jaephoenix:

And if they conclude, then they need to provide evidence. Simple.
Just like cave men were very sure rain was made by the gods, but aren't interested in evidence

They should have believed they form by accident na
😁

jaephoenix:

1. Whether they were a nation or not, there was no history of Egypt taking any tribes called Israel or Jews as slaves.
2. The Koran and Toran were all mythical books, same as the Bible, and copied from each other. Reason why similar persons or nations are recorded in them. Moses, Abraham, Jacob, Jesus etc were in all books, and all mythical. No historical books depicted them.
3. Good. If it was in their geographical locations, that's the more reason why such events should be recorded by these ancient Egyptians. And no, I dont have the power to suppress history. Thanks for putting me in high esteem
4. Maybe you should read this your bible a lil bit. Maybe you'll see more of the bullshit we saw and ran away
Matthew 27:52-55
New International Version
52 and the tombs broke open. The bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. 53 They came out of the tombs after Jesus’ resurrection and[a] went into the holy city and appeared to many people

1. Either it was lost or removed... Go amd do research ok Pharoah and The semites

2. There's even archeological evidence that mentions Abram and fits what the Bible said about him purchasing a field. Jesus is a historical person. You want to tell us that Muhammed is mythical too?
Sense is far from you

3. Were they in Egypt? Would you expect the Egyptians (their writing is supervised by the Scribes and priests) to write anything good about the people amd their God who humiliated their gods, people king and army? Thinking is free... Poor critical thinker

4. The Jews so hated Jesus that critics call him a Roman character even though much of his dealings amd miracles were to the Jews and not the Romans. They disregard him and reject him. Were you expecting em to write about events surrounding his death?
Besides, the idea that these ones were raised up to life is not accurate. The Bible says that the earthquaked and the rocks split and many bodies of the holy ones that were fallen asleep (dead) were raised up (or lifted). They were not resurrected to life. The force of the quake must have been so strong that it exposed the bodies of such ones. Similar events also happen in our generations? Those that went into the holy city were not the dead ones but eyewitnesses of those who witnessed what happened. Next time, put your brain in your head and read Bible, not in your pocket

Aemmyjah:



Cornelboy
Pls answer
This thread I created on 'Does God exist'
Is there a link or not after the writeup?

There's a link

jaephoenix:

A theist talking about logic? Whoa! Jesus is Lord

Na atheist create logic?

jaephoenix:

Typical example of ignorance. Science is a waste of time on you folks

Lol the phone I'm using is from science. I enjoy a lot from science.
Don't talk as if all scientists believe in your "science myths" or science exists as an alternative for the creator.

All your billions of years ago, evolution theories, bigbang are all assumptions not fact. It's so funny you believe that humans evolved from the great ape and condemn us for believing in the Bible.
It's far logical to believe the bible than your articles filled with myths that are far from reality.

jaephoenix:

Yes its logical. If you say something cannot come out of nothing, then you'll have to explain how your designer came about. Its easy.
Like Aemmyjah, I don't know where you got your own degree. Alcoholic fathers don't give birth to deformed babies. The degree of quackery here is overwhelming

Hahaha who says that the creator came in the first place. He's been existing without a beginning and everything you see belongs to him. Keep asking your dumb question.

If the creator has another creator, where do you think the chains of creator would end, infinity?

It's very logical to say the mastermind started everything. All the credits go to him.

jaephoenix:

Yup. Just like you said " Who created the designer" is a dumb question! Lolz

Yes it's incoherent. The creator doesn't have to have another designer, any objections?

Aemmyjah:



But parents create children?
Who did you say was your Biology teacher in secondary school again?

As if the parents gave birth to their children in their own power. No be person wey design them then go give praise to? The fact that jaephoenix is here today is the product of the intelligence of the designer.

Atheist are like a poor man who went home one day and found billions of dollars in his room. He also saw an address. Instead of looking for the address of his helper and show is gratitude, he was spending the money lavishly and even made people believe that the money came from his hard work lol

If they believe life and everything came by chance of course they can believe anything just to negate God.

YANFU YANFU.

