Thorrn:


Your argument was already debunked by the very premise you based it on. The Bible is the most flawed basis you can use to justify the actual existence of any god(s). It's like using the Iliad or Odyssey to establish the existence of the pantheon of deities in the Greek mythology. Budaatum has amply demonstrated this fact to you already using other examples, but you can't possibly know this simple fact because you are thicker than two short wet planks. Your pastors have done a good job locking up your brain cells and throwing away the keys. You cannot fathom simple facts or even common knowledge outside the confines of your religion.

Plus, you've completely lost your mind if you think any of the sad litters of trash you've posted so far constitute "fact". You wouldn't know FACT if it ran you down ten times with a packed molue along your street. I already suspected you were a blundering dimwit when I read your first couple of posts, so your witless replies do not surprise me in the least.

How are u sure the universe exists?

TheMaterialist:
There is no answer.

It is like a 2 dimensional being asking,

Does the Fifth dimension exist,

Such a being may theorize all it wants, but it may
never get a final answer.

Because even 3 dimensional beings such as us
Cannot prove or disprove the reality of such
a plane of existence, we can merely theorize.


The question is way beyond our scope and
Observation.


A different question.


Is the belief in God or gods neccessary?


Do people who believe in God(s) live better and
More fulfilled lives than those who don't.



Just because a human can ask a question,
Doesn't mean it can answer said question.

Rest abeg

HellVictorinho6:


Rest abeg

I am at Rest.

HellVictorinho6:


How are u sure the universe exists?

1. Define "Universe".

2. Define "Existence".

Aemmyjah:


You have failed to produce one evidence, even a fake evidence that there's no Creator.

I don't need to provide evidence for a thing that doesn't exist. It's you who needs to provide evidence to show it exists, and you can't.

Aemmyjah:



Pastors ke?
I even presented logic about order, organization, cycles in the universwe
Na wetin pastor tell me or na common sense?

Your conclusion is completely disconnected from your premise. There is no proven correlation between "order in the universe" and your fictitious god.

Aemmyjah:


Prove your point instead of running round the forest

Done that already, at least twice now.

You're either just a dishonest cunt who loves to lie and pretend or you're a first class dumbass with cognitive challenges.

Or maybe both. Who knows really.

Thorrn:


Done that already, at least twice now.

You're either just a dishonest cunt who loves to lie and pretend or you're a first class dumbass with cognitive challenges.

Or maybe both. Who knows really.

Oga
Go and rest
You did not prove anything
Twice kor
Thrice nii

Thorrn:


Your conclusion is completely disconnected from your premise. There is no proven correlation between "order in the universe" and your fictitious god.

The order and organization in the universe came by chaos right?
Keep blowing hot

budaatum:


I don't need to provide evidence for a thing that doesn't exist. It's you who needs to provide evidence to show it exists, and you can't.

Eeyah
Person wey get eye but cannot see
I drop 4 points in my post

After dropping image of the scientific approach, Mercedes evolution, ur ignorance if the Bible and see that you're very poor ij your points amd can't add up
Now you agree u can't provide evidence

budaatum:


I don't need to provide evidence for a thing that doesn't exist. It's you who needs to provide evidence to show it exists, and you can't.

If you came across the bronze statue below, would you believe it came by chance or was created?

Does it not reek of intelligent design? How much more a human? It has been estimated that for a cell in the human body to just appear by chance is 1 in 100 raised to the power 150. Science says anything higher than 1 in 10 raised to the power 117 should be treated as impossible.

If a cell can't come by chance, how much more a human being?

Evolution is not a proven science. It is even called the theory of evolution.

copy mysticwarrior

TheMaterialist:


I am at Rest.

whatever

grandstar:


If you came across the bronze statue below, would you believe it came by chance or was created?

Does it not reek of intelligent design? How much more a human? It has been estimated that for a cell in the human body to just appear by chance is 1 in 100 raised to the power 150. Science says anything higher than 1 in 10 raised to the power 117 should be treated as impossible.

If a cell can't come by chance, how much more a human being?

Evolution is not a proven science. It is even called the theory of evolution.

copy mysticwarrior

are u trying 2 sound new to the sun?

grandstar:


If you came across the bronze statue below, would you believe it came by chance or was created?

Does it not reek of intelligent design? How much more a human? It has been estimated that for a cell in the human body to just appear by chance is 1 in 100 raised to the power 150. Science says anything higher than 1 in 10 raised to the power 117 should be treated as impossible.

If a cell can't come by chance, how much more a human being?

Evolution is not a proven science. It is even called the theory of evolution.

copy mysticwarrior

Ergo, when I come across a mountain I should assume it was built by someone?

That would be rather dumb of me I'd think, when I could very easily go study geology or something to find out how mountains came to be.

Humans, for your information, did not suddenly appear. Here is some information on how humans came about. And it's based on observed evidence. Do seek further though, for this is the short version.

