Ohyoudidnt:
1. My argument is that cousins can be of different tribes. Isn't this obvious in the analogy of Ghanian and Nigerian cousins or Nigerian and other foreign country cousins?


2. I didn't categorically say Mary was Levi or Judah but pointed at their common ancestry.

Numerous search results. Will share these later please

Their common ancestry is Israel or Jacob. From Jacob they split into twelve tribes.

You have just agreed now that Mary and Elizabeth as cousins could come from different tribes. Is this true?

Elizabeth is from the Tribe of Levi!

Again :
Can I know your source of History showing that Mary is from the Tribe of Levi?
I am particularly interested in its age.


Mary can only be a distant relation of Aaron if she's from the Tribe of Levi.

ItsReal:
The live stream is on....


https://www.youtube.com/live/IxX8Jf6WRNU?si=_lhwPB_cfn7LN5vA

I just showed that Mohammed Ali is a Liar!

Can Muslim babies go to hell?
Yes or No!?

TenQ:

The error is this:
Allah says Mary the Mother of Jesus is the sister of Aaron. This is false sir!

It seems you don't know that Mary and Mariam means exactly the same thing?
How can Mary the mother of Jesus be the sister of Aaron?

No wonder Allah says the sun sets in the murky waters: this not an error! ?

No wonder Allah puts Jewish Children's Bedtime Stories as part of the Qur'an by saying Solomon died and for almost one year no one know until his staff was eaten by insects: this not an error! ?

Women having reproductive fluids come from between her rib and back bone: this not an error! ?

If Allah can make errors modern humans would not make, can he be God?

DEAR HYPOCRITE,

PLEASE LEARN TO REMOVE THE LOG IN YOUR EYES OF HATE FIRST BY GETTING VERY BUSY WITH THE ERRORS AND CONFUSION IN YOUR BIBLE.

THIS TASK WILL TAKE YOU A LIFETIME I CAN ASSURE YOU.

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motayoayinde:


DEAR HYPOCRITE,

PLEASE LEARN TO REMOVE THE LOG IN YOUR EYES OF HATE FIRST BY GETTING VERY BUSY WITH THE ERRORS AND CONFUSION IN YOUR BIBLE.

THIS TASK WILL TAKE YOU A LIFETIME I CAN ASSURE YOU.

If Allah can make such blunders in his own perfectly dictated book, how can he be God?
Undergraduates in Nigeria will not even commit such errors of ignorance.

Just tell me how!

TenQ:

If Allah can make such blunders in his own perfectly dictated book, I how can he be God?

Just tell me how!

IF YOU AREN'T DONE WITH YOUR BOOK OF ERRORS ( and you won't in a lifetime) DON'T QUOTE ME.

motayoayinde:


IF YOU AREN'T DONE WITH YOUR BOOK OF ERRORS ( and you won't in a lifetime) DON'T QUOTE ME.

I have exposed the foundation of the fraud called Islam.
1. Allah is not and cannot be God
2. Mohammed is a 419 prophet
3. Islam is based on Lies and Deception
4. Millions of good sincere people have been decieved and going to hell
5. Islam can only be defended with more lies

TenQ:

I have exposed the foundation of the fraud called Islam.
1. Allah is not and cannot be God
2. Mohammed is a 419 prophet
3. Islam is based on Lies and Deception
4. Millions of good sincere people have been decieved and going to hell
5. Islam can only be defended with more lies

IN SPITE OF ALL YOUR SHITTY "EXPOSE", MORE CHRISTIANS AROUND THE WORLD ARE TURNING TO ISLAM ON THEIR OWN 😂.

DON'T THEY SEE THE "EXPOSE" OF ISLAMOPHOBES LIKE YOU?

STOP WASTING YOUR TIME. 😆

motayoayinde:


IN SPITE OF ALL YOUR SHITTY "EXPOSE", MORE CHRISTIANS AROUND THE WORLD ARE TURNING TO ISLAM ON THEIR OWN 😂.

DON'T THEY SEE THE "EXPOSE" OF ISLAMOPHOBES LIKE YOU?

STOP WASTING YOUR TIME. 😆

The demon in you is afraid of the damage I am causing to Islam isn't it?
You can't answer simple questions because your preferred narratives are based on lies.

Believe any lie you want: one with God is a majority! It seems you Don't know this!

Who told you that people are not seeing my posts?

Unfortunately, the it's not your time I'm wasting, is it?


