johnw47:

false jw's spend much of their time trying to show from the Bible things about them,
Christians on the other hand show from the Bible things about Christ: that "Jesus is Lord" for example, false jw's preach mostly about how good false jw's are, Christians preach mostly about how good Christ is

That's because Jesus belongs to God so all sects can continue claiming they're worshiping or working for him.
For instance Muslims also claim they believe in Jesus so what makes them different from you if not just words of mouth? Matthew 15:7-8
That's why Jesus said there must be WORKS to distinguish his true disciples from all other religions disguising as his followers! Matthew 7:21-23

Janosky:
Emusan LIAR, continue DECEIVING YOURSELF.
Greek Hebrew 1:10
"And, in the beginning....."

Hebrews 1:10 Greek screenshot is against your FALSEHOOD

So what purpose of screenshot Greek of Heb 1:10 without telling me your point?

Deluded JWs.

I'm expecting you to provide different scholars which says it's about Jehovah.

Dull JaNosense

cornelboy:
He claimed he did

God didn't claim. Stop this nonsense.

God actually created EVERYTHING according to the scripture.

and still said the son did

So who actually did it?

they are the same person you say

Yes! because two DIFFERENT people can't claimed one thing.

or trinity doctrine has wounded your reasoning.

Where did I talk about Trinity since our discussion started?

Definitely, you're afraid of something

God created through Jesus. Simple!

The question is who actually carried out the activities? This is the question you're still dodging.

Prov 8 that your deluded brother is pointing you to, still shows that it was God Himself carrying out those activities.

God is the creator. Everything still goes to God.

No! The scripture described WHO actually carried out the activities.

God says HIS OWN HAND STRETCHED OUT THE HEAVENS,

Everything Jesus used was from God...

So Jesus was holding God's hand to stretch out HEAVENS.

Well I'm expecting you quote the scripture.

See how demonic doctrines are destroying your life.

You still have a lot to learn!

Of course I'm not above learning but you that you have attained the height of learning.

Where did the Son carry out a single creation activity?

Janosky:

Emusan LIAR, you break speedometer for dullness.

See how he stylishly boycotted all my points without addressing one.

Anyways, I know your style.

Quick Reminder:

1. You claimed God is the one who created heavens and not Jesus Christ and at the same time.

2. You claimed Jesus is the ONLY one directly created by Jehovah and Jehovah used Him to CREATE ALL (OTHER) things. (Contradiction)

3. You provided Prov 8 where the Wisdom was sitting watching how God is carrying out the activities of the creation which supports other scripture where God actually says He created everything ALL BY HIMSELF.

Lying liar JWs!

Janosky:
Emusan confused LIAR

JaNosense the deluded dullard

Proverbs 8:27-30
27“When He prepared the heavens, I was there, When He decreed a vault on the face of the deep,

28“When He set the clouds above, When He made the fountains of the deep strong,

29“When He gave to the sea its limit, So that the waters would not transgress His command, When He decreed the foundations of the earth,

So who is the speaker and who is the "HE" that is carrying out what described in those verses?

1. Wisdom/Jesus = The speaker
2. God = He
3. I'm confused I don't know

30“Then I was beside Him, a master workman

He WAS BESIDES HIM not that HE WAS THE ONE DOING THE WORK.

This should tell you that, the wisdom is of that infinite Wisdom of God which Paul said He's the person of Jesus because this wisdom isn't created but has been in existence alongside of God.

Emusan's says Jesus the Wisdom of God is an ONLOOKER in Proverbs 8:27-30.

But you didn't highlight anything the wisdom do in those verse.

Is your brain paining you?

The created work man called Wisdom/Jesus Christ

What did the wisdom actually do in those verses you quoted above?

Emusan relegated to "ONLOOKER"

Then point out the work wisdom actually performed in Prov 8.

Olodo...

MaxInDHouse:
They say the wisdom of God is not a person on his own {Proverbs 8:1} yet Paul made us understand that Christ is the one called the wisdom of God! 1Corinthians 1:30

If not because you're olodo...

