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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johhbekeboh09: 12:39pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by johhbekeboh09: 12:48pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
What's the name of the translation you quoted revelation '10:13': Ther's no revelation 10:13 in KJV & NWT |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 1:51pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
johhbekeboh09: That guy is uses the "Bible" in his head which different from the holy scriptures we all know. The holy scriptures of Revelation chapter 10 ended in verse 11. ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 1:58pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
cornelboy: "He also says to the Son", this expression is NOT in Hebrew 1:10. It's spurious Hebrews 1:10 is copied from Psalms 102:24-25. @ Psalms 102:24-25, is Jesus Christ the God of king David? No! Therefore, Jehovah God is referenced in Hebrew 1:10, this verse refers to Jehovah God. Proverbs 8:22,27, Jesus Christ ( Wisdom personified) stated that God his Father created the heaven. . 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:15pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
johnw47:The same verse most religionists claiming they are believers will quote yet all they have is mere arguments. Deeperlife against RCCG, Winners against Christ Embassy, MFM against Chosen. So if you can't mention the works you are doing in your faith that makes you a liar deceiving yourself! johnw47:You don't have anything tangible to say my guy you're just blabbing! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:18pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:Chai!, See how human being is deceiving himself! Guy you better repent and have a rethink! Who are those believers? In which of the churches are they operating as believers? All of us know that Christendom churches are contradicting themselves in their doctrines so which one is teaching what you can vouch for? ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 2:18pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman: Oga, for two (2) reasons you are not honest. @Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:35, did your own Bible say Jesus rebuke Satan? No,is the answer. Did your own Bible says Jesus had interaction with Satan @Matthew 17:18, Mark 1:25, 9:25, Luke 4:35? No,is the answer. In those portions of scriptures you cited, Jesus Christ expelled demons,Satan wasn't there. The other verse, Luke 4:8, what was Jesus doing in that verse? @ Luke 4:8,Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:13 ("Worship Jehovah your God alone" ![]() What was archangel Michael doing @Jude 1:9? Archangel Michael quoted Zechariah 3:2 @Jude1:9 saying: "Lord (Jehovah) rebuke you". This Jude 1:9 is further evidence of Jesus identity as archangel Michael because he quoted the holy scriptures of Zechariah 3:2 to challenge Satan in the same manner that Jesus Christ @Luke 4:8 quoted Deuteronomy 6:13 to challenge Satan. Jesus Christ is archangel Michael, the angel of the Lord @ Genesis 16:7 already confirmed by your fellow Trinitarians. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:21pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
johhbekeboh09:Out of envy he quoted Daniel 10:13 but since they're not used to teaching anyone he labelled the verse with another name! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 2:53pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Janosky: Matthew 17:18 And Jesus rebuked the devil; and he departed out of him: and the child was cured from that very hour. Mark 1:25 And Jesus rebuked him, saying, Hold thy peace, and come out of him. Matthew 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. Hope you've seen all those above? 2. Then in Revelation chapter 12. Can you explain why Archangel Michael couldn't cast out the accuser from heaven until the man child was taken up to heaven? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 2:53pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman: Genesis 3:15 = Revelation 12:7-9,1 John 3:8. This biblical evidence is very lucid like daylight. Jokerman:Angel meaning Messenger/Minister/Son of God. Sir,I have 2 questions for you: According to your own Bible , John 7:16,Matthew 20:28 & Matthew 16:16-17, did Jesus Christ say himself is a Messenger/Minister/Son of God? Yes, Jesus is! According to your Bible from Genesis to Revelation, @Matthew 25:31, 1 Thessalonians 4:16 & 2 Thessalonians 1:8, Daniel 10:13, Daniel 12:1 & Revelation 12:7-9,who is the angel leading other angels in battle and victory? Looking at the screenshot, Hebrew 259 lexicon "one of/the one" meaning 'First', Senior @ Daniel 10:13, Exodus 1:15,Genesis 4:19,Genesis10:25 etc. Jesus Christ is Senior to ALL angels, leading them in battle and victory. ![]() ![]()
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Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 2:59pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman: Matthew 17:18" Jesus rebuked the demon, and it came out of the boy, and he was healed at that moment." Oga, stop TWISTING the holy scriptures. ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:03pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:Has he been given the authority yet? Matthew 28:18 What you don't know is that Michael always come to the rescue of God's people anytime Satan attacks so he is doing the same thing when he came to the earth but after his earthly mission has been completed {John 19:30} he was resurrected into glory that's why he could say ALL powers has been given him now {Matthew 28:18} but before then all he could do is scare away Satan just as he did when other lesser angels wanted to bury Moses and Satan came to make use of his body, just as he did when a lesser angel was sent to Daniel and Satan blocked the angel from reaching Daniel, just as he did when he's human and demons were possessing his own people right in his presence. But after his resurrection he has been given the power to oust Satan and other demons from heaven yet he must wait for orders from his father who is the father of all other angels too! Psalms 110:1-2 ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 3:05pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:Mark 1:24-25 Jesus Expels an Unclean Spirit …24“What do You want with us, Jesus of Nazareth? Have You come to destroy us? I know who You are—the Holy One of God!” 25But Jesus rebuked the spirit. “Be silent!” He said..... Oga, Stop DECEIVING YOURSELF. ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 3:08pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:Jesus challenged the devil with this quote of Deuteronomy 6:13. The same manner archangel Michael challenge the devil with a quote of Zechariah 3:2 :"the Lord (Jehovah) rebuke you". |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:18pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Lol...so when did he get this authority? Is it when he died and resurrected and went back to heaven? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:21pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Janosky: Lol...English is not hard. Michael said," The Lord rebuke you" See Jesus own, "Get thee behind me,Satan" Jesus was a direct speech. Michael needed authority to do so... You know why?? Because Michael and Satan are equals... But Jesus had no equal. Michael and his angels fought the Devil and his angels. Jesus never needed to fight, just his appearance destroyed the Devil and his agents.... All in the book of revelations |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:22pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Janosky: Oga, what's this?? Are demons not devils?? Are they not fallen angels along with their master, Lucifer? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:25pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:After his successfully earthly mission he said: When he had received the sour wine, Jesus said: “It has been accomplished!” and bowing his head, he gave up his spirit. John 19:30 So after his resurrection he could say: "All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth" Matthew 28:18 |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:29pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: So why did Jesus give authority to us believers before he was resurrected? Or did Archangel Michael have the power to give authority to humans too? Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name. 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven. 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven. Then read what Jesus said here! Luke 10:22 All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:29pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:Simply means "get out of here" Which anyone could say to a colleague who is trying to disturb you on duty. Note that Jesus couldn't attack anyone during his earthly ministry rather he was hiding and running away from his enemies but after his resurrection he attacked Saul from the sky. That's what all AUTHORITY means! ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:30pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: So what Authority did Jesus give to believers before he died and resurrected. Luke 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:33pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: The same Jesus that was healing the sick, casting out devils or gave his disciples power to cast out devils or the same Jesus that shut up the raging waves or Jesus that dried up the fig tree?? Jesus was hiding and running from his enemies 🤣🤣🤣... JW man,please tell God to open your eyes with the help of the holy ghost to understand the things of God... Please |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:33pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:That's the authority all faithful servants of God have as long as they're doing God's work they have the right to send away demons who are trying to disturb them. Note that demons have no right on planet earth it was sin that granted them access to this planet otherwise Satan and his demons has no right to dispossess humans of their sanity. So servants of God has the right to send them away! ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:38pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman: Ọmọ he was hiding from those who wanted to kill him: So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus HID and went out of the temple. John 8:59 But after his resurrection he attacked Saul from the sky! Act 9:3-4 So why didn't he do the same to those who were trying to kill him? ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 3:40pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman: Thanks for this question. 1. Because Jehovah God works with timeline to fulfill his purpose, Ecclesiastes 3:1,8. Revelation 12:7-9. 2. Also, because Jesus Christ is archangel Michael. The answer is in your Bible. Psalms 110:1 "Jehovah said to my Lord (Jesus): Sit at my right hand until I make your enemies a stool for your feet". Peter @ Acts 2:32-36, revealed that the prophecy of Psalms 110:1 was fulfilled after was raised from death to life in heaven. Ephesians 1:20-22, at the appointed time,God his Father gave the Order for Jesus/ Michael the archangel leading other angels in battle to "make his enemies a stool for his feet" chasing them out of heaven. 1 John 3:8 "for this purpose Jesus Christ (as archangel Michael) was made manifest (in Revelation 12:7-9) to destroy the works of the devil". To fulfill the first prophecy of the holy scriptures: Genesis 3:15= Revelation 12:7-9,1 John 3:8. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:41pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: You said Jesus Christ had only authority after he resurrected, but when he was Michael he had no such authority... And I gave you a scripture that Jesus had the Authority even before he was resurrected. See Archangel Michael is the angel in charge of War. There is also archangel Gabriel,Uriel, Raphael... The El in these names mean God. Samael, Azazel were all archangels before they connived with the Cherubim Lucifer and rebelled against God. Now they are all accusing humans against God When Jesus ascended back to heaven, He stopped their entrance into that realm and that's what prompted the war, and archangel Michael now with the authority of the Son Jesus Christ was able to overcome the Devil and these fallen angels and threw them out of heaven onto the earth... And hence the relief below.... 👇 Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:43pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Janosky: He is really disturbed! His trinity doctrine is been dragged in the mud right in his eyes so he had to come back after declaring he wants to drop his farewell address! ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 3:45pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman:Did Matthew 17:18 , Luke 4:35 etc say nah demons were expelled? Yes. |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:46pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Janosky: Revelation 12:1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne. Now see the chapter 👇 Revelation 12:6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days. 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Now.. 1. Are the man child and Michael the same? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:47pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman: Ọmọ humble yourself and learn! The Archangel Michael had authority before coming to the earth but the power for him to bound other angels hasn't been given to him until his successfully earthly mission so he can only scare them away as they already know how great he is back in heaven! God never declared any other loyal angel's name apart from Michael and Gabriel your Uriel and Raphael are demons found in magic books not in the Bible! ![]() |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Jokerman(m): 3:48pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Janosky: Are demons not working with Lucifer?? Wait, why are they called devils or Satan? Did God created them to be Satan or devils or demons? Are they not all fallen angels? |
Re: Why Yahushua The Messiah Can't Be Michael The Arch Angel. by Janosky: 3:50pm On Aug 14, 2023 |
Jokerman: Mark 8:33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God...." Oga, please stop TWISTING the holy scriptures. ![]() |
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