aim5:


I thought the LGA is ETIN-OSA not ETI OSA. Oh well, who cares the Yorubas are great in their own ways and so are Edos and other groups in Niggerr Area(Nigeria).

tpiander:
the person who started the thread and his or her cohorts.

why are they asking about the lagoon in such a cunning way?

Trinity213:
because i wan carry(kidnap) the lagoon go my village for edo.

tpiander:


i thought your Oba and elders put a moratorium on kidnapping some years ago, essentially forbidding it in your land.

are you saying the curses were ineffective?

or is it you dont respect your Oba?

Trinity213:
distractor!

tpiander:





I hate to believe lord lugard was right in his assessments. . . . . . . . . .

you cant communicate, you can only insult.

too bad!

Trinity213:
I have already brought myself down to THAT level. ALWAYS!!!!


Note to myself:

good night and have a nice life.

gawab:
The correct spelling of the name in Benin is Etinosa not Etiosa.

macof:


Wats all this? Is it not the Lagos I know and grew up in?
Edo descendants are present among the Awori (these lineages have become Awori themselves) doesn't mean Edo ruled lagos

efepro:
I think it's a bini name. cos historically, the yorubas originated from Edo..
Few weeks ago, our training(Edo) manager was sharing with us, a brief history of Edo/yoruba origin. He said Akpogbon I.e the bus-stop before CMS is a Bini name.

efepro:
I think it's a bini name. cos historically, the yorubas originated from Edo..
Few weeks ago, our training(Edo) manager was sharing with us, a brief history of Edo/yoruba origin. He said Akpogbon I.e the bus-stop before CMS is a Bini name.

Trinity213:
That was my initial thought but while Osadebe (igbo) and Osadebamwen (edo) have the same meaning (God is with me).

efepro:
I think it's a bini name. cos historically, the yorubas originated from Edo..
Few weeks ago, our training(Edo) manager was sharing with us, a brief history of Edo/yoruba origin. He said Akpogbon I.e the bus-stop before CMS is a Bini name.

Ologbo147:
not only Akpogbon, even the name of the place “Eko”is Benin derived. It means war camp, it was recorded in history books, that the Oba of Lagos stool was founded by Oba orhogbua’son.

Even district such as idumota reeks Edo, it directly translates to Ota’peoples quarter. The influence of Edo on Lagos is innumerable to say the least

absoluteSuccess:


Apongbon may not make your list, I learnt somewhere it has to do with one of the white colonist with brown beard, "Apon irun agbon".

You are free to claim it all but take time to do fact findings. Some of the words could be very recent. Apongbon is short for "brown beard".

Good luck.

tonychristopher:


Eko is benin
Idumagbon is benin
Idumota is benin
Benin ruled Lagos and still because oba heritage

lawani:


Just like my grandfather was nicknamed Alagbon Odo at Ipetu Ijesa when he was a teacher there. It means the man with a prominent jaw. The white man aliased Apongbon had a red beard hence the name. Most of these young men coming here to type rubbish are not academics but you don't need to be an academic before knowing that the present Benin language was never the lingua franca of the Benin empire and that three people standing together to communicate in the language did not occur anywhere on Earth outside Benin and environs for thousands of years before the twentieth century. Not even in ancient Benin city

absoluteSuccess:


Hmm, that's the truth, ijagbon or agbon is Yoruba for the jaw. I was at ipetu Ijesha about a decade ago in search of Yoruba history. Old memories.

As to the Edo language, I beg to differ sir. The Edo is as important as Yoruba right from the cradle. What we have for now is more like the remnants of a defunct country that compromised these entities we now call ethnicities.

Let's say there used to be a country called West Africa in the past, possibly 2500 years ago, in which the people moved around and the capital changed many times in the course of the centuries. So, cities rise and wane.

It will take a miracle for Edo language to ever exist if we have to go by your claim, where it's impossible to find three speakers before the turn of 19th century. But the fact is, this language exist, how then did it survive? This cancelled your argument.

We're presenting history from our "mindset", so everyone have angle or ulterior motives. What I always advocate is, let the oral records speak. Nobody have monopoly of knowledge.

