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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 9:09pm On Aug 11, 2023 |
cornelboy: I can point it out to you that Jesus is Jehovah himself |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:18pm On Aug 11, 2023 |
Jokerman: Name he WAS GIVEN after his earthly mission differs from the name he bears before coming to the earth. So when he was contending with the devil he has no such name! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:22pm On Aug 11, 2023 |
Jokerman:Who sent himself, obeyed himself, prayed to himself, answered himself, offered sacrifice to himself, granted his sacrifice by himself, sent angels to console himself, cried to himself for help, died and resurrected himself, and sat at his own right in heaven! You sabi Bible no be small! ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 9:46pm On Aug 11, 2023 |
Jokerman: Why are you throwing tantrums as insult? ![]() ![]() Did Jesus quote from holy scriptures when he contested the devil @ Matthew 4:10? Jesus Christ is archangel Michael who quoted "the Lord (that is Jehovah) rebuke you" from the holy scriptures of Zechariah 3:2. Your Trinitarian mentors confirmed Jesus Christ is that angel of Jehovah (the Lord) @ Genesis 16:7 (Amplified Bible, Geneva Bible from biblegateway.com) Why would your fellow Trinitarians be getting conflicting information from the same ghost leading all of you?
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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 9:47pm On Aug 11, 2023 |
Jokerman:That wouldn't make any sense. There's the Father and there's the son. 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 9:47pm On Aug 11, 2023 |
Emusan:Alright |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 9:49pm On Aug 11, 2023 |
Jokerman: Your mentors of Nicene creed says you Worship 3 Spirits. You are here DECEIVING YOURSELF. ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 9:51pm On Aug 11, 2023 |
Emusan:It's not my fault that you don't understand it. Jesus never claimed to be the creator. 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 9:52pm On Aug 11, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Hilarious 😂😂 |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:02pm On Aug 11, 2023 |
cornelboy: I just wonder which sounds more reasonable: Jesus who said he is God's son and Almighty God Himself acknowledged Jesus as His son to be one of God's spirit sons or that Jesus is the Almighty God? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 12:44am On Aug 12, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: 1. So Angel Michael bore all these names?? An Angel? Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. So, Angel Michael is now the mighty God too 😬.. ok. 2. Satan is the equal of Michael, that's why they always contend, and Michael couldn't even defeat Satan without Jesus. Jesus never had to contend with the Devil. He used words, same words that carry power that was used to create Heaven and Earth. Please read up the real Bible, don't use your JW or 7 day Adventist bible. 3. Angel Michael is a created being. Jesus wasn't created. He along with the father created all things... Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist..... Read and understand; a. By Him b. And for him... So God created all things through Angel Michael, and for Angel Michael? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 12:49am On Aug 12, 2023 |
cornelboy: So what does the Bible mean by this?? 1. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 2. Jesus said, John 10:30 I and my Father are one. So God and Angel Michael are one? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 12:54am On Aug 12, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Since you can proof that Angel Michael is the Lord Jesus Christ, which the Bible never claimed to be, reducing the Godship of the master Jesus Christ to an angel, then I can also proof to you from the Bible that Jesus is God. Or have you not read that Jesus is the King of Kings? Or Jesus is the mighty God? Or Jesus is called Emmanuel (God with Us), or have you not read that Jesus used words just that God to change situations rather than fighting? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 12:55am On Aug 12, 2023 |
cornelboy: So it makes sense that Angel Michael is self same person as Jesus Christ?? You better repent of such heresy! Please ! |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 12:56am On Aug 12, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: So God created all things through and for Angel Michael then? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 3:15am On Aug 12, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Job_15:12 Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at lost false jw mad max you are very correct in implying that you false jw's are not of the churches/peoples of Christendom Christendom. / (ˈkrɪsəndəm) / noun. the collective body of Christians throughout the world or throughout history. an obsolete word for Christianity. you false jw's believe all the lies your org have been saying for a hundred years or more, people don't come any dumber or more blinded than that, do they 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:57am On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman: Your problem is TRINITY but then you need to see things from the Bible's viewpoint. All humans are equal before God even though Adam is the father of all inhabitants of the earth he has no right to make himself lord over others. The same is with Archangel Michael even though God created everything through him he has no right to make himself lord over all other. In heaven there are spirit sons of God each having his duty God made Michael their overall head and controller but that doesn't give him the right to do anything without following protocol that's why he always comes to the scene anytime powerful fallen angels are trying to go beyond their boundaries {Daniel 10:13} the Bible book of Isaiah you quoted said: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6 Michael will be transformed into an embryo in the womb of a Jewish virgin, like a son given among Israelites, the rulership of all the earth will be given him, and he will make great names for himself in the midst of faithful humans: © Wonderful Counselor: due to his teaching skills many humans will be counseled so that all adherents of his teachings will shine in a world filled with faithless miscreants {Matthew 5:14-16} that's what will make him the world's most wonderful counselor of all time! © The Mighty God: when this child walk the earth he will prove to be like a God in Israel just like Moses proved to be a God in Egypt {Exodus 7:1} so faithful Israelites could sense that this is the prophet God promised them to come in the manner of Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18 compare to Act 3:22} so he will prove to be a prophet and at the same time a God in their midst. © Everlasting Father: Adam is the father of all humans but through him mankind inherited sin and death because Adam is dead for good {Romans 5:12} but through faith in this child all adherents of his teachings will have everlasting life {John 3:16} so unlike Adam our temporary father who died and lost everything this child will live forever as our adoptive father! 1Corinthians 15:45 © Prince of Peace: with his mission on planet earth people from all nations will come to love the true God, they will settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} that's what Jesus later commanded his disciples to take to all the corners of the earth in order for this prophecy to be fulfilled {Matthew 28:18-20; Act 1:8} that's how he became the prince (ruler) through whom people from all nations agreed to become one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers today. So Michael (Jesus) never had any of those names before his earthly mission it's after his mission has been accomplished {John 19:30} that he was given all these names! Matthew 28:18 |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:08am On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman: No wahala go and make the best use of your Jesus whom you know as the Almighty to fulfil what is written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 that's God's will for mankind so instead of looking for fruitless arguments get to work and see to it how adherents of your Jesus the Almighty can fulfill or do God's will today. Matthew 7:21-23 We know that the mighty spirit king who is leading us today is the Archangel Michael {Daniel 12:1} and he returned in the year 1914 to restructure his group and ever since then God's organization has turned a new leaf as we are going throughout all the nations to make disciples {Matthew 28:19} who are zealously preaching and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood inculcating in the minds of those who avail themselves the love Christ Jesus commanded us {Matthew 28:20} and throughout the earth today you can't find a single member of our group who carries weapons for any reason {Matthew 26:52} just as the prophecy foretold about the outcome of the mission of the Prince of Peace! Micah 4:1-3 There's no need arguing let the fruitage of your faith speak {Matthew 7:16-18} the fruitage (works) of our faith is not hidden! Matthew 5:14-16 compare to James 2:18-26 ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:15am On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman: YES! His earthly mission is what earned him the name that is above all other names: JESUS So at the mention of that name (Jesus) all those in heaven and on earth must be alert to obey {Philippians 2:10} it's through thorough research we have come to know that the one who become Jesus is the archangel Michael. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:35am On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman: I always pity misinformed churchgoers like you because the word HERESY means FALSEHOOD but instead of using your brain to think you've allowed the nonsense and Ingredients of the churches of Christendom to blindfold you completely. When Jesus walked the earth in the first century the Jews were calling his teachings "HERESY" in fact many of his disciples later turned back from following him due to what they are hearing from their religious leaders {John 6:66} but there's one thing any right thinking human should take note: only Jesus' teachings proved to be working for the purpose God promised the Jews! John 6:67-68 All other teachings in first century Israel failed to meet up with the will of God so only Jesus was able to organize his own disciples {Luke 10:1-7} all other numerous schools of thought back then couldn't make a headway rather they were busy politicizing their groups until the Romans came to wipe them all away that's why only Jesus' disciples could go from city to city preaching zealously and industriously teaching about God's kingdom. Do you know what the Jews were calling Jesus' disciples back then? Well they were calling them a CULT just as you and your confused fellow churchgoers are doing today {Matthew 10:25} yet this is the one and only teaching that has successfully achieved what God promised during the end time! Isaiah 2:2-4 We know you will not reason after all you have the support of confused churchgoers like you who can't come up with one line of thought regarding your so called faith yet you're here criticizing the one and only organization that has made it possible for people from all nations to love their enemies without thinking of revenge {Matthew 5:43-48} who have love for neighbours {Mark 12:31} by going to visit them in their homes {Matthew 10:11-13} and love for their fellow believers throughout the earth {John 13:34-35} while you will pick up weapons or support the use of weapons against your so called fellow believers in other countries due to politics and racism! Revelations 6:3-4 Ọmọ i really pity you o! ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 7:06am On Aug 12, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: lost false jw mad max you false jw's love to repeat your lies and confusion over and over again, don't you, lying is your natural way of speaking, just like it's the devils natural way: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints Christendom. / (ˈkrɪsəndəm) / noun. the collective body of Christians throughout the world or throughout history. an obsolete word for Christianity. i do agree with you false jw's though, that you so called Jehovah's witnesses are not part of Christianity/Christendom |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 7:46am On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman:It's heresy to say Jesus is Jehovah. So absurd really. Jesus life already started in heaven even before he created the universe for his Father, Jehovah. So what was his identity before was born as human? The clues point that Michael is Jesus. Take it or leave. I would really like you to show me where Jesus claim to Jehovah his Father or where Jehovah claim to be Jesus the son. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 8:01am On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman:You guys don't understand anything in the scriptures. Jehovah the Father can be "one" with even humans. If Michael is Jesus yes, Michael is one with God. John 17:21,23 [21]I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one —as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me. [23]I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me. Jesus being one with the Father is just like when a man marries and joins to a woman and they become one. John 10:28-29 [28]I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me, [29]for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand. At John 10:30 what Jesus meant was not that he's equal or the same person with the Father but the Father and him are both working in perfect unity for the same purpose i.e protecting the sheep. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:10am On Aug 12, 2023 |
cornelboy: Satan has really blinded them! Imagine how they're always singing "Jesus is this, Jesus is that, Jesus is left right front back and center yet what is the will of God that's supposed to take place in the midst of Jesus' disciples as one family of peace? They don't care! Matthew 7:21-23 Even when you're showing them the will of God as stated in the Bible which believers supposed to fulfil as assurance that Jesus is working with them they will ignore as long as you're not blindly mimicking their hopeless slogan "Jesus is Lord" But to be honest who is truly saying: "Jesus is Lord" Is it people whose doctrines are conflicting and doctrines contradicting, ever ready to pick up weapons against one another due to politics and racism? Or people who are carefully examine what Jesus commanded and helping one another to fulfil it? Jehovah's Witnesses don't just go about saying "Jesus is LORD" blindly but everything we do is strictly according to Jesus' orders. So if anyone should ask "why are you people doing things the way you're doing?" Only Jehovah's Witnesses can quote Jesus and show how practical we are applying it but all these people just go about shouting and singing "Jesus is Lord" whereas when it comes to the love Jesus commanded they trash it like nonsense! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:18am On Aug 12, 2023 |
cornelboy: A real Bible student! ![]() Oya ask them to show how practical Jesus and his disciples are one with God in their own churches apart from the noise they're making disturbing neighbours night and day with heavy instruments. Let them show you how they're unitedly doing God's will the way Jehovah's Witnesses are well organized globally working as One with our God! John 17:20-23 They're spiritually scattered in their doctrines {Luke 11:23} different religions claiming they are believers in the same person yet when politicians call for supporters to kill opponents this same people claiming disciples of Christ will follow them to kill their enemies, neighbours and even their fellow worshipers in other places! Revelations 6:3-4 ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 9:04am On Aug 12, 2023 |
cornelboy: So you accept that Angel Michael is on the same pedestal as God the Father, then? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 9:09am On Aug 12, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Lol... 🤣🤣🤣🤣.... These Jehovah witness clowns that also postulated that Devil was cast down from heaven in 1948, abi no be Una🤣🤣🤣. My brother... The Lord Jesus Christ created all thing along with the Father, including all angels (Michael, Gabriel, Lucifer, Azazel, Samael etc... Jesus Christ is God's word manifested in flesh. The word God used to create is Jesus Christ.... St Paul already told us, Jesus is higher than all beings except God... Hope you know Archangels are not even the highest ranked angels... May God give you his revelation |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 9:12am On Aug 12, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: My Mom was once a JW, thank God for my Dad who opened her eyes to understand spiritual things as revealed by the Holy Spirit. So JW now worship angels🤣🤣🤣... Who came back in 1914? My brother, find a time. Pray to God that he should reveal whom the Lord Jesus Christ is to you..and see your folly over the years... |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 9:18am On Aug 12, 2023 |
Janosky: Lol... We worship only God through the son Jesus Christ and with the help of the Holy Spirit of God almighty |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 9:27am On Aug 12, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Wrong! Wrong! Wrong! God never designed angels to save humanity. Look at these scriptures below . Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation? Hebrews 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him. Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 9:31am On Aug 12, 2023 |
Emusan: 1 Corinthians 1:20,24 , Paul says Jesus is the person called "Wisdom." Your Trinitarian mentors PROVEN that Proverbs 8:22 is correct, the person called Wisdom is a creature/ craftsman, verse 30. Proverbs 8:27 & 1 Corinthians 8:6, Jesus Christ is NOT the Creator. Emusan:Is Jesus Christ the first born a person? DUBIOUS Trinitarians desperate to TWISTING the holy scriptures. Emusan:Proverbs 8:27 dey your Bible? Jesus Christ did NOT create heaven. He is NEVER the Creator. Carry your question to God , ask where his son lived before heaven was created. Emusan: Nah Hebrews 1:9 dey give Emusan Sifia pains & WAILING ![]() ![]() ![]() Jesus Christ get companions nau |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 9:33am On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. See what St Paul Said,1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. So I don't know what y'all want again |
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