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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by correctguy101(m): 10:18am On Sep 08, 2023
MindHacker9009:
Black magic for divination and remote controlling a person does exist and you can only find this out from experience.

And also

20 Paranormal Events Caught On Camera. The cctv ones are more real than than the other videos.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JpebIGeAuw

Avian dey... grin

Emphasis on the bolded. But these werey oversabi stiff-necked blockheaded children won't listen... cheesy


But no guardian of said knowledge would take the useless challenge serious. If they did, what was the use of hoarding and keeping such knowledge secret and hidden in the first place?

Imagine a Yoruba man was quoted as the challenger. An insult to awon Omo Luwabi.... Omo jati jati ni bobo yen o..

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 10:19am On Sep 08, 2023
correctguy101:


Please come clear some things for this ancestor.

How does Consciousness prove there's what you call Supernatural ?

And...

How is Nature another proof of Supernatural? Shouldn't all just be Natural ?

Mind you, I presently hold that the term supernatural is among one of the nonsense coined to explain events or principles of nature ignorant and ill equipped humans can't fathom at their current level. Lack of appropriate information mostly leads to calling many things supernatural and spiritual whereas they are all simply naturally occuring matters.

Don't you think we lack of appropriate information to reject supernatural does not exits?

Consciousness is supernatural and metaphysical by virtue of it existing outside the natural and physical world.
does science has scientific proof for conciousness?
Can you prove that conciousness is natural?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Knowledge23: 10:23am On Sep 08, 2023
in the world? There are about 3700 religions and Gods out there being worshipped but yours happen to be the correct one, how lucky of you. Do you know how many denominations the Christian faith has? I bet you don’t, it about 40,000 denominations (go Google it). So being born a Christian isn’t enough you still have to push your luck further and make sure you’re born into the right denomination or you risk hell fire (more fiction). I hope you’re in the right sect otherwise this would have been for nothing.

It’s all superstition to believe a man was made of mud, the whole world was created from nothing but the incoming woman had to be cloned from a rib bone and a talking snake (seriously?) deceived this woman to eat some fruit which made us all sinners … the story is out rightly comical, might as well have been written by a circus clown, that’s how funny it is if you had grown to the age of 19 and this story was presented to you for the first time. But since it was told to you since infancy you take it as true. If you step outside your dogma you might even notice how silly it is even right now.

If I told you that a donkey spoke to me you would instantly conclude that I’m crazy or you’ll ask to see the donkey yourself for evidence, hence you dismissed me on some rational grounds. But the minute you read it from the bible, rationality goes straight out the window and you believe in talking snakes and donkeys. So you believe in an ancient book written by ancient goat herders without evidence rather than your own critical reasoning.

It’s also superstition when washing of sins needs a human sacrifice (I’m talking of human ritual), nailing someone to a cross to remove sins is actually human ritual, which is what your God practices. Also it’s stupid to feel that one act can affect the other, how can the death of someone on a cross affect the cleansing of sin? What’s the correlation? This requires ignorant gullible people to believe, as a rational mind cant process the depth of foolishness involved to accept this as fact.

You called me gullible. Biggest laugh I’ve had in a long while. How is it that I’m the gullible one? You’re the one who believes ridiculous things like a girl supposedly a virgin magically delivers a baby boy by way surrogacy, this baby happens to be the son of God, this son also happens to be God himself also (talking about trinity, do you know the whole trinity thing and resurrection was only recently added to the bible by some monks less than a thousand years ago, it wasn’t there before). He died to wash away sin yet people still sin till this very day, how pathetic. How else do you define gullibility other than a bunch of people giving their money to a self-acclaimed minister of God for him to read from a book you all have a copy of once a week.

Nigeria loses over 20 percent of its internally and externally generated revenue to pastors who fleece more than 40 percent of the population with tax-free returns. Imagine billions of naira being lost all around the nation every Sunday, if these monies were diversified elsewhere we would be in the same league with irreligious countries like Japan, Sweden, Denmark etc. all their monies circulates within the economy and they just keep prospering. Our economy is being raped in the guise of religion.