Why would you leave the God of Abraham to serve the deity of the Arabs?

TenQ:

The demon in you is afraid of the damage I am causing to Islam isn't it?
You can't answer simple questions because your preferred narratives are based on lies.

Believe any lie you want: one with God is a majority! It seems you Don't know this!

Who told you that people are not seeing my posts?

Unfortunately, the it's not your time I'm wasting, is it?


Why would you leave the God of Abraham to serve the deity of the Arabs?

NOPE.
ASK RATHER, WHY CHRISTIANS ARE JOINING MUSLIMS IN DROVES IN THE WORSHIP OF "ARAB DEITIES".

MANY MORE ARE ABANDONING RELIGION ALL TOGETHER OWING TO COMPLETE 💯% DISILLUSIONMENT WITH CHRISTIANITY.

STOP WASTING YOUR TIME. 😊

It surprises me that you categorically allege me insinuating that cousins must come from the same tribe.


https://doortoeden.com/saint-anne-was-saint-anne-the-mother-of-mary/

In the Bible, Saint Anne was mentioned in the Books of the New Testament as the mother of the Virgin Mary, the mother of Christ. Anna was of the tribe of Levi and was the daughter of Mary and Nathan, a priest of the line of Aaron. They lived in the time of Queen Cleopatra of Egypt, and Anna had two sisters who lived in Bethlehem: Mary and Soviet.

https://jimmyakin.com/2004/03/cousin_kinswoma.html

The Greek word sungenēs (pronounced sun-gen-ace) is too general to be translated "cousin." "Relative," "kinsman," or (in the feminine) "kinswoman" would be acceptable translations. "Cousin" is simply wrong, and so clearly wrong that in Luke 1:36 in the current version of the NAB, they’ve stopped rendering it that way and translated it as "relative" instead.

https://sage-answer.com/where-is-joachim-mentioned-in-the-bible/

TenQ:

Their common ancestry is Israel or Jacob. From Jacob they split into twelve tribes.

You have just agreed now that Mary and Elizabeth as cousins could come from different tribes. Is this true?

Elizabeth is from the Tribe of Levi!

Again :
Can I know your source of History showing that Mary is from the Tribe of Levi?
I am particularly interested in its age.


Mary can only be a distant relation of Aaron if she's from the Tribe of Levi.

motayoayinde:


NOPE.
ASK RATHER, WHY CHRISTIANS ARE JOINING MUSLIMS IN DROVES IN THE WORSHIP OF "ARAB DEITIES".

MANY MORE ARE ABANDONING RELIGION ALL TOGETHER OWING TO COMPLETE 💯% DISILLUSIONMENT WITH CHRISTIANITY.

STOP WASTING YOUR TIME. 😊

Why are unbelievers and evil increasing by the day?
By your argument, unbelievers and evil are increasing by the day because evil is the right way!

One with God is a majority!
God wiped out the whole earth and spared only the family of Noah: showing that God doesn't deal with population.

Why would you leave the God of Abraham to serve the deity of the Arabs?

TenQ:

Why are unbelievers and evil increasing by the day?
By your argument, unbelievers and evil are increasing by the day because evil is the right way!

One with God is a majority!
God wiped out the whole earth and spared only the family of Noah: showing that God doesn't deal with population.

Why would you leave the God of Abraham to serve the deity of the Arabs?

😂😂

Ohyoudidnt:
It surprises me that you categorically allege me insinuating that cousins must come from the same tribe.

Only because Allah and your prophet say Mary the mother of Jesus is the sister of Aaron. Aaron, Moses and Mariam are from the Tribe of Levi while Mary is from the Tribe of Judah.
Thus Mary cannot be the sister of Aaron!

Ohyoudidnt:

https://doortoeden.com/saint-anne-was-saint-anne-the-mother-of-mary/

In the Bible, Saint Anne was mentioned in the Books of the New Testament as the mother of the Virgin Mary, the mother of Christ. Anna was of the tribe of Levi and was the daughter of Mary and Nathan, a priest of the line of Aaron. They lived in the time of Queen Cleopatra of Egypt, and Anna had two sisters who lived in Bethlehem: Mary and Soviet.

https://jimmyakin.com/2004/03/cousin_kinswoma.html

Which book of the bible states that Anne is the mother of Mary?

