NairaLTQ:

Believing in something means you ascribe and subscribe to it.

How many transgenders have you met in Nigeria? I don't know of Any. Thus it's is in a preview of BELIEF to take any stand wrt it in Nigeria.

Transgenderism is not an idea like god, which you can subscribe and ascribe to, it’s a reality than you can easily confirm.
No need to subscribe or ascribe to it.

KnownUnknown:


Transgenderism is not an idea like god, which you can subscribe and ascribe to, it’s a reality than you can easily confirm.
No need to subscribe or ascribe to it.

Too bad!

NairaLTQ:

Whatever is truly know must have convincing proof: isn't it?

Yes it must. There is convincing evidence to prove that all the gods that have ever been have all been created by human beings.

The question is do you have the ability to see such evidence when it is placed before you?

NairaLTQ:

You know!?
Just as you know that 4+6=10! ?

A 2D Being living in a 2D space swears that he KNOWS that VOLUME of objects doesn’t exist.

Why is that you do not ask me to believe 4+6=10?

Why do you believe you are "A 2D Being living in a 2D space", and thereby limit yourself thus, when you can easily choose to believe you are a multidimensional being living in a multidimensioned universe?

NairaLTQ:

Sorry!

All I am saying is that you have no way of knowing.

All you really are saying is there is no way you can know. That you can't use your own heart and soul and mind and being to ask and knock and seek, and you are not aware that some would go as far as first visiting the Jesusoptician to get Jesusglasses so they can see better when they do their knocking, with a hammer.

Caution: Other opticians exist. And knocking tools too!

NairaLTQ:

Think about it: If there is any Creator at all, he would not be made up of matter. If the Creator is not made up of matter, how on earth can you claim you know?

"Think about it if", lol, is like asking me to create a creator in my head and then start believing that the creator I create in my head actually exists. If it were food, you'd be asking me to imagine I ate a 12 plate dinner, and you now ask why I claim I'm hungry.

Matter is not the only method of assessing the existence of a thing. Gravity is not matter, yet not many argue it's existence. Nor do many argue the occurrence of evolution, which some argue its effect, mostly noticeably on matter, is now being recognised in ideas.

A creator does not need to be made up of matter for the creator to exist. It must manifest in some way though, and all gods haven't so far, except in the minds of those who believe the crap they create in their own minds.

NairaLTQ:

A spirit is a no material being!
Believing in something means you ascribe and subscribe to it.

Ascribing to something does not give you the power to then claim what you ascribe to is real and exists!

I used to ascribe to the fact that I had a million pounds in my bank account. Unfortunately I could never find a salesperson who'd swop me it for a Ferrari.

budaatum:

The atheists will say the onus is on the believer, and not on them to prove the impossible. I too think they talk rubbish!

I wonder if you've heard about the million pounds in my bank account. I've had it a few months now, and plan to go to the Ferrari shop and buy a spanking brand new red Ferrari with it. Problem is that the Ferrari salesman will not take my word for it. So I'm thinking of telling him the million pounds is divine and cannot be seen, but he will receive it in his dreams. Yep, that might work. Except last night in my sleep I ate a meal of pounded yam and egusi soup with panla, bokoto, abodi and the most succulent ogunfe meat and washed the whole lot down with one big odeku beer. It was served by 6 of the most beautiful naked women you could ever imagine who rubbed my belly and kissed my lips as I ate. I was so full I could burst! Funny though, I woke up starving and had to eat two eggs on toast to alleviate my hunger!

I just hope the Ferrari salesman does not say, "that's okay, we'll deliver the Ferrari, in your dreams!

TenQ:
Assignment :
Without the use of machines or any mechanical aid, 10 of you should carry an alligator over the roof of a bungalow from the ground level


Note:
If you are in a hurry, watch the video from 1:45 mark.
It's just brilliant!

I can't just help marvel at my God.
Why?
Look at these ants, their brain is probably 1/(1,000,000) times smaller that my brain, yet they displayed this amazing brilliance in completing a task that many civil engineering students will fail.

These ants,
Their life span is so short - - meaning that not much can be passed down from the wiser ones
They can't speak nor write - - the best they can do is to lay down chemical trails which is at best a mundane way of communicating.
BUT
They just seem to know
They seem to know about organisation
They seem to have a grand purpose
They seem to be highly intelligent


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RkUIGNVY50

What do I see:
Divine Programing by the Source of Life:
1. With Data and Purpose written in
2. With Instructions and Functions
Its a complete AI package written in the biology of the Ant.

If you have any problem with this, buy yourself a cold bottle of water and drink.

My God is amazing and it blows away my little sense.

I have found that many theists have this poor grasp of science that is amazing. Its like a bug in their brain that keep scientific contents constantly wanting.
Bro, have you researched anything about ants, at all?

TenQ:

Exactly!
You think it is automatic?

The ability was programmed in them

A fish's body is tailor made for swimming and once a fish hatches it just starts gliding in water. And the swimming helps them breathe. Not much required effort. Just like a human breathing which is effortless unless there is a pathology

TenQ:

Programmed into you. You didn't know that!?
LOL!

