Aemmyjah:


Guy, ignore him
Unless you're ready to answer series of silly questions

Are you saying chaos came by chance?

Aemmyjah:


Guy, ignore him
Unless you're ready to answer series of silly questions

Done already.

Maynman:

Fool laughing at himself.

These guys deserve to be on the receiving end of that thing you do so well.

budaatum:


These guys deserve to be on the receiving end of that thing you do so well.

It's a necessary instrument needed in the play

Maynman:

It's a necessary instrument needed in the play

Definitely needed in this play with these actors, I say.

Aemmyjah:



I guess you know
Educate us pls 🙏

How can order and organization arise by chaos?

from: https://shawcss.tripod.com/cosmogony/content/cosmogony_04.html

Creation by Conflict and the Ordering of Chaos
A theme present in many creation stories is the idea that the cosmos is created or ordered through a battle with terrible powers or monsters, generally represented by a dDragon, serpent or the Leviathan. The best example of this creation story is the ancient Babylonian epic Enuma elish.

The title. "Enuma elish", comes from the first two words of the myth: "when on high." The myth itself was written down during the 12th Century BCE, but most scholars agree that its origins are much older. The Enuma Elish tells the story of the creation of the cosmos, the hierarchy of gods and the creation of the world and the creation of man.

The text consists of seven tablets. It tells how Marduk the god of Babylon, was chosen king of the gods to defeat Tiamat, the personified sea representing chaotic evil. After killing her, Marduk split her in two, created the world from her corpse, and stationed the various gods in their appropriate spheres. Then he created the human race from the blood of the rebel god Kingu to be the slaves of the gods. Finally he established Babylon. The text ends with the gods praising Marduk by reciting his 50 names.

To understand the Enuma Elish, we must first understand something of the community in which it functioned as sacred language. Ancient Babylon was located in the area of the Middle East known as Mesopotamia. Mesopotamia literally means "the land between two rivers." The land itself is literally created silt deposited by the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. The silt is formed where the fresh water meets the salt water. This phenomenon is expressed in the Enuma Elish as the mingling or sexual union of fresh water and salt water.

The conflict between Marduk and Ti'amat explains a realistic feature of life in Mesopotamia. The battle is reflected in the annual flooding of the Mesopotamian plain and the contest between the waters (chaos) and the winds which can fight back the waters and bring back dry land. The myth thus suggests that the natural order is a reflection of the archetype (model) of the struggle between Tiamat and Marduk.

The Enuma Elish also suggests that the social order is patterned after the order of the sacred. Notice that the myth describes the establishment of the cosmic government and explains why there is a hierarchy of gods and why Marduk is to be worshipped as the supreme god. This government of the gods is also reflected in the political reality of this world: "Scholars point out that the myth dramatizes the political crises of Mesopotamian history, from primal warring communities to city-states, and finally to empire." What is significant is that the myth sees the emerging political structure as the human-social reflection of the order already achieved by the pantheon of the gods.

But where did humans come from? What is their purpose in the order of creation? The Enuma Elish also answers this question. Humans were created by Marduk to relieve the gods of their labors. Thus, humans are given the work once assigned to the gods.

What is significant about the city of Babylon and its temple to Marduk? The myth tells us that the gods themselves built the capital of the Babylonian empire along with the temple where Marduk is to be worshipped. Babylon is thus destined by the gods to be a city of prominence, majesty and might where Marduk's rule is established on earth.

This brief analysis should be sufficient to demonstrate how myths function to explain where the world came from, why things are the way they are and the role of humanity in the cosmos. In this case, the myth uses the basic framework of creation by conflict.

22jumpstreet1:


from: https://shawcss.tripod.com/cosmogony/content/cosmogony_04.html

Lol, Marduk had a fight with Tiamat where?
Which world did Marduk create then?Material world? Nebro

22jumpstreet1:


from: https://shawcss.tripod.com/cosmogony/content/cosmogony_04.html

Jesus came to warn you about Marduk, creator of heaven and earth, he is a small boy in the pantheon of gods.
Judas said Jesus came from Barbelo.

Aemmyjah:


Explanation based on fact right or assumptions?
You are right though, it's wrong to say the human eye is simple (though simpler in comparison to the lower forms) but that's the same mistake Darwin made when he thought that the cells were simple. Even the primitive, unicellular yeast cell is very complex
If you want to drop screenshot, especially with regards to science, drop from authoritative sources and not from a pupil from Agbirigidi Comprehensive Community Grammer High School cos una too de look for nonsense


Bwahahahahaha

😂😂😂

HellVictorinho6:


whatever

Okay.