Ohyoudidnt:

The Greek word sungenēs (pronounced sun-gen-ace) is too general to be translated "cousin." "Relative," "kinsman," or (in the feminine) "kinswoman" would be acceptable translations. "Cousin" is simply wrong, and so clearly wrong that in Luke 1:36 in the current version of the NAB, they’ve stopped rendering it that way and translated it as "relative" instead.

https://sage-answer.com/where-is-joachim-mentioned-in-the-bible/

The problem which you don't understand is that Luke traces the ancestry of Jesus through Mary to Judah : thus, it is inconsequential the argument of Cousin or Relative or Kinswoman. This means that Mary CANNOT be called relative of Aaron as Aaron is from the Tribe of Levi.

Who are the Levites 😉

TenQ:

Only because Allah and your prophet say Mary the mother of Jesus is the sister of Aaron.

Interesting, you are having a conversation with me but overreaching in generalizing.

TenQ:

Which book of the bible states that Anne is the mother of Mary?

You have stated the Bible is not explicit before however you can support your view by informing of Mary the mother of Jesus's ancestry from the Bible.

TenQ:

The problem which you don't understand is that Luke traces the ancestry of Jesus through Mary to Judah : thus, it is inconsequential the argument of Cousin or Relative or Kinswoman. This means that Mary CANNOT be called relative of Aaron as Aaron is from the Tribe of Levi.

Well you should cross check that there are no records of intermarriage between the tribes of Judah and Levi before her.

Ohyoudidnt:


Interesting, you are having a conversation with me but overreaching in generalizing.

You have stated the Bible is not explicit before however you can support your view by informing of Mary the mother of Jesus's ancestry from the Bible.


Well you should cross check that there are no records of intermarriage between the tribes of Judah and Levi before her.

Are you distancing yourself from the Claims of Allah and His prophet Muhammad?

Many times you Muslims assume we don't know what your prophet's real teaching is

Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2135
Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse, ‘O sister of Aaron,’ (19:28) but Moses was born long before Jesus by many years. ” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said, “Verily, they used to name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had passed before them.”

This is applicable only to descendants: thus, Jesus can be called Son of David because, He is a descendant from king David. Jesus cannot be called son of Moses for he is not a descendant of Moses.

If you object, find me a single example in the Bible.


Using your prophet's argument, Is it correct to say that you Ohyoudidnt is a brother to Hamzah or Uthman or Ali or any of the Companions of Mohammed!?
Can you see how lame the explanation for the error of both Allah and Mohammed is?


Tafsīr Ibn Kathīr person Qur'an 19:28
Ibn Kathir said, “This is like saying to somebody from the Tamimi tribe: O brother of Tamim, or to somebody from the Mudari tribe: O brother of Mudar.”


But Mary is NOT from the Tribe of either Moses, Isaiah Aaron or Miriam!

Even then,
Why not sister of Moses!?
Isn't Moses more prominent than Aaron?


Unfortunately, the lies cannot be covered when they are plenty from the mouth of one who cannot keek his mouth shut.


Guess the name of the Father of Moses, Aaron Miriam and Aaron : Imran (Amram)
Exo 6:20:
"And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bore him Aaron and Moses : and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years."

Guess the name of the Father of Mary : Imran!

What a coincidence!

Qur'an 3:35-36
"When the wife of 'Imran said, 'My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.' But when she delivered her, she said, 'My Lord, I have delivered a female.' And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, 'And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Mary , and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allah].'"

TenQ:

Are you distancing yourself from the Claims of Allah and His prophet Muhammad?

Many times you Muslims assume we don't know what your prophet's real teaching is

Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2135
Mughira ibn Shu’ba reported: When I came to Najran, the Christian monks asked me, “You recite the verse, ‘O sister of Aaron,’ (19:28) but Moses was born long before Jesus by many years. ” When I came back to the Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, I asked him about it and he said, “Verily, they used to name people with the names of prophets and righteous people who had passed before them.”

This is applicable only to descendants: thus, Jesus can be called Son of David because, He is a descendant from king David. Jesus cannot be called son of Moses for he is not a descendant of Moses.

If you object, find me a single example in the Bible.


Using your prophet's argument, Is it correct to say that you Ohyoudidnt is a brother to Hamzah or Uthman or Ali or any of the Companions of Mohammed!?
Can you see how lame the explanation for the error of both Allah and Mohammed is?


