MaxInDHouse:

Birthday celebration is not purely secular!

I'm from a religiously divided family, some are real Traditionalists, some claim Christians and others are Muslims. The Traditionalists in my family are deeply rooted in it so i learned a lot from them. Traditionalists use their birthdays to celebrate themselves so most of them often do something to be commemorated annually when they're no more.
The Israelites don't do anything as such when it comes to birthday celebrations they just don't think of it as most servants of God among them were INSPIRED to write bad things about birthdays! Job 3:3; Ecclesiastes 7:1; Jeremiah 20:14

Jesus Christ commanded his friends to remember the date he died not his birthday.

That's the HERITAGE of God's people: JEHOVAH'S PEOPLE! Isaiah 54:17b

I dont know your area very well. Here, birthdays are largely a secular occasion.

But if I may ask, what do you understand by the phrase, religious occasion?

oteneaaron:


Do you know that the Madrid High Court in a ruling recently called your organization a "sect or cult"?

This is from a press release about the judgment:

That report by Avoidjw website seem to be false. I stand corrected. Bitterwinter.org shows that the Association of Victims of JW lost that suit with a fine imposed on them. I don't believe that report.

Jehovah's witnesses should be seen a control group, not a destructive cult. They have a form of control, but it's wrong to see them as destructive cult. They just have a different view of things. No matter how odd, it is still their own worldview.

Kobojunkie:
Try to keep up please! X

You are the one who has deflected .

I replied to your comment about not understanding how it is possible to sit within a box and still think outside it . I said it is possible and explained . That was it .

So, how those the below concern me , and how does it show not able to think outside the box ?

Op stated that he strongly opposes one thr major views of the organization, a view that directly impacts the development of the youths in the group which he remains a supported of. I liken this to one who proclaims with his tongue to be an atheist all the while attending Christian religious services every other week or similar. What is the point of one action when the other supports the very opposite of what one claims?

So what do you want to do now?

Arrest him for explaining the way he tries to deal with some of the teachings of his group leaders he doesnt agree with ?

You want him to be a zombie who swallows everything he is told without questioning it even when it's not to his best interest .

Unless you are a member of the governing body of the JW or an extremist JW ,both who will certainly frown at his behaviour , there's absolutely nothing wrong with how he is living is life within the group .

His behaviour doesn't even affect you in any way . Just take it easy and don't take Panadol for another's headache .

triplechoice:
■ You are the one who has deflected. I replied to your comment about not understanding how it is possible to sit within a box and still think outside it . I said it is possible and explained . That was it . So, how those the below concern me , and how does it show not able to think outside the box ?
■ So what do you want to do now? Arrest him for explaining the way he tries to deal with some of the teachings of his group leaders he doesnt agree with ? You want him to be a zombie who swallows everything he is told without questioning it even when it's not to his best interest . Unless you are a member of the governing body of the JW or an extremist JW ,both who will certainly frown at his behaviour , there's absolutely nothing wrong with how he is living is life within the group . His behaviour doesn't even affect you in any way . Just take it easy and don't take Panadol for another's headache.

1. Again, work on keeping up instead. The one comment was connected to the previous one.

2. Am I not allowed to make my thoughts known on what the other revealed? Why is it another person's headache when the opinion I expressed was directed at the person I was in the conversation with abeg?

I am not concerned whether he is JW or not. I am not here to enter into one of your many meaningless back and forth with them. I was simply on the subject of cults and the mindset of those in them.

Sand2022:

I dont know your area very well. Here, birthdays are largely a secular occasion. But if I may ask, what do you understand by the phrase, religious occasion?

I know where you're driving at so don't let anyone deceive 99% of what people celebrate today emanates from religious beliefs.
Nobody thinks of the day a child was born after the mother delivered safely, they celebrate only the additional member of the family unlike slaves bought with money they believe the deities has blessed them.
So it's when the child grows and begin seeing himself as a demigod that he or she feel like celebrating the day he or she came to this place. God's people believe we were born like all other creatures not that we came from somewhere to this planet but people celebrating their birth believe they came from somewhere so they continue celebrating their entry until their exit when they won't be alive to celebrate it again.

As for religious occasions go to any country today you will see people who don't even believe in the Bible celebrating Christmas as if it's just a common secular occasion whereas children singing carols will not forgive those who passed the celebration to them when they finally discovered that most people that join them in the celebration don't even believe Jesus ever walked this planet.

WHY?

Because the date of his birth was never mentioned neither did any servant of God in Israel celebrated birthday.

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, work on keeping up instead. The one comment was connected to the previous one.

No connection at all . You didn't directly respond to what I explained initially. You went off on a tangent instead

2. Am I not allowed to make my thoughts known on what the other revealed? Why is it another person's headache when the opinion I expressed was directed at the person I was in the conversation with abeg?

Am I not allowed to respond to your comments on this board ?

You can freely respond to those of others but don't like it when another person respond to yours . Abi?

I only commented on the thinking outside the box comment of yours . You should have critically reacted to that instead of reacting emotionally to it.

I am not concerned whether he is JW or not. I am not here to enter into one of your many meaningless back and forth with them. I was simply on the subject of cults and the mindset of those in them.