Religion is make-believe.

Science is evidence-based.

Why don’t we see pastors in hospitals healing people in droves and emptying clinics off their patients? We see only doctors there using equipment and apparatuses provided by science because prayers won’t heal (forget the show you see on TV) you need drugs provided by science despite having faith as huge as a mountain in your choice deity. Since you like make-believe so much then just remain encased in your cocoon called religion and dream on. Zero advantage to be derived from it in the real world.

I don’t blame people like you and how you view the world because science is hard so why not believe the most simplistic tailor-made answer; Genesis 1:1 God create the heavens and the earth. Period. Ponder no more. Now, you don’t need to bother about finding out about “Abiogenesis” which is a tougher story to digest, no need to read heaps of science books, rather stick to that book written to keep you deluded for life.

God didn’t create man.

Man created God.

Man created god to explain away all the difficult questions.

Imagine 5000 years ago, a prehistoric man sees lightning zipping across the sky and even this lightning to his bewilderment strikes trees and causes fire. He had no explanation for this, so he begins to revere lightning, next he begins to worship trees struck by lightning, he worships rivers, rocks, sculptures and calls it God. Now, he passes this practice his sons and daughters, who also passes it on to their sons and daughters and now it has been passed to you through the ages (it has gone through many, reformations, reinterpretations, customizations, diversification etc.) and now you are going to pass it on to your sons and daughters too, they’re also going to pass it on too and it goes on like that. It’s the oldest running scam in history ever since medieval politicians understood the massive gains and benefit they could acquire from people’s gullibility (Read about: “East meets West” Greeks and Roman politicians partner up to form the biggest religion, Christianity)

Also, whenever you catch yourself quoting the bible like you did earlier, just know it’s all “circular reasoning”, the worse of its kind.

How do you know the bible is true?
Because it’s the word of God.
How do you know it’s the word of God?
Because it’s written in the bible.
How do you know the bible is true?
Because it’s the word of God.
How do you know it’s the word of God?
Because it’s written in the bible.

Circular reasoning because each need the other to prove the other and can’t be proven independently. Both of which, God and the bible has no irrefutable evidence to back its claim of existence and infallibility respectively. Since God has been camera shy for the last 2000 years and only resides in peoples heart it would be pretty tough to prove if he exists.

And as for the slavery thing you spoke about, you don’t want to get me started on that slavery write-up you made which was riddled with erroneous assumptions, it would only open up a different can of worms unfavorable to your argument.

Enough has been said.

Rise above superstition!

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by correctguy101(m): 10:26am On Sep 08, 2023
gisevak:


Consciousness is supernatural and metaphysical by virtue of it existing outside the natural and physical world.


My brother.

I'm not sure I understand what the natural and physical world means to you or how you define those two but I'm confident we're both all in the natural and physical world and we're obviously conscious existences. How then do you explain consciousness being outside the natural and physical world when we're obviously here? Hence making it supernatural?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Maynman: 10:27am On Sep 08, 2023
[quote author=gisevak post=125658877]
Is this your scientific proof or explanation on why we dream?
LWhy do you think dreams need to have a why?
It's already called "dream".
Why do rain fall?
Why do you have desires?

"Supernatural"is a word some people especially christians use to delude themselves into believing all the stunts they call miracles in their edited books.
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by incredible2017: 10:29am On Sep 08, 2023
Op, do you believe that demons exist
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 10:31am On Sep 08, 2023
correctguy101:



My brother.

I'm not sure I understand what the natural and physical world means to you or how you define those two but I'm confident we're both all in the natural and physical world and we're obviously conscious existences. How then do you explain consciousness being outside the natural and physical world when we're obviously here? Hence making it supernatural?
Don't you think we lack of appropriate information to reject supernatural does not exits?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Maynman: 10:32am On Sep 08, 2023
incredible2017:
Op, do you believe that demons exist
Do you believe they exist or you know they exist?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by incredible2017: 10:35am On Sep 08, 2023
Maynman:

Do you believe they exist or you know they exist?


