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Re: Pastor Jimmy Odukoya Raised Funds During Service To Help Some Of His Members(vid by blueAgent(m): 8:11pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
NameInUse How can it please God, the same God that told us to be different from the world and its taste for worldy things or the same God that told us to be modest in dressing and appearance. Romans 12:2 ESV / 53 helpful votes Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect. 1 Peter 3:3-5 ESV / 41 helpful votes Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, Stop letting your emotions, becloud your sense of judgement, God cannot be mocked. |
Re: Pastor Jimmy Odukoya Raised Funds During Service To Help Some Of His Members(vid by NameInUse(f): 12:46am On Dec 02, 2023 |
blueAgent: Thank you for these verses you just quoted. I have come to the fact that people quote the Bible without better understanding of the context nor the pretext and the text after the verse you choose or decide to digest on. Quote the exact place in the Bible that says dreadlock is a sin or where it says how exactly one should dress! According to your 2nd quote, i would like to ask if your clothings has been internal. Have you not been wearing cloths? Are you bald at the moment?? If you really understand that passage you will know God wasn't talking about the literal meaning of adornment but to have a pleasing and holy spirit and wives be submissive etc.. Besides how do you know his act does not please God Did God tell you that Himself?? Is there a certain way Christians should dress?? Like i said modesty and moderation should be Christians template for dressing, fellowship with God and love others etc Do not disqualify others for God! He knows how to handle everyone - of course He created us! Ire o! |
Re: Pastor Jimmy Odukoya Raised Funds During Service To Help Some Of His Members(vid by blueAgent(m): 6:18pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
NameInUse: You keep making excuses. Just note. God cannot be not mocked |
Re: Pastor Jimmy Odukoya Raised Funds During Service To Help Some Of His Members(vid by NameInUse(f): 9:00pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
blueAgent: Also note do not disqualify people for God..it's not in anyone's place to do that. Let everyone focus on their faiths. |
Re: Pastor Jimmy Odukoya Raised Funds During Service To Help Some Of His Members(vid by blueAgent(m): 9:26pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
NameInUse: Story. God has already made his standard clear, there is no doubt or beating about the Bush about it. |
Re: Pastor Jimmy Odukoya Raised Funds During Service To Help Some Of His Members(vid by NameInUse(f): 8:17pm On Dec 03, 2023 |
blueAgent: Exactly! So let him or anyone follow the standard God has made clear. Follow your own and don't judge others that are not following yours. |
Re: Pastor Jimmy Odukoya Raised Funds During Service To Help Some Of His Members(vid by blueAgent(m): 12:50am On Dec 04, 2023 |
NameInUse: Why do you think God gave us standards? The purpose is to correct those who are going astray. Galatians 6:1-6 1 Brothers and sisters, if someone is caught in a sin, you who live by the Spirit should restore that person gently. But watch yourselves, or you also may be tempted. 2 Carry each other’s burdens, and in this way you will fulfill the law of Christ. 3 If anyone thinks they are something when they are not, they deceive themselves. 4 Each one should test their own actions. Then they can take pride in themselves alone, without comparing themselves to someone else, 5 for each one should carry their own load. 6 Nevertheless, the one who receives instruction in the word should share all good things with their instructor. Many people cite Matthew 7:1 about not judging others, but they never bother to read down to verse 6, where Jesus says, “Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine….” He was talking about people who are dogs and swine! To obey verse 6, you must make some judgmental decisions about the person’s character! “That guy is a dog! That guy is a swine!” Also, if you keep reading (Matt. 7:15 ), Jesus says, “Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.” It takes a discerning sheep to recognize, “That’s not a true sheep! That’s a wolf dressed like a sheep!” It requires judging the man’s teaching as false. We live in times when tolerance, unity, and “love” (which usually means, being nice) are dominant themes in the evangelical church. If you dare to confront or expose sin, or if you label someone’s teaching as unbiblical, or the person as a false teacher, you get accused of being judgmental and unloving. But the Bible is clear that a pastor is being extremely unloving to allow wolves to prey on the flock or to allow sinning believers to infect the flock without confronting and exposing them. Note Romans 16:17-18 : “Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. For such men are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting.” Some would say that it’s okay to expose the false doctrine in general terms, but that you should never specifically name a false teacher. I’ve been criticized and have had people leave the church because I have named men like Norman Vincent Peale or Robert Schuller as false teachers. But in 1 Timothy 1:19 , Paul mentions that some have rejected faith and a good conscience, “and suffered shipwreck in regard to their faith.” He doesn’t leave it there, but goes on (1:20), “Among these are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have handed over to Satan, so that they will be taught not to blaspheme.” In 