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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 9:36pm On Feb 02
NairaLTQ:



I am learning all these for the first time from Pastor Expanse2020 (the Taqqiya Pastor)

Can you please provide bible verses supporting all these? ( I will surely be grateful)

[/i]
Different narrative from John,Luke,Mattew, mark

John 20:1-8
The Resurrection of Jesus
20 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb. MARRY ONLY AND THE THOMB HAS BEEN OPEN 2 So she ran and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.” 3 Then Peter and the other disciple set out and went toward the tomb. 4 The two were running together, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5 He bent down to look in and saw the linen wrappings lying there, but he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen wrappings lying there, 7 and the cloth that had been on Jesus’s head, not lying with the linen wrappings but rolled up in a place by itself. 8 Then the other disciple, who reached the tomb first, also went in, and he saw and believed, 9 for as yet they did not understand the scripture, that he must rise from the dead. 10 Then the disciples returned to their homes.

Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene
11 But Mary stood weeping outside the tomb . As she wept, she bent over to look[a] into the tomb, 12 and she saw two angels in white sitting where the body of Jesus had been lying, one at the head and the other at the feet. 13 They said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?” She said to them, “They have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid him.” 14 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not know that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” Supposing him to be the gardener, she said to him, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” 16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to him in Hebrew,[c] “Rabbouni!” (which means Teacher). 17 Jesus said to her, “Do not touch me, because I have not yet ascended to the Father. [b]But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ” [/b]18 Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and she told them that he had said these things to her.
PLEASE WHERE DID PETER AND OTHERS DISERPEAR IN A BLINK OF AN EYE

[b]Bros Mattew 😂

The Resurrection of Jesus
28 After the Sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. 2 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord, descending from heaven, EARTHQUAKE
REALLY 🤣🤣 came and rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning and his clothing white as snow. 4 For fear of him the guards shook and became like dead men. 5 But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here, for he has been raised, as he said. Come, see the place where he[a] lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples, ‘He has been raised from the dead, and indeed he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him.’ This is my message for you.” 8 So they left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy and ran to tell his disciples. 9[b] Suddenly Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came to him, took hold of his feet, and worshiped him. 10 Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid; go and tell my brothers and sisters to go to Galilee; there they will see me.”
🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

MR MARK GBEMIDEBE
16 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. 2 And very early on the first day of the week[b], when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb[/b]. 3 They had been saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance to the tomb?” 4 When they looked up, they saw that the stone(THEY DIDN'T SEE ANY ANGEL), which was very large, had already been rolled back. 5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed. 6 But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed; you are looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has been raised; he is not here(JE (WAS NOT AT THE THOMB OR VICINITY) 😂😂🤣. Look, there is the place they laid him(WHER😂😂E). 7 (WHO IS TALKING PLEASE 🤣🤣🤣)But go, tell his disciples and (WHICH PETER, THE ONE THAT FOLLOW MARY BEFORE 🤣🤣) Peter that he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him, just as he told you.” 8 So they went out and fled from the tomb, for terror and amazement had seized them, and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.[a]

BROS LUKE COME ANT TELL US THE TRUTH JARE
The Resurrection of Jesus
24 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices that they had prepared. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they went in they did not find the body.[a] 4 While they were perplexed about this, suddenly[b] two men in dazzling clothes stood beside them[/b] (I KNOW U WILL SAY THE TRUTH 😂😂😂NOT ANGEL). 5 The women[b] were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground,[b] but the men[c] said to the[/b]m, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here but has risen.[d] 6 Remember how he told you, while he was still in Galilee, 7 that the Son of Man must be handed over to the hands of sinners and be crucified and on the third day rise again.” 8 Then they remembered his words, 9 and returning from the tomb they told all this to the eleven and to all the rest. 10 Now it was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But these words seemed to them an idle tale, and they did not believe them. 12 But Peter got up and ran to the tomb; stooping and looking in, he saw the linen cloths by themselves; then he went home, amazed at

Thank you so for the clarity UNCLES

THAT IS WHAT THEY CALLED CONCRETE EVIDENCE IN THE FALLACY BOOK
😂😂🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯💯
PATIENTLY WAITING FOR YOU TO DEBUNK IT

DID THEY ACTUALLY SEE THE JESUS AT RESURRECTION EVEN ON THE THOMB
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 10:32pm On Feb 02
AuthorMan:


Its not everyone that is stupid like your father. Stop talking people for your dad.

Read the Bible and you will see where the Bible says Peter followed him from afar.

On the cross at the verge of giving up the ghost again, Jesus said to one of the desciples that was close to his mother "Son look after your mother, mother look after your son"

The next time you compare me with your senseless father I will deal with you ruthlessly.

Lunatic
God punish Your father generation and Your own Generation join...
Na me wrote the bible Abi no be bible talk am

55 In that hour Jesus said to the crowd, “Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me. 56 But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.