This isnt an answer but a question.
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Knowledge23: 10:35am On Sep 08, 2023
incredible2017:
Op, do you believe that demons exist
No I don't
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Maynman: 10:36am On Sep 08, 2023
incredible2017:


This is an answer but a question.
The question is wrong in the first place.
Why do you need him to believe?
Why not ask "do you know that demons exist"?

Or you don't know yourself, you just believe?

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Knowledge23: 10:38am On Sep 08, 2023
Maynman:

Do you believe they exist or you know they exist?

I don't believe not to even talk of knowing if they are real or not.
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by incredible2017: 10:42am On Sep 08, 2023
Knowledge23:

No I don't

Have you seen someone that was perfectly ok before turn mad
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by LikeAking: 10:49am On Sep 08, 2023
Knowledge23:

So you are telling me there's no way to prove that God Or juju exists.
So it's not a fact it's just a believe and the good thing is you can believe anything but that doesn't make it a fact.
Do I need to believe that 2+2 is 4, no because it's a fact.

Let’s leave all these prove God or Juju exist challenge….


It’s almost impossible to convince people…

Although it’s a question every reasonable person most ask…


But it remains impossible to prove God exist…

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by MightySparrow: 11:03am On Sep 08, 2023
Knowledge23:
I have been doing so many research recently about many things they told us about supernatural Powers, miracles Juju or black magic and religion to see things for myself to know if really all these things are real or they are just made up stories.

So these are some of my findings

This is a common one that most of you must have heard and it was the reason I embarked on this search because all my life I have always believed it until I decided to investigate and find out myself.

1, Indian beat Nigerian 100 - 1[b][/b]
I don't want to go into details of what I found out but I know you guys now know the truth because that never happened.

2, BERMUDA TRIANGLE
After researching and reading about the truth behind the so called strange happenings, it turned out that Bermuda triangle is just like other places and their is nothing special about it. I could have gone into more details but I just want to make this post as short as possible.

3, JUJU OR BLACK MAGIC
There's one young man his name is Gbenga Adewoyin, he offered #2.5million naira to anyone who can prove to him that juju or supernatural Powers exist and as I'm writing this post no one has been able to come out and claim that money.
He has been to many states, radio stations and in social media yet no one was able to prove to him that all those Powers, miracles and juju exists.
He even said in one of the radio stations where he was been interviewed that you don't need to come to him physically but yet nothing.

Another thing that I don't understand is in this day and age of technology that camera is everywhere yet not one single evidence of where juju or supernatural Powers manifested. Instead it's doctored and edited videos you will see everywhere.

Even the magicians that I thought that have powers, I later found out that all those magics they perform are just tricks.

I will stop here for now, but I'm still open to anyone who will prove to me that I'm wrong.





I am laughing in your native language.
grin
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by MightySparrow: 11:05am On Sep 08, 2023
MaxInDHouse:
dis nah d yok of d yia! grin


Wetin person no go see for Nairaland!

Yok of the millennium.
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by LikeAking: 11:16am On Sep 08, 2023
Knowledge23:


And just to prove to you how useless shrines are, choose any shrine of your choice or better the most powerful shrine and if given the go ahead order I will destroy and burn it down to ashes.
I don't need to step in there, just a lighter, fuel and gloves.

Why you never born any shrine since?

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Knowledge23: 11:37am On Sep 08, 2023
incredible2017:


Have you seen someone that was perfectly ok before turn mad
Yes I have seen
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by correctguy101(m): 12:30pm On Sep 08, 2023
gisevak:

Don't you think we lack of appropriate information to reject supernatural does not exits?

This same lack of appropriate information should still tell anyone otherwise.

I'm not on any of both sides as it is.

I'm just saying whatever one thinks is supernatural is simply because of this same lack of information about the principles involved. And that, once one acquires any sort of understanding of this principles and processes, no matter how minuscule, the supernatural crosses to the other side of one's perception and becomes "something natural".