Do you know the implication of that Paul statement against your doctrine?

If you can interpret that verse accordingly, then you will know you and Paul aren't on the same page.

Paul also said Jesus is the POWER OF GOD

Is Power of God a person?

In the message to Mary, the Angel told her that "The POWER OF GOD will overshadow her..."

Which means without Jesus, God doesn't have power and wisdom.

But if you understand that Jesus is the very "essence God Himself" then you won't have problem.

I'm just tired of trinitarians!

Your tiredness just started, JWs have been battling with Trinitarians for more than 100years so relax and feel more tiredness

Emusan:

Without Jesus, God doesn't have POWER and WISDOM.

God has always been there it's Jesus (Archangel Michael) who has a beginning as the firstborn of all creations {Colossians 1:15} so it's when God started creating things that His POWER and WISDOM became manifest. Proverbs 8:1, 22
For instance nobody can say China has the potential in technology until they began inventing so many things so we can say their WISDOM and POWER became manifest through their innovations.

That's the practical application of what you're reading not that God doesn't have power and wisdom without Jesus, God could have created another person like Jesus to be His first born son!

See the way he boycotted my question.

Is Power of God also a person?

MaxInDHouse:
God has always been there it's Jesus (Archangel Michael) who has a beginning as the firstborn of all creations {Colossians 1:15}

Yet you agreed He is the POWER of God and the WISDOM of God.

so it's when God started creating things that His POWER and WISDOM became manifest. Proverbs 8:1, 22

But you said the POWER AND WISDOM is a PERSON. so what does God start using in CREATING THINGS?

For instance nobody can say China has the potential in technology until they began inventing so many things so we can say their WISDOM and POWER became manifest through their innovations.

But this is the actual interpretation of that Prov 8 not that the Wisdom their is a person but the infinite Wisdom of Yahweh brought into manifestation for the purpose of creation.

So you can see that you're the one who is wrong by equating that to be a PERSON.

That's the practical application of what you're reading not that God doesn't have power and wisdom without Jesus

But 1 Corin 1:20 specifically stated that Jesus is the POWER OF GOD AND THE WISDOM OF GOD.

If you interject this into creation account then you can see why Scripture says Jesus is the CREATOR and the Father is also the Creator.

I know Watchtower has made you reduce God to ordinary human.

Learn learn...

God could have created another person like Jesus to be His first born son!

Jesus was not created John 1:3 "All things came into existence through him,+ and apart from him not even one thing came into existence." - NWT

Do you understand this verse?

Well without removing Watchtower Vail from those eyes this same verse from your NWT won't still make sense to you

Emusan:

Is Power of God also a person?

Power and Wisdom of God are used by Paul to illustrate how much his fellow believers could gain by learning about Christ that's why he told them:
For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ! 1 Corinthians 2:16
Without Jesus the believers can't gain the accurate knowledge of the true God regarding WISDOM and POWER.

China already had the potentials before they began inventing what the world can see but when we see their product we can grasp that they are both powerful and wise through the things they're producing.

Emusan:

Jesus was not created John 1:3 "All things came into existence through him,+ and apart from him not even one thing came into existence."

The firstborn of all creations {Colossians 1:15} is enough to prove that Jesus (Archangel Michael) was created for there can't be any firstborn who is not part of those being born:

“The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old"‭‭ Proverbs‬ ‭8:22‬ ‭NIV‬‬

https://link.bible.app/link/Yc8u

So God first created Jesus (Archangel Michael) then impart in him the knowledge to create all other things that's why he is called FIRSTBORN!

MaxInDHouse:
Power and Wisdom of God are used by Paul to illustrate how much his fellow believers could gain by learning about Christ that's why he told them:
For “who has come to know the mind of Jehovah, so that he may instruct him?” But we do have the mind of Christ! 1 Corinthians 2:16
Without Jesus the believers can't gain the accurate knowledge of the true God regarding WISDOM and POWER.

Don't change mouth

Is Power of God and Wisdom of God a person according to Prov 8 and 1 Corin 1:20?