Your real father
LUNATIC
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by NairaLTQ: 10:35pm On Feb 02
Expanse2020:

Different narrative from John,Luke,Mattew, mark

John 20:1-8
The Resurrection of Jesus
20 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb. MARRY ONLY AND THE THOMB HAS BEEN OPEN 2 So she ran and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.” 3 Then Peter and the other disciple set out and went toward the tomb. 4 The two were running together, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5 He bent down to look in and saw the linen wrappings lying there, but he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen wrappings lying there, 7 and the cloth that had been on Jesus’s head, not lying with the linen wrappings but rolled up in a place by itself. 8 Then the other disciple, who reached the tomb first, also went in, and he saw and believed, 9 for as yet they did not understand the scripture, that he must rise from the dead. 10 Then the disciples returned to their homes.

Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene
11 But Mary stood weeping outside the tomb . As she wept, she bent over to look[a] into the tomb, 12 and she saw two angels in white sitting where the body of Jesus had been lying, one at the head and the other at the feet. 13 They said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?” She said to them, “They have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid him.” 14 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not know that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” Supposing him to be the gardener, she said to him, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” 16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to him in Hebrew,[c] “Rabbouni!” (which means Teacher). 17 Jesus said to her, “Do not touch me, because I have not yet ascended to the Father. [b]But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ” [/b]18 Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and she told them that he had said these things to her.
PLEASE WHERE DID PETER AND OTHERS DISERPEAR IN A BLINK OF AN EYE

[b]Bros Mattew 😂

The Resurrection of Jesus
28 After the Sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. 2 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord, descending from heaven, EARTHQUAKE
REALLY 🤣🤣 came and rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning and his clothing white as snow. 4 For fear of him the guards shook and became like dead men. 5 But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here, for he has been raised, as he said. Come, see the place where he[a] lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples, ‘He has been raised from the dead, and indeed he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him.’ This is my message for you.” 8 So they left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy and ran to tell his disciples. 9[b] Suddenly Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came to him, took hold of his feet, and worshiped him. 10 Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid; go and tell my brothers and sisters to go to Galilee; there they will see me.”
🤣🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

MR MARK GBEMIDEBE
16 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. 2 And very early on the first day of the week[b], when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb[/b]. 3 They had been saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance to the tomb?” 4 When they looked up, they saw that the stone(THEY DIDN'T SEE ANY ANGEL), which was very large, had already been rolled back. 5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed. 6 But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed; you are looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has been raised; he is not here(JE (WAS NOT AT THE THOMB OR VICINITY) 😂😂🤣. Look, there is the place they laid him(WHER😂😂E). 7 (WHO IS TALKING PLEASE 🤣🤣🤣)But go, tell his disciples and (WHICH PETER, THE ONE THAT FOLLOW MARY BEFORE 🤣🤣) Peter that he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him, just as he told you.” 8 So they went out and fled from the tomb, for terror and amazement had seized them, and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.[a]

BROS LUKE COME ANT TELL US THE TRUTH JARE
The Resurrection of Jesus
24 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices that they had prepared. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they went in they did not find the body.[a] 4 While they were perplexed about this, suddenly[b] two men in dazzling clothes stood beside them[/b] (I KNOW U WILL SAY THE TRUTH 😂😂😂NOT ANGEL). 5 The women[b] were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground,[b] but the men[c] said to the[/b]m, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here but has risen.[d] 6 Remember how he told you, while he was still in Galilee, 7 that the Son of Man must be handed over to the hands of sinners and be crucified and on the third day rise again.” 8 Then they remembered his words, 9 and returning from the tomb they told all this to the eleven and to all the rest. 10 Now it was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But these words seemed to them an idle tale, and they did not believe them. 12 But Peter got up and ran to the tomb; stooping and looking in, he saw the linen cloths by themselves; then he went home, amazed at

Thank you so for the clarity UNCLES

THAT IS WHAT THEY CALLED CONCRETE EVIDENCE IN THE FALLACY BOOK
😂😂🤣😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣💯💯
PATIENTLY WAITING FOR YOU TO DEBUNK IT

DID THEY ACTUALLY SEE THE JESUS AT RESURRECTION EVEN ON THE THOMB
You are writing gibberish!

You made some claims, now, one by one, state your claim AND the supporting verse.
Is that difficult?

Start over, one claim at a time!

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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 10:43pm On Feb 02
NairaLTQ:

Let me help you with another evidence


Musnad Ahmad 656
It was narrated that `Ubaidullah bin ‘Iyad bin `Amr al-Qari said:
`Abdullah bin Shaddad came and entered upon `A`ishah (رضي الله عنها) when we were sitting with her, as he was returning from Iraq during the time when ‘Ali (رضي الله عنه) was murdered....... .
But Suhail bin `Amr came to us when we were with the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) at al-Hudaibiyah, when he made a peace deal with Quraish, and the Messenger of Allah wrote, `In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.`
Suhail said: Do not write, In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful. He said: What should we write? He said: Write: `In Your Name, O Allah.”

