budaatum:

Shows you lack knowledge about the scientific method.

In fact, tell the truth. Did you did do science past mandatory jss?

Aemmyjah:
Does God Exist?
The Bible’s answer...

Aw, shut up.

How many more times are we going to entertain this ridiculous circus from religious people? This is textbook circular reasoning, and is a logical fallacy. You argument was shot down before it even took off (by you, no less!). The Bible already presupposes the existence of God. If your mission is to convince non-believers that a god exists, you need to base your argument on actual objective, independent bases. Given prior experiences of discussing with theists in the past, I don't expect you to understand what I just wrote.

The substance of the comments from posters in this subforum has truly gone down the drain over the years. It used to be home to the most engaging intellectual discussions.

Aemmyjah:


U were the one that dropped the image of scientific approach
Tell us whether evolution has met it
No evidence
Just de play

For the sake of argument, I accept that evolution is false. Now, if you will, please elucidate your proof that evolution being false leads to the existence of a creator deity.

Notice the conditional in my first sentence, lest you think that I'm conceding any point. Judging from the utter dross you've been posting here, I have already profiled you, but I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt and see if you may yet redeem yourself.

Over to you.

Aemmyjah:


U were the one that dropped the image of scientific approach
Tell us whether evolution has met it
No evidence
Just de play

You obviously did not do science past the mandatory jss, which explains your lack of comprehension since you'd have learnt not to ask silly questions if you had.

Not only is science your problem but comprehension is too. Have you considered using a dictionary so you can understand better that it is human beings who use the scientific method to investigate and understand evolution?

Yes, evolution has been met by the scientific method. And not only has science confirmed it,humans use evolution too, though I wouldn't expect you to understand it since you fail to recognise the evolution of God into Jesus. Thankfully, most humans have, or you'd still be killing those who offend you instead of turning the other cheek.

Thorrn:


Aw, shut up.

How many more times are we going to entertain this ridiculous circus from religious people? This is textbook circular reasoning, and is a logical fallacy. You argument was shot down before it even took off (by you, no less!). The Bible already presupposes the existence of God. If your mission is to convince non-believers that a god exists, you need to base your argument on actual objective, independent bases. Given prior experiences of discussing with theists in the past, I don't expect you to understand what I just wrote.

The substance of the comments from posters in this subforum has truly gone down the drain over the years. It used to be home to the most engaging intellectual discussions.

The Bible na, lol. Pity he does not realise that humans have evolved way past his stage, which is a pity, as it's indicative of his backwardness.

Personally, I can't wait till Nigeria evolves to the point whereby science becomes mandatory all through secondary school, for that would reduce the ignorance in society and set us as a nation on the way to evolving past where he is stuck.

budaatum:


You obviously did not do science past the mandatory jss, which explains your lack of comprehension since you'd have learnt not to ask silly questions if you had.

Not only is science your problem but comprehension is too. Have you considered using a dictionary so you can understand better that it is human beings who use the scientific method to investigate and understand evolution?

Yes, evolution has been met by the scientific method. And not only has science confirmed it,humans use evolution too, though I wouldn't expect you to understand it since you fail to recognise the evolution of God into Jesus. Thankfully, most humans have, or you'd still be killing those who offend you instead of turning the other cheek.

Instead of a simple Yes or No answer
He's jumped to quoting Bible

Thorrn:


For the sake of argument, I accept that evolution is false. Now, if you will, please elucidate your proof that evolution being false leads to the existence of a creator deity.

Notice the conditional in my first sentence, lest you think that I'm conceding any point. Judging from the utter dross you've been posting here, I have already profiled you, but I'll just give you the benefit of the doubt and see if you may yet redeem yourself.

Over to you.

What has evolution got to do with the Creator?
Logically, nothing cannot produce something
Life and the universe cannot result from blind Chance
Evolution that never met the scientific approach yet they say it is fact. Don't mind that guy. E no go school

Thorrn:


Aw, shut up.

How many more times are we going to entertain this ridiculous circus from religious people? This is textbook circular reasoning, and is a logical fallacy. You argument was shot down before it even took off (by you, no less!). The Bible already presupposes the existence of God. If your mission is to convince non-believers that a god exists, you need to base your argument on actual objective, independent bases. Given prior experiences of discussing with theists in the past, I don't expect you to understand what I just wrote.

The substance of the comments from posters in this subforum has truly gone down the drain over the years. It used to be home to the most engaging intellectual discussions.

I gave 4 points
You have no objections but to come out to throw tantrums
If the idea of the existence of God gives you headache, it is not my problem
Follow the idea that tells you that your life is a result of an accident and without any ultimate purpose - Evolution

Aemmyjah:



I gave 4 points
You have no objections but to come out to throw tantrums
If the idea of the existence of God gives you headache, it is not my problem
Follow the idea that tells you that your life is a result of an accident and without any ultimate purpose - Evolution

Yep. I knew this was going to be a labour of love.

