Ibime:


I asked if you are a child because you clearly don't know how international trade works

Nobody with spare refining capacity will buy your refined products. Oil is sold in barrels as raw crude as standard except the buyer does not have their own refining capacity. Even behemoths like Saudi and Russia sell raw crude. Nobody dey beg you for market, market price determines all things.

If you want refinery, you can make it a condition of tender and see who bites.

Nigeria has 3 refineries with Dangote to come on board. Even Dangote did not site his refinery in Niger Delta where the crude is lifted but set his refinery up to receive shipments in Lagos. It wouldn't matter if Dangote bought crude from Niger Delta or abroad he will still pay the market price which is currently fluctuating between $70 and $90.

It is up to you to add value to things. You can use $10m of Uranium to run a $10bln nuclear power plant, you say someone should build $10bln plant for you to buy $10m of uranium from you, when they can buy uranium elsewhere. Is that a joke?

You (Niger) don't even have capacity to run a nuclear plant nor have that much need for power, nor anywhere near the funds for yearly operational costs of a nuclear plant. Common Kainji dam already takes care of most of your power needs.

So your statement was just laughable and not worth discussing seriously, sorry if you found offence in it. I couldn't kill myself to point out obvious things.

The discussion was not about international trade but Western influence in the making of African leaders. The point was that having the bulk of the world's raw materials, if our leaders were independent they could drag industrialization into Africa through proper negotiations. If you had quoted my complete post, you would see where I was driving at.

I said so because I am informed that the reasons our refineries cannot work is because of suppression by the West using the leaders they have installed or control over the years. Nigeria would stop importing fuel for instance. This would create jobs and also bring development.

So the point of discussion was about Western influence in choosing African leaders.

Person Vote for the same candidate and party in two separate elections , yet he says it does not mean he supports the party/candidate

So what does it take to support a political party/candidate? Na until u shed ur blood in the name of the party/candidate ?

liveLongNprospa:
Diss.troy how true is this?

True. But Prospa, let's be honest - you and I are from core oil-producing communities.


Let's begin with the below:

Oil companies pay certain monies to host communities quarterly. Not yearly, but QUARTERLY - every 3 months.

Jobs and scholarships are allotted to these communities too.

Ask your paramount rulers, LGA Chairmen, and HoR members what they do with these regular allotments.They never make noise about it, but give it to their cronies or outrightly auction these allotments to the highest bidders.

Happens in Akwa Ibom, Rivers, Bayelsa, and Delta States especially. Are we going to blame that on the FG too?

No guarantees same wouldn't happen when the PIB stipulations are implemented. So, no, I'm not pumped about it.

Spy360:

No. You completely misunderstood me.

Let me start by saying based of eoconics, It is a known fact that better business management mean locating industries at the source of the major raw materials to reduce cost of production. So these companies would be willing to do so.

Corrupt African leaders have meant that our industries remain dead so that we continue to depend on foreign industries for finished goods whereas if we negotiated we could have those industries located here thereby creating jobs etc.

But we lose these jobs, and still have to pay expensively for the finished goods to be brought back. This process favours the West.

It is my opinion that Western powers ensure this happens by aiding these corrupt leaders to remain in power.

If you want to argue, do it based on the immediate paragraph above (bolded) if that is not your opinion. Stop deviating.

We import wheat from somewhere, Should those countries also ensure and mandate that we use their bakeries to make bread to follow your logic

the oil Saudi and Qatar is selling to the West are they insisting on the West refining it in Saudi after paying you for the goods you sold. Actually economics and trade demands that when a transaction is consummated, the buyer should immediately take possession. If you want them to situate their refinery there, then dont collect money for the crude.

How do Western powers ensure that corrupt leaders remain in power? Do they vote in our elections? Did they vote OBJ, Buhar Jonathan or Tinubu? Did they vote Chime, Obi TA Orji, Fayose, Alao Akala and Dapo Abiodun?

Was it not fellow Africans voting these people into power? When Biya keeps winning elections according to the Camerounian constitution suggest what the West should do?

BlueRayDick:
Person Vote for the same candidate and party in two separate elections , yet he says it does not mean he supports the party/candidate

So what does it take to support a political party/candidate? Na until u shed ur blood in the name of the party/candidate ?

To be a supporter means you will sold them to other people, you will have spoken well on their behalf numerously, you will have fought for them and defended them. Can you show me doing that for them?

Can you show izzou, an Obi voter, supporting Obi?

These guys don finish Burna boy kpata kpata.

This is a career ending hit piece.

donjazzet:


To be a supporter means you will sold them to other people, you will have spoken well on their behalf numerously, you will have fought for them and defended them. Can you show me doing that for them?

Can you show izzou, an Obi voter, supporting Obi?

Perhaps u didn't remember this definition of supporter when u crowned urself one of Buhari's biggest supporters.

afrodoc2:


So Dayo copied it from him?

