Re: Does God Exist? by Maynman: 2:00pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
Guy, ignore him Unless you're ready to answer series of silly questions Are you saying chaos came by chance? |
Re: Does God Exist? by Dtruthspeaker: 2:02pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
Guy, ignore him Unless you're ready to answer series of silly questions Done already. |
Re: Does God Exist? by budaatum: 2:13pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Maynman:
Fool laughing at himself. These guys deserve to be on the receiving end of that thing you do so well. |
Re: Does God Exist? by Maynman: 2:18pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
budaatum:
These guys deserve to be on the receiving end of that thing you do so well. It's a necessary instrument needed in the play ![wink](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/wink.png) 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by budaatum: 2:19pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Maynman:
It's a necessary instrument needed in the play ![wink](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/wink.png) Definitely needed in this play with these actors, I say. 1 Like |
Re: Does God Exist? by 22jumpstreet1(m): 2:31pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
I guess you know Educate us pls π
How can order and organization arise by chaos? from: https://shawcss.tripod.com/cosmogony/content/cosmogony_04.htmlCreation by Conflict and the Ordering of Chaos A theme present in many creation stories is the idea that the cosmos is created or ordered through a battle with terrible powers or monsters, generally represented by a dDragon, serpent or the Leviathan. The best example of this creation story is the ancient Babylonian epic Enuma elish.
The title. "Enuma elish", comes from the first two words of the myth: "when on high." The myth itself was written down during the 12th Century BCE, but most scholars agree that its origins are much older. The Enuma Elish tells the story of the creation of the cosmos, the hierarchy of gods and the creation of the world and the creation of man.
The text consists of seven tablets. It tells how Marduk the god of Babylon, was chosen king of the gods to defeat Tiamat, the personified sea representing chaotic evil. After killing her, Marduk split her in two, created the world from her corpse, and stationed the various gods in their appropriate spheres. Then he created the human race from the blood of the rebel god Kingu to be the slaves of the gods. Finally he established Babylon. The text ends with the gods praising Marduk by reciting his 50 names.
To understand the Enuma Elish, we must first understand something of the community in which it functioned as sacred language. Ancient Babylon was located in the area of the Middle East known as Mesopotamia. Mesopotamia literally means "the land between two rivers." The land itself is literally created silt deposited by the Tigris and Euphrates rivers. The silt is formed where the fresh water meets the salt water. This phenomenon is expressed in the Enuma Elish as the mingling or sexual union of fresh water and salt water.
The conflict between Marduk and Ti'amat explains a realistic feature of life in Mesopotamia. The battle is reflected in the annual flooding of the Mesopotamian plain and the contest between the waters (chaos) and the winds which can fight back the waters and bring back dry land. The myth thus suggests that the natural order is a reflection of the archetype (model) of the struggle between Tiamat and Marduk.
The Enuma Elish also suggests that the social order is patterned after the order of the sacred. Notice that the myth describes the establishment of the cosmic government and explains why there is a hierarchy of gods and why Marduk is to be worshipped as the supreme god. This government of the gods is also reflected in the political reality of this world: "Scholars point out that the myth dramatizes the political crises of Mesopotamian history, from primal warring communities to city-states, and finally to empire." What is significant is that the myth sees the emerging political structure as the human-social reflection of the order already achieved by the pantheon of the gods.
But where did humans come from? What is their purpose in the order of creation? The Enuma Elish also answers this question. Humans were created by Marduk to relieve the gods of their labors. Thus, humans are given the work once assigned to the gods.
What is significant about the city of Babylon and its temple to Marduk? The myth tells us that the gods themselves built the capital of the Babylonian empire along with the temple where Marduk is to be worshipped. Babylon is thus destined by the gods to be a city of prominence, majesty and might where Marduk's rule is established on earth.