Literally any educated individual can see that I gave a clearly stated objection to your original post. The fact that you failed to see the logical implications of your arguments, is an obvious testament to your very poor capacity for critical thinking. Furthermore, your hilarious rants about the evolution process are meaningless, inconsequential and a complete non-sequitur to my actual point. Again, I suspect that everything I just wrote will fly over your head once more.

Make no mistake though, I'm not having this discussion to convert you or make you change your mind. Far from it. Your obstinate belief is not my cup of tea. My reason for engaging you is to demonstrate, to people that might be viewing this thread -- who appreciate rationality and pragmatism -- the dangers of religious programming and how it obscures any form of rational thought.

So go on and keep looking for fishes in the sky. When your brain has finally summoned enough juice to decipher my first riposte, you can try addressing my objection again.

Aemmyjah:



What has evolution got to do with the Creator?
Logically, nothing cannot produce something
Life and the universe cannot result from blind Chance
Evolution that never met the scientific approach yet they say it is fact. Don't mind that guy. E no go school

It's interesting that you're asking what evolution has to do with a creator, when you're the one who keeps bringing it up in discussions pertaining to the existence of God. As with most religious people, your arguments are all over the place.

I didn't fail to notice that you dodged my query in the post you just replied to. I asked you for proof that the inaccuracy of the evolution theory shows that a god exists. Given your laughable tirades against evolution on this thread, I'm curious as to why you can't oblige this simple request.

Thorrn:


It's interesting that you're asking what evolution has to do with a creator, when you're the one who keeps bringing it up in discussions pertaining to the existence of God. As with most religious people, your arguments are all over the place.

I didn't fail to notice that you dodged my query in the post you just replied to. I asked you for proof that the inaccuracy of the evolution theory shows that a god exists. Given your laughable tirades against evolution on this thread, I'm curious as to why you can't oblige this simple request.

Logically, Evolution tells you that everything in the universe and life and earth with their cycles, order and organization came by chance. In other words, everything came from nothing.
We know the kind of people that nonsense makes sense to them and they call it fact

Thorrn:


Yep. I knew this was going to be a labour of love.

Literally any educated individual can see that I gave a clearly stated objection to your original post. The fact that you failed to see the logical implications of your arguments, is an obvious testament to your very poor capacity for critical thinking. Furthermore, your hilarious rants about the evolution process are meaningless, inconsequential and a complete non-sequitur to my actual point. Again, I suspect that everything I just wrote will fly over your head once more.

Make no mistake though, I'm not having this discussion to convert you or make you change your mind. Far from it. Your obstinate belief is not my cup of tea. My reason for engaging you is to demonstrate, to people that might be viewing this thread -- who appreciate rationality and pragmatism -- the dangers of religious programming and how it obscures any form of rational thought.

So go on and keep looking for fishes in the sky. When your brain has finally summoned enough juice to decipher my first riposte, you can try addressing my objection again.

Without you bringing up any point to debunk what I said, you're only blowing hot
Mr No Evidence to support fact

budaatum:


You obviously did not do science past the mandatory jss, which explains your lack of comprehension since you'd have learnt not to ask silly questions if you had.

Not only is science your problem but comprehension is too. Have you considered using a dictionary so you can understand better that it is human beings who use the scientific method to investigate and understand evolution?

Yes, evolution has been met by the scientific method. And not only has science confirmed it,humans use evolution too, though I wouldn't expect you to understand it since you fail to recognise the evolution of God into Jesus. Thankfully, most humans have, or you'd still be killing those who offend you instead of turning the other cheek.

All these cars evolved by itself shey?

Aemmyjah:


All these cars evolved by itself shey?

Weak.
Because of religion you have been made to be Stuck in the PAST, living a life of stagnation, basing your life on stories that are 4000 years old.
Live in the Present, Yahweh worshipper.

Aemmyjah:


All these cars evolved by itself shey?

No the didn't. They are simply to explain the human scientific use of evolution to you in hope you'd understand it a bit and stop asking the silly question you keep asking.

Evolution is influenced by the surrounding environment, and not by some divine hand.

Aemmyjah:


Instead of a simple Yes or No answer
He's jumped to quoting Bible

Your "simple yes and no" is influenced by your simplistic good and evil thinking, and the universe is much more complex than that.

The Bible quoting is for you to see your God evolving into Jesus.

budaatum:


Your "simple yes and no" is influenced by your simplistic good and evil thinking, and the universe is much more complex than that.

The Bible quoting is for you to see your God evolving into Jesus.