You have mistaken me for another person. .

Who has been having "a meaningless back and forth with them ? I should be saying that of you instead .

Please next time edit your response before hitting the submit button .

triplechoice:
No connection at all . You didn't directly respond to what I explained initially. You went off on a tangent instead Am I not allowed to respond to your comments on this board ? You can freely respond to those of others but don't like it when another person respond to yours . Abi? I only commented on the thinking outside the box comment of yours . You should have critically reacted to that instead of reacting emotionally to it.You have mistaken me for another person.Who has been having "a meaningless back and forth with them? I should be saying that of you instead .Please next time edit your response before hitting the submit button .

OK

Sand2022:

Jehovah's witnesses should be seen a control group, not a destructive cult. They have a form of control, but it's wrong to see them as destructive cult. They just have a different view of things. No matter how odd, it is still their own worldview.

The highlighted is where most people got things wrong when talking about Jehovah's Witnesses. The organization is not about control of the life of members rather it's about how a disciple could be fully competent and completely equiped as a preacher and teacher of God's word.
So as one of Jehovah's Witnesses the control the organization has over me is how seriously i take the disciple making work Jesus assigned to all his disciples.
I must be up and doing in this regard and never should i allow anything to take away this privilege from me.
Apart from that wiskid, Davido, Olamide, Kizz Daniel, Aṣake songs doesn't make me an unbeliever. I only need to watch out for those around me who may have a totally wrong opinion about me for enjoying secular music.

Sand2022:


That report by Avoidjw website seem to be false. I stand corrected. Bitterwinter.org shows that the Association of Victims of JW lost that suit with a fine imposed on them. I don't believe that report.

Jehovah's witnesses should be seen a control group, not a destructive cult. They have a form of control, but it's wrong to see them as destructive cult. They just have a different view of things. No matter how odd, it is still their own worldview.

The person who writes on Bitter winter site is a Man who writes propaganda pieces in support of Cults, especially controversial Cults. He fights for destructive Cults,for them to be accepted. He has also shown his support for the Church of Satan and has visited their church. You will see pictures of him in their Church and with their members. Everything he writes is just propaganda. He is even a member of a Dracula association. He is an Occultist. So, you need to ask yourself why Watchtower would hire someone like him to write propaganda pieces for them. Birds of the same feather flock together.

And by the way, Jehovah's Witnesses have always been seen as a Cult. One way to know this is by investigating other Cults such as Scientology and Mormons who run similar systems, similar way of control and similar belief systems. There are so many documentaries on cults. Some JWs left by watching a Scientology documentary. Educate yourself and you will see that Everything in these Cults can be found in Jehovah's Witnesses. A man who got swindled to join a South Korean Cult with a very striking similarity with JW found out he was in a Cult when he researched JW. That was how he left his Cult. Why did he pick JW out of all Religions? Because he found out that their beliefs are too similar. So, If something looks like a dog, it is because it is a Dog. Simple. If Jehovah's Witnesses are truly not a Cult, why are they so similar with other Cults including destructive Cults that have led their members to their deaths? Ask yourself that question.

Now, why is Jehovah's Witnesses regarded as a Destructive Cult? Because it's Control over the members destroys normal human relationships which is a huge sign of a Cult. Their beliefs have led some to suicide and unnecessary deaths ( another sign of a Cult). They destroy families and strip the humanity out of their members with their Brainwashing techniques. Their Brainwashing techniques seek to control everything about their members including how they think,how they should feel, who they should associate with, e.t.c. Their brainwashing techniques are similar to other Cults. They are Extremists and this is why they are banned in a good number of Countries apart from Russia and China. And these countries didn't only ban JW. They banned them along with other cults telling you that they could see how destructive they are before taking such an action. They saw JW as a typical dangerous Cult like others around the world.

NowYouKnow:


Before I answer your question, let me admit that I am just as shocked as you are that such cases exist.
However, they are real. I promised to be honest so here are answers to your question.


1. Failure to Report: Some lawsuits claim that the organization failed to report instances of child sexual abuse to the authorities promptly which is true. However, today members are allowed to report to the authorities promptly.

2. Internal Handling of Cases: We Jehovah's Witnesses have an internal judicial system to address wrongdoing within the congregations. Some argue that this internal handling may not prioritize the safety of victims or adequately address the legal implications of the abuse which I agree is true. Today, members are allowed to report to the authorities (police) when it comes to serious issues like child abuse or rape.

3. Two-Witness Rule: The organization had a doctrinal "two-witness rule," requiring two credible witnesses to an event or a confession before taking action. This made it challenging for victims to establish their case within the internal judicial process. Today, such rule has been updated.

4. Alleged Lack of Support for Victims: Some lawsuits claim that the organization did not provide sufficient support for abuse victims, both emotionally and in terms of taking appropriate action against the alleged perpetrators. There are even cases of elders warning or threatening the abused victim and their family not to report to the authorities or else they face discipline. This in my opinion was wrong and totally out of place. The elders on their part were presumptuous and overzealous in their duties. They lacked empathy and compassion for the victims.

