fallacy. It might inform what you did here.

bemeruca:
I am still waiting for your example where you demonstrate how black kids get different lectures from the teacher. I mean, they are in the same place, the same time and in the same lecture as every other kids.

Just look at how you conduct yourself and you might understand that some people who were taught in the same classes as you learnt something different to what you seem to have learnt.

bemeruca:
Showing your work is what will enable a teacher pinpoint where your mistake is coming from. The book is against showing work.

So, the book is advocating that teachers give students work but the student does not need to do the work because they don't have to show it if they are black or latinx?

bemeruca:
You said someone ask you to be a bus driver, his does that relate to this book you are supporting?

I suggest you repeat English reading class if you were discriminated against and never learnt to understand what you read because I did not say anyone asked me to be bus driver.

budaatum:


Did you go to any school? Is this how they taught you to engage with others? Do you not think that if this were the conduct you were taught to engage with others that your teacher might have not taught you well or you might just not have learnt well?

So tell me, how many heads do white people have that you think you can not compete with them? I am talking about people in the same class you are talking about how blacks suffered in history.

So how does people of color required to raise their hands before they speak in class white supremacy? Everyone raise their hands before they speak regardless of race. Isn't it?

bemeruca:

Hahaha, lmao. It is not about opportunity. We all have brain to study, unless you think you are brainless and was born without brain. This is how you can not comprehend. If a kid finds himself in the same class and school as a white kid, they live in the same neighborhood, then they have the same opportunities to learn.

There would even be white kids living in this same neighbourhood that might not have the same opportunity to learn don't you think, or do you believe sitting in the same class implies equal opportunity?

What if one kid comes from a home where father was alcoholic and was up last night beating mother, would that kid have the same opportunity as others because they are in the same class? And what if one kid walked miles with no breakfast while another had breakfast and was driven in a car, would they both have equal opportunity to learn?

bemeruca:
Why do you guys love victimhood?

You've managed to convince yourself of what you see and think is real and can't be bothered to open your eyes so you can see.

buda opposes the fact that some people, regardless of their race or gender or sex or whatnot, are victims of poverty and ignorance, and while I wish you would educate yourself, we must make allowances for your deficiencies and help you overcome them knowing it is you who must do the work to learn because no one owes you anything.

budaatum:

Read up on the straw man fallacy. It might inform what you did here.


Just look at how you conduct yourself and you might understand that some people who were taught in the same classes as you learnt something different to what you seem to have learnt.


So, the book is advocating that teachers give students work but the student does not need to do the work because they don't have to show it if they are black or latinx?


I suggest you repeat English reading class if you were discriminated against and never learnt to understand what you read because I did not say anyone asked me to be bus driver.

Where is the strawman please...

People learn differently because we think differnetly. Equality does not mean equality of outcome. You and I think differently, there will always be disparities in our understanding. This is common sense.

No... The book advocate that requiring student to show their work is akin to white supremacy. You saw that.

So who where you talking about. Who was asked to be a bus driver?

bemeruca:

So tell me, how many heads do white people have that you think you can not compete with them?

Why should I compete with anyone be they white or green when I have managed white and blacks already?

bemeruca:
So how does people of color required to raise their hands before they speak in class white supremacy? Everyone raise their hands before they speak regardless of race. Isn't it?

I wouldn't know "how does people of color required to raise their hands before they speak in class white supremacy", and I have never said "people of color required to raise their hands before they speak in class white supremacy" neither. And nor does it say so in the book because if it did, teachers, both black and white, would point out that would mean disorder in their class and no one regardless of colour would learn.

bemeruca:

No... The book advocate that requiring student to show their work is akin to white supremacy. You saw that.

I wonder how many times I need to inform you that I do not see what you see? I mean, it's obviously not like we have the same abilities.

bemeruca:
So who where you talking about. Who was asked to be a bus driver?

Go and learn to read so you can see for yourself, bemeruca. I don't allow my time to be wasted so.

budaatum:

There would even be white kids living in this same neighbourhood that might not have the same opportunity to learn don't you think, or do you believe sitting in the same class implies equal opportunity?

What if one kid comes from a home where father was alcoholic and was up last night beatinh mother, would that kid have the same opportunity as others because they are in the same class? And what if one kid walked miles with no breakfast while another had breakfast and was driven in a car, would they both have equal opportunity to learn?


You've managed to convince yourself of what you see and think is real and can't be bothered to open your eyes so you can see.

buda opposes the fact that some people, regardless of their race or gender or sex or whatnot, are victims of poverty and ignorance, and while I wish you would educate yourself, we must make allowances for your deficiencies and help you overcome them knowing it is you who must do the work to learn because no one owes you anything.

How is it white supremacy then if you believe what you just said? People learn different, using words like white supremacy to label something you think may affect even white kids is not a good way to address a problem.

There are classes of people. My boy goes to school, when he comes home a private tutor is waiting for him. He brush him some more. He gets classes on Saturday. When the common entrance comes, my boy did very well.

We all know sitting in the same class has equal opportunity for all to learn. They hear the same lectures and get the same test. Please tell us why the way one kid thinks differs from the other = white supremacy?

You see victim everywhere you look. People have class. Blacks have those class too... It's not every black person that is in the ghetto and it's not every white person that is in a rich hood.

Buda blames the white man for everything. Buda needs reflect in his hatred for sanity

budaatum:

I wonder how many times I need to inform you that I do not see what you see? I mean, it's obviously not like we have the same abilities.


Go and learn to read so you can see for yourself, bemeruca. I don't allow my time to be wasted so.

The book literally said that. This is how you supported school putting explicit books in school for minors. You don't see what I see in that as well

budaatum:

Why should I compete with anyone be they white or green when I have managed white and blacks already?


I wouldn't know "how does people of color required to raise their hands before they speak in class white supremacy", and I have never said "people of color required to raise their hands before they speak in class white supremacy" neither. And nor does it say so in the book because if it did, teachers, both black and white, would point out that would mean disorder in their class and no one regardless of colour would learn.

The book says that and you support the book.

bemeruca:


The book says that and you support the book.

bemeruca, buda is not your master or your god that you should concern yourself with what you think buda supports so much. But if buda is that important to you, I buda free you from all obligations so you can go and support whatever you want to support.

bemeruca:


Dude shut the Bleep up. You went to a white school, you claimed you are the best. You are not different from white kids.

You took the same class in the same language. Victims like you will never accept the truth.
Nigerians are going over there and doing well academically.

White and black kids have one head.
Doing maths has a required expectations. Getting the right answer is one... But more important is showing your work. The book claimed both are white supremacy and we have people here supporting that nonsense.

Just wear a fk'ing white hood already so 1.) you'll fit in and 2.) at least the other racists don't think you're black.

I live un the US, grew up in the US, went to predominately white schools in the US. A self hating idiot who lives in Nigeria, where he is in the majority, is not going to tell me about my experiences here.

I excelled, despite the Racism I experienced. As did my friends. As did any successful black person in the US. You should talk to successful black people and get their experiences so you'll stop sounding so ignorant.

Wow

bemeruca:

Black Americans grew up in the us. They are no different from whites.

budaatum:


bemeruca, buda is not your master or your god that you should concern yourself with what you think buda supports so much. But if buda is that important to you, I buda free you from all obligations so you can go and support whatever you want to support.

Buda supports anything that craps on a society. Buda head no correct.

Kids are being groomed and buda supports that too.