IF YOU TOO ARE WISE MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.) WILL NOT ASKED THE PERSON TO WRITE
`Muhammad the Messenger of Allah.`...... If he can write on his own 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
SMH

The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: Write `Muhammad the Messenger of Allah.`......



Instead of you being thankful that I am showing you the truth, you are angry!

If I were you, I will go and meet my Islamic scholars to ask why they lied to Muslims about the literacy of your prophet Mohammed!
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 10:45pm On Feb 02
NairaLTQ:

You are writing gibberish!

You made some claims, now, one by one, state your claim AND the supporting verse.
Is that difficult?

Start over, one claim at a time!
You a fool
ready it carefully if you spot any lie challenge me..
Am not like you that twisted book... Direct verses from your falacy book
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 10:51pm On Feb 02
NairaLTQ:

Its easy to catch a chronic liar: provide your evidence for each claim!

John 19:14 On the six hours🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Mark 15:25 on the 3rd hours
Who is lying now

John 19:16 Jesus was crucified 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Act 5;30 he was hanged 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wahala wahala wahala

Or am I lying

Nothing peter eye no go see finish for Jesus thombs
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by AuthorMan: 10:57pm On Feb 02
Expanse2020:

God punish Your father generation and Your own Generation join...
Na me wrote the bible Abi no be bible talk am

55 In that hour Jesus said to the crowd, “Am I leading a rebellion, that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I sat in the temple courts teaching, and you did not arrest me. 56 But this has all taken place that the writings of the prophets might be fulfilled.” Then all the disciples deserted him and fled.

Your real father
LUNATIC


You go weep tire.

Mental Patient grin

I know you are a drop out because the same way you rushed to go and pick Bible verse to justify your inherited madness must have been the way you answered questions in exams.
Olodo!
Asinwin Omo eran grin

The verse you quote is 56 of Mathew 26
You should have read further if you were okay mentally.

58 says;

But Peter followed him afar off unto the high priest's palace, and went in, and sat with the servants, to see the end.
Matthew:26:58


I pray for your unborn kids.

They will never inherit the curse you have inherited from your parents.

Say Amen!

Oponu
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by NairaLTQ: 11:05pm On Feb 02
Expanse2020:


John 19:14 On the six hours🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Mark 15:25 on the 3rd hours
Who is lying now

John 19:16 Jesus was crucified 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Act 5;30 he was hanged 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wahala wahala wahala

Or am I lying

Nothing peter eye no go see finish for Jesus thombs
The most stupid conjectures. Why did you not post exactly the verses. And we compare the errors.?

What exactly happened at the sixth hour?
What exactly happened at the third hour?

A crucified person is hanged with nails on his hands and feet : is this untrue?
They don't crucify anyone with ropes on the neck sir.

Khai!

So that you will get sense
Verses before Acts5:30 clarifying your royal dumbness
Acts 2:23: "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:"

Acts 2:36: "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made the same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

Acts 4:10: "Be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him does this man stand here before you whole."



I am still waiting for you to show me in whose presence Jesus was taken to heaven!
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by NairaLTQ: 11:06pm On Feb 02
Expanse2020:

You a fool
ready it carefully if you spot any lie challenge me..
Am not like you that twisted book... Direct verses from your falacy book
I am waiting :

Instead of closing your eyes in shame that your Allah is full of scientific and historical blunders impossible for God to make
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by NairaLTQ: 11:09pm On Feb 02
[quote author=Expanse2020 post=128260517][/quote]

Is the prophet of Islam able to read and write?

Inductrinated Muslims will still say no even though they've been shown Evidences from their own books.

Why were your scholars lying about Mohammed's literacy?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 11:31pm On Feb 02
NairaLTQ:

The most stupid conjectures. Why did you not post exactly the verses. And we compare the errors.?

What exactly happened at the sixth hour?
What exactly happened at the third hour?

A crucified person is hanged with nails on his hands and feet : is this untrue?
They don't crucify anyone with ropes on the neck sir.

Khai!

So that you will get sense
Verses before Acts5:30 clarifying your royal dumbness
Acts 2:23: "Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, you have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:"

Acts 2:36: "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God has made the same Jesus, whom you have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

Acts 4:10: "Be it known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him does this man stand here before you whole."



I am still waiting for you to show me in whose presence Jesus was taken to heaven!


John 19:14 On the six hours
John 19:16 Jesus was crucified

Mark 15:25 on the 3rd hours
Act 5;30 he was hanged

See your life outside 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I know you will see something talk....
See difference between John and Mark...
And maybe you should dictionary to check meaning and different between hang and crucify
Olodo nii omode yii
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 11:33pm On Feb 02
NairaLTQ:


Is the prophet of Islam able to read and write?