One example is a demon called salmonella typhi .. You know, this demon was once seen as the handiwork of spirits being unhappy with so and so. Or a sickness due to offending some deity. Many disease causing microbes were once seen like that; demons. But today, that's no longer the case.
We now understand many of these microbes to an extent that we can never ascribe anything spiritual or supernatural to them.

So, like I said earlier, the word in itself is a show of lack of understanding of principles and processes involved, nothing supernatural or spiritual, just natural and an ignorant observer, with a lack of enough and required information.

Well, that's how I see the matter. You could hold a different view and funny thing is we could both be right about it all or even wrong... cheesy

Smh

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by gisevak: 1:19pm On Sep 08, 2023
correctguy101:


This same lack of appropriate information should still tell anyone otherwise.

I'm not on any of both sides as it is.

I'm just saying whatever one thinks is supernatural is simply because of this same lack of information about the principles involved. And that, once one acquires any sort of understanding of this principles and processes, no matter how minuscule, the supernatural crosses to the other side of one's perception and becomes "something natural".

One example is a demon called salmonella typhi .. You know, this demon was once seen as the handiwork of spirits being unhappy with so and so. Or a sickness due to offending some deity. Many disease causing microbes were once seen like that; demons. But today, that's no longer the case.
We now understand many of these microbes to an extent that we can never ascribe anything spiritual or supernatural to them.

So, like I said earlier, the word in itself is a show of lack of understanding of principles and processes involved, nothing supernatural or spiritual, just natural and an ignorant observer, with a lack of enough and required information.

Well, that's how I see the matter. You could hold a different view and funny thing is we could both be right about it all or even wrong... cheesy

Smh

My position on the supernatural is not tied to any religious notion. My position about supernatural is that there are forces or things that humans or scientists cannot explain or prove. You only see religious definition of supernatural but there is more to it.
Check the following questions:

How did life begin?
It is clear in anthropology that this is a universal question that every culture and religion has attempted to answer. Scientists show that life began as simple chemicals that came together and became the first molecules to replicate. However, scientists still debate how these early chemicals were arranged, how DNA was created, and so on.Scientists also debate the circumstances surrounding the creation of these first chemicals. Some believe they formed in hot pools, while others believe they began with a meteor collision with water. This is still a beyond explanation.

What is the universe made of?
Astronomers still cannot answer 95% of the universe. It has been discovered that the atoms that make up the world around us appear to make up only 5% of the composition of the universe.In recent years, astronomers have speculated that much of the remaining 95% could be some kind of dark matter or energy, but the question remains unanswered. What is this dark matter?



We do not currently have the equipment, skills or information to explore them. It's still supernatural.
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Kobojunkie: 1:34pm On Sep 08, 2023
jaephoenix:

What if I tell you that I'm standing in your room with you, would you believe me, Junkie?
Why do I need to believe you? Is it my experience or yours? undecided
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by Kobojunkie: 1:39pm On Sep 08, 2023
Knowledge23:
■ So everything you know you did it yourself, so that means by your argument you have gone to heaven and seen god yourself and now you believe he exists.
Stop asking stupid questions abeg! The subject , which you brought up, is of the supernatural-- non physical, immeasurable space which is still on a subjective level on the most part. undecided
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by MindHacker9009(m): 1:49pm On Sep 08, 2023
Knowledge23:

I use to believe all these types of videos before but when I decided to find out if they are real or not that was when I discovered that
Most of these videos are fake, while the other few are explainable.
They have been debunked, the first clip on that video was staged by the school
Here is the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIKqI0B6D-A?si=2BMHR12DpzS2v-a6

The video you posted says it might have happened so there is a possibility it did happen. But again the cctv did not show a millisecond timer so it might be real or fake.
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by correctguy101(m): 1:57pm On Sep 08, 2023
gisevak:


My position on the supernatural is not tied to any religious notion. My position about supernatural is that there are forces or things that humans or scientists cannot explain or prove. You only see religious definition of supernatural but there is more to it.
Check the following questions:

How did life begin?
It is clear in anthropology that this is a universal question that every culture and religion has attempted to answer. Scientists show that life began as simple chemicals that came together and became the first molecules to replicate. However, scientists still debate how these early chemicals were arranged, how DNA was created, and so on.Scientists also debate the circumstances surrounding the creation of these first chemicals. Some believe they formed in hot pools, while others believe they began with a meteor collision with water. This is still a beyond explanation.