Aemmyjah:



Who created babies?
Or the organs and system and mechanism involved in childbirth?
Fake doctor has never heard that the process itself is sometimes called a miracle
If you cannot believe that a child born by incubation that all the process is by accident and no one involved, is it the more complex and natural one you will dispute?
Olodo
What you say is staring at me is something you'll later say yiu don't know

I dẹ feel you

Image123:


Lolz, the basket met a brick wall again and resorted to the common deviation tactics. See you some months later asking the same questions. jokers.

Lol. Here we are, debating about the existence of a being which you insist exists, then you started mumbling about terms like soul, spirit etc which are terms none of you can define. In fact, get 10 christians, ask them what soul or spirit is, and you'll get 11 definitions. Then someone asks you to provide evidence such entities exist, you proceeded to start quoting from a book that only you believe in and which has been historically found to be fairly tales. So you force me to quote from my own book which only I believe in. Then you suddenly switch to this gibberish you just typed.
I think the average IQ for chrissies is 10. Judging from their reasoning here

jaephoenix:

Lol. Here we are, debating about the existence of a being which you insist exists, then you started mumbling about terms like soul, spirit etc which are terms none of you can define. In fact, get 10 christians, ask them what soul or spirit is, and you'll get 11 definitions. Then someone asks you to provide evidence such entities exist, you proceeded to start quoting from a book that only you believe in and which has been historically found to be fairly tales. So you force me to quote from my own book which only I believe in. Then you suddenly switch to this gibberish you just typed.
I think the average IQ for chrissies is 10. Judging from their reasoning here

Are muslims any better?

Do we even have evidence of the universe when defined as everything despite the impossibility of nothing or nothingness which is erroneously indirectly said to exist for as long as we accept the concept of everything instead of SOMETHING ALWAYS ALONGSIDE SOMETHING ELSE?

There is no rule for existence.

To exist cant be controlled

Physics,Chemistry,Maths,etc

Cant prove what stands no chance

Which is how to control the continuity called existence

Existence is the uncontrollable continuity of cases , whose definitions are given in SPEECH OR WRITING.

It is you that provides a meaning for what you see unto yourself.
The meanings are for you to use.

But would u say ur sight brings what u see into existence?

Does evidence bring into existence what it is proving?

Is evidence not whatever makes u say evidence?

There is no evidence of anything unless we give it that name for a purpose.

My parents can be accused by a rich ba-stard of stealing or buying me when i was a toddler and the rich ba-stard will win in any court because anything presented by the rich will be taken as evidence in the court.

Even if the rich gets the so called jail term,then they were not rich enough to avoid a restriction the poor wont mind having.

Only the poor get the jail term,where they suffer but never get corrected.

Restriction is not always jail

Restriction may lead to correction but jail never does

But the court will rather call it jail in order to mean its ruling is the right or justified one in which a ba-stard will be supposedly punished through suffering

Correction of behavior cant happen in jail

Maybe it will be paused

It can as well worsen

However,the ba-stard can be suffered and worsened at the same time unto death on the street.

Overreaction is another topic


Depends on the magnitude of loss

Loss of 2 does not merit robbery of 15



Check what u buy

jaephoenix:

Not only is he a dumb theist, but a Jehovah's Witness, the dumbest of the lot

Lol. Jehovah Witnesses. Scum of the earth, those lot.

jaephoenix:

Please can you point out where he said its divinity? Thank you

And you said you have watched the video.

Definitely, either you didn't watch it or you watch it but lie.

Dtruthspeaker:


All your arguments are fallacious.

Interesting accusation. Let's examine it, shall we?

The argument is not about the bible being flawed.

1. The argument is about the existence of God/s.

2. OP has to provide evidence/s to justify the existence of God/s.

3. OP presented the Bible as proof that his god exists.

4. Unfortunately, the Bible does not qualify as proof because the Bible already presupposes the existence of God, and is therefore flawed. It's like using the Harry Potter novels to prove the existence of Dementors.

Then you comit the fallacy of appealing to badaatum as if he is an authority

You're wrong as usual.

It would have been an appeal to authority if I had said "Your argument is wrong because budaatum said so".

What I said was "Your argument is wrong because of X, which budaatum already pointed out

I don't expect you to note the difference between those two statements.

then ad homineming his pastors and him.