Inductrinated Muslims will still say no even though they've been shown Evidences from their own books.

Why were your scholars lying about Mohammed's literacy?
But you can see from the hadith you coat that he instruct another person to write his name🤣🤣🤣 don't be a dullard man
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 11:35pm On Feb 02
NairaLTQ:

I am waiting :

Instead of closing your eyes in shame that your Allah is full of scientific and historical blunders impossible for God to make
Did you know Allah said he created everything with water..and did you know is true
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by NairaLTQ: 12:25am On Feb 03
Expanse2020:

Did you know Allah said he created everything with water..and did you know is true
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Is Lithium created with water?
Is Iron created with water?
Is Uranium created with water?

Is the electron created with water?
Are protons created with water?
Are electromagnetic waves created with water?

None of these contain Hydrogen nor Oxygen.

See how Allah goofed big time again. It is impossible that Allah is the Creator if he makes silly blunders like this!


Did Allah create Angels with water or light?
Did Allah create Jinn with water ?
Did Allah create Adam with water or Mud/Clay?

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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by NairaLTQ: 12:27am On Feb 03
Expanse2020:

But you can see from the hadith you coat that he instruct another person to write his name🤣🤣🤣 don't be a dullard man
There is no doubt that Mohammed had secretaries, but the hadith said he wrote didn't it?

It's your religious book sir: is it another Lie?
.

What would Islam not lie about?


In Musnad Ahmad 656, Is it untrue that the Messenger of Allah wrote, `In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.`
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by NairaLTQ: 12:30am On Feb 03
Expanse2020:



John 19:14 On the six hours
John 19:16 Jesus was crucified

Mark 15:25 on the 3rd hours
Act 5;30 he was hanged

See your life outside 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I know you will see something talk....
See difference between John and Mark...
And maybe you should dictionary to check meaning and different between hang and crucify
Olodo nii omode yii
You can read English except you are a fraudulent person.

What exactly happened at the sixth hour?
What exactly happened at the third hour?


You know exactly why you cannot answer these two questions : fraud is in your blood
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 2:12am On Feb 03
SIRTee15:


Now u hiding behind one finger.
my first question was did Isa made reference to God as father. You replied NO
Then my next queston was if Isa didnt call God father, the verses that claimed Jesus called father in the bible, are they corrupt?
then u dived into how the term father was used in the scriptures used- whether they are metaphorical or literal?
I'm not here to debate theological terminology of Father. What I'm here for is to show u that the koran is deficient when subjected to historical scrutiny. koranic texts cannot survive any viable historical test- it runs into lots of serious problems.
Did Jesus when he was walking on this earth called God father? This is a historical question, not a theological question.
I'm not asking u if Jesus called God father within the realm of divine or metaphorical statement. But here to ask u Jesus calling God father is a historical fact.
Your koran made it clear Isa could never have called God father and would never have told his disciples to call God father.
But the gospel letters made it clear Jesus called God father and told his disciples to call God father.
Both cannot be true historically. either the koran or gospel letter is lying. The question I'm asking u is which one is false.

I never said God cursed the jews for calling God their father. show me where I said so here.
My statement is clear- Allah condemned jews for calling God their father. pls check the difference btw condemn and curse.

The Jews and the Christians each say, “We are the children of Allah and His most beloved!” Say, ˹O Prophet,˺ “Why then does He punish you for your sins? No! You are only humans like others of His Own making.
The highlighted clearly shows Allah frown on people calling him their father.

SIRTee15:


U see, the fact that U can't take a stand regarding if those verses are corrupt or not shows u struggling with the TRUTH.
If Isa never referenced God as father, then it should be clear whoever wrote that he said so in the gospel is lying.
That should be easy. Isn't it? What's difficult.

If Allah condemned Jews for calling him father, then whoever wrote that the prophets in the old testament referenced God as father should be lying. It's just common sense.

But honesttalk here is not ready to stick out his neck for the Koran because he knows the TRUTH.
Those verses in the bible are not corruption. Jesus did call God father and the prophets in the old testament were correct to referenced God as father.

All historical records about Abrahamic faith prior to islam confirmed God is called father. All of them- including non biblical text.
These include Targum, Talmud, Peshitta, dead sea scrolls, Didache, early church fathers writings. These books all called God father.
The only book that says God should not be called father is the Koran. A book that came after people had been calling God father for over 2 thousand years and no prophet corrected them. No record of any prophet correcting them.

Honesttalk the reason U were not willing to beat your chest that the bible verses are corrupt is because U will struggle to defend that position.