Aemmyjah:


Ur comments are well read and ignored
Nice try

Translation
I don't know how to answer the question. So let me dodge it and pretend its a foolish question

Aemmyjah:


U said something else must have made the universe and not the God of the Bible
And I asked
That something else does not want itself to be known by its creation right?

Imagine? A Christian saying this? Same Christian whose god has been doing hide and seek for more than 2000 years. When you ask them where their god is, they tell you he only talks to them spiritually

Aemmyjah:


Maybe you were looking elsewhere.

His fingerprint is all over creation that no man can excuse it. According to you, the one who put spiritual need in mqn will be playing hide and seek?

The same god follower of those gods can tell you this same bullshit you're saying now, that his footprint is all over.
Buy a brain

Aemmyjah:


Just as we have inventors, we have Fathers
God is used to describe the one that made all things
You're not even making sense to yourself
If this were a law court and you were trying to defend your client, I'd have sentenced you and your client to jail until you both learn how to present concrete arguments based on evidence

You're the one that's not making sense.
You say other gods are silent but yours has his 'footprint all over'. Did it occur to your foolish brain that the followers of those gods would say this exact same rubbish?

Aemmyjah:


Has science follow these same steps regarding evolution?

Yes.

Aemmyjah:



I was speaking in a general sense and even used logic

Poor critic

Remember that the scribes and priests were the organizers behind the writings and their history.
Would they record the account when their gods were humiliated?

I was talking about the Creator God
U can't disprove what I said that find fault in what u don't see in some ancient Egyptian records

Scribes and priests of which people?
This man lacks a brain.
Someone told you there is nil history of any Hebrew god or Yahweh wither dividing the Red Sea, or Egyptians enslaving Israelites etc. And you're saying bullshit.
Get a brain

mysticwarrior:
Without using Biblical sources, I was expecting you to contest my write up using acknowledgeable reference to convince me of the existence of "the creator God you mentioned" but you just disappoint yourself more with such an awkward and illogical way of thinking.

After DTruthSpeaker, Maxindhouse, this Aemmyjah is in line for the dumbest theist. Dont expect any evidence from him. But watch him gloat about providing ample data

Aemmyjah:



I was talking qnd presenting logic about existence of the Creator God
You are talking about an event

Can you define logic?
What fact have you based your god existence logic on?

Aemmyjah:


Oga
Evolution has met scientific approach
Yes or No?

Yes it has. Any problem?

Aemmyjah:



What scientific approach?
Name any

I have had this argument with you but you seems to be thicker than a wet brick wall.
Evolution is backed by biology, archeology and history. I have sent you articles and links as explainers, yet it doesn't seem to sink into your thick skull, and you call yourself a biologist. Imagine

jaephoenix:

I have had this argument with you but you seems to be thicker than a wet brick wall.
Evolution is backed by biology, archeology and history. I have sent you articles and links as explainers, yet it doesn't seem to sink into your thick skull, and you call yourself a biologist. Imagine

I knew he'd have been educated and refused to learn.

budaatum:

Shows you lack knowledge about the scientific method.

In fact, tell the truth. Did you did do science past mandatory jss?

He says he's an environmental biologist. Imagine someone that doesn't understand or believe his vocation. This is why I scrutinize any theist IQ

Thorrn:


Aw, shut up.

How many more times are we going to entertain this ridiculous circus from religious people? This is textbook circular reasoning, and is a logical fallacy. You argument was shot down before it even took off (by you, no less!). The Bible already presupposes the existence of God. If your mission is to convince non-believers that a god exists, you need to base your argument on actual objective, independent bases. Given prior experiences of discussing with theists in the past, I don't expect you to understand what I just wrote.

The substance of the comments from posters in this subforum has truly gone down the drain over the years. It used to be home to the most engaging intellectual discussions.