If it's good Yoruba tell Bini history, it's good Bini tell Yoruba history too, at least, both have been there from start.

Solution, allow the fact speak, not opinion from either side.

absoluteSuccess:
@Ologbo147,

I see.

absoluteSuccess:


I understand what you are trying to say, the point is, if the claims made can be established by the veracity of this place names, then it means that this place names are tenable proof of fact. As such, their etymology have to be done for historical purposes.

lawani:


I did not say the language never existed but that it was not the language of the Benin empire but was only spoken behind the Benin city walls and never for official use. Will I be wrong to say Fon was never used officially at any point in Ilesa or Ipetu Ijesa by three free people standing together before the twentieth century?

History must be accurately presented and defended by stakeholders while any misrepresentation is called out at once. I also have family members that originated from that area as well.

West Africa was not one country or union at anytime in history but there were empires and a great deal of organisation in the past, new people coming to settle, building new languages by taking words from many others and new nations by inflow from all directions and that is true for every region on Earth. Not only West Africa.

Ologbo147:
i saw your write up above my quoted mention

I want to add that not only that the language Edo exists, it was also the language of the palace of the Oba of Benin. And there are plethora of evidence to prove such.

You must have heard of the edo’nekhue dialect that evolved out of the relationship between the royal family and the eastern Yoruba people. The dialect was spoken by eastern Yoruba people who had affinity with the Oba of Benin.

Even the Yoruba account accented to the fact that the Oba is maternally Edo ancestrally.

The names of past Obas of Benin. Both their birth names and their ascension names are all Bini names.

Stools and places affiliated to Benin had one or two Edo relic to buttress the fact that Edo was the palace language. The traditional title of the Olu of Itsekiri was and is still Ogiame which directly translates to King of the riverine area .

Go and check the Obi of Agbor and Isele-uku king lists, you are sure to find several Edo names that can be interpreted today.

Even places in Lagos island is replete with Edo naming pattern-Idumagbo, idumota, iduntafa, idunsagbe and so on. What about the name Eko. These are names and places that can be interpreted by Edo and supported by historical account from a Yoruba historian that it came from Edo like the one i quoted above.

There are plethora and plethora of evidence to support the fact that Edo was spoken in the palace

absoluteSuccess:


Let us go by the history that connects us with Bini, it says they requested for a Yoruba prince during a turmoil. Was this the begining of Yoruba language in Bini history or they have been speaking Yoruba language before this history birthed?

This will help us with the dilution to come. And the proof of what language the Bini speaks would be manifest in their royal names down the ages into our time, are they straightforward Yoruba names?



Brother, there's no point trying to subjugate Bini in history of the Yoruba as another Yoruba achievement. Instead, the Bini is another sister state with the Yoruba just like you have in the case of ketu or Sabe, or the Ana in far away Togo.

The Yoruba did not subjugate Bini as we have in the history of the Yoruba's, written by Rev. Samuel Johnson. What we were told was that they requested for a Yoruba prince. At this point, what association did they have with the Yoruba and what age was this?



By mere looking at us, you know that West Africa have old timers and new comers. The new comers were the Shua Arabs and the Fulani. The old timers were the true West Africans. These old timers were the true black and whose history stemmed from the same source.

Our languages fade out of tune to the one we each speaks presently in our various places. By and large, the Yoruba is known as far as Timbuktu in the 16th century as Yoruba. The Yoruba have something to do with the Hausa right from inception, the Yoruba is connected to Dahome and to Bini.

The network has been from inception.

lawani:

Anybody can have any version of history but what can not be controverted is that the language of the Benin empire was Yoruba and today's Benin was spoken only in the suburbs. This is why the whole empire is surrounded on both sides by Yoruba speaking settlement. Ugbodumila in Delta representing the Olukumi, Warri of the Itsekiri all to the East of Benin with Olukwumi cut off from other Yoruba. Adjacent Edoid groups like the Afemmai are fluent Yoruba speakers up till date. In Ovia LG are Yoruba towns. So how can it be possible for Edo language which can not be understood a few miles from Benin to be the empire's language?. All European records of the time show Yoruba being spoken in the capital. A prayer to Olokun was recorded by a Portuguese as Mo be o MO be o Umale okun etc. Then the names they have on their list are their own spelling and nit the correct spelling. Even today they call the Deji of Akure Udezi of Akure and they call Bajulaye (The king is supreme on Earth) Bazulaye and there are many other examples of the mutilation of Yoruba words. Ogotun in Edo state is spelled Ughotoun or so. Ago Onibode is spelt Agenebode. So anybody can bear any name in a foreign land and any list presented by them is definitely wrong by spelling as well as by pronunciation of names. Edo was spoken in the palace is not the same thing as Edo was language of the empire but both are wrong. Edo speaking began inside the city after the collapse of the empire. You can't use the Edo language to run the empire filled by Yorubas on all sides and it was only when there was no longer any empire that the Edos entered the city and gradually changed the language. It is important to tell history correctly. Thousands of years back there was no distinction between Yoruboid Edoid Igboid and etc but they separated and a large group joined the Yoruba from Egypt bringing almost half of their current vocabulary, then we have from the Igboid and the Edoid as well, Nupe, Hausa and etc to give birth to what today is the Yoruba language. I think the Edoid group may be the least disturbed among Yoruba Igbo and Edoif followed by Yoruba then Igboid. This is my belief as it appears it uses more tones than Yoruba while Yoruba use more tones than Igbo. Yoruba has five tones with two very rare but I think Edo has up to four used frequently and it is somewhat a measure of how longstanding and undisturbed a language is though adjacent Edoid groups can't understand them. I am not disputing any of their claims to them , the best I can do is say my own opinion based on facts on the ground for the benefit of readers. I agree about old timers and newcomers in West Africa and apparently Edo language may be and is infact is obviously more indigenous to West Africa than Yoruba language which is an Egyptian language by almost fifty percent of vocabulary. A large number of Yoruba vocab entered west Africa not too long ago.

AKPAMA211:
dont be a fool, the language of the Bini empire was not Yoruba.

You are one big ignorant fool who just post what he wishes or what he feels, there is no empire that’s surrounded on all side, you only have Edo groups that are bilinguals on border areas and nothing more.

Ugbodumila and itsekiri would not make more than ten percent of delta state.

The Edoid group speaking Yoruba only do so on the fact that they are on the border areas. The “Yoruba” communities in Edo state, many of them are not pure Yoruba but Edo, they speak Yoruba because alongside because they directly border Ondo state.


In the whole of the Midwest, which consists of Edo and Delta state the Yoruba group which would be Ugbodumila and itsekiri cannot be more than 5percent of the Population of the Midwest.

When you compare the Two ovia local government together. The population of these two local governments combined would Give the Bini communities there up to 80% of the population of these two local government when they are combined. Ijaw 15% then the pure Yoruba communities 5%.

Itsekiri is not to the east of Benin, get education my brother you are so ignorant.

If the Europeans saw Some chiefs whose ancestry might actually be Yoruba praying in Yoruba, does that make it absolute, what of the abundant fact that has been given to you to corroborate his argument.

Bajulaiye as you guys call it was actually borrowed from Benin. It is a chieftaincy title which directly translates to the Oba brings life. It is correctly pronounced Obazuaye

Those your interpretations of Ughoton and Agenebode are so fake and foolish


Afenmai is made up of three groups, the Owans, the Etsakos which are the largest, then Akoko Edo

At most only ten percent of Etsakos speak Yoruba, alongside their first dialect and it would be those from Agbede.

Owan about thirty, the rest seventy percent don’t speak it, Akoko Edo only speak it as a second language. There is no community in Akoko Edo that speak it as a sole language.

Esan do not speak it at all

Binis at most 5-7 speak it alongside their Edo dialect

In delta state, the itsekiris might just be the smallest group in the whole of Midwest aside uneme and maybe Okpamheri.

In 1952, they were 34 thousand while Isoko the closest was 74 thousand. I don’t think they have rivaled that figure if not for Nigeria censuses that Favour the big three affiliated groups. You can find the Isoko in two full local government. They also have about 6 wards in Ndokwa east. The itsekiris are only fifty percent of warri south. 70 percent of warri north and 55 percent of Warri south west. That’s all.

