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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Emusan(m): 10:19am On Aug 12, 2023 |
cornelboy: At least you see that I'm quoting the scripture and not another Book. Jesus never claimed to be the creator. But the scripture says He is the Creator. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Emusan(m): 10:36am On Aug 12, 2023 |
At least you try to make sense this time around but anyways you'll always meet me at home for Bible study. Janosky: 1 Corin 1:20,24 didn't says Jesus is a PERSON CALLED WISDOM stop lying against the Holy scripture. "However, to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ is the power of God and the wisdom of God. - NWT Jesus is the POWER of God and The WISDOM of God says the Holy book. Proverbs 8:27 & 1 Corinthians 8:6, Jesus Christ is NOT the Creator. Jesus Christ is the Creator John 1:3, Colo 1:18 [b]Is Jesus Christ the first born a person? Jesus is a person, do you have problem with that? Dubious worshipper of the lying 8 old men in Warwick twisting the Word of God. Proverbs 8:27 dey your Bible? So it was not Jesus who created the Heaven. So who created heaven? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() He is NEVER the Creator. But Jehovah USED HIM to CREATE ALL Is your brain paining you? Carry your question to God , ask where his son lived before heaven was created. Now I should carry my question to God simply because you know a created Being needs space to occupy ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This is where you dull JWs failed. God created both heaven and earth before creating the Angels, man & everything to occupy them because every normal people know things created need space to occupy. Thank God, God is not like dull JWs. Nah Hebrews 1:9 dey give Emusan Sifia pains & WAILING The pain must be too much for the worshiper of the lying 8 old men in Warwick ![]() ![]() ![]() Jesus Christ get companions nau Yet you still believe Jesus is the ONLY ONE CREATED DIRECTLY BY Jehovah. Is that not stupidity? ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 1:11pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: lost false jw mad max all you so called "God's people" do is come here to argue with Christians and call them names, talk about blinded: 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 1:40pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Emusan:Nope you misinterpreted. God is the creator. God created through Christ. That's it. 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 1:42pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman:Nobody is equal to God the Father. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 1:59pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:You're right Sir. Do you know those verses that Jesus taught us to pray for enemies and love them? These people don't follow it. And that was one of concerns before I started studying with the JWs. Despite Jesus's teachings on praying for our enemies and not hating them, we would pray to God to kill our enemies and do them bad in our church. I would wonder, would God answer this evil prayers? I knew it wasn't right. I grew in the CAC church. It's common in all those pentecostal churches. But when I found out that JWs don't pray that way, they would never pray against their enemies, I was so happy. They are the only ones following every Christ teachings and doing all God's will back to back. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Emusan(m): 3:22pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
cornelboy: Quote the verse I misinterpreted. God is the creator. I never deny that. God created through Christ. That's it. I never deny this either. Though you left most of my points unaddressed which is the reason you can't come with any rebuttal. Did God lie that He created everything ALL BY HIMSELF? Did God lie that His VERY RIGHT HAND stretched the Universe? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:58pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman: Let me see the performance of those whom your god has revealed itself to first because that's the only thing that can make me feel like getting a Revelation from the god but if it's still about you people with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines then i already know that your god can't be the one i want to worship! ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:00pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman: Let's see the performance of your fellow believers in that your god first nah! James 2:18-26 ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:02pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman: Nobody is telling you to call the name of angels when praying, that's the import of what you quoted but as for Jesus of Nazareth whose existence has been before the world he is the Archangel Michael! ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 8:18pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman: Why you dey come Nairaland dey make FALSE claims? Your mom do not know the Jesus Christ of Matthew 16:13-17 whom God revealed to Peter the apostle. That is the reason she followed your Dad to worship his 3 deities. Jokerman: After Jokerman' prayed to his 3 deities, he found out that his own Jesus Christ is NOT in Matthew 16:13-17. Oga, carry your GIBBERISH outta here. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 8:32pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman: Jokerman post : "Jesus is Jehovah." ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() What a Mumu, unscriptural revelation! Jokerman: Very wrong, Sir. "One of/ the one" is Hebrew lexicon 259 meaning First, Senior in Daniel 10:13, Exodus 1:15, Genesis 10:25. Go to Hebrew lexicon of Daniel 10:13 check word for word meaning & cure your ignorance. ![]() Archangel Michael is the First, the leader of all angels. Is Jesus Christ leading all angels @ Matthew 25:31, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 & 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 in your own Bible? In your Bible @John 5:28 & 1 Thessalonians 4:16, Oga Jokerman, whose voice raises the dead? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 8:36pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman: Jokerman post: " Jesus is Jehovah". Oga Jokerman, you are not even honest to yourself on this forum. ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 8:58pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman:1. Your English John 1:1 is not the same with the Greek John 1:1. Check Acts 12:22-23 & Acts 28:6,in your Bible and learn something. Where ever & whenever Greek Theos is not referencing the Almighty Father, Theo's is a god. The correct rendition of John 1:1 is the word was a god ("was a god",the same Greek expression in Acts 28:6). More so, your Trinitarian mentors biblehub, Strongs,Thayer & Briggs Greek Concordance confirmed that there is no capital Theo's @ John 10:33. Your Trinitarian translators were DUBIOUS to put capital God @ John 10:33 .(Oga,go & confirm this PROVEN fact). Further evidence that the word was a god @ John 1:1. 2. In John 10:30 , Father meaning Senior, Elder. In John 17:21-22, Jesus Christ says his Senior (the God his Father), the disciples and Jesus are one. Oga, your claim on John 10:30 is built on quick sand. ![]() ![]() ![]()
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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 9:05pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman: Was Jesus Christ called the lamb in the old testament? Was Jesus Christ called the Word in the old testament? Oga, in your Bible @ Genesis 3:15, the Seed defeated the Satan. Oga, who is the serpent @ Genesis 3:15 & Revelation 12:7-9? @ Revelation 12:7-9 & 1 John 3:18, Oga who defeated Satan? Oga,go & rest, you no know your Bible ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 10:16pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Emusan: Emusan Rebuttal and acceptance. Emusan is confused. ![]() ![]() ![]() Emusan:Yes. Emusan: The Bible itself, Bible scholars and your fellow Trinitarians PROVEN Emusan is LYING ![]() It is PROVEN that Jesus Christ is the instrumentality of creation @ John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrew 1:2. God his Father is the Creator, 1 Corinthians 8:6. The guy no go agree but he no get liver to delete Proverbs 8 :27 & 1 Corinthians 8:6 from him Bible. ![]() Emusan:Proverbs 8:27 & Isaiah 44 :24 dey cause Emusan Sifia pains ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Emusan:Emusan go & paste Proverbs 8:27 & Colossians 1:16 into your brain, your comprehension skills is very poor, Mr dullard. ![]() ![]() Emusan:Emusan so fond of LYING ![]() ![]() ![]() Oga,Is Job 38:1-7 in your own Bible? Emusan:Job 38:1-7, Jehovah's answer to Job exposed your delusion & FALSE claims. Emusan ,Carry your GIBBERISH outta here Emusan: Romans 11:35-36, Paul the apostle says Jesus came through Jehovah God his Father. Paul the apostle is not stupid. Your own Bible has exposed your delusion & FALSEHOOD. Delete Romans 11:35-36 & have peace. ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 10:18pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Emusan:In your brain not the holy scriptures. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 10:18pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Emusan:In your brain but not the holy scriptures. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 10:21pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman:Archangel Michael well known as Jesus Christ quoted from Zechariah 3:2 as he also quoted Matthew 4:10 @ Deuteronomy 6:13. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 10:23pm On Aug 12, 2023 |
Jokerman:You placed them on the same pedestal with your assertion: Jesus is Jehovah. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 12:34am On Aug 13, 2023 |
Janosky: Ecclesiastes 7:6 For as the crackling of thorns under a pot, so is the laughter of the fool lost fraud jw janosky forever loving to blaspheme and call Father and Son and Holy Spirit 3 deities/3 gods you have also blasphemed and called the Christians Father and Son and Holy Spirit of the Bible: the 3 dog heads: Mat 12:31 Therefore I say unto you, Every sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men; but the blasphemy against the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven. Mat 12:32 And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it will be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming. and you have called the Christians Holy Spirit: the ole demon ghost other false jw's followed your lead saying: the unholy ghost etc. it was such fun for all you so called God's people |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 1:03am On Aug 13, 2023 |
Emusan:In the OT God claimed that he created with his own hands, at Hebrew 1:10, he claimed that his son created but at Hebrew 1:2 and John 1:3 both John and the writer of the book of Hebrews understood that "God created everything through Jesus Christ". In another words, God used Christ to create everything. Thus God is the creator. No place in the Bible did Jesus claim to be the creator. Go and solve the puzzle yourself. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 1:45am On Aug 13, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: for Christians the Lord Jesus is all that and so much more MaxInDHouse: their hopeless slogan "Jesus is Lord" cornelboy: ^^ some of the evil of lost false jw's to false jw's "Jesus is Lord" is a hopeless slogan: 1Co_12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit. 1Co 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. Joh 13:13 "You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 1:49am On Aug 13, 2023 |