Tafsīr Ibn Kathīr person Qur'an 19:28
Ibn Kathir said, “This is like saying to somebody from the Tamimi tribe: O brother of Tamim, or to somebody from the Mudari tribe: O brother of Mudar.”


But Mary is NOT from the Tribe of either Moses, Isaiah Aaron or Miriam!

Even then,
Why not sister of Moses!?
Isn't Moses more prominent than Aaron?


Unfortunately, the lies cannot be covered when they are plenty from the mouth of one who cannot keek his mouth shut.


Guess the name of the Father of Moses, Aaron Miriam and Aaron : Imran (Amram)
Exo 6:20:
"And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bore him Aaron and Moses : and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years."

Guess the name of the Father of Mary : Imran!

What a coincidence!

Qur'an 3:35-36
"When the wife of 'Imran said, 'My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.' But when she delivered her, she said, 'My Lord, I have delivered a female.' And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, 'And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Mary , and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allah].'"

Rather you are shying away from accepting the truth of ancestry of Mary traced back to Amram.

Don't you see that 7 Mary(s) exist in the new testament and likely more not mentioned in the Bible existed in the area.

Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Mary of Bethany, Mary the mother of James and Joses, Mary of Cleophas, Mary the mother of John Mark, and Mary of Rome.

Many biblical words are ambiguous and some even obscure. The very first sentence in the Bible is obscure in Hebrew. English translations differ. The King James Bible, for instance, seems to understand that the creation of heaven and earth were the first divine creations: “In the beginning God created the Heaven, and the Earth.” The Schocken Bible and Bible commentator Rashi disagree: “At the beginning of God’s creating of the heaven and the earth (certain things were created).”

From Josephus, we know that Mariamne the High Priest’s daughter had two brothers named Joazar and Eleazar who were also High Priests. There are differing opinions on whether they were sons of Simon or brothers…but all three plus a brother-in-law, Matthias husband of another unnamed daughter, (Elizabeth…my theory) will be High Priest for a short time in the last days of Herod and the early reign of Archelaus.

Similarly, how should the Hebrew lechem be translated. It means both “bread” and the more inclusive “food.” Elohim means “mighty,” and “god” (an idol), and the “God.” So what were the bnei elohim in Genesis 6? Were they divine beings, perhaps angels, who cohabitated with human women, or mighty or more intelligent male humans, as the scholar Abraham ibn Ezra contends? How should ki be translated in Exodus 2:2, as “how (beautiful he was)” suggesting he was extremely beautiful, or the less emphatic, “that (he was beautiful).”

The law made provision for the intermarriage of the tribes (Numbers 36:6), and members of the tribes of Levi and Judah often intermarried. Elizabeth was of the tribe of Levi.
In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth” (Luke 1:5).

Mary was of the tribe of Judah. “To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary” (Luke 1:27). If Mary was of Judah, it seems that Mary’s father would also be of Judah. Therefore, it is possible that Mary’s connection with Elizabeth was either through her mother or through Elizabeth’s mother.

Eleazar son of Boethus was the High Priest of Israel from 4 B.C. to a time before 6 A.D. “Lazarus” is the Greek form of the Hebrew Eleazar. Like Lazarus, Eleazar had two well-known sisters, Miriam and Martha. Baltz uses texts from the Talmud and Midrashim to argue that these are the same Mary and Martha that we find in the gospels.

TenQ:



Using your prophet's argument, Is it correct to say that you Ohyoudidnt is a brother to Hamzah or Uthman or Ali or any of the Companions of Mohammed!?
Can you see how lame the explanation for the error of both Allah and Mohammed is?


Tafsīr Ibn Kathīr person Qur'an 19:28
Ibn Kathir said, “This is like saying to somebody from the Tamimi tribe: O brother of Tamim, or to somebody from the Mudari tribe: O brother of Mudar.”


But Mary is NOT from the Tribe of either Moses, Isaiah Aaron or Miriam!

Even then,
Why not sister of Moses!?
Isn't Moses more prominent than Aaron?


Unfortunately, the lies cannot be covered when they are plenty from the mouth of one who cannot keek his mouth shut.


Guess the name of the Father of Moses, Aaron Miriam and Aaron : Imran (Amram)
Exo 6:20:
"And Amram took him Jochebed his father's sister to wife; and she bore him Aaron and Moses : and the years of the life of Amram were an hundred and thirty and seven years."

Guess the name of the Father of Mary : Imran!

What a coincidence!