Actually Intellectuals are still around but are getting tired of engaging dummies like OP

Aemmyjah:


Instead of a simple Yes or No answer
He's jumped to quoting Bible

He has been giving u yes answer since ages ago. Your poor comprehension skills are killing you

Aemmyjah:




Logically, Evolution tells you that everything in the universe and life and earth with their cycles, order and organization came by chance. In other words, everything came from nothing.
We know the kind of people that nonsense makes sense to them and they call it fact

Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

A biologist does not know what evolution is. Even with my constant education of you in this topic. Make una cum oh
LordReed
Maynmann
Bacteriologist
HardMirror
Workch

budaatum:


I guess it's hard for you to follow the conversation and comprehend what you read.

The Bible verse was to show you how the idea of God evolved into Jesus, and the evolution of Mercedes Benz was to show you how people who have learnt and understood the science of evolution utilise the knowledge they have acquired. But I guess you needed to have studied science further than jss, which you've shown here you didn't.

Bro, that guy is too thick to understand the simplistic meaning of the word Evolution, never mind the scientific connotations.
That's how poor our education is in this country. And religion has capitalized on this poor education to propagate itself

Aemmyjah:



Evolution of living things and evolution of a non living thing?
Chai

Besides, God and Jesus Christ are two distinct persons
It's sad to see someone very ignorant about Bible, science, technology, everything

Non living things can be evolved. Iphones have evolved, hope you know (or are you still too thick to understand that example too )

Aemmyjah:



Show us how Yahweh evolved from other gods in the Bible or how he evolved into Jesus in the Bible

Your comments are purely assumptions and ignorant but they are epic tho.
There's this saying that 'be very good at something and do it well'
I love your assumptions and ignorance about three things so far u mentioned - Bible, science and technology without evidence

Pls Kwantinue
The ball is still in your court

In the Old Testament, Yahweh was all about destruction. Kill the non believers, destroy whole cities because one man sinned, drowned the whole damned world cos some dudes in Sodom wanted arseholes instead of pussy etc etc. Now what happened in the New Testament. Love your neighbor as yourself, turn the other cheek if you're affronted etc. Notice the difference? Its called evolution.
Just to make sure you understand evolution further, I got the simplistic definitions here

1.
the process by which different kinds of living organism are believed to have developed from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
Similar:
Darwinism
natural selection
2.
the gradual development of something
"the forms of written languages undergo constant evolution"

In this context, the second definition took care of the description of Yahweh, which is his change of character.

Notice how I dumbed this down to the barest minimum. I noticed you have comprehension challenges thus I took my time. Now say thank you

jaephoenix:

Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

A biologist does not know what evolution is. Even with my constant education of you in this topic. Make una cum oh
LordReed
Maynmann
Bacteriologist
HardMirror
Workch

He likes to use strawmen and canards as a shield to continue to perpetuate and maintain his misunderstanding of the theory. It's funny watching him assiduously refusing to learn even when given lots of instructional material to help along his understanding.

Thorrn:


Your argument was already debunked by the very premise you based it on. The Bible is the most flawed basis you can use to justify the actual existence of any god(s). It's like using the Iliad or Odyssey to establish the existence of the pantheon of deities in the Greek mythology. Budaatum has amply demonstrated this fact to you already using other examples, but you can't possibly know this simple fact because you are thicker than two short wet planks. Your pastors have done a good job locking up your brain cells and throwing away the keys. You cannot fathom simple facts or even common knowledge outside the confines of your religion.

Plus, you've completely lost your mind if you think any of the sad litters of trash you've posted so far constitute "fact". You wouldn't know FACT if it ran you down ten times with a packed molue along your street. I already suspected you were a blundering dimwit when I read your first couple of posts, so your witless replies do not surprise me in the least.

Not only is he a dumb theist, but a Jehovah's Witness, the dumbest of the lot

Aemmyjah:



One thing that Charles Darwin himself found it hard to use evolution to explain was the evolution of the human eye
Do you agree that a simple, imperfect eye could evolve from a complex, imperfect eye?

Science says that the eye evolved from some light - sensitive patch... Imagine?

Where did Darwin blunder and where did science say the eye evolved from a patch?

Aemmyjah:


Why not say that I was lying against Darwin? 😂 😂 😂

Or explain how and why your eyes which is simple and imperfect could evolve from that which was complex and perfect ?

Or explain how the eyes originated from a patch of light sensitive material. Is that an fiction or scientific fact

The human eye is not perfect. Matter of fact, no organ is perfect. How do you think neoplasms(cancers, teratomas) come about?
Are you usually this thick in real life? If you were any thicker, you would simply solidify into a hard mass of turd