You already have illustration how this is about Yahweh Wisdom brought forth for the purpose of creation.

China already had the potentials before they began inventing what the world can see but when we see their product we can grasp that they are both powerful and wise through the things they're producing.

Does Yahweh Wisdom and power a person?

Stop this division tactics Oga Ade

The firstborn of all creations {Colossians 1:15} is enough to prove that Jesus (Archangel Michael) was created for there can't be any firstborn who is not part of those being born:

Paul made it clear in the same Col 1:18 the reason why Jesus has to be FIRST in EVERYTHING.

and he is the head of the body, the congregation.+ He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,+ so that he might become the one who is first in all things; - NWT

If Jesus was the firstborn (meaning first created), why must there be a need for Him to still be FIRST IN EVERYTHING?

Yahweh is the BEGINNING does that means Yahweh was CREATED or one can ASK, the BEGINNING OF WHAT?

“The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old"‭‭ Proverbs‬ ‭8:22‬ ‭NIV‬‬

But the speaker here isn't a PERSON but infinite Wisdom of Yahweh.

Again, if you claimed this to be Jesus, then why not started what He created in the following verses but rather the speaker was saying it was God Himself who is carrying out those activities?

Did God not used Jesus to create ALL OTHER THINGS again?

So God first created Jesus (Archangel Michael) then impart in him the knowledge to create all other things that's why he is called FIRSTBORN!

Can you point out "OTHER THINGS" Jesus created according to Prov 8?

I know you and your cohort will never address this.

FIRSTBORN simply means the first among those being born!
For instance there are billions of humans on this planet today but there is no single human born without Adam being the ancestor! Luke 3:23-38
The same applies to Jesus, because he was given the power (ability) to create other things doesn't make him more than a creature just as Adam can't be separated from all those being born by God even though he is the father of all humans today.
Do you now understand?

Emusan:

Don't change mouth ;DIs Power of God and Wisdom of God a person according to Prov 8 and 1 Corin 1:29?You already have illustration how this is about Yahweh Wisdom brought forth for the purpose of creation.Does Yahweh Wisdom and power a person?Stop this division tactics Oga Ade ;DPaul made it clear in the same Col 1:18 the reason why Jesus has to be FIRST in EVERYTHING.Yahweh is the BEGINNING does that means Yahweh was CREATED or one can ASK, the BEGINNING OF WHAT?But the speaker here isn't a PERSON but infinite Wisdom of Yahweh.Again, if you claimed this to be Jesus, then why not started what He created in the following verses but rather the speaker was saying it was God Himself who is carrying out those activities?
Did God not used Jesus to create ALL OTHER THINGS again? Can you point out "OTHER THINGS" Jesus created according to Prov 8?
I know you and your cohort will never address this.

Keep dodging my point but I'll keep bringing them up for you.

MaxInDHouse:
FIRSTBORN simply means the first among those being born!
For instance there are billions of humans on this planet today but there is no single human born without Adam being the ancestor! Luke 3:23-38

Nobody disputes that but why would anyone later said Adam needs to BE FIRST IN EVERYTHING if it's already established that Adam is actually the firstborn?

Definitely, Paul knows exactly what he was saying but you never.

The same applies to Jesus, because he was given the power (ability) to create other things doesn't make him more than a creature

Point out just ONE THINGS Jesus created. Why are you afraid of quoting scripture to support your claim?

At least Prov 8 went further to detail what were created and who was creating them.

just as Adam can't be separated from all those being born by God even though he is the father of all humans today.

Irrelevant and never in connection to the POV.

Why was Paul said Jesus must BE FIRST IN EVERYTHING after it was already established that Jesus is the firstborn which you take to be FIRST CREATED? That's the point.

Do you now understand?

I do. Do you understand too?

Emusan:

Why was Paul said Jesus must BE FIRST IN EVERYTHING!

