cornelboy:


So the fact is Jesus had an identity before becoming human and the clues we have in the Bible point that he is/was Michael.
Whether you agree or not doesn't change anything.

Jokerman:

Archangel Michael that was contesting with the devil,is the same angel you wanna compare with the one who speaks and the devil is defeated. The one that his name is above all names. These cults sef

Jokerman:

I can point it out to you that Jesus is Jehovah himself

Jokerman:
Archangel Michael that was contesting with the devil,is the same angel you wanna compare with the one who speaks and the devil is defeated.

The one that his name is above all names.

These cults sef

Why are you throwing tantrums as insult?

Did Jesus quote from holy scriptures when he contested the devil @ Matthew 4:10?

Jesus Christ is archangel Michael who quoted "the Lord (that is Jehovah) rebuke you" from the holy scriptures of Zechariah 3:2.

Your Trinitarian mentors confirmed Jesus Christ is that angel of Jehovah (the Lord) @ Genesis 16:7 (Amplified Bible, Geneva Bible from biblegateway.com)

Why would your fellow Trinitarians be getting conflicting information from the same ghost leading all of you?

Jokerman:

I can point it out to you that Jesus is Jehovah himself

Emusan:


Jesus never had a beginning! A Creator doesn't have a beginning.



Then Dangote will never make a statement like "I Dangote operate the machines that produce my cement"

And if Dangote actually made such statement I believe even you will never deny that Dangote isn't the very one who produced the cement by himself.



Kindly quote the place you got this from.



It means Jesus is the one who created Himself because John 1:3 says "All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." - NWT

And God can't lie.



Yes He is the first born of all creation and not FIRST CREATED PERSON. The two statements aren't the same.



A created Being needs space to occupy, where was Jesus living before God used Him to create Heaven?

1. Yet you believe Jesus has companions/fellow when He was the only one Created directly by God.

2. Yet you claimed He was PROMOTED, to which post again?

3. Yet you believe Jesus is still the same category of Angels.

So definitely if you believe this about Him, then you underrated Him for calling Him Angel because Jesus shouldn't be in the category of Angels at all.

Jokerman:


I can point it out to you that Jesus is Jehovah himself

Emusan:


Smile...even when your organisation claimed Jesus is the one talking in Proverb 8

But read through Prov 8 and see where God Himself carrying out the Creation activities.



So you means when Bible says "...I stretched out the heavens with My hands
And I ordained all their host." it was Jesus using the hands of God

You don't know why Watchtower wants you to believe that Jesus is an Angel.

MaxInDHouse:

Who sent himself, obeyed himself, prayed to himself, answered himself, offered sacrifice to himself, granted his sacrifice by himself, sent angels to console himself, cried to himself for help, died and resurrected himself, and sat at his own right in heaven!

You sabi Bible no be small!

cornelboy:

Hilarious 😂😂

MaxInDHouse:


Name he WAS GIVEN after his earthly mission differs from the name he bears before coming to the earth. So when he was contending with the devil he has no such name!

cornelboy:

It's not my fault that you don't understand it.
Jesus never claimed to be the creator.

MaxInDHouse:

Who sent himself, obeyed himself, prayed to himself, answered himself, offered sacrifice to himself, granted his sacrifice by himself, sent angels to console himself, cried to himself for help, died and resurrected himself, and sat at his own right in heaven!

You sabi Bible no be small!

cornelboy:

That wouldn't make any sense.
There's the Father and there's the son.

MaxInDHouse:


Name he WAS GIVEN after his earthly mission differs from the name he bears before coming to the earth. So when he was contending with the devil he has no such name!

MaxInDHouse:
Just like Jews returnees from Babylon he wants to mix our beliefs with that of the churches of Christendom!

Jokerman:


1. So Angel Michael bore all these names?? An Angel?

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. So, Angel Michael is now the mighty God too 😬.. ok.

2. Satan is the equal of Michael, that's why they always contend, and Michael couldn't even defeat Satan without Jesus. Jesus never had to contend with the Devil. He used words, same words that carry power that was used to create Heaven and Earth. Please read up the real Bible, don't use your JW or 7 day Adventist bible.


3. Angel Michael is a created being. Jesus wasn't created. He along with the father created all things... Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist..... Read and understand; a. By Him b. And for him... So God created all things through Angel Michael, and for Angel Michael?

