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Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by SIRTee15: 2:46pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Show me where a bible author said he was writing from God verbatim. So where Paul said this are his own words and not the Lord....is that word of God too? Go and learn about word of God, rhema and logos. Then u can come back here to discuss what is the scripture. |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by jaephoenix(m): 2:59pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
SIRTee15: Obviously you haven't taken time to read your Bible. But that is all common theme amongst theists. They rant and rave about their books but haven’t taken out time to read them. So I'll indulge you one more time. So here goes…. These are the most relevant verses Exodus 20:22 Verse Concepts Then the Lord said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘You yourselves have seen that I have spoken to you from heaven. Deuteronomy 4:36 Verse Concepts Out of the heavens He let you hear His voice to discipline you; and on earth He let you see His great fire, and you heard His words from the midst of the fire. Nehemiah 9:13 Verse Concepts “Then You came down on Mount Sinai,And spoke with them from heaven;You gave them just ordinances and true laws,Good statutes and commandments. Psalm 76:8 Verse Concepts You caused judgment to be heard from heaven;The earth feared and was still Daniel 4:31 Verse Concepts While the word was in the king’s mouth, a voice came from heaven, saying, ‘King Nebuchadnezzar, to you it is declared: sovereignty has been removed from you, x 0 of 1 minute, 23 seconds Mark 1:11 Verse Concepts and a voice came out of the heavens: “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.” Luke 3:22 Verse Concepts and the Holy Spirit descended upon Him in bodily form like a dove, and a voice came out of heaven, “You are My beloved Son, in You I am well-pleased.” John 12:28 Verse Concepts Father, glorify Your name.” Then a voice came out of heaven: “I have both glorified it, and will glorify it again.” 2 Peter 1:18 Verse Concepts and we ourselves heard this utterance made from heaven when we were with Him on the holy mountain. Revelation 14:2 Verse Concepts And I heard a voice from heaven, like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder, and the voice which I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps. Revelation 12:10 Verse Concepts Then I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying,“Now the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God and the authority of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren has been thrown down, he who accuses them before our God day and night. Acts 11:9 Verse Concepts But a voice from heaven answered a second time, ‘What God has cleansed, no longer consider unholy.’ Revelation 11:12 Verse Concepts And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, “Come up here.” Then they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them. Revelation 18:4 Verse Concepts I heard another voice from heaven, saying, “Come out of her, my people, so that you will not participate in her sins and receive of her plagues; Revelation 14:13 Verse Concepts And I heard a voice from heaven, saying, “Write, ‘Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on!’” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “so that they may rest from their labors, for their deeds follow with them.” Revelation 11:15 Verse Concepts Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying,“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ; and He will reign forever and ever.” Genesis 21:17 Verse Concepts God heard the lad crying; and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven and said to her, “What is the matter with you, Hagar? Do not fear, for God has heard the voice of the lad where he is. Genesis 22:11 Verse Concepts But the angel of the Lord called to him from heaven and said, “Abraham, Abraham!” And he said, “Here I am.” Genesis 22:15 Verse Concepts Then the angel of the Lord called to Abraham a second time from heaven, Genesis 1:3 Verse Concepts Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. Genesis 1:6 Verse Concepts Then God said, “Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters.” Genesis 1:9 Verse Concepts Then God said, “Let the waters below the heavens be gathered into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so. Genesis 1:11 Verse Concepts Then God said, “Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them”; and it was so. Genesis 1:14 Verse Concepts Then God said, “Let there be lights in the expanse of the heavens to separate the day from the night, and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years; Our Latest Videos Genesis 1:20 Verse Concepts Then God said, “Let the waters teem with swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth in the open expanse of the heavens.” Genesis 1:24 Verse Concepts Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth living creatures after their kind: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth after their kind”; and it was so. Genesis 1:26 Verse Concepts Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” Psalm 50:1 Verse Concepts A Psalm of Asaph.The Mighty One, God, the Lord, has spoken,And summoned the earth from the rising of the sun to its setting. Ezekiel 12:25 Verse Concepts For I the Lord will speak, and whatever word I speak will be performed. It will no longer be delayed, for in your days, O rebellious house, I will speak the word and perform it,” declares the Lord God.’” Exodus 20:22 Verse Concepts Then the Lord said to Moses, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘You yourselves have seen that I have spoken to you from heaven. Genesis 8:15 Verse Concepts Then God spoke to Noah, saying, Genesis 9:8 Verse Concepts Then God spoke to Noah and to his sons with him, saying, Exodus 33:9 Verse Concepts Whenever Moses entered the tent, the pillar of cloud would descend and stand at the entrance of the tent; and the Lord would speak with Moses. Exodus 33:11 Verse Concepts Thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face, just as a man speaks to his friend. When Moses returned to the camp, his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, would not depart from the tent. John 9:29 Verse Concepts We know that God has spoken to Moses, but as for this man, we do not know where He is from.” Exodus 29:42 Verse Concepts It shall be a continual burnt offering throughout your generations at the doorway of the tent of meeting before the Lord, where I will meet with you, to speak to you there. Exodus 25:22 Verse Concepts There I will meet with you; and from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubim which are upon the ark of the testimony, I will speak to you about all that I will give you in commandment for the sons of Israel. Psalm 99:7 Verse Concepts He spoke to them in the pillar of cloud;They kept His testimoniesAnd the statute that He gave them. Psalm 107:25 Verse Concepts For He spoke and raised up a stormy wind,Which lifted up the waves of the sea. Ezekiel 2:2 Verse Concepts As He spoke to me the Spirit entered me and set me on my feet; and I heard Him speaking to me. Ezekiel 3:22 Verse Concepts The hand of the Lord was on me there, and He said to me, “Get up, go out to the plain, and there I will speak to you.” Ezekiel 2:1 Verse Concepts Then He said to me, “Son of man, stand on your feet that I may speak with you!” Job 6:10 Verse Concepts “But it is still my consolation,And I rejoice in unsparing pain,That I have not denied the words of the Holy One. Job 11:5 Verse Concepts “But would that God might speak,And open His lips against you, Hosea 12:4 Verse Concepts Yes, he wrestled with the angel and prevailed;He wept and sought His favor.He found Him at BethelAnd there He spoke with us, Joel 2:11 Verse Concepts The Lord utters His voice before His army;Surely His camp is very great,For strong is he who carries out His word.The day of the Lord is indeed great and very awesome,And who can endure it? Joel 3:16 Verse Concepts The Lord roars from ZionAnd utters His voice from Jerusalem,And the heavens and the earth tremble.But the Lord is a refuge for His peopleAnd a stronghold to the sons of Israel. Amos 3:8 Verse Concepts A lion has roared! Who will not fear?The Lord God has spoken! Who can but prophesy? Amos 1:2 Verse Concepts He said,“The Lord roars from ZionAnd from Jerusalem He utters His voice;And the shepherds’ pasture grounds mourn,And the summit of Carmel dries up.” Hebrews 1:2 Verse Concepts in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world. Zechariah 7:13 Verse Concepts And just as He called and they would not listen, so they called and I would not listen,” says the Lord of hosts; Job 33:14-16 “Indeed God speaks once,Or twice, yet no one notices it.“In a dream, a vision of the night,When sound sleep falls on men,While they slumber in their beds,Then He opens the ears of men,And seals their instruction, Exodus 20:19 Verse Concepts Then they said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die.” Genesis 35:13 Verse Concepts Then God went up from him in the place where He had spoken with him. |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by Caveatemptor(m): 3:24pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
jaephoenix: The problem with most Christians is their attempts to believe anything/everything that is written in the Bible, no matter how ludicrous it is. They believe that once it is in the Bible it MUST be true. So they rationalise every irrational story trying to convince themselves it is true. It is just a circular way of thinking. 2 Likes |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by SIRTee15: 4:05pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
jaephoenix: I've debated u b4 and we both know how it ended. In case u forgotten, u became dazed from persistent facts and inability to defend foolishness. U ended up confusing me with someone else and lying to save face. U called bible foolishness but u believe a concept that says a young innocent baby girl who is destined to end up a prostitute cannot do anything about it no matter how hard she tries. So if that girl goes to a good school, raise in a lovely home, crime free neighbourhood, has good family values will still end up in brothel because it was her destiny to become a prostitute. How above makes sense to a normal human being is beyond me Even Muslims that has predestination written in their book are beginning to redefine it because they know it makes no sense. I would rather embrace foolishness in the bible than believe in a stupid idea that I can't do anything about my future because it's already written. I would rather believe in a book that tells me I can change my future for good just in the case of jabez; than believe a concept that claims the written past will always decide the future. No wonder the best social value ever known to mankind is the Judeo-Christian value system. |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by SIRTee15: 4:26pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
Caveatemptor: Your point remain inconsequential if u cannot back it up with evidence. And for a man u talk too much without any real substance. Provide evidence about your claim, that's what I'm interested in. U claim the Romans produced the bible, provide evidence. Just don't come here talking conspiracy theory. What are this doctrines, who believed in them, when were they written, did the early Christians in the 1st century AD knew about this doctrines. What were in the books that were rejected. What doctrines do they hold that made the Romans reject them. Do we still have the books now, can we have a look to know what the controversy is all about. Was there a bible b4 the Roman compiled one. What were the contents on the previous bible. What about the dead sea scrolls, the Didache, the ketef hinnon scrolls, the tanakh, the Samaritan Pentateuch? Were they compiled by the Romans too? If yes, when? Guy think like a scholar and talk like one. Not all these Roman wrote the bible and gave it to the pope to read out to Christians kind of talk. Leave that to kindergarten atheist. Provide evidence...let's examine it. That's all I'm asking for. As regards my previous posts. It's obvious u never went through them. Most times I have to abandon the debate because u atheist are simply obstinate to the truth even when it's slapping u in the face. There was a time jaephoenix started mentioning my name up and down in all threads even when I didn't debate him just because he wanted to win at all cost. Ask him. 1 Like |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by Caveatemptor(m): 5:13pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