That supposed to be Adam's position before he lost the privilege of being God's first Son through whom all humans must learn about our heavenly father who is the father of our earthly father. Deuteronomy 6:6-7
So had it been Adam remained obedient to his heavenly father whoever dishonour Adam will be exterminated by God Himself:

“Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live a long time in the land that Jehovah your God is giving you" Exodus 20:12

So Adam supposed to be the first in anything we do on this planet if he had remain obedient that's why Paul likened Jesus to Adam:

“The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit! 1Corinthians 15:45

Jesus (Archangel Michael) came to replace Adam otherwise we wouldn't have any need of him coming to this planet in the first place Adam would have remain the everlasting father of all mankind!

Smile.....

People can see how empty you are

Is Power of God and the Wisdom of God a person?

Point out ONE THING Jesus created

MaxInDHouse:
That supposed to be Adam's position before he lost the privilege of being God's first Son through whom all humans must learn about our heavenly father who is the father of our earthly father. Deuteronomy 6:6-7
So had it been Adam remained obedient to his heavenly father whoever dishonour Adam will be exterminated by God Himself:

“Honor your father and your mother, so that you may live a long time in the land that Jehovah your God is giving you" Exodus 20:12

So Adam supposed to be the first in anything we do on this planet if he had remain obedient that's why Paul likened Jesus to Adam:

“The first man Adam became a living person.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit! 1Corinthians 15:45

So Adam must also be FIRST BEFORE HEAVEN AND EARTH were created

Here it is again: "and he is the head of the body, the congregation.+ He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead,+ so that he might become the one who is first in all things; - NWT

Jesus (Archangel Michael) came to replace Adam otherwise we wouldn't have any need of him coming to this planet in the first place

Say the truth and you won't die.

Jesus won't have any need to BECOME PART OF CREATION in the first place.

That was the message of Paul in Col 1& Heb 1 and the reason why Paul said "He must be first in everything"

In simplicity, Paul says Jesus is outside Creation as the Creator of All things both hidden and visible, heavens and earth and now that He has become part of the creation then He must be first in all things.

Adam would have remain the everlasting father of all mankind!

Not the point and stop deviating.

Ọmọ there is no amount of argument you're putting up the firstborn child will forever remain one of the children!

Emusan:

Jesus won't have any need to BECOME PART OF CREATION in the first place.

The point is mankind wouldn't have any need of Archangel Michael (Jesus) at all on this planet if there was no rebellion.
So he has played his part in God's work just as all others have played their part, the one and only person we will know here on this planet is Adam because he's human that's visible nobody will think of any heavenly creature talkless having him in our midst!

MaxInDHouse:
The point is mankind wouldn't have any need of Archangel Michael (Jesus) at all on this planet if there was no rebellion.

Smile.... that's not the point.

The points are:

1. Jesus is the Creator so he can never be Angel.
2. The scripture says God created everything.
3. Jesus is the Power of God and the Wisdom of God.
4. The wisdom in Prov 8 isn't a person but the manifestation of Yahweh infinite Wisdom for creation purpose.

So he has played his part in God's work just as all others have played their part, the one and only person we will know here on this planet is Adam because he's human that's visible nobody will think of any heavenly creature talkless having him in our midst!

Irrelevant! Stick to the POV which are:

Is Power of God and the Wisdom of God a person?

Point out ONE THING Jesus created from the scripture.

Emusan:

Smile.... that's not the point.
The points are:
1. Jesus is the Creator so he can never be Angel.

Firstborn {Colossians 1:15} worked with his father as craftsman when creating other things {Proverbs 8:30} he can't be separated from other children of God who are spirit creatures: Angels!

Keep dodging them

Is Power of God and the Wisdom of God a person?