johnw47:Lol |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 2:00am On Aug 13, 2023 |
cornelboy: corny boy you should get baptised by false jw's, you are one of them the above is what i said in reply to maximus69 many moons ago after his first post to me, critzying me for posting a song/poem praising The Lord Jesus Christ he soon afterwards got baptised, and so will you oh blinded one: 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 2:04am On Aug 13, 2023 |
cornelboy: corny boy, of course you laugh out loud to a Christian's declaration that Jesus is Lord 1Co_12:3 Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus is accursed"; and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit. 1Co 8:6 yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him. Joh 13:13 "You call Me Teacher and Lord; and you are right, for so I am. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 2:20am On Aug 13, 2023 |
it's common when a person finding one institution not measuring up then runs to another which is just as bad or worse |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:38am On Aug 13, 2023 |
cornelboy: When i first attend the meetings of Jehovah's Witnesses i was really impressed because they are really following Jesus' order back to back. So if someone say anything against them back then i only try to figure out if such a person knows how dedicated Jehovah's Witnesses are in doing what Christ commanded my brother it's either envy or misinformation that's worrying them! ![]() 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Emusan(m): 12:13pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
cornelboy: Good! So was God lying to the Old Testament people then? at Hebrew 1:10, he claimed that his son created Now you have accepted that Jesus Christ is a Creator because ONLY a Creator can CREATE. Anyways, I know you will change mouth again. but at Hebrew 1:2 and John 1:3 both John and the writer of the book of Hebrews understood that "God created everything through Jesus Christ". No one disputes this. But at least you believe God can't lie by claiming to create everything ALL BY HIMSELF. In another words, God used Christ to create everything. Thus God is the creator. But it was Christ who CREATED EVERYTHING No place in the Bible did Jesus claim to be the creator. But you said above that "at Hebrew 1:10, he claimed that his son created" can you see how confused people like you who follow doctrines of men can be? Go and solve the puzzle yourself. Solve the one you put yourself into first! |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Emusan(m): 12:14pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Emusan(m): 12:32pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
Janosky: Empty skull Janosense ![]() ![]() Yes. So why did you lie for your god against the Word of God? The Bible itself, Bible scholars and your fellow Trinitarians PROVEN Emusan is LYING Provide the Bible verse, the scholars and fellow Trinitarians that proof me wrong here or shut your gutters mouth forever. It is PROVEN that Jesus Christ is the instrumentality of creation @ John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, Hebrew 1:2. Dull worshiper of the lying 8 old men in Warwick. Christ is the Creator. God is not a liar like your gods in Warwick. God says He created everything ALL BY HIMSELF. Just tell me God lied. Proverbs 8:27 & Isaiah 44 :24 dey cause Emusan Sifia pains Who created the Heaven? You didn't answer this you this liar. If Heaven was created before Jesus that means Jesus wasn't the only THING Jehovah created directly by Himself according to your lying organisation. ![]() ![]() This is Isaiah 44:24 "This is what the Lord says— your Redeemer and Creator: “I am the Lord, who made all things. I alone stretched out the heavens. Who was with me when I made the earth?" This is God affirming of CREATING HEAVEN BY HIMSELF without anyone WITH HIM. So was God lying? Emusan go & paste Proverbs 8:27 & Colossians 1:16 into your brain, your comprehension skills is very poor, Mr dullard. After you remove Watchtower delusion then paste Isaiah 44:24, John 1:3 and Col 1:18 (which your demonic organisation even inserted dubious word "OTHER" into) into your empty skull. Emusan so fond of LYING So you believe I have Bible. Anyways, I didn't see where Jesus dwells before Heaven was created in Job 38:1-7. Kindly point out the verse. Job 38:1-7, Jehovah's answer to Job exposed your delusion & FALSE claims. So Jehovah answered to Job proof that Jesus lives in eternity with Jehovah before Heaven was created, do you agree? Romans 11:35-36, Paul the apostle says Jesus came through Jehovah God his Father. Yes as a Son He came through His Father. Paul the apostle is not stupid. Yes, I agreed but why are you stupid when reading Paul's letters? because the same Paul says Jesus is the Creator. Your own Bible has exposed your delusion & FALSEHOOD. Quote the Bible here. Delete Romans 11:35-36 & have peace. I'm not like Watchtower that has the mind of the Devil to delete or Add to God's Word. No peace for the wicked and God is angry with the wicked EVERYDAY! ![]() ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 2:00pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
Emusan:Argue with the Bible 2 Likes 1 Share |
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