The Ijaws are in three local government and they also have about 20 percent of the population of the three Warri local government combined. Even the Urhobos are not left out. They also make at least 20 to 25 of the population of Warri, itsekiri would at most make up 55 percent of Warri, so where is the Yoruba population again

Anioma has about 15 percent of the population of the Midwest And the only community Yoruba speaking community there would be 0.002 of the population of anioma. So how are are both state now Yoruba covered.

The method of communication from the palace of Benin to the several communities in Edo and Delta state that were under his domain was that there was a representative of each community who was fluent in both Edo the palace language and the language of his community in order to pass such message communicated from the palace to his community

lawani:


You are simply an idiot because I never mentioned any percentage only that Benin itself is surrounded on all sides by Yoruba speaking communities on their own lands. Population is irrelevant and can become any amount tomorrow. Land ownership is not in doubt. Don't come here to lecture nonsense. None of what I posited has been proved wrong and it remains a fact that Yoruba even till today is entrenched in the territory and there is no chance whatsoever of Edo language not intelligible to anyone apart from Edo indigenes being used to pass messages officially to anyone within the empire. Any individual speaking Benin in Ovia area most probably settled in the place recently after the establishment of Nigeria. They can be indigene only if the language they are speaking is not Benin. Benin People never stepped out of their habitat immediately around the palace walls in the past. Once again. I never mentioned percentage and you can reread my post. I am not interested in the discussion you want to open on percentages. Start another thread for that one.

lawani:

Anybody can have any version of history but what can not be controverted is that the language of the Benin empire was Yoruba and today's Benin was spoken only in the suburbs. This is why the whole empire is surrounded on both sides by Yoruba speaking settlement. Ugbodumila in Delta representing the Olukumi, Warri of the Itsekiri all to the East of Benin with Olukwumi cut off from other Yoruba. Adjacent Edoid groups like the Afemmai are fluent Yoruba speakers up till date. In Ovia LG are Yoruba towns. So how can it be possible for Edo language which can not be understood a few miles from Benin to be the empire's language?.

All European records of the time show Yoruba being spoken in the capital. A prayer to Olokun was recorded by a Portuguese as Mo be o MO be o Umale okun etc. Then the names they have on their list are their own spelling and nit the correct spelling. Even today they call the Deji of Akure Udezi of Akure and they call Bajulaye (The king is supreme on Earth) Bazulaye and there are many other examples of the mutilation of Yoruba words. Ogotun in Edo state is spelled Ughotoun or so. Ago Onibode is spelt Agenebode. So anybody can bear any name in a foreign land and any list presented by them is definitely wrong by spelling as well as by pronunciation of names. Edo was spoken in the palace is not the same thing as Edo was language of the empire but both are wrong. Edo speaking began inside the city after the collapse of the empire.

You can't use the Edo language to run the empire filled by Yorubas on all sides and it was only when there was no longer any empire that the Edos entered the city and gradually changed the language. It is important to tell history correctly. Thousands of years back there was no distinction between Yoruboid Edoid Igboid and etc but they separated and a large group joined the Yoruba from Egypt bringing almost half of their current vocabulary, then we have from the Igboid and the Edoid as well, Nupe, Hausa and etc to give birth to what today is the Yoruba language. I think the Edoid group may be the least disturbed among Yoruba Igbo and Edoif followed by Yoruba then Igboid.

This is my belief as it appears it uses more tones than Yoruba while Yoruba use more tones than Igbo. Yoruba has five tones with two very rare but I think Edo has up to four used frequently and it is somewhat a measure of how longstanding and undisturbed a language is though adjacent Edoid groups can't understand them. I am not disputing any of their claims to them , the best I can do is say my own opinion based on facts on the ground for the benefit of readers. I agree about old timers and newcomers in West Africa and apparently Edo language may be and is infact is obviously more indigenous to West Africa than Yoruba language which is an Egyptian language by almost fifty percent of vocabulary. A large number of Yoruba vocab entered west Africa not too long ago.