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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 2:02pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Envy, misinformation or hypocrisy. Like that Pharisees did in the of Jesus and early church. 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 2:04pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
johnw47:What's the essence of shouting "Jesus is lord" but you don't even follow Jesus like the JWs do? 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:17pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
cornelboy: The truth is not far fetched, they only criticize Jehovah's Witnesses because we don't acknowledge their pastors as men of our God but the funny thing about them is that they're not even sure of those they're following as they can't agree on which of their so called pastors is really a God sent. If you ask each of them now to mention the name of their pastors and what their fellow Nairalander Christians have to say about the pastor you will be surprised that they don't have any that's why they're really worried as we know our own leaders and stick to their teachings {Act 2:42; Hebrews 13:7} while they are scattered (confused) in their opinion regarding who should take the lead among them! Luke 11:23 2 Likes |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Emusan(m): 2:32pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
cornelboy: And these are the Bible verses you're still contending with ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() NWT: Isaiah 48:13 "My own hand laid the foundation of the earth, And my right hand spread out the heavens. When I call to them, they stand up together. Isaiah 44: 24 "This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, Who formed you since you were in the womb: “I am Jehovah, who made everything. I stretched out the heavens by myself, And I spread out the earth. Who was with me?" Just tell us that Jehovah was lying here! ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 6:28pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
Emusan:Lol have I ever disputed that he said that? He also said the son made the heavens and the earth.. Hebrews 1:10 [10]He also says to the Son, “In the beginning, Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth and made the heavens with your hands. And it says here that God created the universe through Jesus the son. [2]And now in these final days, he has spoken to us through his Son. God promised everything to the Son as an inheritance, and through the Son he created the universe. Figure it out 😂😂 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 6:29pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:Na politics dem dé play for all those churches oh. Dem dé buy position self 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:14pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
cornelboy:That's why it's difficult for them to love their fellow believers for real as the love of money and position surpasses the love they have for truth so during politics and racism they don't hesitate to pick up weapons against one another! ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 10:08pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
Emusan:Jehovah God did not lie. Isaiah 44:24, Isaiah 48:13= Proverbs 8:27. Your own Bible, Proverbs 8:27 PROVEN Emusan Sifia pains WAILING on Nairaland. ![]() ![]() ![]() "When HE (Jehovah God in verse 22) established the heavens, I (Wisdom, Jesus Christ in 1 Cor 1:20,24) was there." Daniel 4:30 is similar to Isaiah 44:22. Did Nebuchadnezzar say that he alone built his Palace? Yes. Daniel 4:30,Who was with Nebuchadnezzar when he built the palace? Emusan sold his brain to Trinity. ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 10:24pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
Emusan:Psalms 102:24-25 24I say: “O my God, do not take me in the midst of my days! Your years go on through all generations. 25In the beginning You laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of Your hands. Hebrews 1:10 is a copy of Psalms 102:25. Therefore, Hebrews 1:10 references Jehovah God, nothing there concern Jesus. Or : @ Psalms 102:24-25,do you agree that Jesus is the God of David? Mbanu!!! Proverbs 8:27 is the nemesis of Trinitarians. They are desperate to elevate Jesus above God his Father ( meaning God his Senior). ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Pastoshizzy(m): 10:35pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:25pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
Janosky: Don't mind trinitarians if JEHOVAH said He alone built everything they want to conclude that Jehovah must be Jesus but when Nebuchadnezzar said the same thing they won't conclude that the Babylonian King used craftsmen to do the job! Proverbs 8:30 ![]() 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 11:42pm On Aug 13, 2023 |
cornelboy: dum false jw corny boy, me no shout Jesus is Lord, me say Jesus is Lord, you false jw's can never stop lying, can you i don't do anything like you false jw's, some hang with me long ago trying to have me join, iv'e heard their lies when preaching, and what they say when not preaching first hand, for instance one said, "that house over there", pointing to a very nice house, "will be mine after armageddon" see how you people covert another false jw said to me, "don't keep talking about Jesus, He is no one" you false jw's are the great Jesus deniers, of course you don't like saying Jesus is Lord: 1Jn_2:23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. Mat_10:33 "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven. Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 12:29am On Aug 14, 2023 |
cornelboy: dum liar and false jw corny boy, you false jw's have been knocking Christians for saying "Jesus is Lord" and when i post scripture highlighting where it's said that Jesus is Lord you say: What's the essence of shouting "Jesus is lord" the clearest sign/mark that someone is of the devil is their speaking lies: false jw corny boy: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 6:44am On Aug 14, 2023 |
My last post to the deceived JW concerning Archangel Michael not being the same as Jesus Christ. 1. Jude 9 says that Michael would not rebuke or accuse Satan on His own authority, but only say “The Lord rebuke you.” This shows that Michael isn’t Jesus, because Jesus often rebuked Satan and demons in His own authority (Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:8, 4:35). 2. Who fights in this battle? This is truly a battle between equals. The dragon represents Satan (Revelation 12:9), and Satan is not the counterpart of God – God has no counterpart. If anyone, Satan is the counterpart of Michael, who seems to be the chief angel opposite this chief of fallen angels. 3. Some say Michael must be Jesus, because he has his angels. But if Satan – a fallen angelic being – has his angels (Revelation 12:7), can’t Michael – an unfallen angelic being – have his angels? 