Qur'an 3:35-36
"When the wife of 'Imran said, 'My Lord, indeed I have pledged to You what is in my womb, consecrated [for Your service], so accept this from me. Indeed, You are the Hearing, the Knowing.' But when she delivered her, she said, 'My Lord, I have delivered a female.' And Allah was most knowing of what she delivered, 'And the male is not like the female. And I have named her Mary , and I seek refuge for her in You and [for] her descendants from Satan, the expelled [from the mercy of Allah].'"

The term "sister" in these Semitic languages can possess broader connotations beyond the literal interpretation of biological sibling. It can also denote female relatives, such as cousins or even distant relatives within the same tribe or clan. Therefore, rather than suggesting a direct sibling relationship, the usage of "sister of Aaron" might instead emphasize Mary's ancestral connection to the priestly lineage of Aaron in ancient Israelite society. This further emphasizes her elevated position within the religious and societal norms of that era.

Another possibility is that the designation "sister of Aaron" was added to emphasize Mary's pious character and righteous nature.
Individuals are often described using honorific titles that reflect their moral standing and devotion to God. Identifying Mary as a sister of Aaron illustrates her spiritual proximity to the revered figure of Aaron and positions her as an exemplary woman of faith. This reinforces the image of Mary as a devout follower of God's will and underscores her exceptional qualities as the chosen vessel for the incarnation of Jesus.

Words and phrases applied to persons to distinguish their noble birth, or their official or social rank and station, or as marks of acknowledgment of their learning and piety.

The king appointed a viceroy termed "mishneh"="second." Joseph was mishneh to Pharaoh, with the title "abrek" = "bow the knees", denoting the reverence due to his dignity; though according to the Talmud "ab-rek" is a compound word whose two elements signify respecttively "father" (in wisdom) and "young" (in years), the whole denoting "young father" in the sense of "Jupiter" = "Ju" + "pater". Pharaoh renamed Joseph "Zaphnath-paaneah"="the revealer of secrets."

The title "kohanim"= "priests," applied to all descendants of Aaron, and that of "Lewiyim"="Levites," to the rest of the tribe of Levi, carried with them privileges with regard to tithes and certain duties in connection with the administration of religious services in the Temple; thus the senior priest was called "kohen mashiaḥ" = "the anointed priest" or "kohen gadol" = "the high priest." The prophet ("nabi" bore also the titles "ro'eh" and "ḥozeh" = "seer"

Ohyoudidnt:


The term "sister" in these Semitic languages can possess broader connotations beyond the literal interpretation of biological sibling. It can also denote female relatives, such as cousins or even distant relatives within the same tribe or clan. Therefore, rather than suggesting a direct sibling relationship, the usage of "sister of Aaron" might instead emphasize Mary's ancestral connection to the priestly lineage of Aaron in ancient Israelite society. This further emphasizes her elevated position within the religious and societal norms of that era.

Another possibility is that the designation "sister of Aaron" was added to emphasize Mary's pious character and righteous nature.
Individuals are often described using honorific titles that reflect their moral standing and devotion to God. Identifying Mary as a sister of Aaron illustrates her spiritual proximity to the revered figure of Aaron and positions her as an exemplary woman of faith. This reinforces the image of Mary as a devout follower of God's will and underscores her exceptional qualities as the chosen vessel for the incarnation of Jesus.

Words and phrases applied to persons to distinguish their noble birth, or their official or social rank and station, or as marks of acknowledgment of their learning and piety.

The king appointed a viceroy termed "mishneh"="second." Joseph was mishneh to Pharaoh, with the title "abrek" = "bow the knees", denoting the reverence due to his dignity; though according to the Talmud "ab-rek" is a compound word whose two elements signify respecttively "father" (in wisdom) and "young" (in years), the whole denoting "young father" in the sense of "Jupiter" = "Ju" + "pater". Pharaoh renamed Joseph "Zaphnath-paaneah"="the revealer of secrets."

The title "kohanim"= "priests," applied to all descendants of Aaron, and that of "Lewiyim"="Levites," to the rest of the tribe of Levi, carried with them privileges with regard to tithes and certain duties in connection with the administration of religious services in the Temple; thus the senior priest was called "kohen mashiaḥ" = "the anointed priest" or "kohen gadol" = "the high priest." The prophet ("nabi" bore also the titles "ro'eh" and "ḥozeh" = "seer"

You still don't get it with all these speculations that Elizabeth and Mary were not siblings nor blood sisters: this would have made Mary a descendant of Aaron as Elizabeth was clearly a descendant of Aaron.

