SIRTee15:
honesttalk, expanse, Qasim, antichristian

So I've been able to prove beyond any reasonable doubt that ISA in the Koran is not the Jesus in the bible.

There's historical evidence that Jesus called God father and told his followers to do the same.
But ISA in the Koran never called Allah his father and never instructed his followers to call Allah father. honesttalk admitted to this.

From the above it's obvious, ISA and jesus are not the same person. It makes no sense for Jesus who called God father to be isa who never call God father. Attempt at making them one is what we call cognitive dissonance.

ISA is what we call an impostor, a fabrication by Muhammed. And that puts the koran into lots of trouble.
The Koran cannot survive historical scrutiny when tested with historical facts/evidence, it will fall yakata for ground. The Koran cannot fit into any historical reality, it's just impossible.
That's why islamic countries do not want western scholars to investigate the Koran like they do to the bible. They don't want the truth to come out.

I will continue to expose the inherent impossibility of Koranic text to make sense when compared with historical reality.

Next will be another question Muslims love to ask, 'Why does God need a Son?'
I will answer the question and use it to prove the historical problems associated with Koranic texts.

SIRTee15:


Listen to yourself and ponder if what U saying makes sense.
U stated here that Jesus in the Koran couldn't have called God father and never told his disciples to call God father.

Then u came to the bible and said it's possible Jesus called God father only if it's within cultural context or used metaphorically.

Are they not the same person. Is Jesus in the Koran and the one in the bible not the same person. So how can one call God father and the other denied ever calling God father.

If above is not confusion and cognitive dissonance mixed together. I don know what to call it.
If we have a time machine and we go back in time into 30AD to meet Jesus when he was walking on this earth, will we find him calling God father?
That's my question that honesttalk has refused to answer.

Well I hope I have exposed the fraud in the Koran and forced u to see the truth.
As I said this is not about u leaving Islam but to make u ponder on the reliability of the Koranic texts.

honesttalk21:


I cannot totally agree with you and don't agree in the least bit.

First you state in the second paragraph a reliance on historical evidence. Which historical evidence outside the bible? Is the calling God father not amongst the offenses labelled against the biblical claim? Where was he vindicated of liability?

Furthermore, in what context did Jesus refer to God as his father? Explain and differentiate this concept from that of the old testament.

The Quran Mushaf is available and accessible for all that want to read and ponder over what is contained therein and your allegation that attempts to hide it away from scrutiny are false.

You fail to convince your stand by convincing premises and give a great fallacy in conclusion.

honesttalk21:


Pointing out the reason of misunderstanding by Christians in not knowing the context of the phrase child of God.

Expanse2020:

Odẹ
na me write the filthy story book you carry up and down with full of fallacy
With no accurate details...they all forsook him, they all fled and hide away for 3days
Say na me write am....
Ọmọ iran ki ìtàn
Were Yaba left
Salaro

SIRTee15:


Didache written in 50AD confirmed Christians called God father, the book contain the Lord's prayer as instructed by Jesus; and the dead sea scrolls manuscripts confirmed the Jews called God father.

I really don't understand U. Why are U researching in what context Jesus Christ called God father when U already admitted Jesus in the Koran NEVER CALLED GOD FATHER.
What exactly is your point, that it's possible for Jesus in the bible to call God father if it's cultural or metaphorical BUT Jesus in the Koran can never call God father.
Read the above and ask yourself if it makes sense.

Incase U dont know, what u implying here is that Jesus in the Koran is not the same as Jesus in the bible.

Honesttalk, the issue here is that U neither appreciate nor understand religious history or how it's applied to the scriptures. U don't even fully grasp the error I'm trying to point out.

What U failing to do here is inability to correlate religious textual claim with historical reality.
Did Isa the Muslim ever called God father in whatever context, Did Isa the Muslim ever told his followers to call God father of course metaphorically.
If your answer is no then how come Jesus Christ in the bible did otherwise. Are they not the same person? How come the the bible and Koran is contradicting each other.

I think Muslims should be taught historical criticism of the scriptures. That' s the big problem here.

The day Muslims begin to appreciate religious history, that's the day they realise have been sold a big lie called the Koran.

SIRTee15:


I think we done here. Ask your islamic scholars or other friends to help u out.
They ve been silent all thru despite me calling them out.
Is Jesus of the bible and the one in the Koran the same person?

Let me answer your other questions. I'm a man of my word.

SIRTee15:


After inhaling your dose if laffing gas, come back here n critic the article. That's what this thread is about, no one is interested in your inconsequential laffing.

Up till now U failed terribly to debunk any evidence brought against the Koran as a false book. All u do is run to bible as a way of deflecting the embarrassment in the Koran. As if the lies in the bible makes the Koran true
Sorry to disappoint U, that other religion is false doesnt make the Islam true.
Islam has been tested here based on historical reality and it failed woefully.
Laff all u want, but doesnt change the fact Islam is one of the many false religion prophesied in the bible.
Kiss the truth the same way u kiss the black stone.