Point out ONE THING Jesus created

MaxInDHouse:
Firstborn {Colossians 1:15} worked with his father as craftsman when creating other things {Proverbs 8:30}

That makes Him the Creator

he can't be separated from other children of God who are spirit creatures: Angels!

because He Created those Children of God including you

Emusan:
Keep dodging them
Is Power of God and the Wisdom of God a person? Point out ONE THING Jesus created
That makes Him the Creator
because He Created those Children of God including you

The innovation is not his own instructions is from his father: the Grand Creator! John 5:30

MaxInDHouse:
That's because Jesus belongs to God so all sects can continue claiming they're worshiping or working for him.
For instance Muslims also claim they believe in Jesus so what makes them different from you if not just words of mouth? Matthew 15:7-8
That's why Jesus said there must be WORKS to distinguish his true disciples from all other religions disguising as his followers! Matthew 7:21-23

since you false jw's are still sewer mouths and liars etc.
then all other works are just self righteousness



lost false jw mad max

right, you agree with me that you fraud jw's spend much of your time talking about yourselves
while we Christians talk abou Christ

johnw47:
false jw's spend much of their time trying to show from the Bible things about them,

Christians on the other hand show from the Bible things about Christ: that "Jesus is Lord" for example,

false jw's preach mostly about how good false jw's are,

Christians preach mostly about how good Christ is

false jw's:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

MaxInDHouse:
Which of your numerous sects is practicing CHRISTIANITY?
CHRIST JESUS prayed to his father for his disciples to have the same line of thought {John 17:22} he taught them to love their fellow believers just as he love them {John 13:34-35} he warned them not to hate their enemies {Matthew 5:44} he asked them to pray and bless their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} he taught them to separate themselves from worldly politics! John 17:14
So Mr John which of all these mixed up sects is practicing what Jesus commanded as a group today?

lost false jw mad max

like i say and like you keep showing, you false jw's mostly talk about your self righteous selves,
while Christians talk about Christ, and my post was about your ridiculous claim that:
if Christians don't tell you false jw's about the works we do, then we are liars.

see how you false jw's are so confused:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

MaxInDHouse:
The quoted verse is talking about members of Jehovah's Witnesses within our gathering each of us is contributing to the great work we are doing globally as we have the undeserved kindness (grace) to participate in it so none of us should boast that he's greater than his fellow JW who is also contributing his or her quota in the disciple making WORK assigned to all of us.
Not faithless miscreants claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines like you people that will quickly pick up weapons against one another in the face of politics and racism then say you have the grace to kill your fellow worshipers! Matthew 7:21-23

Job_15:12  Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at


lost false jw mad max

you think much of God's word is about your sect,
well you are right in a way, verses like john 8:44 arebut verses about the Church are not

eph 2:8-9 is about saved Christians being saved by God's Grace, and not by works,
you are of course truly confused and deluded:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

MaxInDHouse:
The quoted verse is talking about members of Jehovah's Witnesses within our gathering each of us is contributing to the great work we are doing globally as we have the undeserved kindness (grace) to participate in it so none of us should boast that he's greater than his fellow JW who is also contributing his or her quota in the disciple making WORK assigned to all of us.
Not faithless miscreants claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines like you people that will quickly pick up weapons against one another in the face of politics and racism then say you have the grace to kill your fellow worshipers! Matthew 7:21-23

Job_15:12  Why doth thine heart carry thee away? and what do thy eyes wink at



lost false jw mad max

you think much of God's word is about your sect,
well you are right in a way, verses like john 8:44 are, but verses about the Church are not

eph 2:8-9 is about saved Christians being saved by God's Grace, and not by works,
you are of course truly confused:

1Co 14:33  For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints

and you lie like hell, of course:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

MaxInDHouse:
Which of your numerous sects is practicing CHRISTIANITY?
CHRIST JESUS prayed to his father for his disciples to have the same line of thought {John 17:22} he taught them to love their fellow believers just as he love them {John 13:34-35} he warned them not to hate their enemies {Matthew 5:44} he asked them to pray and bless their enemies {Luke 6:27-28} he taught them to separate themselves from worldly politics! John 17:14
So Mr John which of all these mixed up sects is practicing what Jesus commanded as a group today?

lost false jw mad max

u use many words to tell a lie

truly dum dum, Christendom and Christianity mean the same thing,
except for you false jw's who change the meaning to have it agree with what your people told you:

Christendom. / (ˈkrɪsəndəm) / noun. the collective body of Christians throughout the world or throughout history. an obsolete word for Christianity.

false jw's:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

johnw47:

jw's spend much of your time talking about yourselves while we Christians talk abou Christ.