The argument of them being relatives and not cousins is weak as it changes nothing.
The terms relative or cousin actually weaken your position as cousins could be first, then second, third, fourth or fifth cousin AND relatives could span up to five or sex generations.

Unfortunately, Mary is NOT a descendant of Aaron and thus could NOT be called daughter of Imran or sister of Aaron.

Rather you refuse to see what stands right before you.
How many children did Aaron have?
How many generations between Aaron and Mary or Elizabeth?
There exists the truth of both of them being descendants of Amram.

Have you heard the British use the terms 3rd,4th .... cousin far removed?

TenQ:

You still don't get it with all these speculations that Elizabeth and Mary were not siblings nor blood sisters: this would have made Mary a descendant of Aaron as Elizabeth was clearly a descendant of Aaron.

The argument of them being relatives and not cousins is weak as it changes nothing.
The terms relative or cousin actually weaken your position as cousins could be first, then second, third, fourth or fifth cousin AND relatives could span up to five or sex generations.

Unfortunately, Mary is NOT a descendant of Aaron and thus could NOT be called daughter of Imran or sister of Aaron.

A fourth cousin is someone who shares a set of great-great-great-grandparents with you. Essentially, they are the descendants of a sibling of your great-great-grandparents. Any number of cousins is an example of how many generations you are away from your common ancestor.

Biblical name Amram: עַמְרָם
Meaning: Kindred of the High; i.e., "friend of Jehovah.

Definition of Amram: an exalted people; their sheaves; handfuls of corn"

(Source: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Amram.php4)

Also:

“Amram

Probably from “am” and “ruwm”; high people*; Amram, the name of two Israelites – Amram


The name "Joachim" is related to the Hebrew name "Yehoyakim" (יְהוֹיָקִים), which means "the LORD raises up" or "the LORD establishes." The Greek form "Ioakeim" or "Joachim" has a similar meaning,


The Arabic name "'Imran" is not really even an Arabic name, but even though this is the case, the word is (according to various old dictionaries) said to literally mean "Build up", and “prosperity”, which literally is synonymous to “Exaltation” and “raising up” (which are all definitions of the Hebrew and Greek names Joachim and Yehoyakim), so this goes to show that ‘Imran is THE EXACT MEANING OF THE NAME USED IN THE BIBLE for “Joachim” and "Amram

Ohyoudidnt:
Many biblical words are ambiguous and some even obscure. The very first sentence in the Bible is obscure in Hebrew. English translations differ. The King James Bible, for instance, seems to understand that the creation of heaven and earth were the first divine creations: “In the beginning God created the Heaven, and the Earth.” The Schocken Bible and Bible commentator Rashi disagree: “At the beginning of God’s creating of the heaven and the earth (certain things were created).”

From Josephus, we know that Mariamne the High Priest’s daughter had two brothers named Joazar and Eleazar who were also High Priests. There are differing opinions on whether they were sons of Simon or brothers…but all three plus a brother-in-law, Matthias husband of another unnamed daughter, (Elizabeth…my theory) will be High Priest for a short time in the last days of Herod and the early reign of Archelaus.

Similarly, how should the Hebrew lechem be translated. It means both “bread” and the more inclusive “food.” Elohim means “mighty,” and “god” (an idol), and the “God.” So what were the bnei elohim in Genesis 6? Were they divine beings, perhaps angels, who cohabitated with human women, or mighty or more intelligent male humans, as the scholar Abraham ibn Ezra contends? How should ki be translated in Exodus 2:2, as “how (beautiful he was)” suggesting he was extremely beautiful, or the less emphatic, “that (he was beautiful).”

The law made provision for the intermarriage of the tribes (Numbers 36:6), and members of the tribes of Levi and Judah often intermarried. Elizabeth was of the tribe of Levi.
In the time of Herod king of Judea there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly division of Abijah; and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth” (Luke 1:5).

Mary was of the tribe of Judah. “To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary” (Luke 1:27). If Mary was of Judah, it seems that Mary’s father would also be of Judah. Therefore, it is possible that Mary’s connection with Elizabeth was either through her mother or through Elizabeth’s mother.