Aemmyjah:


Eeyah
Person wey get eye but cannot see
I drop 4 points in my post

After dropping image of the scientific approach, Mercedes evolution, ur ignorance if the Bible and see that you're very poor ij your points amd can't add up
Now you agree u can't provide evidence

Can you provide evidence for the existence of gods?

The evidence of concept of worship spanning through human existence is an undeniable proof that there is a God-entity

Names,attributes etc may differ though

budaatum:


Ergo, when I come across a mountain I should assume it was built by someone?

That would be rather dumb of me I'd think, when I could very easily go study geology or something to find out how mountains came to be.

Humans, for your information, did not suddenly appear. Here is some information on how humans came about. And it's based on observed evidence. Do seek further though, for this is the short version.

YOU EVEN NEED GO STUDY GEOLOGY, IT SHOULD COME TO YOU BY CHANCE. IF SOMETHING AS CHEAP AS GEOLOGY NEEDS STUDYING THEN STOP AND THINK

Aemmyjah:
Does God Exist?
The Bible’s answer
Yes, the Bible provides compelling evidence that God exists. It encourages us to build faith in God, not by blindly believing religious assertions, but by using our “power of reason” and “mental perception.” (Romans 12:1; 1 John 5:​20, footnote) Consider the following lines of reasoning based on the Bible:

1. The existence of an orderly universe containing life points to a Creator. The Bible says: “Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God.” (Hebrews 3:4) Although this logic is simple, many well-educated people find it to be powerful. For example, the late astronomer Allan Sandage once said regarding the universe: “I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery, but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing.”

2. As humans, we have an innate desire to understand the meaning and purpose of life, a type of hunger that can remain after our physical needs have been met. This is part of what the Bible calls our “spiritual need,” which includes the desire to know and worship God. (Matthew 5:3; Revelation 4:​11) This spiritual need not only gives evidence that God exists but also indicates that he is a loving Creator who wants us to satisfy that need.​—Matthew 4:4.

3. Detailed prophecies in the Bible were written centuries ahead of time and came true exactly as predicted. The accuracy and detail of those predictions strongly suggest that they came from a superhuman source.​—2 Peter 1:​21.

4. Bible writers had scientific knowledge that was beyond the understanding of their contemporaries. For example, in ancient times many peoples believed that the earth was supported by an animal, such as an elephant, a boar, or an ox. In contrast, the Bible says that God is “suspending the earth upon nothing.” (Job 26:7) Similarly, the Bible correctly describes the shape of the earth as a “sphere,” or “globe.” (Isaiah 40:22, footnote; Douay Version) Many people feel that the most reasonable explanation for such advanced understanding is that Bible writers received their information from God.

5. The Bible answers many difficult questions, the type of questions that when not satisfactorily answered can lead a person to atheism. For example: If God is loving and all-powerful, why is there suffering and evil in the world? Why is religion so often an influence for bad rather than for good?​—Titus 1:​16.

***For example, the late astronomer Allan Sandage once said regarding the universe: “I find it quite improbable that such order came out of chaos. There has to be some organizing principle. God to me is a mystery, but is the explanation for the miracle of existence, why there is something instead of nothing.”

©https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/does-god-exist/

1. Have you seen an orderly universe to compare to this one?
2. No. I don't have any 'innate' desire to know the meaning of life. We are all destined to be worm fodder. That's about the size of it
3. Which specific Bible prophecy came true? Name one.
4. I guess you didn't read my thread about the bible gaffes. So many of them.
https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes
One section of the gaffes was about the scientific errors littered in the Bible. Do give it a read
5. Which question did the Bible answer?

I have my own question
1. Who created Yahweh?
2. Why did he create an imperfect human knowing that we are imperfect, and still ignored us?
3. Who gave Satan his omnipotent, omniscient etc powers? Yahweh!
Who created Eden and the tree of knowledge and planted it right in the middle of the garden(not even at the outskirts where it would be out of sight of Adam and Eve) and made it have luscious fruits? Yahweh!
Do you now understand your all loving god wanted Adam fvcked from the get-go?

Aemmyjah:



Even before the Bible came
Even in places where people have never heard or seen a Bible
They give credit and worship to one who they were convinced was the maker of the universe, life and the earth... Evidence number 2

Those were the days when science was primitive and humans didn’t know how rain, thunder, humans etc were formed. Now we know all those, nobody goes around looking for who to worship

Dtruthspeaker:


In otherwords people recognise that a Greater Being owns and created the world, even if children of devils refuse to acknowledge Him like stupid tenants to their Land Lord.

So who created this 'Greater Being'?

Aemmyjah:



What evidence is there that life and earth arose by chaos?
I have eyes. It was designed for sight
I have a brain
I have ears, hands fingers, systems and organs and cells with their diverse functions and design but they work harmoniously. Who made them?