Honesttalk what I want u to see and understand is that Koran can't stand historical test or scrutiny. It always fails whenever this happened.
The Koran as a book struggles to make sense when applied within historical context.
What we have instead from Muslim apologetics are lies upon lies, waffling, rewording the verses in the Koran, ambiguous re explanation of the Koranic verses.
Good thing is u didn't take that route. U seem like an intelligent guy and not someone obsessed with blind faith.
I'm not here to tell U to become Christian, I'm not even telling u to leave Islam. But what I want u to do as an intelligent person is take a look at the Koran in your hand and ask yourself this sincere question
Is this book really from God? Did Muhammad actually heard from any angel?
because from our conversation here, some things are clear.
ISA in the Koran IS NOT Jesus in the bible. They are 2 different characters. Jesus in the bible called God his father, ISA in the Koran didn't call God his father; Jesus in the bible told his disciples to call God father but ISA never told his disciples to call God father. It's obvious they can not be the same person. One is true and the other is a fabrication. I will leave u to guess who is who.

It's also obvious from the conversation here that Muhammed never heard from God. It's all a lie.
Jews during the time of Elijah called God father, they did so during the time of David, Elijah, Elisha, Ezra, Isaiah, Jeremiah. Yet none of this prophets of God told them not to call God father, there's no record of them telling Israelites not to call God their father.
Only Muhammed has that information. Something isn't right. It's either the prophets in OT never heard from God or Muhammed never heard from God. I will leave u to guess who never heard from God.

Two of your statements requoted for you SirTee15. What's the difference between cursed and condemned?

The writing of prophets of old calling God father is explained as a non literal statement isn't it? Where is it or does it become literal?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by SIRTee15: 3:29am On Feb 03
Expanse2020:

Different narrative from John,Luke,Mattew, mark

John 20:1-8
The Resurrection of Jesus
20 Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb. MARRY ONLY AND THE THOMB HAS BEEN OPEN 2 So she ran and went to Simon Peter and the other disciple, the one whom Jesus loved, and said to them, “They have taken the Lord out of the tomb, and we do not know where they have laid him.” 3 Then Peter and the other disciple set out and went toward the tomb. 4 The two were running together, but the other disciple outran Peter and reached the tomb first. 5 He bent down to look in and saw the linen wrappings lying there, but he did not go in. 6 Then Simon Peter came, following him, and went into the tomb. He saw the linen wrappings lying there, 7 and the cloth that had been on Jesus’s head, not lying with the linen wrappings but rolled up in a place by itself. 8 Then the other disciple, who reached the tomb first, also went in, and he saw and believed, 9 for as yet they did not understand the scripture, that he must rise from the dead. 10 Then the disciples returned to their homes.

Jesus Appears to Mary Magdalene
11 But Mary stood weeping outside the tomb . As she wept, she bent over to look[a] into the tomb, 12 and she saw two angels in white sitting where the body of Jesus had been lying, one at the head and the other at the feet. 13 They said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping?” She said to them, “They have taken away my Lord, and I do not know where they have laid him.” 14 When she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, but she did not know that it was Jesus. 15 Jesus said to her, “Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you looking for?” Supposing him to be the gardener, she said to him, “Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.” 16 Jesus said to her, “Mary!” She turned and said to him in Hebrew,[c] “Rabbouni!” (which means Teacher). 17 Jesus said to her, “Do not touch me, because I have not yet ascended to the Father. [b]But go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’ ” [/b]18 Mary Magdalene went and announced to the disciples, “I have seen the Lord,” and she told them that he had said these things to her.
PLEASE WHERE DID PETER AND OTHERS DISERPEAR IN A BLINK OF AN EYE

[b]Bros Mattew 😂

The Resurrection of Jesus
28 After the Sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. 2 And suddenly there was a great earthquake, for an angel of the Lord, descending from heaven, EARTHQUAKE
REALLY 🤣🤣 came and rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning and his clothing white as snow. 4 For fear of him the guards shook and became like dead men. 5 But the angel said to the women, “Do not be afraid, for I know that you are looking for Jesus who was crucified. 6 He is not here, for he has been raised, as he said. Come, see the place where he[a] lay. 7 Then go quickly and tell his disciples, ‘He has been raised from the dead, and indeed he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him.’ This is my message for you.” 8 So they left the tomb quickly with fear and great joy and ran to tell his disciples. 9[b] Suddenly Jesus met them and said, “Greetings!” And they came to him, took hold of his feet, and worshiped him. 10 Then Jesus said to them, “Do not be afraid; go and tell my brothers and sisters to go to Galilee; there they will see me.”
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MR MARK GBEMIDEBE
16 When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. 2 And very early on the first day of the week[b], when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb[/b]. 3 They had been saying to one another, “Who will roll away the stone for us from the entrance to the tomb?” 4 When they looked up, they saw that the stone(THEY DIDN'T SEE ANY ANGEL), which was very large, had already been rolled back. 5 As they entered the tomb, they saw a young man dressed in a white robe sitting on the right side, and they were alarmed. 6 But he said to them, “Do not be alarmed; you are looking for Jesus of Nazareth, who was crucified. He has been raised; he is not here(JE (WAS NOT AT THE THOMB OR VICINITY) 😂😂🤣. Look, there is the place they laid him(WHER😂😂E). 7 (WHO IS TALKING PLEASE 🤣🤣🤣)But go, tell his disciples and (WHICH PETER, THE ONE THAT FOLLOW MARY BEFORE 🤣🤣) Peter that he is going ahead of you to Galilee; there you will see him, just as he told you.” 8 So they went out and fled from the tomb, for terror and amazement had seized them, and they said nothing to anyone, for they were afraid.[a]