4. Why was Michael not able to cast Satan out of heaven until Jesus Christ was resurrected and taken back to heaven in revelation 12.. Revelation 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. Who is this man child?? Is this not Jesus Christ?? Now read what follows in the next verses Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, 12:8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. Why do you think there was/will be war in heaven?? This is because Jesus Christ ascended back to heaven and stopped Satan from accessing that realm again, and that's why Satan put up a fight with his angels. Prior to Jesus death and resurrection, Satan had access to heaven and kept accussing everyone before God, yet Michael and other angels has no authority to cast him out Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. So the JW should read this passage and see their folly of calling Angel Michael as Jesus Christ. Once you've seen Jesus, you've seen God. Janosky, cornelboy etc |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:12am On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman: If Tinubu sent someone to speak with your landlord but your co-tenants took Tinubu's representative for an intruder and beat him up. According to the law who did your co-tenants beat, the representative of Tinubu or Tinubu himself? I'm sure you will sleep comfortably in that yard after knowing about the incident nah! ![]() Ọmọ Moses was God's representative in Egypt so whoever has seen Moses as sent by God need not see God again because whatever they want to know about God at that point in time will be delivered to them by God's representative in their midst: Moses That's why God said to Moses: And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a God to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.Exodus 7:1 The only difference between Jesus and Moses is that one was a spirit son of God in heaven before coming to the earth (Archangel Michael) while the other is a descendant of Adam but both of them are God's representatives: I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.Deuteronomy 18:18 That's what the Almighty God about Moses and Jesus, Peter the apostle confirmed that Jesus is the PROPHET that's coming in the manner of Moses: For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.Acts 3:22 So anyone who has seen these two prophets has seen God because they're both God's representatives serving as God in the midst of their listeners! ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 7:25am On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman: and that's when He was a man, imagine what Jesus can do in The Spirit as The Word of God, The Word of God is Jesus name in The Spirit, not michael: Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 7:41am On Aug 14, 2023 |
johnw47: Archangel means the greatest of all angels and that shows he is God's chief spokesman among the angels: the word of God! |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 8:48am On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: oh duh lost false jw mad max archangel means chief angel of which michael is one of Jesus/The Word of God isn't just God's chief spokesman of the angels The Word of God is God's chief spokesman in everything you talk a lot of rot out of your head, don't you |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 8:50am On Aug 14, 2023 |
johnw47: I'm telling you 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:10am On Aug 14, 2023 |
johnw47: That's where we disagree! Archangel means foremost of all heavenly sons of God and there's no other. It's OK continue PREACHING and TEACHING what you know in your neighbourhood as long as it's yielding positive results {Matthew 7:16-18} and all those you're helping are also preaching zealously like real disciples {Matthew 28:19 compare to James 2:18-26} there's nothing to worry about! ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:14am On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman: Great! So keep telling all your fellow religionists so that they can become zealous in preaching and teaching just as real disciples should be doing in their neighbourhood! Matthew 28:19-20 ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 10:45am On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:This is super story 🎵 No nowhere in the Bible outrightly says Jesus is Michael and no where says he's not Michael. But the clues point that Jesus is was Michael. And the JWs weren't even the first people to conclude that. If you feel that they are different. No argument. But you cannot force your interpretation on anyone. The JWs don't force you to believe that. So just stay on your lane. But there are some teachings that are vividly explained in the scripture, for example the personality of God. God is one being or person, the Father. He's distinct. If tell me "three in one God" shit I can argue that one till death. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by cornelboy(f): 10:49am On Aug 14, 2023 |
johnw47:It's not just about quoting verses and shouting "Jesus is lord" but following Jesus and Jehovah's commandments and serving them. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 11:02am On Aug 14, 2023 |
cornelboy: lost corny boy you devils mob love repeating your lies, don't you, but you cannot help it, can you, it's your nature: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 11:07am On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: lost false jw mad max you can keep preaching/teaching lies forever, it will never make them true: Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:10am On Aug 14, 2023 |
cornelboy: If Jesus always claim to be God's son and God always refer to Jesus as His son that's enough to tell any right thinking human that Jesus must be one out of God's spirit sons in heaven: Angels! According to God's word all the angels are referred to as God's sons or STARS {Job 38:7} Satan is one of the chief angels so he also has his place among them {Job 1:6} Michael is the first of all that's why he's called "the Archangel" who is Jesus the bright morning STAR! Revelations 22:16 So it's clear that Jesus who calls himself the bright morning STAR is also one of the STARS: ANGELS! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 11:13am On Aug 14, 2023 |
cornelboy: sewer mouth, you perfect false jw, get baptised |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:20am On Aug 14, 2023 |
johnw47: If LIES can make disciples of people from all nations {Matthew 28:19-20} instill in their hearts love for enemies {Matthew 5 43-48} for neighbours {Mark 12:31} and for fellow believers {John 13:34-35} and erase the making, buying, selling and usage of weapons in their hearts {Isaiah 2:4 compare to Matthew 26:52} and make them the topic of all others claiming religionists! Matthew 5:14-16 Then present what TRUTH has been doing! James 2:18-26 ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 11:24am On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: lost false jw mad max Truth has been teaching the saved to avoid sewer talk you are full of never ending rubbish out of your head |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:31am On Aug 14, 2023 |
johnw47: Jesus said: "By their FRUITS you will know them" Matthew 7:16 James said: “You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works.” James 2:18 So if you say our teachings is LIES i think it will be better for you to present what your TRUTH is doing among adherents that we can all see in the society? ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johnw47: 11:52am On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: yes, by their fruits "sewer talk" you will know them MaxInDHouse: James said: you think saved christians don't have works along with faith shows how you have been blinded: 2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them MaxInDHouse: So if you say our teachings is LIES i think it will be better for you to present what your TRUTH is doing among adherents that we can all see in the society? you know i don't give pearls to satan's false jw dogs and pigs: Mat_7:6 Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 11:56am On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: And who told you believers don't do this? |
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