A doll may have eyes, head ears, hands, belly button 😂 but they don't even work. Yet, no one says dolls could emerge from nowhere. Hiw much the complex cell, tissue, organs, body, earth, universe?

It takes more 'faith' that all these things could emerge by chance. That kind of 'faith' is called mumu faith. The type that a poor man in a jungle of Africa would think can happen when he keeps a clay pot under his bed and expect it to be filled with dollar coins overnight. It won't happen overnight or even in a thousand years but that imagination is more reasonable and possible than to imagine life emerging by chance 😕

But you believe humans were made from clay and women came from ribs

Aemmyjah:


Did I say that?
That people in all cultures and parts of the world give worship or devotion to someone or something gives evidence to a reality that God exists. Read my second point again on spiritual need

Are you listening to yourself?
They give credit to their own god, not yours. And they also believe your own god doesn't exist

Aemmyjah:


The forum is for you to be asking me stupid questions when you have never dropped anything significant and to drop overly negative and critical views on topics. Keep seeking relevance

You opened a thread in an online forum asserting a claim(however nebulous). Someone asks a question pertaining to your claim. Now instead of answering you decide to say the question is stupvd without saying the reason why. Does that make sense? Imagine if we all had ignored your thread saying its stupvd without providing reasons why, would you like it?

jaephoenix:

You opened a thread in an online forum asserting a claim(however nebulous). Someone asks a question pertaining to your claim. Now instead of answering you decide to say the question is stupvd without saying the reason why. Does that make sense? Imagine if we all had ignored your thread saying its stupvd without providing reasons why, would you like it?

Anyone is free to comment or ignore
Not for people to ask stupid, overly pessimistic comments and questions in the name of being critically minded

Even if I say the capital of Nigeria is the FCT, they will ask me what is FCT

jaephoenix:

Are you listening to yourself?
They give credit to their own god, not yours. And they also believe your own god doesn't exist

What does that prove?
That God never existed cos of diverse forms of worship?
De play

jaephoenix:

But you believe humans were made from clay and women came from ribs

I believe that human languages evolved from the grunts and sound of brute beasts

jaephoenix:

Those were the days when science was primitive and humans didn’t know how rain, thunder, humans etc were formed. Now we know all those, nobody goes around looking for who to worship

Cos that is the common philosophical trend na
Tomorrow, you'll say someone is worshipping the white man God and following their religion
Later, una go say that the white man is leaving religion
Knowledge of God and following his way is sufficient for me

Aemmyjah:



What does that prove?
That God never existed cos of diverse forms of worship?
De play

But your isrealite god is the Most High abi

jaephoenix:

1. Have you seen an orderly universe to compare to this one?
2. No. I don't have any 'innate' desire to know the meaning of life. We are all destined to be worm fodder. That's about the size of it
3. Which specific Bible prophecy came true? Name one.
4. I guess you didn't read my thread about the bible gaffes. So many of them.
https://www.nairaland.com/7659505/book-bible-gaffes
One section of the gaffes was about the scientific errors littered in the Bible. Do give it a read
5. Which question did the Bible answer?

I have my own question
1. Who created Yahweh?
2. Why did he create an imperfect human knowing that we are imperfect, and still ignored us?
3. Who gave Satan his omnipotent, omniscient etc powers? Yahweh!
Who created Eden and the tree of knowledge and planted it right in the middle of the garden(not even at the outskirts where it would be out of sight of Adam and Eve) and made it have luscious fruits? Yahweh!
Do you now understand your all loving god wanted Adam fvcked from the get-go?

1. The universe is a wonder of order and organization. Yes or No? Why is it that atheists, as foolish as they are claim to be intelligent but never contribute anything meaningful than ask stupid questions? Why?

2. Your own problem

3. Is a Bible too hard to find in your area?

4. Useless thread as your comments na. Leave religious stuff and create a Thread that is meaningful.


1. Is that a reasonable objection to the origin of the universe?

2. Wrong question based on wrong or false premise/conclusion... Big fallacy

3. Another wrong or false statement /question.


Guy, go and rest

budaatum:


Can you provide evidence for the existence of gods?

I did
U can't waste my time

Aemmyjah:



One thing that Charles Darwin himself found it hard to use evolution to explain was the evolution of the human eye
Do you agree that a simple, imperfect eye could evolve from a complex, imperfect eye?

Science says that the eye evolved from some light - sensitive patch... Imagine?

Still using that tired and thoroughly debunked canard in 2023?

Darwin asked a question which he ANSWERED. Stop using this canard, it's nonsense and the sooner you accept it the better for you.

jaephoenix:

So who created this 'Greater Being'?

Why must He be created?

Who cares where He comes from or how He came to be? Something you did not date ask your father of you had home training.

And besides, Off Point! The topic is about God, our Creator and not about God's God or how God came to be, so you have nothing valid.