SIRTee15: I suggest you start your search from Marcion of Sinope. He was the first man/theologian to create a bible before the current council of Nicaea bible you are currently clutching on to. The problem with Christians is your refusal to read and do research and in cases where you research your refusal to recognise the truth even if it slapped you in the face. Your circular form of reasoning prevents you from accepting any truth contrary to" the truth in the Bible ". For your information before the council of Nicaea, Marcion compiled and created his own bible and his own philosophy of religion in which there were two different gods. The evil wicked inferior demiurge god of the old testament and the loving superior god of the new testament and the father of Jesus. The church elders and the Romans declared this man's bible heresy and his bible and books were destroyed and burned by the Roman government of the day and the current bible created with more books. Read up. These things are all over the Internet if I am telling lies but the problem is you reason in a circular way. Any thing in your Roman created bible is true,no matter how ludicrous it sounds. Good luck. 1 Like |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:21pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
Caveatemptor: Caveatemptor: I will be really glad if you can find anyone who is a PRIDE to CHRISTIANITY! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by Caveatemptor(m): 5:29pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: Wtf are you on about? What I posted are facts that can be verified. Did Marcion of Sinope exist or not? Did Marcion of Sinope create a canonical bible before the Romans and the Catholic Church declared it heresy, burned the books and banished Marcion before recreating the CURRENT bible. Read up. These facts are there for your enlightenment and information. 1 Like
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Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by Dtruthspeaker: 5:43pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
englishmart: That is why I said "2 witnesses different angles and viewings. Obviously they saw the same subject matter at different times. Hence why I said "One sees 10,000 and left while the other sees 40,000 before he left. |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:49pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
Caveatemptor: What concerns me with your headache? ![]() Ọmọ you said about me: Caveatemptor: So my concern is when you will find someone who is a PRIDE to CHRISTIANITY at least for me to know how those who are like a PRIDE to CHRISTIANITY does things! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by Caveatemptor(m): 6:01pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: I repeat, You are a fraud. I haven't changed my mind. 1 Like |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:22pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
Caveatemptor: I'm not asking you to change your mind but just try to show me the authentic Christians at least to compare and contrast. Thanks! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by Caveatemptor(m): 7:05pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse: I have posted the facts. It is left for you to check the facts if you want to or you may choose to bury your head in the sand like an ostrich as a typical Christian. The choice is yours but the truth is the truth. 1 Like |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by SIRTee15: 7:14pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Do u understand my question at all. Did I ask u for where God spoke in the bible or where the bible writers claimed they heard from God directly when they wrote down the bible...God dictated and we wrote it down. So all those verse you copy and pasted, do u mean the authors wrote them down same time God was declaring those words ....is that what u saying. If that's not the case then I don't understand the essence of your copy and paste. Now let me teach u. The words written in bible are classified into 3 distinct references: The Word of God, the Words of God's Prophet and the Words of Men It's not only the word of God that's in the bible. So the bible cannot be a dictation from God because it's not just his words that's in the book. Do u get it now!!! |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:18pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
Caveatemptor: In a nutshell there is no authentic Christian. So next time don't call something false when you don't even have the original. 1 Like |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by SIRTee15: 10:54pm On Sep 13, 2023 |
Caveatemptor: Too many falsehood, misinformation and ignorance in your write up. Marcion compiled the first bible? Have u heard of Masoretic text? Marcion claimed Paul is the only true disciple of jesus Christ. I'm sure even u will disagree with him. The Marcion gospel allegedly written by Marcion who claimed it was the account of Paul was compiled along with 10 epistles of Paul as cannon. I'm sure if we Christians follow the gospel of Marcion, u will be among those that will laugh us to scorn for believing a gospel written by someone who never met Jesus. Marcion claimed the god of old testament is different from God of new testament who sent Jesus. None of the early church fathers taught this, none of Paul's letter- canonised or not taught this. Even the Marcion gospel didn't teach it. Marcion reported that his Gospel was the uncorrupted work of Paul, who received all of the information from Jesus Himself. This is quite bizarre since Paul never followed Jesus when he was alive and possibly never met him. He was rightly denounced an heretic by his contemporaries like Tertullian, Iraenius, Polycarp, Clement of Alexandria. Some of these people were executed by the Roman govt for their faith. Thus your theory that the church excommunicated Marcion on the instance of the Roman govt is unfounded. Your claim that his books were burnt is a figment of your imagination. His works are very much available. It's simply a modified version of the gospel of Luke. http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/text/marcion1.html |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by Dtruthspeaker: 1:29am On Sep 14, 2023 |