BROS LUKE COME ANT TELL US THE TRUTH JARE
The Resurrection of Jesus
24 But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they went to the tomb, taking the spices that they had prepared. 2 They found the stone rolled away from the tomb, 3 but when they went in they did not find the body.[a] 4 While they were perplexed about this, suddenly[b] two men in dazzling clothes stood beside them[/b] (I KNOW U WILL SAY THE TRUTH 😂😂😂NOT ANGEL). 5 The women[b] were terrified and bowed their faces to the ground,[b] but the men[c] said to the[/b]m, “Why do you look for the living among the dead? He is not here but has risen.[d] 6 Remember how he told you, while he was still in Galilee, 7 that the Son of Man must be handed over to the hands of sinners and be crucified and on the third day rise again.” 8 Then they remembered his words, 9 and returning from the tomb they told all this to the eleven and to all the rest. 10 Now it was Mary Magdalene, Joanna, Mary the mother of James, and the other women with them who told this to the apostles. 11 But these words seemed to them an idle tale, and they did not believe them. 12 But Peter got up and ran to the tomb; stooping and looking in, he saw the linen cloths by themselves; then he went home, amazed at

Thank you so for the clarity UNCLES

THAT IS WHAT THEY CALLED CONCRETE EVIDENCE IN THE FALLACY BOOK
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PATIENTLY WAITING FOR YOU TO DEBUNK IT

DID THEY ACTUALLY SEE THE JESUS AT RESURRECTION EVEN ON THE THOMB

Read this, the answer u looking for is there..

https://www.nairaland.com/7818601/why-gospel-resurrection-accounts-differ/2#125429012
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 8:23am On Feb 03
SIRTee15:


Read this, the answer u looking for is there..

https://www.nairaland.com/7818601/why-gospel-resurrection-accounts-differ/2#125429012
You should be fooling yourself around
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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 8:25am On Feb 03
NairaLTQ:

You can read English except you are a fraudulent person.

What exactly happened at the sixth hour?
What exactly happened at the third hour?


You know exactly why you cannot answer these two questions : fraud is in your blood
at the 6st our Jesus was crucified
But another verse said it's was at the 3rdhrs he was hanged... Who is lying among them
John or mark
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 9:31am On Feb 03
NairaLTQ:

Is Lithium created with water?
Is Iron created with water?
Is Uranium created with water?

Is the electron created with water?
Are protons created with water?
Are electromagnetic waves created with water?

None of these contain Hydrogen nor Oxygen.
Is lithium not liquid,
Is iron not liquid
Is Uranium not liquid
All this thing can easily

See how Allah goofed big time again. It is impossible that Allah is the Creator if he makes silly blunders like this!

MUMU MAN 🤣😂😂
First, it is All living things
Secondly all these minerals resources either have certain deposit of hydrogen or oxygen go check it out yourself

All this Iron, uranium and lithium were extracted as ore...when they are at room temperature they are solid but when subdues to temperatures they met back to liquid and
They are oxide in nature...you don't know anything about Science but only open mouth anyhow...did you know the meaning oxide self😂😂😂😂
Send me the oxidation state of those element I want to check something
By the way what did you know about Uranium oxide or iron oxide self😂🤣🤣😂

Mugafal😂😂😂🤣

Did Allah create Angels with water or light? Was angel created for earth 🤣😂😂🤣🤣

Did Allah create Jinn with water ? Who are those living earth and dwell on earth 🤣😂😂🤣 did you see jinn with your eye on this Earth
Did Allah create Adam with water or Mud/Clay?
Odẹ Ibadan.
What formed clay or mud....is it not water + sand...So
Adam( P.B.U.H) was created from water + sand called Mud...
Quran VERSE to back it up 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇on it ways,😜😜😜😜
Al anbiya
Do not the[b] Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together[/b] (as one unit of creation), [b](FIRST BIGBANG THEORY)/b] before we clove them asunder?

[b]We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?[b]

BONUS FOR YOU MOTHER FUCKER
GOOGLE IT OUT what constitutes this earth and also human body mainly
Olodo may sure you share it with us here
Thank you for the enlightenment in advance😂😂🤣🤣🤣
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 9:44am On Feb 03
AuthorMan:



You go weep tire.