You don't know scriptures
You don't know Bible
I wonder what you know
You dropped the image that explains the scientific approach
Later, you dropped Mercedes Benz evolution as if they evolved by themselves or how they have improved in design over time
Now, God evolved into Jesus
Small time, Buhari evolved into Jubrin
Kwantinue

Aemmyjah:


You don't know scriptures
You don't know Bible
I wonder what you know
You dropped the image that explains the scientific approach
Later, you dropped Mercedes Benz evolution as if they evolved by themselves or how they have improved in design over time
Now, God evolved into Jesus
Small time, Buhari evolved into Jubrin
Kwantinue

I guess it's hard for you to follow the conversation and comprehend what you read.

The Bible verse was to show you how the idea of God evolved into Jesus, and the evolution of Mercedes Benz was to show you how people who have learnt and understood the science of evolution utilise the knowledge they have acquired. But I guess you needed to have studied science further than jss, which you've shown here you didn't.

budaatum:


I guess it's hard for you to follow the conversation and comprehend what you read.

The Bible verse was to show you how the idea of God evolved into Jesus, and the evolution of Mercedes Benz was to show you how people who have learnt and understood the science of evolution utilise the knowledge they have acquired. But I guess you needed to have studied science further than jss, which you've shown here you didn't.

Evolution of living things and evolution of a non living thing?
Chai

Besides, God and Jesus Christ are two distinct persons
It's sad to see someone very ignorant about Bible, science, technology, everything

Aemmyjah:

Besides, God and Jesus Christ are two distinct persons

I bet you never read your Bible from the beginning to the end, and likely randomly jumped in and out from writer to writer and chapter to chapter so you wouldn't see how it evolved over the entire course of the book.

That's why you can't see how their ideas and philosophy evolved, or how God Yahweh evolved from other gods too, which would have required you to do some research, which you've shown you can't do.

budaatum:


I bet you never read your Bible from the beginning to the end, and likely randomly jumped in and out from writer to writer and chapter to chapter so you wouldn't see how it evolved over the entire course of the book.

That's why you can't see how their ideas and philosophy evolved, or how God Yahweh evolved from other gods too, which would have required you to do some research, which you've shown you can't do.

Show us how Yahweh evolved from other gods in the Bible or how he evolved into Jesus in the Bible

Your comments are purely assumptions and ignorant but they are epic tho.
There's this saying that 'be very good at something and do it well'
I love your assumptions and ignorance about three things so far u mentioned - Bible, science and technology without evidence

Pls Kwantinue
The ball is still in your court

Aemmyjah:




Logically, Evolution tells you that everything in the universe and life and earth with their cycles, order and organization came by chance. In other words, everything came from nothing.
We know the kind of people that nonsense makes sense to them and they call it fact

Doesn't it bother you that the validity of your entire argument hinges on the Theory of Evolution being proven wrong?... that your claims cannot stand firmly on their own merits?

Your entire position here is premised on a false dichotomy, that is "If option A is wrong, option B must be correct. No other options are valid or merit any sort of consideration." If we should assume (or in your case, insist) that the Theory of Evolution is wrong, it doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusion that everything was created by a conscious being. You still haven't established any facts that absolutely support your own position. What you're doing here is simply using "god" as a placeholder for ignorance. Same way our ancestors claimed that the tears of their gods were what caused rains, or that the sounds of thunder meant the gods were upset -- that is, until we discovered exactly how these phenomena came about.

Ultimately, evolution has no bearing on the philosophical inquiries about God's existence. There are many Christians who accept evolution just as there are many atheists who even reject it. Just because evolution is "wrong" to you, doesn't mean the answer you made up because it makes sense to you within the context of your religious presuppositions must be any more plausible, feasible, or credible. Personally, the validity of the Theory of Evolution is of no consequence to me. Evolution didn't make me an atheist. What made me an atheist was and is the continued failure of religious folks to adequately support their outlandish claims with verifiable and trusted facts or evidence.

I'm totally fine with the possibility that we might have no definite idea on how life came about. You, on the other hand, insist on making up rubbish and pretending to know the answers even if those answers are totally unfalsifiable and indefensible, so long as nobody figures out the real answers.

Aemmyjah:



Without you bringing up any point to debunk what I said, you're only blowing hot
Mr No Evidence to support fact

Your argument was already debunked by the very premise you based it on. The Bible is the most flawed basis you can use to justify the actual existence of any god(s). It's like using the Iliad or Odyssey to establish the existence of the pantheon of deities in the Greek mythology. Budaatum has amply demonstrated this fact to you already using other examples, but you can't possibly know this simple fact because you are thicker than two short wet planks. Your pastors have done a good job locking up your brain cells and throwing away the keys. You cannot fathom simple facts or even common knowledge outside the confines of your religion.

Plus, you've completely lost your mind if you think any of the sad litters of trash you've posted so far constitute "fact". You wouldn't know FACT if it ran you down ten times with a packed molue along your street. I already suspected you were a blundering dimwit when I read your first couple of posts, so your witless replies do not surprise me in the least.