You need to understand what happened in the first century!
There were several sects claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham Isaac Jacob and Moses in the Jewish community, all quoting Moses {John 9:28} when Jesus came he was also quoting the laws Moses gave the Israelites! Luke 18:20
So why did the Jews hate him?
Well he was teaching people the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what is written in the Mosaic laws {Matthew 19:3-9} that is what makes the difference!

All of you are claiming believers in Christ by honouring Jesus with your lips but when it comes to practical applications of what he taught each of you choose a teacher that suit you {Matthew 15:7-8} that's why you can't present any group that's practicing what Jesus commanded rather you're feeling bitter that JWs are talking about the practical applications that's yielding positive results in their midst!

I have been asking you for almost three days now to point out what Jesus taught and the group that's practicing it among the numerous sects you're referring to as "CHRISTIANS" but you're just quoting scriptures out of context.
We all know that there are thousands of sects claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines and their members aren't in agreement so which of them is actually practicing Christianity?

That's what makes Jehovah's Witnesses stand out as we can present our group and what we have been achieving with what Jesus taught! Matthew 5:14-16

MaxInDHouse:
You need to understand what happened in the first century!
There were several sects claiming worshipers of the God of Abraham Isaac Jacob and Moses in the Jewish community, all quoting Moses {John 9:28} when Jesus came he was also quoting the laws Moses gave the Israelites! Luke 18:20
So why did the Jews hate him?
Well he was teaching people the PRACTICAL APPLICATION of what is written in the Mosaic laws {Matthew 19:3-9} that is what makes the difference!
All of you are claiming believers in Christ by honouring Jesus with your lips but when it comes to practical applications of what he taught each of you choose a teacher that suit you {Matthew 15:7-8} that's why you can't present any group that's practicing what Jesus commanded rather you're feeling bitter that JWs are talking about the practical applications that's yielding positive results in their midst!
I have been asking you for almost three days now to point out what Jesus taught and the group that's practicing it among the numerous sects you're referring to as "CHRISTIANS" but you're just quoting scriptures out of context.
We all know that there are thousands of sects claiming Christians with contradicting teachings and conflicting doctrines and their members aren't in agreement so which of them is actually practicing Christianity?
That's what makes Jehovah's Witnesses stand out as we can present our group and what we have been achieving with what Jesus taught! Matthew 5:14-16

lost false jw mad max

like i have been saying, you false jw's keep talking about yourselves while christians talk about Christ.

you rarely answer to what is said, perhaps you are hearing voices in your head.


quote where i post scriptures out of context, u come back with that now, you hear:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

johnw74:

eph 2:8-9

By this undeserved kindness you have been saved through faith, and this is not of your own doing; rather, it is God’s gift. No, it is not a result of works, so that no one should have grounds for boasting.

Each member of Jehovah's Witnesses is playing his role in the disciple making WORK assigned to us globally, we are preaching and teaching in our neighbourhood just as Christ Jesus commanded us {Matthew 28:19-20} if i preach to someone i must also go back to visit the person to encourage him or her so as to apply what Jesus taught us {Act 15:36} but what if there is no means of seeing him again perhaps he moved out of the territory where i preached to him? Then another Jehovah's Witnesses will find him because he will hear the same thing i told him from my brothers anywhere he goes {John 17:22} that's what will help him to continue learning from the JWs in his new destination so i planted and my brother in another place water {1Corinthians 3:6} but both of us are doing the same work since it's just to make disciple for Christ.
So what Paul is saying here is that neither i nor the other JW brother should boast that it's him that converted the new disciple rather it's God who made the seed grow! 1Corinthians 3:7

That's the practical application of what you just quoted but regarding the WORKS of FAITH you need to present a group whose activities is performing the same way i just explained and the outcome of their doctrines.
That's what i'm asking you if you can't do that then it means you're just deceiving yourself you don't know the job given to the disciples of Christ. James 2:18-26

johnw74:

quote where i post scriptures out of context, u come back with that now, you hear:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Please what is the essence of the scripture you quoted above?