AuthorMan:


Continue Crying

You're weeping through out this year.

Lazy drop out.

As a mad person who inherited madness from his father it is had for you to understand the use of the word "But"

Everyone left the room but Expanse2020 did not because of the inherited mental illness he got from his father.

The "but" in the sentence above shows one person did not leave the room although every other person did.

Same happened to Peter. He followed Jesus from afar.

Olodo.

Basic English grammar rules he doesn't know.

Ohyoudidnt:


You then mean
(It is a bad science sir.

Everything is made from the basic atoms which consist of protons, electrons, neutrons and other subatomic particles.

This include Hydrogen and Oxygen from whose reaction water is made. Hydrogen as the smallest element is made up of a single Proton, a neutral and an electron!) Is equivalent to:

[1. I started with Monistic postulate is a bad science because it's not even a science.

2. Monism is the philosophical view that there is only one fundamental substance, reality, or principle. It stands in contrast to dualism, which posits the existence of two fundamental substances or principles.

3. I then gave you scientific constituent of matter from the fundamental particles of protons, neutrons and electrons and admission of a few other sub atomic particles.

3. A postulate is a statement or proposition that is accepted without proof as a basis for reasoning or further investigation. They are axioms to establish the groundwork for logical reasoning.]

Is this correct?

A concrete house can be said to be made of water but not solely water.

Expanse2020:

Which part of Quran is false table it here let enlightening you rather than the lies ur pastor put for brain

Expanse2020:

Ọdọyọ
Allah Will go heal you

honesttalk21:


You appear to be getting things mixed up. I say this because you tend to seek confirmation of the Bible by the Quran or is it continuation of the Bible in the Quran.

Remember there have been many posts not necessarily by you that the Bible is a compilation of the writings of different authors however variantly inspired by the Holy spirit or God.

The Quran isn't this and perhaps the nearest to a book(s) of several authors like this you find in Islam are the different Hadith.

The The Didache, also known as “The Teaching of the Twelve Apostles demonstrates a reliance on biblical reports through its use of direct quotations and allusions to passages from the New Testament. It shows in Chapter 1 an echo of the language of Matthew 7:13-14, which discusses the narrow gate and the broad road.

SIRTee15:


No need for unnecessary shalaye, U already seen the truth. It's either u reject it or deny it. That's up to U.
Books may lie, Koran or bible may be forged or falsified.
But history is always true because it's the reality that can never be changed.
History confirmed Jesus called God father.

SIRTee15:


I think we done here. Ask your islamic scholars or other friends to help u out.
They ve been silent all thru despite me calling them out.
Is Jesus of the bible and the one in the Koran the same person?

Let me answer your other questions. I'm a man of my word.

SIRTee15:

Let me answer your other questions. I'm a man of my word.

honesttalk21:


Historical report based on the Bible? Seriously!

Expanse2020:

Which part of Quran is false table it here let enlightening you rather than the lies ur pastor put for brain

And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death][] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

SIRTee15:


The Didache eucharist written 50 AD.

Expanse2020:

Which part of Quran is false table it here let enlightening you rather than the lies ur pastor put for brain

SIRTee15:


I also want you to explain this verse to me Surah 65.4- surah about divorce.
I find it very disturbing. I want to know who put it in the Koran and why.

As for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery.1 And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them.

And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death][] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.

Qasim, antiChristian, ohyoudidn't, honesttalk. I think I should help because I doubt expanse is knowledgeable enough to tackle it.

TenQ:

Many parts of the Qur'an is wrong, but will you listen and learn for God cannot make such silly errors.

AntiChristian:


Yeah! Wrong because your holy spirit aka IQ will never comprehend it!

Many parts of the Bible is wrong too but you'll quickly tell lies that it isn't and you can explain them!

And you'll say is we don't have Holy spirit to interpret your scriptures but your own holy spirit can interpret ours?

AntiChristian:


There's nothing to explain. A woman has no marriage age in Islam. She can be married anytime.

And this is found in your Bible too when Moses and other killed all deflowered women and all men in Numbers 31. Even baby girls were not mentioned to be spared! All non-virgins were kept for themselves after they killed the deflowered women!

You should tell us why your merciful and loving God killed all men and boys even babies and infants!
Killed all deflowered females and spared only undeflowered girls and ladies for themselves!

Is this a mistake from God?

They gave God a share of 32 booty in Numbers 31:40.

Was God given baby girls or matured girls?
Who selected the virgins and how were they selected?

Expanse2020

TenQ:

You have the shameless effrontery to compare a book written by Allah to a book written by Moses!?
Are you comparing Allah with Moses!?

Tell me how sparing virgins and girls during ancient wars equivalent to DIVORCING underage girls who have not started mensuration?

What could be their offence warranting divorce ?

AntiChristian, you married a six year old girl and you divorce her because she cries of pain during painful penetration of your instrument of reproduction : what do you expect sir?

TenQ:

Like the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it.
Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

Is this correctly stated by Allah?