2 Timothy 2:17 , he names Hymenaeus and Philetus, adding (2:18), “men who have gone astray from the truth saying that the resurrection has already taken place, and they upset the faith of some.” In 2 Timothy 4:10 , Paul tells Timothy, “Demas, having loved this present world, has deserted me….” In verse 14, he warns Timothy about “Alexander the coppersmith,” who did Paul much harm. In 3 John 9-10 , the apostle of love warns the flock about “Diotrephes, who loves to be first among them,” but “does not accept what we say.” Paul names two quarreling ladies, Euodia and Syntyche, urging them “to live in harmony in the Lord” (Phil. 4:2 ). He pointedly tells the church in Colossae, “Say to Archippus, ‘Take heed to your ministry’” (Col. 4:17 ). He named names! The apostles were not, in any of these instances, wrongly judging others. So we must conclude that it is not judging someone to exercise discernment about ungodly behavior or false teaching. (2). IT IS NOT JUDGING SOMEONE TO SPEAK TO HIM (AND, IF NECESSARY, TO OTHERS) ABOUT SIN OR FALSE TEACHING. I’ve heard people say, “I could never confront anyone about their sin, because we’re not supposed to judge others. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone!” But this is to dodge a difficult, but loving, responsibility. If you see your child about to run in front of a speeding car, you would do everything in your power to warn him. If you see a brother in Christ about to ruin his life by sin or by believing false, damnable doctrine, love should motivate you to do everything possible to warn him. In our text, James was not being judgmental by confronting this sin in the church. In James 5:19-20 , he states, “My brethren, if any among you strays from the truth and one turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sins.” On a personal level, such confrontation is the responsibility of every spiritual believer (Gal. 6:1 ). It should begin in private, unless the sin is public to start with (Gal. 2:11-14 ; 1 Cor. 5:1-13 ). If the sinning person does not listen to you, then take another mature believer with you, or involve someone else who can try to minister to the sinning person. If he still refuses to listen, it may be necessary to tell it to the entire church and to remove the person from the fellowship (Matt. 18:15-18 ). |
Re: Pastor Jimmy Odukoya Raised Funds During Service To Help Some Of His Members(vid by NameInUse(f): 8:32am On Dec 04, 2023 |
blueAgent: Trust me i am not reading all of these. Go back, read for me and bold where it says dreadlock is a sin. You believe your outward appearance is OK for God which is fine and same with others. Until you are ready to quote scriptures where the above is stated then we can begin our Bible study until then enough said! It's Monday morning. |
Re: Pastor Jimmy Odukoya Raised Funds During Service To Help Some Of His Members(vid by blueAgent(m): 10:03am On Dec 04, 2023 |
NameInUse: Its obvious you are, one of the gullible fellows that are easily brainwashed. False teachings are the reason while we have false pastors like the Rev King, who burnt his members. Or the ones that feed there members with reptiles and all sort of rubbish. Once a so called Man of God ,dresses and acts like the world you don't need any soothsayer or bible verse to tell you he is a false prophet. Mind you the bible instructs us to Judge in accordance to God's word and truth. Am not a pastor, neither am a born again christain. But I hate deceit, how someone would still live and act like the worldy ppl and still claim to be a Man of God, is annoying and a slap to our sense of reasoning. If a woman of God, dresses like a harlots would feel she is representing God's image or office well? |
Re: Pastor Jimmy Odukoya Raised Funds During Service To Help Some Of His Members(vid by NameInUse(f): 5:17pm On Dec 04, 2023 |
blueAgent: Worldly because he has dreads Oyinbo pastors get tattoo,wear shorts etc and they are fireeee on the alter. We honestly need to change our orientation and stop being an hypocrite. Remember In all of my quotes i mentioned modesty and moderation in everything especially dressing to Christians. NO ONE can dictate what or how to dress to me so far I am not making anyone fall through my dressing. To see the kingdom of God goes beyond the dreads on your head nor the earrings you use. There are verses in the bible that says God Himself adorned us with Gold and we look like His bride, are there not people in the Bible with dreads?.....it is needless to go deep into that as i am getting bored already with this conversation. On this note, I rest my case. |
Re: Pastor Jimmy Odukoya Raised Funds During Service To Help Some Of His Members(vid by blueAgent(m): 7:00pm On Dec 04, 2023 |
NameInUse: Do you know that the Bible describes Jesus as not good looking physically? Isaiah 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him. So tell me what would motivate, a so called Man of God to do dreads,make Tattoo and wear earrings. What is he trying to achieve with that? Ppl would frown if a president of a country dresses that way, how much more one ,who is representing a higher authority. |
Re: Pastor Jimmy Odukoya Raised Funds During Service To Help Some Of His Members(vid by NameInUse(f): 9:25pm On Dec 04, 2023 |
blueAgent: Guy! You need to change your OT. Some things are just morally right/wrong and not biblically right/wrong. Choose your path and i hope you find peace with it. I will no longer respond because it's obvious your understanding is somewhat and besides this conversation is getting really boring and lengthy. God bless you! |
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