This brief analysis should be sufficient to demonstrate how myths function to explain where the world came from, why things are the way they are and the role of humanity in the cosmos. In this case, the myth uses the basic framework of creation by conflict. |
Re: Does God Exist? by Maynman: 2:37pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
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Re: Does God Exist? by Maynman: 2:45pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
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Re: Does God Exist? by cornelboy(f): 2:54pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
Explanation based on fact right or assumptions? You are right though, it's wrong to say the human eye is simple (though simpler in comparison to the lower forms) but that's the same mistake Darwin made when he thought that the cells were simple. Even the primitive, unicellular yeast cell is very complex If you want to drop screenshot, especially with regards to science, drop from authoritative sources and not from a pupil from Agbirigidi Comprehensive Community Grammer High School cos una too de look for nonsense
Bwahahahahaha
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Re: Does God Exist? by Nobody: 3:30pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 4:32pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
Ur comments are well read and ignored Nice try Translation I don't know how to answer the question. So let me dodge it and pretend its a foolish question 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 4:33pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
U said something else must have made the universe and not the God of the Bible And I asked That something else does not want itself to be known by its creation right? Imagine? A Christian saying this? Same Christian whose god has been doing hide and seek for more than 2000 years. When you ask them where their god is, they tell you he only talks to them spiritually ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) 1 Like |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 4:35pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
Maybe you were looking elsewhere.
His fingerprint is all over creation that no man can excuse it. According to you, the one who put spiritual need in mqn will be playing hide and seek? The same god follower of those gods can tell you this same bullshit you're saying now, that his footprint is all over. Buy a brain |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 4:37pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
Just as we have inventors, we have Fathers God is used to describe the one that made all things You're not even making sense to yourself If this were a law court and you were trying to defend your client, I'd have sentenced you and your client to jail until you both learn how to present concrete arguments based on evidence You're the one that's not making sense. You say other gods are silent but yours has his 'footprint all over'. Did it occur to your foolish brain that the followers of those gods would say this exact same rubbish? 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 4:37pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
Has science follow these same steps regarding evolution? ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) Yes. |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 4:41pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
I was speaking in a general sense and even used logic
Poor critic
Remember that the scribes and priests were the organizers behind the writings and their history. Would they record the account when their gods were humiliated?
I was talking about the Creator God U can't disprove what I said that find fault in what u don't see in some ancient Egyptian records
Scribes and priests of which people? This man lacks a brain. Someone told you there is nil history of any Hebrew god or Yahweh wither dividing the Red Sea, or Egyptians enslaving Israelites etc. And you're saying bullshit. Get a brain |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 4:43pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
mysticwarrior: Without using Biblical sources, I was expecting you to contest my write up using acknowledgeable reference to convince me of the existence of "the creator God you mentioned" but you just disappoint yourself more with such an awkward and illogical way of thinking. After DTruthSpeaker, Maxindhouse, this Aemmyjah is in line for the dumbest theist. Dont expect any evidence from him. But watch him gloat about providing ample data 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 6:13pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
I was talking qnd presenting logic about existence of the Creator God You are talking about an event Can you define logic? What fact have you based your god existence logic on? |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 6:14pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
Oga Evolution has met scientific approach Yes or No? Yes it has. Any problem? |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 7:27pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
What scientific approach? Name any ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) I have had this argument with you but you seems to be thicker than a wet brick wall. Evolution is backed by biology, archeology and history. I have sent you articles and links as explainers, yet it doesn't seem to sink into your thick skull, and you call yourself a biologist. Imagine 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by budaatum: 8:01pm On Oct 31, 2023 |
jaephoenix:
I have had this argument with you but you seems to be thicker than a wet brick wall. Evolution is backed by biology, archeology and history. I have sent you articles and links as explainers, yet it doesn't seem to sink into your thick skull, and you call yourself a biologist. Imagine I knew he'd have been educated and refused to learn. |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 11:37am On Nov 01, 2023 |
budaatum:
Shows you lack knowledge about the scientific method.
In fact, tell the truth. Did you did do science past mandatory jss? He says he's an environmental biologist. Imagine someone that doesn't understand or believe his vocation. This is why I scrutinize any theist IQ 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 11:43am On Nov 01, 2023 |
Thorrn:
Aw, shut up.
How many more times are we going to entertain this ridiculous circus from religious people? This is textbook circular reasoning, and is a logical fallacy. You argument was shot down before it even took off (by you, no less!). The Bible already presupposes the existence of God. If your mission is to convince non-believers that a god exists, you need to base your argument on actual objective, independent bases. Given prior experiences of discussing with theists in the past, I don't expect you to understand what I just wrote.