Only Muslims can justify its correctness : it is obvious that this Allah never ever once saw our solar system! God CANNOT make this terrible blunder sir! It is only understandable if the error is made by Mohammed (after all, he is human)

Here are ten different versions of 2 Samuel 15:7:

"After four years had passed, Absalom said to the king, 'Let me go to Hebron and fulfill a vow I made to the LORD.'" (English Standard Version)

"And it came to pass after forty years, that Absalom said unto the king, I pray thee, let me go and pay my vow, which I have vowed unto the LORD." (King James Version)

"After four years, Absalom said to the king, 'Please let me go to Hebron and fulfill a vow I made to the LORD.'" (New International Version)

"After four years, Absalom said to the king, 'Please let me go to Hebron and fulfill a vow I made to the LORD.'" (New Living Translation)

"After four years, Absalom said to the king, 'Please let me go to Hebron and fulfill a vow I made to the LORD.'" (Christian Standard Bible)

"After four years, Absalom said to the king, 'Please let me go to Hebron and fulfill a vow I made to the LORD.'" (New American Standard Bible)

"After four years, Absalom said to the king, 'Please let me go to Hebron and fulfill a vow I made to the LORD.'" (Revised Standard Version)

"After four years, Absalom said to the king, 'Please let me go to Hebron and fulfill a vow I made to the LORD.'" (New Revised Standard Version)

"After four years, Absalom said to the king, 'Please let me go to Hebron and fulfill a vow I made to the LORD.'" (Amplified Bible)

"After four years, Absalom said to the king, 'Please let me go to Hebron and fulfill a vow I made to the LORD.'" (Holman Christian Standard Bible)

Please note that these are just a few examples of different versions of 2 Samuel 15:7. There are many more translations available, each with their own unique wording and style.

AntiChristian:


Don't divert from the points I raised! God sent Moses and Moses had holy spirit according to your Bible

AntiChristian:

You won't be able to run away. Moses and others killed everyone and spared virgin babies and adults for themselves! Than they gave God his share from this booty!

This is the worst from your Bible!

Tell us the offence of the baby virgins they spared for themselves! Tell us why God didn't condemn all these?

AntiChristian:

One thing you'll never understand is that you don't sleep with a lady until she's ready for it. Was your Joseph sleeping with Mary immediately she was married to him?

And the reason for divorce should be between them as it doesn't concern you!

AntiChristian:


As your holy spirit guided you to interpret so you interpret! Your holy spirit is error prone!

This has been explained several times but your holy spirit is too stubborn! He'll never accept anything except whatever it has been programmed with!


Which numerical value is correct here?

SIRTee15:

Who's is Dhu al-Qarnayn in your Koran?

Help your friend honesttalk out here, he's been struggling to identify Jesus in the Koran.
Did Jesus in the Koran call God his father? Did he ever tell his disciples to call God father?

AuthorMan:


See English of a lunatic

"Allah will go heal you."

The madness that entered your prophet when he slept with a nine years old is what has been disturbing your family.

Senseless drop out.
Saint Joseph also married a child at 89years 😱😱😱😱😱
He must be a paedophile according to the bible
Allah will go

TenQ:
Please,
What is a Spirit?
Until you cross this bridge, you are lost!


Again :
The Holy Spirit doesn't write nor does He dictate, He tells Moses to write: and Moses will write according to his own understanding and style of writing.

Unlike Allah who wrote the Qur'an in a tablet in heaven. And sent Jibril to dictate to Mohammed and not even one diacritical mark is different in the Qur'an you have in your hands.

Just one error is enough to disprove that the Quran is NOT from God the Creator!


Again:
Like the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it.
Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

If this correctly stated by Allah?
Then please respond to this question
Please what is the tribe or nation in history that lives beside the murky water where the sun sets?

TenQ:
Please,
What is a Spirit?
Until you cross this bridge, you are lost!


Again :
The Holy Spirit doesn't write nor does He dictate, He tells Moses to write: and Moses will write according to his own understanding and style of writing.

Unlike Allah who wrote the Qur'an in a tablet in heaven. And sent Jibril to dictate to Mohammed and not even one diacritical mark is different in the Qur'an you have in your hands.

Just one error is enough to disprove that the Quran is NOT from God the Creator!


Again:
Like the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it.
Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."

If this correctly stated by Allah?
Then please respond to this question
Please what is the tribe or nation in history that lives beside the murky water where the sun sets?

TenQ:

Like the Sun sets in some murky waters And a people live near it.
Qur'an 18:86
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water: near it he found a people: We said: "O Zul-qarnain! (thou hast authority,) either to punish them, or to treat them with kindness."
Like the holy spirit speak to lot to sleep with her 2daughters😂😂🤣🤣🤣



Is this correctly stated by Allah?

Only Muslims can justify its correctness : it is obvious that this Allah never ever once saw our solar system! God CANNOT make this terrible blunder sir! It is only understandable if the error is made by Mohammed (after all, he is human)