What is the universe made of?
Astronomers still cannot answer 95% of the universe. It has been discovered that the atoms that make up the world around us appear to make up only 5% of the composition of the universe.In recent years, astronomers have speculated that much of the remaining 95% could be some kind of dark matter or energy, but the question remains unanswered. What is this dark matter?



We do not currently have the equipment, skills or information to explore them. It's still supernatural.

I see...
.

It's all good.
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by KnownUnknown: 3:49pm On Sep 08, 2023
gisevak:


You that is not ignorance, prove the following with scientific explanation

Dream

Sleep

Gravity

The First human on earth


You are more ignorant than I think

Dream - caused by leprechauns

Sleep- caused by fairies

Gravity - your mama’s fat ass weighing everything down

The first human on earth - My previous incarnation

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by KnownUnknown: 3:55pm On Sep 08, 2023
I’m a supernatural alien
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by jaephoenix(m): 3:59pm On Sep 08, 2023
gisevak:

If pastors or herbalist could not cure instantly then a conclusion there is no supernatural? This is a shallow mindset.
Check the following and give me a scientific proof about the following?
Dream?

Sleep?

Gravity?

The First human on earth
Scientific proof of dreams? Dreams can be observed, and in fact, dreams can be 'induced' in humans. Even animals dream too and their dreams have been analyzed too. Dream is dredged from our 'memory banks' and processed by many brain centers from hypothalamus, hypocampus, prefrontal cortex etc. Even limbic system is involved(this happens when we dream and cry)

Sleep? Sleep is easily understood by science
than dreams. Sleep is easily studied and graded into Non REM and REM sleep. They sre determined by the waves our cortex emit during sleep.

Gravity? This is a natural phenomenon. Can be explained since we are pulled to the center of the earth. This is my basic physics knowledge. Can't explain further. I'm sure there are materials online for it.

First human? We evolved from lower form animals. And we came from the oceans. We definitely didn't pop out from nowhere

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by jaephoenix(m): 4:00pm On Sep 08, 2023
KnownUnknown:


Christ fucking Jesus, you people are hopelessly ignorant.
Seriously ignorant
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by jaephoenix(m): 4:02pm On Sep 08, 2023
gisevak:

There over billions of things to find out? well, if you don't know, check these out.

Have you found out if life on earth is accidental or not?

Gravity is both incredibly weak and incredibly strong as per scientists, holding the entire universe together, whilst also being 10^36 times weaker than the force that brings two magnets together. Explain how is able to attract every things to the earth while magnets cannot?
I dont know whether life was accidental or not.
I suggest you read up about gravity
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by jaephoenix(m): 4:04pm On Sep 08, 2023
gisevak:


I am not a christian. I am an agnostic. Your concept is dogmatic!!!
You are not talking to a christian!!! Stop deceiving and misleading people in this platform.
Answer the questions I put up there Mr Know All.


Lol. Explains a lot. Wilgrea7, triplechoice, workch, A001 etc cuman carry una boy cheesy
Make una give am crash course in gravity

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Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by jaephoenix(m): 4:04pm On Sep 08, 2023
gisevak:

Supernature is also liken to some forces beyond scientific understanding or proof.
Show me where scientist has proven gravity.
Ever heard of that dude called Galileo Galilei?
Re: Supernatural Powers Does Not Exist, They Lied To Us. by jaephoenix(m): 4:05pm On Sep 08, 2023
Knowledge23:

Dream is series of thoughts, images, and sensations occurring in a person's mind during sleep.
So I don't know how that relates to supernatural Powers
Dreams are culminations of our thoughts.
The guy is swimming in ignorance

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