Sensational.

Wahala no dey finish.

I am yet to get answers to these questions from our anti-west narrators.

1. Why are African borders closed to each other for trade and investment?

2. Why are African passports closed to fellow African countries for travel/ tourism and immigration?

3. How am I able to travel around Africa easily when I present a foreign passport than when I present a Nigerian passport?

4. Thoughts and comments about the Gabonese president and his cabinet found with millions of stolen cash and still asking us to "Make noise".

The Minister of Finance and Coordinating Minister of the Economy Chief Olawale Edun has said the last time Nigeria’s economy looked stable was about a decade ago.

He made this statement during his maiden press conference as Minister of Finance where he outlined President Bola Tinubu’s vision, agenda and strategy for the economy.

He said, “I think as we all know, we are not where we should be. The economy is barely growing above the rate of population growth.

“But it was not always so, and I think in trying to look at the way forward, if we now have a situation of slow growth, double-digit inflation, weak/depreciating exchange rate, as well as security concerns that are resulting in an economy that is not growing and not taking Nigerians out of poverty.

“If we think back to the last time when the economy was stable- when it was growing, when inflation was low, and the interest rate was affordable, that period was about a decade ago. Growth was about 6% in 2013 and 2014.”

https://www.nairaland.com/7825141/last-time-nigerias-economy-stable

So the last time Nigeria's economy was stable was a decade ago(under PDP)

E just remain small make Tinubu and his appointees open mouth talk true say APC's 8+ rule has been a colossal failure . na small e remain like this

Roland17:
I am yet to get answers to these questions from our anti-west narrators.

1. Why are African borders closed to each other for trade and investment?

2. Why are African passports closed to fellow African countries for travel/ tourism and immigration?

3. How am I able to travel around Africa easily when I present a foreign passport than when I present a Nigerian passport?

4. Thoughts and comments about the Gabonese president and his cabinet found with millions of stolen cash and still asking us to "Make noise".

1. The West made them close their borders
2. The West closed their passport to other African countries
3. The West didnt allow them to do this
4. They stole the money so they can hand it over to the West

Shebi Spy360 dey tell us say na West dey make us vote bad leaders all over Africa. You can see the millions of Westerners queuing at polling stations in African thumbprinting bad leaders for us

donjazzet:


To be a supporter means you will sold them to other people, you will have spoken well on their behalf numerously, you will have fought for them and defended them. Can you show me doing that for them?

Can you show izzou, an Obi voter, supporting Obi?

It's difficult to juxtapose saying you were Buhari's biggest supporter with you now saying your support was lukewarm, similar to Izzou's for Peter Obi. I don't expect Izzou to even in the peak of excitement say he was Peter Obi's biggest supporter because there's just no basis from where that feeling/statement would come. For you to have said you were Buhari's BIGGEST SUPPORTER, you at worst were a solid supporter of the man, maybe just not the biggest like you were trying to claim.

DonJ keeps digging a rabbit hole with this unnecessary shalaye

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Ellexy:
You mean after everything you've seen from 2015 till this point, if you're giving the chance to go back in time armed with all these knowledge you'll still boldly campaign and vote for Buhari and APC?

I'm surprised you are surprised. He's Buhari strongest supporter ffs.

nihilistjnr:


Hype and Bowl.

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Spy360:

The discussion was not about international trade but Western influence in the making of African leaders. The point was that having the bulk of the world's raw materials, if our leaders were independent they could drag industrialization into Africa through proper negotiations. If you had quoted my complete post, you would see where I was driving at.

I said so because I am informed that the reasons our refineries cannot work is because of suppression by the West using the leaders they have installed or control over the years. Nigeria would stop importing fuel for instance. This would create jobs and also bring development.

So the point of discussion was about Western influence in choosing African leaders.

The reasons our refinery doesn't work is not because West appointed NNPC DG. Our refineries have worked from 1970s to early 2000s. I live directly opposite PH refinery

We don't have the bulk of the world's raw materials either and don't produce anywhere near others. Pull up top 5 producers of Oil, Gold, Iron, Coal, Copper, Silver, Uranium and you won't see us there. You might see one. So you are woefully underinformed on what you are talking about and your deductions derive from lack of information

Theflint1:
It's difficult to juxtapose saying you were Buhari's biggest supporter with you now saying your support was lukewarm, similar to Izzou's for Peter Obi. I don't expect Izzou to even in the peak of excitement say he was Peter Obi's biggest supporter because there's just no basis from where that feeling/statement would come. For you to have said you were Buhari's BIGGEST SUPPORTER, you at worst were a solid supporter of the man, maybe just not the biggest like you were trying to claim.