Mental Patient grin

I know you are a drop out because the same way you rushed to go and pick Bible verse to justify your inherited madness must have been the way you answered questions in exams.
Olodo!
Asinwin Omo eran grin

The verse you quote is 56 of Mathew 26
You should have read further if you were okay mentally.

58 says;

But Peter followed him afar off unto the high priest's palace, and went in, and sat with the servants, to see the end.
Matthew:26:58


I pray for your unborn kids.

They will never inherit the curse you have inherited from your parents.

Say Amen!

Oponu
Odẹ
na me write the filthy story book you carry up and down with full of fallacy
With no accurate details...they all forsook him, they all fled and hide away for 3days
Say na me write am....
Ọmọ iran ki ìtàn
Were Yaba left
Salaro
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by NairaLTQ: 10:19am On Feb 03
Expanse2020:
Odẹ Ibadan.
What formed clay or mud....is it not water + sand...So
Adam( P.B.U.H) was created from water + sand called Mud...
Quran VERSE to back it up 👇👇👇👇👇👇👇👇on it ways,😜😜😜😜
Al anbiya
Do not the Unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), (FIRST BIGBANG THEORY) before we clove them asunder?

We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?

BONUS FOR YOU MOTHER FUCKER
GOOGLE IT OUT what constitutes this earth and also human body mainly
Olodo may sure you share it with us here
Thank you for the enlightenment in advance😂😂🤣🤣🤣

You forgot what you said:
Expanse2020:

Did you know Allah said he created everything with water..and did you know is true
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Do you know the meaning of everything ?
Did you Not say Allah created everything with water?

Everything include Hydrogen, Helium, lithium, Beryllium, Carbon, the Sun, Jinn, Angels,... Are these created with water?

So, can you see who the dumdum is here!?


To you, it is an unknown thing that every living thing that feed on earth needs water for survival and it took only took Mohammed to know and teach us that mammals, fish, reptiles, insects contain water. What a discovery that couldn't have been known by any man. Please clap for Allah and Mohammed for this discovery!

Why did Allah say he created man from mud when he actually created man from water (according to your submission)?
Did Allah Allah create man from mud or from water?

Jinns are living beings that live on the earth, are they also made from water?
Back your answer up with your Qur'an?



Since you now believe in Google, will you now please google out if
1. Mountains of ice exist in the sky from which Allah cuts hails to stone his enemies?
2. Stars are missiles Allah throw at satan for peaping into heaven?
3. Babies grow between the backbone and the ribs of a woman?



Is it correct to say that ALL buildings are made FROM water?
This is like what you claim about Allah and his prophet

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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by NairaLTQ: 10:27am On Feb 03
Expanse2020:
at the 6st our Jesus was crucified
But another verse said it's was at the 3rdhrs he was hanged... Who is lying among them
John or mark
Can you please first answer correctly:
When did Imam bukhari die?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by AuthorMan: 10:38am On Feb 03
Expanse2020:

Odẹ
na me write the filthy story book you carry up and down with full of fallacy
With no accurate details...they all forsook him, they all fled and hide away for 3days
Say na me write am....
Ọmọ iran ki ìtàn
Were Yaba left
Salaro

Continue Crying grin

You're weeping through out this year. grin

Lazy drop out.

As a mad person who inherited madness from his father it is had for you to understand the use of the word "But"

Everyone left the room but Expanse2020 did not because of the inherited mental illness he got from his father.

The "but" in the sentence above shows one person did not leave the room although every other person did.

Same happened to Peter. He followed Jesus from afar.

Olodo.

Basic English grammar rules he doesn't know. grin
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:10am On Feb 03
NairaLTQ:

Is Lithium created with water?
Is Iron created with water?
Is Uranium created with water?

Is the electron created with water?
Are protons created with water?
Are electromagnetic waves created with water?

None of these contain Hydrogen nor Oxygen.

See how Allah goofed big time again. It is impossible that Allah is the Creator if he makes silly blunders like this!


Did Allah create Angels with water or light?
Did Allah create Jinn with water ?
Did Allah create Adam with water or Mud/Clay?

Have you ever heard about the Monistic Postulate?

The monistic view posits that all elements, both known and unknown, are derived from a single primordial element. This is in line with the concept of embracing the Unity of Elements.
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by NairaLTQ: 11:28am On Feb 03
Ohyoudidnt:


Have you ever heard about the Monistic Postulate?

The monistic view posits that all elements, both known and unknown, are derived from a single primordial element. This is in line with the concept of embracing the Unity of Elements.
It is a bad science sir.

Everything is made from the basic atoms which consist of protons, electrons, neutrons and other subatomic particles.

This include Hydrogen and Oxygen from whose reaction water is made. Hydrogen as the smallest element is made up of a single Proton, a neutral and an electron!

Is it true to say that:
All concrete houses are made from water?

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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Ohyoudidnt: 11:45am On Feb 03
NairaLTQ:

It is a bad science sir.