5. Cover-up: There are cases in court of elders covering up cases of abuse which eventually lead to the abuse of other innocent congregants.

These are some of the reasons why the organisation faces child abuse cases.

Please note that It was not the intention of the organisation to harbor rapist, pedophiles or child molesters when they had the above rules and policies. Same way it isn't the intention of a family to harbor a member who is a criminal.

Such polices were initially created to prevent a brother or sister from being wrongfully accused of something he or she did not do. However, the poor handling of such cases has led to the governing body paying a huge price which is expected because they are not infallible.

We should also do well to understand that just because some members were jailed for child abuse doesn't mean all witnesses are child abusers.

Also, it is not all child abuse cases that are won in favour of the victim. Sometimes the organisation does win some cases.

Wow!

MaxInDHouse can you see this. Pure unadulterated honesty.

nans24:
■ Wow! MaxInDHouse can you see this. Pure unadulterated honesty.

But what you described is pretty much commonplace across all the various sects within even the religion of Christianity, not just the JW section, so why turn an all too convenient blind eye to all of that?

Kobojunkie:
But what is described pretty much common place across all the various sects within even the religion of Christianity, not just the JW section, so why turn an all too convenient blind eye to all of that?

Do you smoke crack?

nans24:
■ Do you smoke crack?

Since you bring it up, seems you are more familiar with it than I am.

Kobojunkie:
Since you bring it up, seems you are more familiar with it than I am.

If you do stop. You're obviously not well.

nans24:
■ If you do stop. You're obviously not well.

So, you shouldn't stop?

Kobojunkie:
So, you shouldn't stop?

That thing is messing with your head.

nans24:
That thing is messing with your head.

The same thing you are on, right? Are you certain you are not projecting here?

Kobojunkie:
The same thing you are on, right? Are you certain you are not projecting here?

Quit taking it. Mr anti religion.

nans24:
■ Quit taking it. Mr anti religion.

Quit projecting, Mr. Crackhead!

nans24:

Wow!
MaxInDHouse can you see this. Pure unadulterated honesty.

Is he still one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

MaxInDHouse:


Is he still one of Jehovah's Witnesses?

I should be asking you. He sure sounds alot more smart and intelligent than you tho. I will prefer him knocking on my door anytime anyday than a pretender like you.

nans24:

I should be asking you. He sure sounds alot more smart and intelligent than you tho. I will prefer him knocking on my door anytime anyday than a pretender like you.

Good!
So at least JWs can still preach and teach you it's some like me that's your problem shey?
I wonder how the child molestation stories is no longer a problem now?

MaxInDHouse:


Good!
So at least JWs can still preach and teach you it's some like me that's your problem shey?
I wonder how the child molestation stories is no longer a problem now?

Yeah sure they can. As long as they aren't pretentious scumbags like you. As long as they are honest I welcome them anytime anyday.

nans24:

Yeah sure they can. As long as they aren't pretentious scumbags like you. As long as they are honest I welcome them anytime anyday.

The funny thing here is you don't even know the faces of people commenting here all you're after is anyone against MaxInDhouse.

Well Max is nobody so ọmọ study God's word with God's people: Jehovah's Witnesses!

MaxInDHouse:

The funny thing here is you don't even know the faces of people commenting here all you're after is anyone against MaxInDhouse.

Well Max is nobody so ọmọ study God's word with God's people: Jehovah's Witnesses!

No, that's not what is funny. What is funny is you calling your fellow brother an apostate for speaking honest facts about your organisation. Facts you tried tooth and nail to hide and deny. I don't need to see his face. His write-up shows the kind of person he is.

nans24:

No, that's not what is funny. What is funny is you calling your fellow brother an apostate for speaking honest facts about your organisation. Facts you tried tooth and nail to hide and deny. I don't need to see his face. His write-up shows the kind of person he is.

So what Peter didn't tell you Paul has finally told you shey?
At least you now agree that the organization is not as bad as you formally think, that's enough for me!

Kobojunkie:
Since you bring it up, seems you are more familiar with it than I am.

MaxInDHouse:

The funny thing here is you don't even know the faces of people commenting here all you're after is anyone against MaxInDhouse.

Well Max is nobody so ọmọ study God's word with God's people: Jehovah's Witnesses!

HYPOCRITE your 100,000 post here don't have a face attached to it and your madness and insanities peddling brains will want those reading and responding to accept it as truth yet you denigrate and instantly berate the post of another without a face simply because it does not sit well with your lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains

NowYouKnow:

Oh so now I am the apostate because I choose to explain with facts rather than spit insult all over the place...right?
Please do me a favour and get out of this thread.

Someone telling others to get out of his thread but going to threads set up by the same person he wants to avoid:

NowYouKnow:

I can see you have succeeded in conducting meaningful Bible studies on this platform by having meaningless arguments and back & forth insults with people who have no regard for the Bible. When next you give a comment in your kingdom hall be bold enough to tell the brothers and sisters there what you do here. If you can't do that then it is crystal clear that you are not a member of Jehovah's witnesses. You are a devilish pretender and you are ten times worse than the apostates in this forum.

Is that not hilarious?