Never forget he was the official stripper of the Buhari Campaign on Nairaland.

raum--deuter:

Dem no gree enter the bet jare, All those Atiku people no get liver

We go scatter this place with money. Na donjazet go strip for us.

donjazet:


GLADLY!
the direction of this election dey sweet my belle it shows that many nigerians are not entirely ignorant.

Such extreme declarations are indicative of more than support - it's obsession and fanaticism. He was the most Buharist of the Buharists on this board.

Don't got easy on lying hypocrites - hit hard.

DissTroy:


Never forget he was the official stripper of the Buhari Campaign on Nairaland.

Such extreme declarations are indicative of more than support - it's obsession and fanaticism. He was the most Buharist of the Buharists on this board.

Don't got easy on lying hypocrites - hit hard.

Nihilist let this beef go.
Stop hiding.

Amigoss:
DonJ keeps digging a rabbit hole with this unnecessary shalaye

I have to defend the rubbish if not it will stick.

I know for sure I wasn't indeed a strong supporter of Buhari.
You can wonder why no single evidence to that point has been brought forward bar a hyperbolic single statement.

We fight am till the end.

Theflint1:
It's difficult to juxtapose saying you were Buhari's biggest supporter with you now saying your support was lukewarm, similar to Izzou's for Peter Obi. I don't expect Izzou to even in the peak of excitement say he was Peter Obi's biggest supporter because there's just no basis from where that feeling/statement would come. For you to have said you were Buhari's BIGGEST SUPPORTER, you at worst were a solid supporter of the man, maybe just not the biggest like you were trying to claim.

Have you ever seen a supporter of a candidate that for 8 years will not have consistently made supportive posts towards the man but would instead make critical posts like these?

donjazet:
Buhari continues to surround himself with corrupt individuals.

I had thought that as a military general, he would be strong enough to fight the cabal.
Quite disappointed though.

In all these, take note, that there has barely been any post that supports the notion that I was "Buhari's strongest supporter".

No single policy defense, no cover up for their failures and fvck ups, instead you have constant rebuke of the party and those still supporting the party.

A hyperbolic statement made only once in 8 years doesn't stand.

You think nihilist and others wouldn't have dug up any supporting statement if it existed?

DissTroy:


Never forget he was the official stripper of the Buhari Campaign on Nairaland.





Such extreme declarations are indicative of more than support - it's obsession and fanaticism. He was the most Buharist of the Buharists on this board.

Don't got easy on lying hypocrites - hit hard.

A rare picture of Don J trying to support the motion which says “ A voter who voted for the same candidate in two different elections (over an interval of 4 years ) cannot be referred to as a SUPPORTER “

They will make Wale Edun retract that statement,APC is a cancer to Nigeria...

izzou:


E say e go strip for Buhari sef

Like ....Gbola and balls swinging hexagonally

Jesus!

And he gladly accept but he ain't serious

donjazzet:
In all these, take note, that there has barely been any post that supports the notion that I was "Buhari's strongest supporter".

No single policy defense, no cover up for their failures and fvck ups, instead you have constant rebuke of the party and those still supporting the party.

A hyperbolic statement made only once in 8 years doesn't stand.

You think nihilist and others wouldn't have dug up any supporting statement if it existed?

Hype up the bowl

donjazet:


Okoto meow! Oga this format don cast.

There is nothing I did not say about buhari. That he is his own man. That he is not new to the system.

That he is the one to control men like danjuma and the old military cabal. That he cannot work under anyone's influence. That he has proven himself with his 7 million votes won earlier and he was as ready as anyone can be to lead this nation.

That was all RUBBISH in the end.
I'm not calling for it again.
PDP and APC are one and the same.
#NoMore.

izzou:


E say e go strip for Buhari sef

Like ....Gbola and balls swinging hexagonally

Jesus!

HYPERBOLE

donjazzet:


Have you ever seen a supporter of a candidate that for 8 years will not have consistently made supportive posts towards the man but would instead make critical posts like these?

That means nothing, Laride has on a number of occasions criticized BAT doesn't make him any less a solid supporter of the man.

You were a supporter of Buhari in 2015 and 2019 and you continue to say even with hindsight you'd have supported the man in those election cycles...why so eager to have decisions you claim you don't regret not stick?

nihilistjnr:


Hype up the bowl

Maybe he was saying all these to himself alone, and it wasn't him actively marketing Buhari to people.

donjazzet:


To be a supporter means you will sold them to other people, you will have spoken well on their behalf numerously, you will have fought for them and defended them. Can you show me doing that for them?

Can you show izzou, an Obi voter, supporting Obi?

Donjazet2:


2. I campaigned and voted for buhari because I believed that as a former military general, he would be better equipped to handle the insecurity issue and that he wouldn't be easily controlled by the Cabal. I also believed he would fight corruption based on his work in ptf. But he failed woefully!!

Hyp Hyp Hypo Boli

nihilistjnr:





Hyp Hyp Hypo Boli

Hyperbole go hear am today!