The substance of the comments from posters in this subforum has truly gone down the drain over the years. It used to be home to the most engaging intellectual discussions. Actually Intellectuals are still around but are getting tired of engaging dummies like OP |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:08pm On Nov 01, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
Instead of a simple Yes or No answer He's jumped to quoting Bible ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) He has been giving u yes answer since ages ago. Your poor comprehension skills are killing you |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:13pm On Nov 01, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
Logically, Evolution tells you that everything in the universe and life and earth with their cycles, order and organization came by chance. In other words, everything came from nothing. We know the kind of people that nonsense makes sense to them and they call it fact Jesus Christ of Nazareth!
A biologist does not know what evolution is. Even with my constant education of you in this topic. Make una cum oh ![shocked](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/shocked.gif) LordReed Maynmann Bacteriologist HardMirror Workch |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:16pm On Nov 01, 2023 |
budaatum:
I guess it's hard for you to follow the conversation and comprehend what you read.
The Bible verse was to show you how the idea of God evolved into Jesus, and the evolution of Mercedes Benz was to show you how people who have learnt and understood the science of evolution utilise the knowledge they have acquired. But I guess you needed to have studied science further than jss, which you've shown here you didn't. Bro, that guy is too thick to understand the simplistic meaning of the word Evolution, never mind the scientific connotations. That's how poor our education is in this country. And religion has capitalized on this poor education to propagate itself 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:17pm On Nov 01, 2023 |
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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:25pm On Nov 01, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
Show us how Yahweh evolved from other gods in the Bible or how he evolved into Jesus in the Bible
Your comments are purely assumptions and ignorant but they are epic tho. There's this saying that 'be very good at something and do it well' I love your assumptions and ignorance about three things so far u mentioned - Bible, science and technology without evidence
Pls Kwantinue The ball is still in your court In the Old Testament, Yahweh was all about destruction. Kill the non believers, destroy whole cities because one man sinned, drowned the whole damned world cos some dudes in Sodom wanted arseholes instead of pussy etc etc. Now what happened in the New Testament. Love your neighbor as yourself, turn the other cheek if you're affronted etc. Notice the difference? Its called evolution. Just to make sure you understand evolution further, I got the simplistic definitions here 1. the process by which different kinds of living organism are believed to have developed from earlier forms during the history of the earth. Similar: Darwinism natural selection 2. the gradual development of something "the forms of written languages undergo constant evolution"In this context, the second definition took care of the description of Yahweh, which is his change of character. Notice how I dumbed this down to the barest minimum. I noticed you have comprehension challenges thus I took my time. Now say thank you ![cheesy](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/cheesy.png) |
Re: Does God Exist? by LordReed(m): 12:27pm On Nov 01, 2023 |
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Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:29pm On Nov 01, 2023 |
Thorrn:
Your argument was already debunked by the very premise you based it on. The Bible is the most flawed basis you can use to justify the actual existence of any god(s). It's like using the Iliad or Odyssey to establish the existence of the pantheon of deities in the Greek mythology. Budaatum has amply demonstrated this fact to you already using other examples, but you can't possibly know this simple fact because you are thicker than two short wet planks. Your pastors have done a good job locking up your brain cells and throwing away the keys. You cannot fathom simple facts or even common knowledge outside the confines of your religion.
Plus, you've completely lost your mind if you think any of the sad litters of trash you've posted so far constitute "fact". You wouldn't know FACT if it ran you down ten times with a packed molue along your street. I already suspected you were a blundering dimwit when I read your first couple of posts, so your witless replies do not surprise me in the least.
Not only is he a dumb theist, but a Jehovah's Witness, the dumbest of the lot |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:32pm On Nov 01, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
One thing that Charles Darwin himself found it hard to use evolution to explain was the evolution of the human eye Do you agree that a simple, imperfect eye could evolve from a complex, imperfect eye?
Science says that the eye evolved from some light - sensitive patch... Imagine? Where did Darwin blunder and where did science say the eye evolved from a patch? |
Re: Does God Exist? by jaephoenix(m): 12:36pm On Nov 01, 2023 |
Aemmyjah:
Why not say that I was lying against Darwin? π π π
Or explain how and why your eyes which is simple and imperfect could evolve from that which was complex and perfect ?
Or explain how the eyes originated from a patch of light sensitive material. Is that an fiction or scientific fact The human eye is not perfect. Matter of fact, no organ is perfect. How do you think neoplasms(cancers, teratomas) come about? Are you usually this thick in real life? If you were any thicker, you would simply solidify into a hard mass of turd ![undecided](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/undecided.png) |