I'm not sure you even understand what an ad hominem is.

All these are no arguments meaning you do not counter his arguments validly.

Given previous interactions with you, I know for a fact that you are far less intelligent than Aemmyjah and 90% of the users here so I don't rate your contributions in the slightest.

So this is you just trying to argue by making unnecessary noises since you had nothing to say to him.

If it helps you go about your day without anxiety, that's your kettle of fish.

Aemmyjah:



The order and organization in the universe came by chaos right?
Keep blowing hot

Nobody knows for a fact how the universe came about, not even you. You only think you do because your Bible told you so. And your Bible is a bundle of lies and confabulations. QED.

Aemmyjah:


Oga
Go and rest
You did not prove anything
Twice kor
Thrice nii

I've done more than enough already. I'm not obliged to make any sense to you. You are doomed to be stupid and it's not my fault.

jaephoenix:

Lol. Here we are, debating about the existence of a being which you insist exists, then you started mumbling about terms like soul, spirit etc which are terms none of you can define. In fact, get 10 christians, ask them what soul or spirit is, and you'll get 11 definitions. Then someone asks you to provide evidence such entities exist, you proceeded to start quoting from a book that only you believe in and which has been historically found to be fairly tales. So you force me to quote from my own book which only I believe in. Then you suddenly switch to this gibberish you just typed.
I think the average IQ for chrissies is 10. Judging from their reasoning here

It's proper to ask you like you asked someone recently, "Have you been reading my comments or you're a bot?" Now, follow me logically, if that's not too much to ask.

Little reed riding hood hoped that religion will die since people are becoming educated and prosperous, according to someone.
i replied that unfounded hope by saying that as long as man has soul and spirit, religion is going nowhere.
You ran in looking for evidence of soul and spirit.
i obliged you as a good person that i always am. Showing you with scriptures backing what religion, soul and spirit refer to.
It didn't fit what you want, you came in mumbling some nonsense about me quoting Bible and therefore you want to quote also.
i didn't take the bait leading to nowhere.
Then you came again very pained talking about 10 christians and IQ. i advice you to be less emotional.

Thorrn:


I've done more than enough already. I'm not obliged to make any sense to you. You are doomed to be stupid and it's not my fault.

You did not drop any evidence
Just stories
Foolishness makes sense to your kind
So rest

Thorrn:


Nobody knows for a fact how the universe came about, not even you. You only think you do because your Bible told you so. And your Bible is a bundle of lies and confabulations. QED.

Assumptions and stories as usual

You say nobody knows but your assumption is what you teach as fact abd those that give credit to a Designer are not intelligent. Olodo pro max

Thorrn:


Interesting accusation. Let's examine it, shall we?



1. The argument is about the existence of God/s.

2. OP has to provide evidence/s to justify the existence of God/s.

3. OP presented the Bible as proof that his god exists.

4. Unfortunately, the Bible does not qualify as proof because the Bible already presupposes the existence of God, and is therefore flawed. It's like using the Harry Potter novels to prove the existence of Dementors.



You're wrong as usual.

It would have been an appeal to authority if I had said "Your argument is wrong because budaatum said so".

What I said was "Your argument is wrong because of X, which budaatum already pointed out

I don't expect you to note the difference between those two statements.



I'm not sure you even understand what an ad hominem is.



Given previous interactions with you, I know for a fact that you are far less intelligent than Aemmyjah and 90% of the users here so I don't rate your contributions in the slightest.



If it helps you go about your day without anxiety, that's your kettle of fish.

I dropped 4 points
You did not drop anything
Keep blowing hot

cornelboy:

As if the parents gave birth to their children in their own power. No be person wey design them then go give praise to? The fact that jaephoenix is here today is the product of the intelligence of the designer.

Atheist are like a poor man who went home one day and found billions of dollars in his room. He also saw an address. Instead of looking for the address of his helper and show is gratitude, he was spending the money lavishly and even made people believe that the money came from his hard work lol

If they believe life and everything came by chance of course they can believe anything just to negate God.

Don't mind him
Atheism is his religion and he's blindly trying to teach

Thorrn:


Interesting accusation. Let's examine it, shall we?