Eleazar son of Boethus was the High Priest of Israel from 4 B.C. to a time before 6 A.D. “Lazarus” is the Greek form of the Hebrew Eleazar. Like Lazarus, Eleazar had two well-known sisters, Miriam and Martha. Baltz uses texts from the Talmud and Midrashim to argue that these are the same Mary and Martha that we find in the gospels.

Since you yourself have assented to the fact that Mary is NOT from the Tribe of Levi

Mary was of the tribe of Judah. “To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’s name was Mary” (Luke 1:27). If Mary was of Judah, it seems that Mary’s father would also be of Judah. Therefore, it is possible that Mary’s connection with Elizabeth was either through her mother or through Elizabeth’s mother

No one is disputing the relationship between Mary and Elisabeth: the bone of contention is that Mary belongs to an entirely different tribe from Aaron.

All you need to do is to show examples of "Use of Jewish Language" where a non descendant of a person is ascribed as the father or mother of an individual as it doesn't exist sir.

Ohyoudidnt:


Rather you are shying away from accepting the truth of ancestry of Mary traced back to Amram.

Don't you see that 7 Mary(s) exist in the new testament and likely more not mentioned in the Bible existed in the area.

Mary the mother of Jesus, Mary Magdalene, Mary of Bethany, Mary the mother of James and Joses, Mary of Cleophas, Mary the mother of John Mark, and Mary of Rome.

If Mary is from Judah, how can she also be of the Tribe of Levi?

Note :
Ancestry is patriarchal with the Jews!

Ohyoudidnt:
Rather you refuse to see what stands right before you.
How many children did Aaron have?
How many generations between Aaron and Mary or Elizabeth?
There exists the truth of both of them being descendants of Amram.

Have you heard the British use the terms 3rd,4th .... cousin far removed?

Is Mohammed a descendant of Ishaq?
Is Mohammed a descendant of Yakub?

Why or why not?
Are they not supposed to be related through Abraham?

Amram is of the Tribe of Levi
Mary is of the Tribe of Judah
Thus Mary cannot be daughter to Imran.

Of course you stopped short of going to their common ancestor, Abraham; who is a father to both Isaac and Ishmael.
Anyway:

Ohyoudidnt:
Biblical name Amram: עַמְרָם
Meaning: Kindred of the High; i.e., "friend of Jehovah.

Definition of Amram: an exalted people; their sheaves; handfuls of corn"

(Source: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Amram.php4)

Also:

“Amram

Probably from “am” and “ruwm”; high people*; Amram, the name of two Israelites – Amram


The name "Joachim" is related to the Hebrew name "Yehoyakim" (יְהוֹיָקִים), which means "the LORD raises up" or "the LORD establishes." The Greek form "Ioakeim" or "Joachim" has a similar meaning,


The Arabic name "'Imran" is not really even an Arabic name, but even though this is the case, the word is (according to various old dictionaries) said to literally mean "Build up", and “prosperity”, which literally is synonymous to “Exaltation” and “raising up” (which are all definitions of the Hebrew and Greek names Joachim and Yehoyakim), so this goes to show that ‘Imran is THE EXACT MEANING OF THE NAME USED IN THE BIBLE for “Joachim” and "Amram

TenQ:

Is Mohammed a descendant of Ishaq?
Is Mohammed a descendant of Yakub?

Why or why not?
Are they not supposed to be related through Abraham?

Amram is of the Tribe of Levi
Mary is of the Tribe of Judah
Thus Mary cannot be daughter to Imran.

Don't be so closed up. If on her maternal side she is a descendant of Levi and paternal side she is a descendant of Judah then she has fulfilled this condition.

You are familiar with patrileneal and matrileneal succession? If not learn about it.

TenQ:

If Mary is from Judah, how can she also be of the Tribe of Levi?

Note :
Ancestry is patriarchal with the Jews!

Ohyoudidnt:
A fourth cousin is someone who shares a set of great-great-great-grandparents with you. Essentially, they are the descendants of a sibling of your great-great-grandparents. Any number of cousins is an example of how many generations you are away from your common ancestor.

Ohyoudidnt:
Biblical name Amram: עַמְרָם
Meaning: Kindred of the High; i.e., "friend of Jehovah.

