honesttalk21:
@SirTee15

No responses to these:
Showing how abd is slave and servant contrary to your assertion.




Is the answer undergoing review and certification ?

honesttalk21:


Kindly tell where Aisha complained about her relations her husband. I believe this is most important or any ailment she experienced due to her marriage. There alone is there a problem otherwise don't interfere with the dealings of a couple outside yours.

Expanse2020:

Nigeria is a Nation not city
But ur is a city not nation or trybe

Expanse2020:

You never travel across the globe...to see how sun set in different regions with time...
According to event, He travelled far to end o south ,north, east, where there is only mountain no one living around there and He described the sun how it's set as if it entered the muldy or mulky sea... Now is saw some people oppressed group of people. Then he built a dam/fence with iron and copper ore / extract....

Then to our surprised now lately last year the scientist come out that they discovered lost Antarctica for like centuries
The Antarctica only have mountains, sea but nobody leave there
Another surprised there is a red seas in the Antarctica and scientist discovered that iron particles are the caused of the sea to turn red..

But am not mandating it that is where Magog lived before you twisted it again..
Mr twister

honesttalk21:


You can interpret it to what you like. My point is what the phrase child of God pertains to. What does it pertain to?



Being a child of God is complying with the covenant and thus following the commands, worshipping and upholding righteous conduct as prescribed by God.

You repeatedly choose which to follow and neglect.

Romans 12:18, if it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone.

(Apparently this isn't possible for you)

You lay claim to being encouraged to preach the word (your word as a Christian) but does it tell you to force your word?

TenQ:

It doesn't Dawn on you that ONLY God Himself can call anyone His child? It isn't in the power of anyone to be able to choose to be a child of God.

This is why Jesus says that you must be Born Again : meaning your are born of the earth (body) then you must be born of God's Spirit to even qualify for heaven.

Of course you are a slave to Allah because he needs slaves. But Yahweh has always desired to choose from amongst humans those He can call His Children.

Only God can make you His child: it is not within the power of anyone to choose to become God's child. Every Child of God is given a seal of Ownership by God Himself. But of course, you cannot understand!

You can see how wrong you are in thinking you understand what it means to be a child of God?

SIRTee15:


abd is the common name for slave. Black slaves were called abeed and derogatory term arabs used for blacks is abd. Arab speakers know exactly when to use the word abd. They will never call their dear servants abd but use khadim.
The Koran was clear, modern Muslims are the one not comfortable with the word abd and twisting it to mean servant.
Koran is clear when the word was used to describe Allah-human relationship. U are slaves of Allah.

It makes sense to be fair because God actually own us- we belong to him and bond servants to God. He can decide what to do with us without asking for out opinion and we humans can't do anything about it.

But in the bible, God elevated mankind to son status as a mark of his eternal love for us and his desire to have a deep relationship with us. He actually wants to communicate to us.

I will answer them before they even call to me. While they are still talking about their needs, I will go ahead and answer their prayers!

Above verse doesnt look like a slave-master relationship.

honesttalk21:

How do you know God calls or sees you as his child? Where did the discussion take place? Can you invite me to witness this discussion to clear all doubts?

honesttalk21:

What is meant by being born again? This is of course is not literal or is it? Is it in any way metaphorical? Is it not detachment from doing acts not accepted to be in line with the covenant and being regretful of any involvement in such deeds in the past? Is it not seeking the pardon of the ultimate judge; the almighty unique creator and master of all as well as the day of judgement?

honesttalk21:

Another misconception. Allah needs nothing.
O men! It is you, who stand in need of Allah, whereas He alone is self-sufficient, the One to whom all praise is due.

O people, it is you who stand in need of Allah; as for Allah, He is Self-Sufficient, Immensely Praiseworthy.

Please tell what need of Allah can mankind fulfil?

The interchangeability between the terms "servant" and "slave" has persisted through ancient times, highlighting their prevalence in numerous societies. You may argue that a servant is free while a slave is owned but in all despite your individuality who owns you?

TenQ:

I thank God for the opportunity to travel at least to a few continents and I have been to a few oceans. Everywhere in the world, the sun sets at the horizon in the west. The horizon is the farthest point you can see when looking out at the evening setting sun.

The illogicality of the statement of Allah is confirmed with you desperately avoiding answering my questions.
Bring the verses again to clear Your doubt
Again :

1. According to the direct word of Allah,
Is it untrue that Allah says that Dhulqanain reached the setting place of the sun?
Did did he also appear to reach the setting place of the sun?