jaephoenix: Do you do things uniformly? Did you not also hear that the bible is written so that devils are cut off? |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by Dtruthspeaker: 2:08am On Sep 14, 2023 |
Caveatemptor: At least it is not Marcion who wrote the bible. Like jws he just gave it his own twisted understanding (philosophy). And common sense even tells you that Marcion was full of shit and lack of understanding for his so called "loving superior god" did not do anything superior the so called new testament. So clearly, he had a crooked understanding and therefore his works failed for it is clearly written "A man shall not be established by wickedness: but the root of the righteous shall never be moved" And God is righteous from the old till forever thus why the whole world sees the kjv standing imovable. So it is not the Romans who created the bible but some righteous man who God gave wisdom and understanding just like the disciples to decode and complile His messages creating it exactly how God wanted it to be for God does not give His kingdom to everybody. Mathew 13:11 So anyone who does not understand the bible should already know that he is cut off from God and has a part in the fire in which Satan and his people are cast into. |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by CryptoNews22(m): 2:32am On Sep 14, 2023 |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by Caveatemptor(m): 7:02am On Sep 14, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker: You have started engaging in your circular way of thinking that everything in the Bible is good. It's your right as an adherent to reason so. I grant you that however the bolded statement is where I disagree with you. Please can you empirically prove this your bolded statement? Can you prove the existence of this your incinerator and where is it based? Is this fire in the sky or deep in the bowels of the earth? Or is this fire in outer space? I wish to be enlightened. |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by jaephoenix(m): 3:31pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
SIRTee15:I have debates with you and I have found youre a dummy. 1. So because I mistook another person's post as yours then automatically I was dazed? When in fact I was multitasking at that point. And you want to tell me you have never made that error before? Foooool. 2. I also found out you are empty. I remember that thread. It was about the errors in the Bible, and you couldnt counter a single bible error. Idiiiooot! 3. You also didn't know cancers have spontaneous remission and you were masquerading as a medical personnel. Scammerrr. 4. You are already trying to derail this thread like you did in that. Please stick to the topic. Mumu 5. You obviously don't know what destiny is. Please pick up a dictionary, remove your religion tinted glasses and tell me what they say about destiny. |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by jaephoenix(m): 3:35pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
SIRTee15:Lol. Please who mentioned names here on this thread? Me or you? LIAR! Imagine a theist asking for evidence. This is wonderful. When there was no evidence any of the events in the Bible happened |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by jaephoenix(m): 3:36pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:PLEASE SHUT IT! WE'RE NOT INTERESTED IN ANY JW BULLSHIT. THANK YOU |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by jaephoenix(m): 3:38pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
SIRTee15:I thought u said Yahweh didn't say anything in the Bible. Oga liar |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by jaephoenix(m): 3:39pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
Dtruthspeaker:How is this crap related to my point? |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:46pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
jaephoenix:Wèrè! Are you the one i mentioned? ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by jaephoenix(m): 3:48pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:He has already told you to take a hike. So stop disturbing us with child mol@sters, rapists and gays |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:53pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
jaephoenix:Come on shut up there! ![]() The guy quoted me several times that's why i mentioned him too so face front! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by jaephoenix(m): 4:12pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
MaxInDHouse:He's called you a fraud. Rest nah |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:27pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
jaephoenix:There can't be FRAUD without AUTHENTIC that's what made both of you fools. If i am fraud in Christianity let him present the authentic nah! ![]() 1 Like |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by Dtruthspeaker: 6:09pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
jaephoenix: You got it that i said that the bible is meant to be confusing to devils |
Re: I Need Help To Understand These Conflicting Bible Verses. by Dtruthspeaker: 6:14pm On Sep 14, 2023 |
Caveatemptor: This is not the topic. So I take it that you have nothing to say about my response to the Marcion error. Can you show something in the bible which is bad? |
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