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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Enzo5: 7:59pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
afrodoc2:intelligent write up but still doesn't stop creativity. Tactics are supposed to bring out the best in the team. Hazard didn't stop being Hazard because he played for Mourinho neither did Ronaldo. I don't think tactics can completely change a player who has flair and creativity, it may hamper them like Ziyech but a good coach uses tactics to his team's strengths and not to hinder it. Pep didn't hinder Robben dribbling, nor KDB playing dead balls with how strict he is. I would say the more prevalent press tactics has called for more players with work ethic than with flair, but player like Kvara, Leao still exist and thrive. It's just more difficult with opposing teams being more organised with zonal marking and new defensive structures than they used to be 20yrs ago. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Enzo5: 8:01pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Ibime:that's why Hazard was one of the best ever players in EpL 10 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Enzo5: 8:03pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Jamie Carragher’s ranking of the 4 £100m+ midfielders who moved in 2023 : 1) Jude Bellingham 2) Enzo Fernandez 3) Declan Rice 4) Moises Caicedo. No way Jude is better than Enzo, this english player tax to put rice before moises |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Enzo5: 8:08pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
I don't think players like Zidane and Okocha thrive due to space available, they were just too creative even in a tight space their football brains were not limited. I admit I don't know how they train youth footballers these days but most would prefer going back, passing back than facing a defender and thinking of how to pass. I agree with the decline, you can't compare Brazil of 15years ago to Brazil of today 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 8:15pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Some Chelsea fans on Twitter nor get sense. You signed two defensive midfielders that are astute with the ball you still want a left back that can defend in Chilwell when he should be bombarding forward in search of goals since he is good at it. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 8:18pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Ibime: Players can't dribble like before. Some players of past decades will dribble shege out of your life in a small circle cos they didn't need that much space to dribble. Now what most players call dribble is simple push and run. The major reason is because all those shege dribbles are coached out of most players these days at a young age. The coaches will rather ask them to pass back and build up from the back again rather than try to find creative individual solutions. The player who dribbles rather than follow tactical instructions will soon find himself on the bench. I agree about the defensive blocks being an issue these days though and alluded to that in my earlier post. The days of a winger twisting and turning his full back's blood into thick clot are long gone. 4 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Fortuneleonard: 8:18pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
WhoDeyHause:Bro,sent you a mail. Reply |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 8:22pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Enzo5: LOL the zonal marking and new defensive structures are part of the tactical inputs i mentioned. More people on the defensive block is another. Counter-pressing is another. When there is more structure and less freestyling it helps inferior players in bridging the gap with superior players. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by donjazzet: 8:24pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
afrodoc2: I'm a bit confused by your stance, are you of the opinion that football is better today than it was before or that football has regressed, attractiveness wise? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 8:27pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Sevilla go in front. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 8:29pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
MorataFC: I was mainly addressing his second point about boring games. These days teams sometimes use tactics to neutralize each other to death leading to boring games. In terms of quality it is likely that teams are now better in terms of physical ability and tactics but they might not be better in terms of technique. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 8:31pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
andrewbaba44:How many goals wey she Don score? Ever, in a world cup? 🤣 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 8:31pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
This Seville goalkeeper get pass for leg |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 8:32pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Ibime:You have come again. After all these years you won't let this name go |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 8:33pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
