cornelboy:
It's not my fault that you don't understand it.

Jesus never claimed to be the creator.

Janosky:
1 Corinthians 1:20,24 , Paul says Jesus is the person called "Wisdom."
Your Trinitarian mentors PROVEN that Proverbs 8:22 is correct, the person called Wisdom is a creature/ craftsman, verse 30.

Proverbs 8:27 & 1 Corinthians 8:6, Jesus Christ is NOT the Creator.

[b]Is Jesus Christ the first born a person?

DUBIOUS Trinitarians desperate to TWISTING the holy scriptures.

Proverbs 8:27 dey your Bible?
Jesus Christ did NOT create heaven.

He is NEVER the Creator.

Carry your question to God , ask where his son lived before heaven was created.

Nah Hebrews 1:9 dey give Emusan Sifia pains & WAILING

Jesus Christ get companions nau

MaxInDHouse:
I always pity misinformed churchgoers like you

you've allowed the nonsense and Ingredients of the churches of Christendom to blindfold you completely.

you and your confused fellow churchgoers

We know you will not reason after all you have the support of confused churchgoers like you who can't come up with one line of thought

you will pick up weapons or support the use of weapons against your so called fellow believers

Ọmọ i really pity you o!

Emusan:

At least you see that I'm quoting the scripture and not another Book.
But the scripture says He is the Creator.

Jokerman:

So you accept that Angel Michael is on the same pedestal as God the Father, then?

MaxInDHouse:


Satan has really blinded them!

Imagine how they're always singing "Jesus is this, Jesus is that, Jesus is left right front back and center yet what is the will of God that's supposed to take place in the midst of Jesus' disciples as one family of peace?
They don't care! Matthew 7:21-23

Even when you're showing them the will of God as stated in the Bible which believers supposed to fulfil as assurance that Jesus is working with them they will ignore as long as you're not blindly mimicking their hopeless slogan "Jesus is Lord"
But to be honest who is truly saying:
"Jesus is Lord"

Is it people whose doctrines are conflicting and doctrines contradicting, ever ready to pick up weapons against one another due to politics and racism?

Or people who are carefully examine what Jesus commanded and helping one another to fulfil it?

Jehovah's Witnesses don't just go about saying "Jesus is LORD" blindly but everything we do is strictly according to Jesus' orders.
So if anyone should ask "why are you people doing things the way you're doing?"
Only Jehovah's Witnesses can quote Jesus and show how practical we are applying it but all these people just go about shouting and singing "Jesus is Lord" whereas when it comes to the love Jesus commanded they trash it like nonsense!

cornelboy:
Nope you misinterpreted.

God is the creator.

God created through Christ. That's it.

Jokerman:

May God give you his revelation

Jokerman:

My Mom was once a JW, thank God for my Dad who opened her eyes to understand spiritual things as revealed by the Holy Spirit. So JW now worship angels🤣🤣🤣... Who came back in 1914? My brother, find a time. Pray to God that he should reveal whom the Lord Jesus Christ is to you..and see your folly over the years...

Jokerman:


Wrong! Wrong! Wrong!

God never designed angels to save humanity. Look at these scriptures below .

Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Hebrews 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Hebrews 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands: 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

Jokerman:


My Mom was once a JW, thank God for my Dad who opened her eyes to understand spiritual things as revealed by the Holy Spirit.

So JW now worship angels🤣🤣🤣... Who came back in 1914?

...

Jokerman:

Jokerman post : "Jesus is Jehovah."


My brother, find a time. Pray to God that he should reveal whom the Lord Jesus Christ is to you..and see your folly over the years...

After Jokerman' prayed to his 3 deities, he found out that his own Jesus Christ is NOT in Matthew 16:13-17.

Oga, carry your GIBBERISH outta here.

Jokerman:


Lol... 🤣🤣🤣🤣.... These Jehovah witness clowns that also postulated that Devil was cast down from heaven in 1948, abi no be Una🤣🤣🤣.

My brother... The Lord Jesus Christ created all thing along with the Father, including all angels (Michael, Gabriel, Lucifer, Azazel, Samael etc...