1. The argument is about the existence of God/s.

2. OP has to provide evidence/s to justify the existence of God/s.

3. OP presented the Bible as proof that his god exists.

4. Unfortunately, the Bible does not qualify as proof because the Bible already presupposes the existence of God, and is therefore flawed. It's like using the Harry Potter novels to prove the existence of Dementors.

You missed his first evidence which is a fact that outside the bible which is

"1) The existence of an orderly universe containing life points to a Creator."

So narrowing your argument down to biblical evidence distracted you from the argument which is "Existence of God" as you said.

Thorrn:

You're wrong as usual.

It would have been an appeal to authority if I had said "Your argument is wrong because budaatum said so".

What I said was "Your argument is wrong because of X, which budaatum already pointed out

I don't expect you to note the difference between those two statements.

Your words sink you.
"Budaatum has amply demonstrated this fact to you".

Meaning, you did not do the demonstration but you relied on budaatum as your authority, hence appeal to budaatum as your authority.

Thorrn:

I'm not sure you even understand what an ad hominem is.

I am sure you don't know it else you wouldn't have raised it up for clearly you abandoned the argument and started angrily attacking his person saying

"because you are thicker than two short wet planks. Your pastors have done a good job locking up your brain cells and throwing away the keys. You cannot fathom simple facts or even common knowledge outside the confines of your religion.

Plus, you've completely lost your mind if you think any of the sad litters of trash you've posted so far constitute "fact". You wouldn't know FACT if it ran you down ten times with a packed molue along your street. I already suspected you were a blundering dimwit

So, is it not him you were attacking rather than the argument "Existence of God"?

Thorrn:

Given previous interactions with you, I know for a fact that you are far less intelligent than Aemmyjah and 90% of the users here so I don't rate your contributions in the slightest...

And here you are ad homineming me.

All Because you are not able to argue.

Thanks anyway for showing you atheists can't argue that the only thing you guys do is commit fallacies and insult/attack the person rather than the argument.

jaephoenix:

Understanding analogies is a big challenge for you. And you say you're a lawyer?

See an ibecile morron trying read and you say you are a doctor?

jaephoenix:

Well, ignorance is a big disease then. You agree

Only mad people like you think to solve a non existent problems.

jaephoenix:

Which argument is over? I have been telling you this exact thing but you're too dense to read and understand

Says the contradicting fool who did real eyes that the argument was over after contradicting himself.

Aemmyjah:



You keep saying there's evidence without providing one
If your intelligence came because a storm happened in your brain
Fine

Look for the evidence

Aemmyjah:




God did not pop out of anywhere
How will a mortal man like you understand that concept?


Evolution is not staring at me cos it's a lie
Only a fool will believe that order came by chaos
The designs in the natural world had no designer
An hippo (herbivore and fresh water animal) evolved from a shark (Carnivore and salt water animal)
Language came from grunts of brute beasts

1. So where did Yahweh show up from? My anus? Of course you ll say I won't understand because you have no explanation for where he popped up from
2. Again, you have a shockingly poor grasp of revolution. Yet you claim to be a biologist. Nothing concern evolution with origin of the earth or mankind. It only deals with the progressive changes in animals and humans. I have told you this at least 3 times in this thread alone but somehow your brain continues to leak information
3. A rough evolutionary lineage of the hippo can thus be traced from Eocene and Oligocene species: from Anthracotherium and Elomeryx to the Miocene species Merycopotamus and Libycosaurus and finally the very latest anthracotheres in the Pliocene. Hippos and whales(not sharks ,as your ignorantly stated) may look different in many ways, but they are actually each others’ closest living relatives—sharing a common ancestor that lived about 55 million years ago.They also share characteristics that are odd for most mammals, including smooth, nearly hairless skin that lacks glands that produce an oily substance called sebum that lubricates skin and hair for most land mammals. So nowhere is it recorded that hippos came from sharks or even whales.
Like I say, go back to high school and learn evolution. You don't even have the most basic knowledge about it

Aemmyjah:



Who created babies?
Or the organs and system and mechanism involved in childbirth?
Fake doctor has never heard that the process itself is sometimes called a miracle
If you cannot believe that a child born by incubation that all the process is by accident and no one involved, is it the more complex and natural one you will dispute?
Olodo
What you say is staring at me is something you'll later say yiu don't know

