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Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by Ohyoudidnt: 10:17am On Oct 07, 2023 |
I asked you and gave example of 7 different Mary in your new testament. Maybe two are blood relations. In either case the Quran is not a historical book and we cannot say the history recorded in the bible is totally correct. I have also shared meanings of the names of Imran as an exalted or highly placed person which is similar to Amram. Do you imply there cannot be numerous exalted people? TenQ: |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by Ohyoudidnt: 10:25am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Yes, however note that Allah chose Adam and Noah and the descendants of Abraham and of ‘Imran above all mankind. TenQ: |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 10:31am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt:You just confirmed again that Mary is from the Tribe of Judah therefore she can't be from the Tribe of Levi! Case closed! How did Mohammed and Allah mix up Mariam the daughter of Imran with Mary the mother of Jesus? |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by Ohyoudidnt: 10:44am On Oct 07, 2023 |
I quoted from your bible in respect to your request to show a scriptural proof of matrileneal succession lines. In any case Jesus did not have a human father, would it not then be a scriptural lie to claim a lineage from a father who is not his. Islam however differs from Christianity in that Mary was never married. TenQ: |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by Ohyoudidnt: 10:48am On Oct 07, 2023 |
There is no mix up. The Mary is a daughter of a an exalted person Joachim and the Mother of Jesus. There appears to be a referrence to Heli in your Bible another name for Joachim however the Bible isn't explicit about the parents of Mary TenQ: |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 10:51am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt:Your lack of understanding of History is appalling sir. 1. All present day humans are descendants of Adam 2. All present day humans are descendants of Noah 3. All Jews are descendants of Abraham 4. Imran is just one person from the Tribe of Levi and the father of Moses, Aaron Aaron and Miriam. 5. Levites are the Priestly tribe such that Zachariah as a Levites is a priest but not necessarily a descendant of Amram. 6. The high priest must come from the descendant of Aaron (not even Amram) as the descendants of Moses are not eligible for the office. It seems that Allah and his prophet didn't realize If God chose Abraham descendant it involves the Jews The Descendants of Amram are also Jews . If it is true that Allah chosen the Jews Above all mankind's? Why does Allah now want to exterminate the same Jews? |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 10:53am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt:This was because he had no human father! And the Messiah was supposed to come from the line of David(Judah). This was why Matthew used the traditional lineage line through Joseph to David while Luke used the lineage of Mary also through David. Do you know any other human being in this category who has no father but has a mother? |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 10:57am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt:Conjectures of "appears to be" does not solve the problem of the ignorance of Allah and His prophet Muhammad! Since Allah knows that Miriam and Mary are different : and that Mary is from the Tribe of Judah. Why did he not say Mary is the daughter of David or Judah which would have made some sense! How did Mohammed and Allah mix up Mariam the daughter of Imran with Mary the mother of Jesus? |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by Ohyoudidnt: 11:04am On Oct 07, 2023 |
May Allah be merciful unto you. It is in order to say appears to be as you have agreed different people wrote the bible and we cannot be absolutely sure of their motives and meanings. “… we may follow the opinion of other scholars who maintained that Jacob (Joseph’s father) had died young and that Joseph became a quasi-adopted son of Heli/Joachim through his marriage to the Virgin – for this reason, then, Joseph is called son of Heli. https://sanctanomina.net/2015/09/17/marys-genealogy-and-joachim-and-eli/ TenQ: |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by Ohyoudidnt: 11:09am On Oct 07, 2023 |
How were the offspring of raped jewish women who didn't know their rapist treated? I will appreciate you explaining. TIM16:1 He also came to Derbe and to Lystra. A disciple named Timothy was there, the son of a Jewish woman who was a believer, but whose father was a Greek TenQ: |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 11:19am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt:Is David the king of Israel a descendant of Aaron? |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 11:29am On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt:Timothy was treated as a Greek as he had a Greek father even though his mother was a Jew. Therefore, Timothy was not circumcised as a baby on the eight day as required by the Law of Moses for Jews. Gen 17:12: "And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of your seed." Because Paul and Timothy were going to the temple in Jerusalem, Paul compelled the ADULT Timothy to be circumcised (because of the Jews) Acts 16:1-3: "Then came he to Derbe and Lystra: and, behold, a certain disciple was there, named Timotheus, the son of a certain woman, which was a Jewess, and believed; but his father was a Greek: Which was well reported of by the brothers that were at Lystra and Iconium. Him would Paul have to go forth with him; and took and circumcised him because of the Jews which were in those quarters: for they knew all that his father was a Greek." You may need to explain why Timothy was not circumcised on the eight day if he was seen as a Jew. |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by Ohyoudidnt: 2:28pm On Oct 07, 2023 |
TenQ: I find that there is also Titus who wasn't circumcised. Does this then mean some acts of worship apply to some people that believe in your God and not to others? Why the obvious and deliberate segregation? Is this not a religious case of racism? Only Jews are to partake of the covenant of Abraham! Why then is Abraham called the father of nations? If for some reason you are not circumcised on the 8th day does this then eliminate a need for it? Abraham was not 8 days when he was circumcised. You ignored the question of raped jewish women or girls who got pregnant as a result of rape. How are their children 's lineage established? |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by TenQ: 2:47pm On Oct 07, 2023 |
Ohyoudidnt:What did the bible say about raped Jewish women? I don't know! Ishmael was circumcised by Abraham! Was your prophet Mohammed circumcised? |
Re: Quran Error - Muhamad Declared Mary Mother Of Jesus Was Daughter Of Imran by Ovacoma: 8:07pm On Oct 07, 2023 |
motayoayinde:This is a deluded fellow. You keep decieving yourself about the expansion of islam. Can you show your evidence? Killing of Apostates is what is keeping Islam, the day the law is prohibited all over Muslim countries, Islam collapses that very day. Muslim leaders are crying in Pakistan, Iran is moving away from Islam. Muslim leaders are talking about tsunami and avalanche of apostasy coming. Mention where Christians are trooping into Islam the way you described it as "in droves". |
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