Everything is made from the basic atoms which consist of protons, electrons, neutrons and other subatomic particles.

This include Hydrogen and Oxygen from whose reaction water is made. Hydrogen as the smallest element is made up of a single Proton, a neutral and an electron!



Is it true to say that:
All concrete houses are made from water?

Not a bit surprised. At the beginning I ask you; Have you ever heard about the Monistic postulate? What is a postulate?

Do you know of nuclear fusion and fission?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by SIRTee15: 11:56am On Feb 03
Expanse2020:

You should be fooling yourself around
😂😂😂😂😂😂

After inhaling your dose if laffing gas, come back here n critic the article. That's what this thread is about, no one is interested in your inconsequential laffing.

Up till now U failed terribly to debunk any evidence brought against the Koran as a false book. All u do is run to bible as a way of deflecting the embarrassment in the Koran. As if the lies in the bible makes the Koran true
Sorry to disappoint U, that other religion is false doesnt make the Islam true.
Islam has been tested here based on historical reality and it failed woefully.
Laff all u want, but doesnt change the fact Islam is one of the many false religion prophesied in the bible.
Kiss the truth the same way u kiss the black stone.

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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by NairaLTQ: 12:26pm On Feb 03
Ohyoudidnt:


Not a bit surprised. At the beginning I ask you; Have you ever heard about the Monistic postulate? What is a postulate?

Do you know of nuclear fusion and fission?
1. I started with Monistic postulate is a bad science because it's not even a science.

2. Monism is the philosophical view that there is only one fundamental substance, reality, or principle. It stands in contrast to dualism, which posits the existence of two fundamental substances or principles.

3. I then gave you scientific constituent of matter from the fundamental particles of protons, neutrons and electrons and admission of a few other sub atomic particles.

3. A postulate is a statement or proposition that is accepted without proof as a basis for reasoning or further investigation. They are axioms to establish the groundwork for logical reasoning.

5. I know about nuclear fission and fussion and I still wonder how it has anything to do with water being from which living things are created.

I asked you a question

Is it true and proper to say that:
All concrete houses are made from water?

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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by SIRTee15: 12:43pm On Feb 03
honesttalk, expanse, Qasim, antichristian

So I've been able to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that ISA in the Koran is not the Jesus in the bible.

There's historical evidence that Jesus called God father and told his followers to do the same.
But ISA in the Koran never called Allah his father and never instructed his followers to call Allah father. honesttalk admitted to this.

From the above it's obvious, ISA and jesus are not the same person. It makes no sense for Jesus who called God father to be isa who never call God father. Attempt at making them one is what we call cognitive dissonance.

ISA is what we call an impostor, a fabrication by Muhammed. And that puts the koran into lots of trouble.
The Koran cannot survive historical scrutiny when tested with historical facts/evidence, it will fall yakata for ground. The Koran cannot fit into any historical reality, it's just impossible.
That's why islamic countries do not want western scholars to investigate the Koran like they do to the bible. They don't want the truth to come out.

I will continue to expose the inherent impossibility of Koranic text to make sense when compared with historical reality.

Next will be another question Muslims love to ask, 'Why does God need a Son?'
I will answer the question and use it to prove the historical problems associated with Koranic texts.
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Ohyoudidnt: 3:24pm On Feb 03
NairaLTQ:

1. I started with Monistic postulate is a bad science because it's not even a science.

2. Monism is the philosophical view that there is only one fundamental substance, reality, or principle. It stands in contrast to dualism, which posits the existence of two fundamental substances or principles.

3. I then gave you scientific constituent of matter from the fundamental particles of protons, neutrons and electrons and admission of a few other sub atomic particles.

3. A postulate is a statement or proposition that is accepted without proof as a basis for reasoning or further investigation. They are axioms to establish the groundwork for logical reasoning.

5. I know about nuclear fission and fussion and I still wonder how it has anything to do with water being from which living things are created.

I asked you a question

Is it true and proper to say that:
All concrete houses are made from water?

You then mean
(It is a bad science sir.

Everything is made from the basic atoms which consist of protons, electrons, neutrons and other subatomic particles.

This include Hydrogen and Oxygen from whose reaction water is made. Hydrogen as the smallest element is made up of a single Proton, a neutral and an electron!) Is equivalent to:

[1. I started with Monistic postulate is a bad science because it's not even a science.

2. Monism is the philosophical view that there is only one fundamental substance, reality, or principle. It stands in contrast to dualism, which posits the existence of two fundamental substances or principles.

3. I then gave you scientific constituent of matter from the fundamental particles of protons, neutrons and electrons and admission of a few other sub atomic particles.

3. A postulate is a statement or proposition that is accepted without proof as a basis for reasoning or further investigation. They are axioms to establish the groundwork for logical reasoning.]

Is this correct?

A concrete house can be said to be made of water but not solely water.

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