Satan is a killer and he doesn't stand firm in the truth.
We are talking about the ACTIVITIES of Christ's true disciples that will help onlookers to IDENTIFY them as a group in the society! Matthew 5:14-16
Let's analyze your favourite scripture that you often quote!
Jesus was talking to Pharisees and Sadducees in the first century Jewish community, these two sects are working together as the Jewish high court, they are politicians who KILLS anyone opposing their position as rulers {John 11:48, 53} and since they DON'T HAVE THE TRUTH they're confused about doctrines {Act 23:7-8} that's why it's fitting to say they're of their father the Devil as KILLERS and LIARS.

So how do you apply that verse to the conversation we're having now regarding the IDENTITY of the group that's practicing what Jesus taught?

MaxInDHouse:
By this undeserved kindness you have been saved through faith, and this is not of your own doing; rather, it is God’s gift. No, it is not a result of works, so that no one should have grounds for boasting. Each member of Jehovah's Witnesses is playing his role in the disciple making WORK assigned to us globally, we are preaching and teaching in our neighbourhood just as Christ Jesus commanded us {Matthew 28:19-20} if i preach to someone i must also go back to visit the person to encourage him or her so as to apply what Jesus taught us {Act 15:36} but what if there is no means of seeing him again perhaps he moved out of the territory where i preached to him? Then another Jehovah's Witnesses will find him because he will hear the same thing i told him from my brothers anywhere he goes {John 17:22} that's what will help him to continue learning from the JWs in his new destination so i planted and my brother in another place water {1Corinthians 3:6} but both of us are doing the same work since it's just to make disciple for Christ.
So what Paul is saying here is that neither i nor the other JW brother should boast that it's him that converted the new disciple rather it's God who made the seed grow! 1Corinthians 3:7
That's the practical application of what you just quoted but regarding the WORKS of FAITH you need to present a group whose activities is performing the same way i just explained and the outcome of their doctrines.
That's what i'm asking you if you can't do that then it means you're just deceiving yourself you don't know the job given to the disciples of Christ. James 2:18-26

lost false jw mad max

whatever is said you, your reply is about false jw's, your idols,
or you are replying to voices in your head


and like i have said many times to you, i don't chat with you satan's mob,
i mainly just show a very few of some of your very many lies:

Mat_7:6  "Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine,

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

johnw74:

i don't chat with you satan's mob,
i mainly just show a very few of some of your very many lies

I'm here for you today!

So mention the LIES that Jehovah's Witnesses are saying because if you and i disagree on doctrines it means one of us is lying and to cut the long story short present two out of all the sects you're referring to as "Christians" who are in AGREEMENT regarding doctrine!

MaxInDHouse:
Please what is the essence of the scripture you quoted above?
Satan is a killer and he doesn't stand firm in the truth.
We are talking about the ACTIVITIES of Christ's true disciples that will help onlookers to IDENTIFY them as a group in the society! Matthew 5:14-16
Let's analyze your favourite scripture that you often quote!
Jesus was talking to Pharisees and Sadducees in the first century Jewish community, these two sects are working together as the Jewish high court, they are politicians who KILLS anyone opposing their position as rulers {John 11:48, 53} and since they DON'T HAVE THE TRUTH they're confused about doctrines {Act 23:7-8} that's why it's fitting to say they're of their father the Devil as KILLERS and LIARS.
So how do you apply that verse to the conversation we're having now regarding the IDENTITY of the group that's practicing what Jesus taught?

lost false jw mad max

john 8:44 also talks about liars who are of their father the devil
and you false jw lie like hell

example, just 4 which immediately come to mind, with out wasting much time searching:

u said that u can defeat 6 armed military combatants single handed
u said i am a pastor of a church
u said that i am oloodegbu
u said that i am emusan

and u repeated these lies over and over again teaching others to believe you,

yea you are very clearly a liar, a son of the father of lies the devil:

Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, that is his natural way of speaking, for he is a liar and the father of lies.