1. Babies are fused from eggs and sperms. No one created them. They are spontaneous processes. Just like mixing oxygen and hydrogen gives rise to water.
2. Childbirth follows the same route. The hormones involved are all in the woman's body and the interplay leads to uterine contractions etc. Sometimes the hormone levels for parturition aren't enough and we have to intervene either by induction or augmentation of labor, assisted delivery via forceps, ventouse, or abdominal delivery. This interventions by we doctors show that the forces of labor aren't divine like you stupidly assume. And no, we don't call childbirth miracles. In fact, my gyne professor back in med school says labor is quite an easy process.
I dont even understand by this gibberish
If you cannot believe that a child born by incubation that all the process is by accident and no one involved, is it the more complex and natural one you will dispute?
I dont believe an in vitro fetus comes by accident. Please show me where I said so.

jaephoenix:

1. Babies are fused from eggs and sperms. No one created them. They are spontaneous processes. Just like mixing oxygen and hydrogen gives rise to water.
2. Childbirth follows the same route. The hormones involved are all in the woman's body and the interplay leads to uterine contractions etc. Sometimes the hormone levels for parturition aren't enough and we have to intervene either by induction or augmentation of labor, assisted delivery via forceps, ventouse, or abdominal delivery. This interventions by we doctors show that the forces of labor aren't divine like you stupidly assume. And no, we don't call childbirth miracles. In fact, my gyne professor back in med school says labor is quite an easy process.
I dont even understand by this gibberish
If you cannot believe that a child born by incubation that all the process is by accident and no one involved, is it the more complex and natural one you will dispute?
I dont believe an in vitro fetus comes by accident. Please show me where I said so.

All the process leading to the formation of zygote and childbirth is product of mere chance?
You should be preaching to those people that wear rags on the streets. You and them are same flock

Your gyne doctor said?
Why not ask women around you and your wife if it's easy

jaephoenix:

1. So where did Yahweh show up from? My anus? Of course you ll say I won't understand because you have no explanation for where he popped up from
2. Again, you have a shockingly poor grasp of revolution. Yet you claim to be a biologist. Nothing concern evolution with origin of the earth or mankind. It only deals with the progressive changes in animals and humans. I have told you this at least 3 times in this thread alone but somehow your brain continues to leak information
3. A rough evolutionary lineage of the hippo can thus be traced from Eocene and Oligocene species: from Anthracotherium and Elomeryx to the Miocene species Merycopotamus and Libycosaurus and finally the very latest anthracotheres in the Pliocene. Hippos and whales(not sharks ,as your ignorantly stated) may look different in many ways, but they are actually each others’ closest living relatives—sharing a common ancestor that lived about 55 million years ago.They also share characteristics that are odd for most mammals, including smooth, nearly hairless skin that lacks glands that produce an oily substance called sebum that lubricates skin and hair for most land mammals. So nowhere is it recorded that hippos came from sharks or even whales.
Like I say, go back to high school and learn evolution. You don't even have the most basic knowledge about it

1. Hold on to your beliefs that everything in the universe came by chaos since that is what makes sense to you.


2. Where did the apes came from?
If they are your ancestors? Why is your intelligence far higher than them
Why don't they speak like you do since they have everything that man has to enable them speak

3. Fact or fiction?

Aemmyjah:



You don't understand the function of something means it came by accident?

If there is something science does not understand, it may postulate or theorize about the subject, eventually arriving at a conclusion(or law) . Sometimes it doesn't arrive at a conclusion, like the origin of DNA. Sticking your god into this inconclusive argument or knowledge gap is anti-science. If science does that, then the whole essence of itself is defeated. Science came about to know natural phenomena. And knowing it means studying it. If it can't know it, it gives theories and waits.
Big Bang is one of such theories . Some scientists debate it. Some accept. But if there is unassailable evidence, then they all accept it.
And I never said DNA came by accident. Thank you.
By the way, I suggest you improve your comprehension skills. You are very poor at it. Not trying to diss you or anything. Its to make our debates a bit less tedious for me