Jokerman:

Since you can proof that Angel Michael is the Lord Jesus Christ, which the Bible never claimed to be, reducing the Godship of the master Jesus Christ to an angel, then I can also proof to you from the Bible that Jesus is God.
Or have you not read that Jesus is the King of Kings? Or Jesus is the mighty God? Or Jesus is called Emmanuel (God with Us), or have you not read that Jesus used words just that God to change situations rather than fighting?

Jokerman:

So God created all things through and for Angel Michael then?

Jokerman:

So it makes sense that Angel Michael is self same person as Jesus Christ?? You better repent of such HERESY! Please !

MaxInDHouse:
I always pity misinformed churchgoers like you because the word HERESY means FALSEHOOD but instead of using your brain to think you've allowed the nonsense and Ingredients of the churches of Christendom to blindfold you completely.
When Jesus walked the earth in the first century the Jews were calling his teachings "HERESY" in fact many of his disciples later turned back from following him due to what they are hearing from their religious leaders {John 6:66} but there's one thing any right thinking human should take note: only Jesus' teachings proved to be working for the purpose God promised the Jews! John 6:67-68
All other teachings in first century Israel failed to meet up with the will of God so only Jesus was able to organize his own disciples {Luke 10:1-7} all other numerous schools of thought back then couldn't make a headway rather they were busy politicizing their groups until the Romans came to wipe them all away that's why only Jesus' disciples could go from city to city preaching zealously and industriously teaching about God's kingdom. Do you know what the Jews were calling Jesus' disciples back then? Well they were calling them a CULT just as you and your confused fellow churchgoers are doing today {Matthew 10:25} yet this is the one and only teaching that has successfully achieved what God promised during the end time! Isaiah 2:2-4
We know you will not reason after all you have the support of confused churchgoers like you who can't come up with one line of thought regarding your so called faith yet you're here criticizing the one and only organization that has made it possible for people from all nations to love their enemies without thinking of revenge {Matthew 5:43-48} who have love for neighbours {Mark 12:31} by going to visit them in their homes {Matthew 10:11-13} and love for their fellow believers throughout the earth {John 13:34-35} while you will pick up weapons or support the use of weapons against your so called fellow believers in other countries due to politics and racism! Revelations 6:3-4
Ọmọ i really pity you o!

Jokerman:

So it makes sense that Angel Michael is self same person as Jesus Christ??
You better repent of such heresy! Please !

Jokerman:

So what does the Bible mean by this??
1. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
2. Jesus said, John 10:30 I and my Father are one.
So God and Angel Michael are one?

cornelboy:

It's heresy to say Jesus is Jehovah.
So absurd really.
Jesus life already started in heaven even before he created the universe for his Father, Jehovah.
So what was his identity before was born as human?
The clues point that Michael is Jesus.
Take it or leave.
I would really like you to show me where Jesus claim to Jehovah his Father or where Jehovah claim to be Jesus the son.

cornelboy:

You guys don't understand anything in the scriptures.
Jehovah the Father can be "one" with even humans.
If Michael is Jesus yes, Michael is one with God.

John 17:21,23
[21]I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one —as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.
[23]I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.

Jesus being one with the Father is just like when a man marries and joins to a woman and they become one.

John 10:28-29
[28]I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me,
[29]for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand.

At John 10:30 what Jesus meant was not that he's equal or the same person with the Father but the Father and him are both working in perfect unity for the same purpose i.e protecting the sheep.

cornelboy:

You guys don't understand anything in the scriptures.
Jehovah the Father can be "one" with even humans.
If Michael is Jesus yes, Michael is one with God.

John 17:21,23
[21]I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one —as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.
[23]I am in them and you are in me. May they experience such perfect unity that the world will know that you sent me and that you love them as much as you love me.

Jesus being one with the Father is just like when a man marries and joins to a woman and they become one.

John 10:28-29
[28]I give them eternal life, and they will never perish. No one can snatch them away from me,
[29]for my Father has given them to me, and he is more powerful than anyone else. No one can snatch them from the Father’s hand.

At John 10:30 what Jesus meant was not that he's equal or the same person with the Father but the Father and him are both working in perfect unity for the same purpose i.e protecting the sheep.

MaxInDHouse:


YES! His earthly mission is what earned him the name that is above all other names: JESUS

So at the mention of that name (Jesus) all those in heaven and on earth must be alert to obey {Philippians 2:10} it's through thorough research we have come to know that the one who become Jesus is the archangel Michael.