Jesus Christ is God's word manifested in flesh. The word God used to create is Jesus Christ....

St Paul already told us, Jesus is higher than all beings except God...
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Jokerman post : "Jesus is Jehovah."

What a Mumu, unscriptural revelation!

Jokerman:


Hope you know Archangels are not even the highest ranked angels...

May God give you his revelation

Very wrong, Sir.


"One of/ the one" is Hebrew lexicon 259 meaning First, Senior in Daniel 10:13, Exodus 1:15, Genesis 10:25.

Go to Hebrew lexicon of Daniel 10:13 check word for word meaning & cure your ignorance.

Jokerman:


Lol... We worship only God through the son Jesus Christ and with the help of the Holy Spirit of God almighty

Jokerman post: " Jesus is Jehovah".

Oga Jokerman, you are not even honest to yourself on this forum.

Jokerman:


So what does the Bible mean by this??

1. John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God. 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

2. Jesus said, John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

So God and Angel Michael are one?

2.
In John 10:30 , Father meaning Senior, Elder.
In John 17:21-22, Jesus Christ says his Senior (the God his Father), the disciples and Jesus are one.

Oga, your claim on John 10:30 is built on quick sand.

Jokerman:


1. So Angel Michael bore all these names?? An Angel?

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. So, Angel Michael is now the mighty God too 😬.. ok.

2. Satan is the equal of Michael, that's why they always contend, and Michael couldn't even defeat Satan without Jesus. Jesus never had to contend with the Devil. He used words, same words that carry power that was used to create Heaven and Earth. Please read up the real Bible, don't use your JW or 7 day Adventist bible.


3. Angel Michael is a created being. Jesus wasn't created. He along with the father created all things... Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist..... Read and understand; a. By Him b. And for him... So God created all things through Angel Michael, and for Angel Michael?

Was Jesus Christ called the lamb in the old testament?

Was Jesus Christ called the Word in the old testament?

Oga, in your Bible @ Genesis 3:15, the Seed defeated the Satan.

Oga, who is the serpent @ Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9?
@ Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:18, Oga who defeated Satan?

Oga,go & rest, you no know your Bible

Emusan:

At least you try to make sense this time around but anyways you'll always meet me at home for Bible study.


1 Corin 1:20,24 didn't says Jesus is a PERSON CALLED WISDOM stop lying against the Holy scripture.

Jesus is a person, do you have problem with that?

Emusan Rebuttal and acceptance.
Emusan is confused.

Emusan:


"However, to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. - NWT

Jesus is the POWER of God and The WISDOM of God says the Holy book.

Emusan:


Jesus Christ is the Creator John 1:3, Colo 1:18

The Bible itself, Bible scholars and your fellow Trinitarians PROVEN Emusan is LYING

It is PROVEN that Jesus Christ is the instrumentality of creation @ John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrew 1:2.
God his Father is the Creator, 1 Corinthians 8:6.
The guy no go agree but he no get liver to delete Proverbs 8 :27 & 1 Corinthians 8:6 from him Bible.

Emusan:


Dubious worshipper of the lying 8 old men in Warwick twisting the Word of God.

So it was not Jesus who created the Heaven.

So who created heaven?

Emusan:


But Jehovah USED HIM to CREATE ALL OTHER THINGS.

Is your brain paining you?

Emusan:

Now I should carry my question to God simply because you know a created Being needs space to occupy

This is where you dull JWs failed.

God created both heaven and earth before creating the Angels, man & everything to occupy them because every normal people know things created need space to occupy. Thank God, God is not like dull JWs.

Emusan so fond of LYING
Oga,Is Job 38:1-7 in your own Bible?

Emusan:


The pain must be too much for the worshiper of the lying 8 old men in Warwick

Emusan:


Yet you still believe Jesus is the ONLY ONE CREATED DIRECTLY BY Jehovah. Is that not stupidity?

Emusan:


At least you see that I'm quoting the scripture and not another Book.



But the scripture says He is the Creator.

Emusan:


At least you see that I'm quoting the scripture and not another Book.



But the scripture says He is the Creator.