Definition of Amram: an exalted people; their sheaves; handfuls of corn"

(Source: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Amram.php4)

Also:

“Amram

Probably from “am” and “ruwm”; high people*; Amram, the name of two Israelites – Amram


The name "Joachim" is related to the Hebrew name "Yehoyakim" (יְהוֹיָקִים), which means "the LORD raises up" or "the LORD establishes." The Greek form "Ioakeim" or "Joachim" has a similar meaning,


The Arabic name "'Imran" is not really even an Arabic name, but even though this is the case, the word is (according to various old dictionaries) said to literally mean "Build up", and “prosperity”, which literally is synonymous to “Exaltation” and “raising up” (which are all definitions of the Hebrew and Greek names Joachim and Yehoyakim), so this goes to show that ‘Imran is THE EXACT MEANING OF THE NAME USED IN THE BIBLE for “Joachim” and "Amram

Basic lack of History by both Allah and his Mohammed :

If Allah had called Mary the Daughter of David, it would have made some sense. Unfortunately, Allah and his Mohammed mixed up Mariam and Mary thinking that they are the same person.

I hope you know that Mariam and Mary are the same in Arabic.

Mariam (مريم): This is the Arabic name for Mary, the mother of Jesus, as mentioned in the Quran and used in Arabic-speaking Christian communities. It is the more common Arabic form of the name.

Mary (ماري): This is a variation of the name Mary in Arabic, often used in some regions or in transliterated forms of the name.


How did Mohammed and Allah mix up Mariam the daughter of Imran with Mary the mother of Jesus?

Num 26:59:
"And the name of Amram's wife was Jochebed, the daughter of Levi, whom her mother bore to Levi in Egypt: and she bore unto Amram Aaron and Moses , and Miriam their sister."

Ohyoudidnt:
Of course you stopped short of going to their common ancestor, Abraham; who is a father to both Isaac and Ishmael.
Anyway:

Then Mary is a daughter to Abraham or Isaac or Jacob or Levi.

Jacob is the father of the 12 tribes of Israel. Mary can only be descendant of only one of these 12 tribes and it is Judah (certainly not Levi).

Ohyoudidnt:
Don't be so closed up. If on her maternal side she is a descendant of Levi and paternal side she is a descendant of Judah then she has fulfilled this condition.

You are familiar with patrileneal and matrileneal succession? If not learn about it.

Ancestry is NEVER determined matriarchaly by the Jews. Ancestry is ALWAYS determined patriarchaly by the Jew.

I challenge you to prove me wrong with examples from the Jewish or even Arab culture.

Is Mohammed from the clan of Banu Hashim or from the clan of Banu Zuhrah of the Quraish tribe?

Following the first exile, it is apparent that the status of mothers began to play a significant role in determining the national/ethnic identity of their children. Lets consider the narration of the expulsion in Ezra 9.1–10.4, which recounts the removal of foreign women and their children, thereby apparently linking the status of children with their mothers. Then the Shechemite narrative in Jub. 30.1–26 and considers the incorporation of Molech language in the prohibition against intermarriage.

Can you consider that the association between intermarriage and idolatry may be rooted in the presumption that Dinah's progeny would be Jewish, yet raised as idolaters. Also the author of Luke-Acts portrays Timothy as Jewish (Acts 16.1–3) in light of his mother's status and thus was required to undergo circumcision. Timothy came from a mixed racial background, in which his mother was Jewish and his father was Greek. His familiarity with the Jewish and Greco-Roman cultures made him an ideal protégé of Paul; and,
In later years, Timothy served as Paul’s emissary at various locales, where the apostle had established churches on his missionary journeys.

Considering Jewish history characterized by persecution and diaspora, determining Jewish identity through the mother ensured that Jewish heritage and traditions would be preserved and passed on to future generations.

According to rabbinic law, from the second century to the present, the offspring of a gentile mother and a Jewish father is a gentile, while the offspring of a Jewish mother and a gentile father is a Jew (albeit, according to the Mishnah, a mamzer, a Jew of impaired status).
Such societies once existed in ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia, and can still be found in parts of Africa, India, and Polynesia.

Judges 5:7, which states, The villagers ceased in Israel; they ceased to be until I, Deborah, arose; arose a mother in Israel." Deborah was a prophetess and a judge in ancient Israel. Her leadership role and authority in guiding the nation can be seen as an example of how women can play a significant role in matters of governance and succession.

In the New Testament, in the book of Luke 1:32-33, an angel announces to Mary, "He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. The Lord God will give him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over Jacob's descendants forever; his kingdom will never end." This scripture can be seen as an indication that Jesus' inheritance and authority are derived from his maternal lineage, as he is said to be a descendant of David through his mother Mary