MaxInDHouse:


No wahala go and make the best use of your Jesus whom you know as the Almighty to fulfil what is written in the Bible book of Isaiah 2:2-4 that's God's will for mankind so instead of looking for fruitless arguments get to work and see to it how adherents of your Jesus the Almighty can fulfill or do God's will today. Matthew 7:21-23

We know that the mighty spirit king who is leading us today is the Archangel Michael {Daniel 12:1} and he returned in the year 1914 to restructure his group and ever since then God's organization has turned a new leaf as we are going throughout all the nations to make disciples {Matthew 28:19} who are zealously preaching and industriously teaching in all their neighbourhood inculcating in the minds of those who avail themselves the love Christ Jesus commanded us {Matthew 28:20} and throughout the earth today you can't find a single member of our group who carries weapons for any reason {Matthew 26:52} just as the prophecy foretold about the outcome of the mission of the Prince of Peace! Micah 4:1-3

There's no need arguing let the fruitage of your faith speak {Matthew 7:16-18} the fruitage (works) of our faith is not hidden! Matthew 5:14-16 compare to James 2:18-26

Janosky:


Your mentors of Nicene creed says you Worship 3 Spirits.
You are here DECEIVING YOURSELF.

MaxInDHouse:


Your problem is TRINITY but then you need to see things from the Bible's viewpoint.

All humans are equal before God even though Adam is the father of all inhabitants of the earth he has no right to make himself lord over others. The same is with Archangel Michael even though God created everything through him he has no right to make himself lord over all other. In heaven there are spirit sons of God each having his duty God made Michael their overall head and controller but that doesn't give him the right to do anything without following protocol that's why he always comes to the scene anytime powerful fallen angels are trying to go beyond their boundaries {Daniel 10:13} the Bible book of Isaiah you quoted said:

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

Michael will be transformed into an embryo in the womb of a Jewish virgin, like a son given among Israelites, the rulership of all the earth will be given him, and he will make great names for himself in the midst of faithful humans:

© Wonderful Counselor: due to his teaching skills many humans will be counseled so that all adherents of his teachings will shine in a world filled with faithless miscreants {Matthew 5:14-16} that's what will make him the world's most wonderful counselor of all time!

© The Mighty God: when this child walk the earth he will prove to be like a God in Israel just like Moses proved to be a God in Egypt {Exodus 7:1} so faithful Israelites could sense that this is the prophet God promised them to come in the manner of Moses {Deuteronomy 18:18 compare to Act 3:22} so he will prove to be a prophet and at the same time a God in their midst.

© Everlasting Father: Adam is the father of all humans but through him mankind inherited sin and death because Adam is dead for good {Romans 5:12} but through faith in this child all adherents of his teachings will have everlasting life {John 3:16} so unlike Adam our temporary father who died and lost everything this child will live forever as our adoptive father! 1Corinthians 15:45

© Prince of Peace: with his mission on planet earth people from all nations will come to love the true God, they will settle all their disparities peacefully among themselves, divert their resources into production of food and information materials, erased the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons and vow never to raise weapons against anyone again {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} that's what Jesus later commanded his disciples to take to all the corners of the earth in order for this prophecy to be fulfilled {Matthew 28:18-20; Act 1:8} that's how he became the prince (ruler) through whom people from all nations agreed to become one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers today.

So Michael (Jesus) never had any of those names before his earthly mission it's after his mission has been accomplished {John 19:30} that he was given all these names! Matthew 28:18

Emusan:


Jesus never had a beginning! A Creator doesn't have a beginning.
.

Emusan:


Then Dangote will never make a statement like "I Dangote operate the machines that produce my cement"

And if Dangote actually made such statement I believe even you will never deny that Dangote isn't the very one who produced the cement by himself.



Kindly quote the place you got this from.

Emusan post=125047480:


It means Jesus is the one who created Himself because John 1:3 says "All things came into existence through him, and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." - NWT

And God can't lie.

God can not lie but Emusan LYING.
Romans 11:35-26 & Proverbs 8:22,Jesus Christ came through his Father.

Emusan did you come through your Father?


Yes He is the first born of all creation and not FIRST CREATED PERSON. The two statements aren't the same..

Emusan:


A created Being needs space to occupy, where was Jesus living before God used Him to create Heaven?

Emusan:


1. Yet you believe Jesus has companions/fellow when He was the only one Created directly by God.

2. Yet you claimed He was PROMOTED, to which post again?

3. Yet you believe Jesus is still the same category of Angels.

So definitely if you believe this about Him, then you underrated Him for calling Him Angel because Jesus shouldn't be in the category of Angels at all.

Nah Hebrews 1:9 dey give Emusan Sifia pains & WAILING

Jesus Christ get companions nau