Have you heard about reflexes before? Many body functions are reflexes and doesn't require though. Breathing, stooling, urinating etc.
A little research should clear you up but no, you have to learn your biology from your pastor. Wonderful!

Wilgrea7:


This seems like an appeal to complexity, which has already been dealt with in my most recent thread. But for the sake of this thread, I'll go over it again, and explain a bit more.

Complexity exists. The concept of a thing being "alive" in itself is already complex, talk less of the said thing being involved in some sort of order.

Are what the ants doing impressive? Absolutely. It's almost impossible not to notice the incredible complexity and in some cases, order in just about everything around us. But this says nothing, and I mean absolutely nothing about a god.

God is not an answer to the question of complexity. You're only pushing the question forward, and failing to answer it by alluding to some uncaused first cause as the reason for complexity.. which still doesn't answer the question.

At the end of the day, you arrive at the very answer you dread, which is "it's just the way it is", or "we don't know". In either case, introducing a god into the equation is meaningless.

He's just god-of-the-gap-ping his way through life

TenQ:

The ants programmed themselves!

It is too easy to see now!
Dumb atoms coalesced together and suddenly acquired consciousness. Not only that, they grew Intelligence.

There wasn't any programmer behind the programming, the programs evolved by themselves from random assembly of atoms.

Tell me:
You go to Mars and find something that looks and functions like a computer on the planet. What would be the probability that it made itself?

So who programmed such a smart and intelligent programmer?

TenQ:

Of course if it looks and functions like the computer (branded or not) it would generate ALL forms of speculations other than "it probably evolved from the Martian elements over billions of years"!

Common sense tells us that the origin must be extraterrestrial to Mars.

Why?
To a large extent, we know the properties and limitations of the physical space including planets, elements and compound.
We know that the ever-present Entropy NEVER generates INTELLIGENCE but chaos?
Its the more reason why we attribute ALL the seven wonders of the world not to natural selection but to Intelligent humans building them EVEN when for many, we still can't fathom how the "primitive humans" acquired the technology for such.

The second part of the discuss is this:
What if the Computer-like devices on Mars acquired consciousness and decided that they evolved over billions of years from the natural elements of Mars (even if they were branded Hp or Dell)? Would you think this was a rational conclusion?

How is natural selection related to 7 wonders of the world?

Dtruthspeaker:


As I told you the destination is God The Creator of all the things we have seen and experienced in this world.

So, you are out of line when you start going beyond God enquiring into things we have never seen nor known.

So you are over reaching and going beyond the area and scope of argument.

So God is the Answer and that is where every valid argument stops.

Welcome from your ban. Hope you learned a lesson or two. I love vdestro your alt, tho

jaephoenix:

Welcome from your ban. Hope you learned a lesson or two. I love vdestro your alt, tho

We are taught to handle other people's things carefully, so I had to enter the strait jacket. But now I am free and i learnt nothing new. So i return back to the war with vengeance

jaephoenix:

I have found that many theists have this poor grasp of science that is amazing. Its like a bug in their brain that keep scientific contents constantly wanting.
Bro, have you researched anything about ants, at all?

No sir.
I know practically nothing about Ants as I've never read a single research paper or book about them and their behaviour. But I know that many Adult human beings who went to a tertiary institution will fail this exam. You care to educate me please!?

jaephoenix:

A fish's body is tailor made for swimming and once a fish hatches it just starts gliding in water. And the swimming helps them breathe. Not much required effort. Just like a human breathing which is effortless unless there is a pathology

Okay, just like we humans breathe abi. It is automatic.
I get it.

Is carrying a massive weight over an inverted obstacle (love ke upside down the lip of the pot) trivial and automatic.

You didn't watch the video clip : did you?

jaephoenix:

Have you heard about reflexes before? Many body functions are reflexes and doesn't require though. Breathing, stooling, urinating etc.
A little research should clear you up but no, you have to learn your biology from your pastor. Wonderful!

Are you saying that the mechanism of the Ants carrying this heavy weight is through a reflex action!? Wonderful : I didn't know that. I once passed a chemical practical exam too by reflex action. I was surprised I didn't have to read for the exam just like the Ants

jaephoenix:

So who programmed such a smart and intelligent programmer?

I was told that Sophie the AI Robot was found in the Amazon forest about 210 years ago: and no one programmed it. Isn't it amazing?

jaephoenix:

How is natural selection related to 7 wonders of the world?

You know over billions of years, the wind can start carrying grains of wet sand particles under great temperature and heat to build like say the pyramids at Egypt. This happened just before the Dinosaurs came into existence. A lot can happen in a hundred million years o

TenQ:

No sir.
I know practically nothing about Ants as I've never read a single research paper or book about them and their behaviour. But I know that many Adult human beings who went to a tertiary institution will fail this exam. You care to educate me please!?