afrodoc2: I strongly disagree. Defenders are no longer mumu. All of them have seen those skills a million times and many of them can do those skills. This is not the days when every team played in a silo and you'll be seeing some skills for the first time when you meet the opposition There are much more dribble types than before and players are all exposed to them. Even on amateur level, there are far more dribbles and dribbling styles than when I was playing actively. The amateurs of these days can twist blood out of some of the pros of those days because those pros won't have seen those skills. Go to any power league or YouTube amateur channel and see what I'm saying 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 8:36pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Unlimited22: Why would I let the reliable and still cheap option go. Someone who never let Newcastle down when he stepped in. Plus he's English, filling up HG spot. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by afrodoc2: 8:47pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Ibime: I don't agree. There might be better teams defensively now but individually defenders are not as good as the 90s and 2000s for instance. Shey its all these Lindelof, TAA, and Dalot and co. Mitoma is using ordinary cutting without dropping shoulder to cause heart attack all over the place against these defenders. If you isolate a single defender against a good dribbler he must chop. What they are doing now is community defending not that the individual defenders are better. Okocha will take the souls of these modern defenders. Just that his coach will sub him off after 1st half for being unserious. 8 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kilishihunter: 8:48pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Ibime:Players like vinicius junior and musiala are still disgracing players around Europe. I agree with afrodoc on football being more mechanical due to higher emphasis on measured tactics. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kilishihunter: 8:59pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
WhoDeyHause:James has mostly spoilt her chances of winning even the young player of the tournament talkless of the Ballon d'or after her moment of madness, Even if she does something huge like scoring a hat trick in the final which looks less likely cause of the occasion it still won't be enough, Kerr dropping out in the semis has given bonmati a free run |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 9:09pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
afrodoc2:True @bolded. And this In turn reduces the flair of the game and in essence also reduces the excitement the game is suppose to have. And like you said, even flair players are often ditched for hardworking, system players You see that dribblers, I can count on one hand good frequent effective flair dribblers on one hand in Europe and e no reach 5 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 9:09pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Unlimited22: You wan bet say bonmati no go win am or not |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 9:10pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Kilishihunter: Even without that moment of madness she no go smell ballon d or |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by MorataFC: 9:11pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Enzo5:...then what now happens, are there no star players in Brazil again? The situation is other teams have measured up to the standard through the modern training facility that is available now, not that they lack star players. Gone are the days when Super Falcon will defeat African opponents 11-0, 8-0, 7-0, why we can't have such a scoreline again, it's just because all other teams have measured up through exposure to modern facilities, not that Super Falcon lack stars players. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Kilishihunter: 9:17pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
andrewbaba44:She started very well in the group stage before disappearing against Nigeria and stamping alozie, As bonmati don turn enter final like this it's sealed especially when she still has a chance to be the POTT if she does well, Even young player of the tournament isn't sure for Lauren again unless she pulls a madness in the final |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 9:20pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
MorataFC:I don't know about the super falcons but you see them Brazil set of R9, Dinho and co, in terms of quality, this present Brazilians no reach them Sometimes, I wonder if some of these Brazilians are truly Brazilians sef. Vini, as good as he is, will turn average in that set. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 9:21pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Sevilla should try and finish this abeg |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Unlimited22: 9:24pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Jodera:The only current person who would also have been a star in that set is Neymar. Na why him career trajectory Dey itch me anytime I remember am. This dude made Ballon d'or top 10 as a teenager playing in Brazil. Then 2013-16 Neymar was just different gravy. There was one time Messi got injured or so and he just kept on coming clutch. Now he's is Saudi at 31, hasn't won the UCL in 8 years and probably never will again, never won a ballon d'or, and has had his knees kicked to death in France. Mtchew. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by MorataFC: 9:25pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
andrewbaba44:ghengen |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by andrewbaba44: 9:32pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Jodera: 9:36pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Unlimited22:Exactly, only Neymar. The guy was too good! It's just so unfortunate that one ill-advised decision cost him his career. I think the time you talked about was the 2014/15 season where him and Suarez just deh pieces la Liga with reckless abandon in the absence of Messi Omorr, those two where different gravy sha Some of these Brazilians wey I dey see, even to dribble person one on one dey hard dem. Give correct precise pass too na waec. Omorr, Brazil is no longer Brazil |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by lordfalcao(m): 9:36pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
Cole palmer is a baller |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 9:37pm On Aug 16, 2023 |
This Sevilla team are defensively good. |
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