Jokerman:
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

See what St Paul Said,1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

So I don't know what y'all want again

Jokerman:


So you accept that Angel Michael is on the same pedestal as God the Father, then?

Janosky:
Why you dey come Nairaland dey make FALSE claims?
Your mom do not know the Jesus Christ of Matthew 16:13-17 whom God revealed to Peter the apostle.
That is the reason she followed your Dad to worship his 3 deities.
After Jokerman' prayed to his 3 deities, he found out that his own Jesus Christ is NOT in Matthew 16:13-17.
Oga, carry your GIBBERISH outta here.

Emusan:

Quote the verse I misinterpreted.
I never deny that.
I never deny this either.
Though you left most of my points unaddressed which is the reason you can't come with any rebuttal.
Did God lie that He created everything ALL BY HIMSELF?
Did God lie that His VERY RIGHT HAND stretched the Universe?

MaxInDHouse:
they're always singing "Jesus is this, Jesus is that, Jesus is left right front back and center

all these people just go about shouting and singing "Jesus is Lord"

MaxInDHouse: their hopeless slogan "Jesus is Lord"

cornelboy:
You're right Sir.

johnw47:

for Christians the Lord Jesus is all that and so much more

^^ some of the evil of lost false jw's
to false jw's "Jesus is Lord" is a hopeless slogan:

1Co_12:3  Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.

1Co 8:6  yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. 

Joh 13:13  "You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am.

cornelboy:
You're right Sir.

cornelboy:
Lol

cornelboy:

You're right Sir.
Do you know those verses that Jesus taught us to pray for enemies and love them? These people don't follow it.
And that was one of concerns before I started studying with the JWs.
Despite Jesus's teachings on praying for our enemies and not hating them, we would pray to God to kill our enemies and do them bad in our church.
I would wonder, would God answer this evil prayers? I knew it wasn't right.
I grew in the CAC church.
It's common in all those pentecostal churches.
But when I found out that JWs don't pray that way, they would never pray against their enemies, I was so happy. They are the only ones following every Christ teachings and doing all God's will back to back.

cornelboy:
In the OT God claimed that he created with his own hands

at Hebrew 1:10, he claimed that his son created

but at Hebrew 1:2 and John 1:3 both John and the writer of the book of Hebrews understood that "God created everything through Jesus Christ".

In another words, God used Christ to create everything. Thus God is the creator.

No place in the Bible did Jesus claim to be the creator.

Go and solve the puzzle yourself.

Janosky:

In your brain but not the holy scriptures.

Janosky:
Emusan Rebuttal and acceptance.
Emusan is confused.

Yes.

The Bible itself, Bible scholars and your fellow Trinitarians PROVEN Emusan is LYING

It is PROVEN that Jesus Christ is the instrumentality of creation @ John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrew 1:2.
God his Father is the Creator, 1 Corinthians 8:6.
The guy no go agree but he no get liver to delete Proverbs 8 :27 & 1 Corinthians 8:6 from him Bible.

Proverbs 8:27 & Isaiah 44 :24 dey cause Emusan Sifia pains

Emusan go & paste Proverbs 8:27 & Colossians 1:16 into your brain, your comprehension skills is very poor, Mr dullard.

Emusan so fond of LYING
Oga,Is Job 38:1-7 in your own Bible?

Job 38:1-7, Jehovah's answer to Job exposed your delusion & FALSE claims.
Emusan ,Carry your GIBBERISH outta here

Romans 11:35-36, Paul the apostle says Jesus came through Jehovah God his Father.

Paul the apostle is not stupid.

Your own Bible has exposed your delusion & FALSEHOOD.

Delete Romans 11:35-36 & have peace.

Emusan:


Good! So was God lying to the Old Testament people then?

Now you have accepted that Jesus Christ is a Creator because ONLY a Creator can CREATE.

Anyways, I know you will change mouth again.



No one disputes this.

But at least you believe God can't lie by claiming to create everything ALL BY HIMSELF.



But it was Christ who CREATED EVERYTHING

But you said above that "at Hebrew 1:10, he claimed that his son created" can you see how confused people like you who follow doctrines of men can be?

Solve the one you put yourself into first!