Ok.
Our muscles as humans have limited power cos we have to carry our own body weight and also an external weight, like a object. That's not how ant muscles are fashioned.
Maybe you can educate yourself more. This ignorance is truly amazing.
https://entomologytoday.org/2014/02/11/ants-can-lift-up-to-5000-times-their-own-body-weight-new-study-suggests/

TenQ:

Okay, just like we humans breathe abi. It is automatic.
I get it.

Is carrying a massive weight over an inverted obstacle (love ke upside down the lip of the pot) trivial and automatic.

You didn't watch the video clip : did you?

I have responded

TenQ:

Are you saying that the mechanism of the Ants carrying this heavy weight is through a reflex action!? Wonderful : I didn't know that. I once passed a chemical practical exam too by reflex action. I was surprised I didn't have to read for the exam just like the Ants

No. Read my responses carefully. I was responding to your convo with Maynmann, not the video.
And no the ant carrying mechanism aren't reflexes

jaephoenix:

Ok.
Our muscles as humans have limited power cos we have to carry our own body weight and also an external weight, like a object. That's not how ant muscles are fashioned.
Maybe you can educate yourself more. This ignorance is truly amazing.
https://entomologytoday.org/2014/02/11/ants-can-lift-up-to-5000-times-their-own-body-weight-new-study-suggests/

Brute strength isn't everything bro!

This is why you are the classic example of the atheist that will fail this exam. Did you see how they carried the gecko over the lip of the flower pot?

I bet you never saw the technicalities they surmounted!

TenQ:

I was told that Sophie the AI Robot was found in the Amazon forest about 210 years ago: and no one programmed it. Isn't it amazing?

Sophia is a social humanoid robot developed by the Hong Kong-based company Hanson Robotics. Sophia was activated on February 14, 2016, and made its first public appearance in mid-March 2016 at South by Southwest in Austin, Texas, United States.

Copied.
Your ignorance is simply mind-boggling

TenQ:

Brute strength isn't everything bro!

This is why you are the classic example of the atheist that will fail this exam. Did you see how they carried the gecko over the lip of the flower pot?

I bet you never saw the technicalities they surmounted!

Sticky feet!
Arolia are located between the claws at the tip of every ant foot. These balloonlike pads allow ants to defy gravity and crawl on ceilings or ultrahard surfaces like glass. When an ant walks up a wall or across a ceiling, gravity causes its claws to swing wide and pull back.

The above combined with their exoskeleton structure allowed them to carry the gecko.
Any other questions, sire?

jaephoenix:

Sticky feet!
Arolia are located between the claws at the tip of every ant foot. These balloonlike pads allow ants to defy gravity and crawl on ceilings or ultrahard surfaces like glass. When an ant walks up a wall or across a ceiling, gravity causes its claws to swing wide and pull back.

The above combined with their exoskeleton structure allowed them to carry the gecko.
Any other questions, sire?

Thank God for Education, I’d have been a a believer.

jaephoenix:

Sticky feet!
Arolia are located between the claws at the tip of every ant foot. These balloonlike pads allow ants to defy gravity and crawl on ceilings or ultrahard surfaces like glass. When an ant walks up a wall or across a ceiling, gravity causes its claws to swing wide and pull back.

The above combined with their exoskeleton structure allowed them to carry the gecko.
Any other questions, sire?

And recent knowledge says that the ants can carry an infinite mass of a weight!

See why you will CERTAINLY fail this exam?

The Ants IQ seems higher than yours (no offence) as you still cannot see beyond brute strength!

jaephoenix:

Sophia is a social humanoid robot developed by the Hong Kong-based company Hanson Robotics. Sophia was activated on February 14, 2016, and made its first public appearance in mid-March 2016 at South by Southwest in Austin, Texas, United States.

Copied.
Your ignorance is simply mind-boggling

So it wasnt from the Amazon forest!?
Did it no program itself over billions of years?

TenQ:

And recent knowledge says that the ants can carry an infinite mass of a weight!

See why you will CERTAINLY fail this exam?

The Ants IQ seems higher than yours (no offence) as you still cannot see beyond brute strength!

No ants can't carry infinite weight. Did you even bother to read the link or you're bent on exposing more ignorance this fine morning?

TenQ:

So it wasnt from the Amazon forest!?
Did it no program itself over billions of years?

Did you read my deposition, or you just feel like ignorance is your motto today?

Look TenQ, I'm not an entomologist so some ignorance is allowed. But knowledge these days is getting decentralized and demystified. So instead of god-of-the-gap, while not actually use a lil bit of that 'god-given' brain of yours and doing a bit of researching.
Most of my knowledge of animals come from watching Nature, NatGeo Wild and other nature media

jaephoenix:

Did you read my deposition, or you just feel like ignorance is your motto today?

Didn't Scientific studies claimed that Sophia's software program evolved overbillions of years : I don't get it!

TenQ:

Didn't Scientific studies claimed that Sophia's software program evolved overbillions of years : I don't get it!

Scientific studies also “claimed” big bang and evolution, why cherrypicking the studies that suit you?