Thorrn:


Your argument was already debunked by the very premise you based it on. The Bible is the most flawed basis you can use to justify the actual existence of any god(s). It's like using the Iliad or Odyssey to establish the existence of the pantheon of deities in the Greek mythology. Budaatum has amply demonstrated this fact to you already using other examples, but you can't possibly know this simple fact because you are thicker than two short wet planks. Your pastors have done a good job locking up your brain cells and throwing away the keys. You cannot fathom simple facts or even common knowledge outside the confines of your religion.

Plus, you've completely lost your mind if you think any of the sad litters of trash you've posted so far constitute "fact". You wouldn't know FACT if it ran you down ten times with a packed molue along your street. I already suspected you were a blundering dimwit when I read your first couple of posts, so your witless replies do not surprise me in the least.

Pastors ke?
I even presented logic about order, organization, cycles in the universwe
Na wetin pastor tell me or na common sense?

Thorrn:


Doesn't it bother you that the validity of your entire argument hinges on the Theory of Evolution being proven wrong?... that your claims cannot stand firmly on their own merits?

Your entire position here is premised on a false dichotomy, that is "If option A is wrong, option B must be correct. No other options are valid or merit any sort of consideration." If we should assume (or in your case, insist) that the Theory of Evolution is wrong, it doesn't necessarily lead to the conclusion that everything was created by a conscious being. You still haven't established any facts that absolutely support your own position. What you're doing here is simply using "god" as a placeholder for ignorance. Same way our ancestors claimed that the tears of their gods were what caused rains, or that the sounds of thunder meant the gods were upset -- that is, until we discovered exactly how these phenomena came about.

Ultimately, evolution has no bearing on the philosophical inquiries about God's existence. There are many Christians who accept evolution just as there are many atheists who even reject it. Just because evolution is "wrong" to you, doesn't mean the answer you made up because it makes sense to you within the context of your religious presuppositions must be any more plausible, feasible, or credible. Personally, the validity of the Theory of Evolution is of no consequence to me. Evolution didn't make me an atheist. What made me an atheist was and is the continued failure of religious folks to adequately support their outlandish claims with verifiable and trusted facts or evidence.

I'm totally fine with the possibility that we might have no definite idea on how life came about. You, on the other hand, insist on making up rubbish and pretending to know the answers even if those answers are totally unfalsifiable and indefensible, so long as nobody figures out the real answers.

Prove your point instead of running round the forest

Creation says:

YES!

Aemmyjah:

Show us how Yahweh evolved from other gods in the Bible or how he evolved into Jesus in the Bible.

Pick up a Bible and read it from page one and sequentially to the end and tell me what you see.

But first go complete the senior secondary school science you missed out on so your eyes may actually see.

budaatum:


Pick up a Bible and read it from page one and sequentially to the end and tell me what you see.

But first go complete the senior secondary school science you missed out on so your eyes may actually see.

One thing that Charles Darwin himself found it hard to use evolution to explain was the evolution of the human eye
Do you agree that a simple, imperfect eye could evolve from a complex, imperfect eye?

Science says that the eye evolved from some light - sensitive patch... Imagine?

There is no answer.

It is like a 2 dimensional being asking,

Does the Fifth dimension exist,

Such a being may theorize all it wants, but it may
never get a final answer.

Because even 3 dimensional beings such as us
Cannot prove or disprove the reality of such
a plane of existence, we can merely theorize.


The question is way beyond our scope and
Observation.


A different question.


Is the belief in God or gods neccessary?


Do people who believe in God(s) live better and
More fulfilled lives than those who don't.



Just because a human can ask a question,
Doesn't mean it can answer said question.

Aemmyjah:



One thing that Charles Darwin himself found it hard to use evolution to explain was the evolution of the human eye
Do you agree that a simple, imperfect eye could evolve from a complex, imperfect eye?

Science says that the eye evolved from some light - sensitive patch... Imagine?

Guess I shouldn't expect you to know how far we've evolved from Darwin.

I'm just glad that most of us have evolved from Adam, or most would still be afraid of seeking knowledge for fear it might kill them.

Aemmyjah:

What has evolution got to do with the Creator?
Logically, nothing cannot produce something
Life and the universe cannot result from blind Chance.

Are you finally understanding that something must have created your god since "nothing can produce something"?

budaatum:


Are you finally understanding that something must have created your god since "nothing can produce something"?

When you have finished running round the forest chasing after the wind
Next will be the mountains
You have failed to produce one evidence, even a fake evidence that there's no Creator, instead you want to attack the concept of the creator by the same means.
Mehn
If u were a lawyer, ur client that supposed to have spent few years in prison for a crime could spend eternity cos you are very reckless