2. Did Allah says he found it AS IF the sun was setting in a pool of muddy water?

3. Let us assume that Dhuqhanain was seeing the sunset of the sun, Did Dhuqhanain also APPEAR to see a people there?

You don't get it.
The sun set anywhere you see it is the farthest you can see: did he see a people on an island so far away into the horizon?

honesttalk21:


Very contrary to what you tend towards establishing. I showed you a verse from the Quran 18:1 which contains abd meaning servant not slave and shared other examples from general language in Arabic.

Both Khadim and Abd refer to individuals who dedicate themselves to serving a greater cause or a higher power. While they do differ in terms of the sentiments associated with their meanings, it is crucial to highlight that these differences should not overshadow the underlying unity that exists between them.

My sons have Abd and many muslim brothers are pleased in their names with Abd.

Khadim or servant, is someone who embodies the essence of selflessness and devotion. They offer their services willingly and without hesitation, recognizing the importance of their role in serving others.

Abd , who is a worshipper, focuses primarily on their relationship with a higher power. While they also engage in acts of service, their motivation stems from a deep sense of reverence and devotion to their faith or spirituality. Worshipers recognize their role as humble beings in the presence of something greater than themselves.

Will you serve God and man in the same way and accord same reverence to them? Definitely God should supersede .

Khadim and Abd are essentially two sides of the same coin. While there are differences in sentiments associated with their meanings, these should not overshadow the underlying unity in meaning between them. Both words embody selflessness, devotion, and a commitment to serving a greater cause

TenQ:

You are certainly doing everything so that you won't answer my question.

Gen 11:28:
"And Haran died before his father Terah in the land of his nativity, in Ur of the Chaldees."

Did you see Chaldees?
Good!

Now, what is the name of the Tribe or nation in historical records of those DhulQanain found near the setting place of the sun?

SIRTee15:


Show me where the Israelites men had sex with small girls and divorced them. We dealing with facts here.
Nothing in the verse said they married them as teenagers.

A good example is 2 kings 5.2 where Naaman had a young Israelites girl for himself. Did he married her or turned her into a sex slave. Not every tribe have a depraved mindset like the writers of the Koran.

2 Now bands of raiders from Aram had gone out and had taken captive a young girl from Israel, and she served Naaman’s wife. 3 She said to her mistress, “If only my master would see the prophet who is in Samaria! He would cure him of his leprosy.”




Now back to my question. Since there's no age bracket in islam for a girl to get married.
Are u saying it's ok for Qasim to get married to your 8 yr old daughter and after a year divorce her if he's tired of her.
Are u saying it's ok in islam for expanse2020 to get married to a 9 yr old girl and then divorce her 6 monthis later of she's caught in 'adultery'.

Are U saying it's ok in Islam for you antichristian to get married to a 10 yr old girl according to Sharia and then have her punished according to Sharia law if she's caught in adultery- which could be stoning to death.

Are U saying all the above is ok in islam and according to Koran?

SIRTee15:


Honesttalk is already dealing with it and really struggling even though is quite an intelligent guy.
Trust me U can't do any better, let him handle it.

Tell me who is dhul-qarnayn in history. Where can we know about him history. Who is he?, where is he from, what's the name of his empire, which people Did he conquer.
Any archeological or historical record outside of the Koran to corroborate he is indeed a mighty warrior.
Why is he called 2 horned man?

That's what I'm interested in, not what's written about him in the Koran which could all be an imagination fabrication of Muhammed.

Remember it was the Jews that asked Muhammed about dhul-qarnayn, so this man must be well known outside the Koran and outside the islamic narrative/source. At least modern day Jews should know about him.

cc honesttalk

Expanse2020:


According to Islam a girl attained a marriage stage after she saw her first menses(also is a tradition to all semantics people before us be it Arabs, Jews,Armenia, Greek, Hebrew.. they married their ladies at the early age..before teen) example plenty for bible too

Expanse2020:


But The case of the Bible Number is different,
So if I were to go by the bible verse Number 31 which said Moses instructed his war men to kill all the sons,men, and women, ladies or girls that have known man or had sex with a man and also instructed them to leave the girls that have not had intimacy with any man but they should keep them for themselves...
First there is no marriage between them but only
Slavery, forceful abduction, rape and child molester/abused can be deduced from that statement. because he doesn't tell them to married them but only keep them for there own selfish purpose and after they had done with them what will happen..they would be on there own..USE AND DUMP...
But in ISLAM if you want marry there some obligation to fulfill before you married and their some obligation to fulfill before a marriage can be cut off..
I Will like to entertain more questions on it, let reason together brother😏

SIRTee15:

Then U have to explain the Koranic verse that says U can divorce a female who is yet to menstruate. We all know girls who are yet to menstruate are preteens. What u saying here contradicts what is written in the koran. Even your antichristian friend admits the verse is true.

for your women past the age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their waiting period is three months, and those who have not menstruated as well. As for those who are pregnant, their waiting period ends with delivery.1 And whoever is mindful of Allah, He will make their matters easy for them.

And those of your women as have passed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months, and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) shocked shocked shocked their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death][] . And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens), and whosoever fears Allâh and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him.




Bring the verse where they had forceful sex with them. Otherwise all u doing is forcing your opinion on the bible.
Bring the verse where God told them they can have them as sex slaves or rape them.
Otherwise the 2 kings 2.5 example is valid and applicable. Na you get dirty mind.

Besides u are yet to tell me who is dhul-qarnayn according to the Jews who asked Muhammed.
Who is he in history? If U ashamed to tell me, should I tell U because I know who the Jews call dhul-qarnayn

Expanse2020:


As I told you earlier that those semantic people they give out there ladies out in marriage at early age..if you have doubt wit that consult the bible and historian.
According to Quran verses...the verses is a guidelines ASLO a law rulings to Divorce..that is the mutual agreement to divorce.. atleast you can show us perhaps if prophet divorce a 6years girl..

Expanse2020:

Note:
If someone is under slavery there is nothing the master cannot do to her..
So don't covered a lie, the west that came to captivate and slave African you can read up what they did to our women both kids and adults and
Imagine the person that said killed the grown women and keep the girls that haven't taste a man for yourself...you don't know the meaning(keep them for what, to be licking their wound Abi)

SIRTee15:


Muhammed loved his own child bride so didn't divorce her. U have to explain to me what it means to divorce a female who is ye to menstruate. There's no child marriage in my bible so can't help. That it happened in slavery doesn't mean it was right. That's why we have objective morality and guidance.
Except u saying getting married and divorcing a small girl is divine guidance.



Naaman kept his own girl-captive for his wife not for himself. The girl became a servant to Naaman's wife. Each individual is left to decide what he wanted to do with the girl slave.

Expanse2020:
[/b] for get the taboo you want to bring as evidence... showing one man in a mist of thousands of soldiers keep decieving yourself...
Even the one that near us as fa as luggard we know how they treated slavery rather than those accidents ages...

Expanse2020:

I only asked you any of the Muhammad companions that divorce a 6years girl...

Expanse2020:

And I had you said there was no child marriage in the bible
At what Age did Mary mother of Jesus begat not even Married
At what age does Rachel begat
Also Rebecca was begat at 3years 3days also in the bible 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Chaiiiiiiii
Please tell me
3 to 17 years are they not child marriage under the law

Expanse2020:

Thank God you said the truth that the Jews came to meet prophet S.A.W. to know is Dhul qarnayn (to test him )and the ayat explain briefly to them what they want to know..

But if you said based on historian
Dhul qarnayn was equate to be two people according to the historian
One is Alexander the Great that historian also said in travel vast across the end of south,east, north and also possessed a cap of this two horn...but some Muslim elders said Alexander does not leave up to 700years so it may not be him
The second one is the South Arabian Himyarite king al-Ṣaʿb bin Dhī Marāthid who marched the historical value possessed such ability..
Allah know best.

SIRTee15:


Alexander the Great did not reach the end of earth, and never called the name of God or Allah. He was a first class pagan who embraced worship of greek and Persian gods.

Sab dhu Marathid is a fictional character created by ibn Hisham in his book crowns on the kings written in 833AD.
bn Hisham copied the Egyptians traditions of pseudo callisthenes rendition of Alexander the great.
B4 that nobody knew or heard of sab dhu Marathid.
He wasn't a historical figure and there's no known historical record of his existence.

Dhul-qarnayn was copied into the Koran from the Syriac Alexander legend. The legend described Alexander the great built a great barrier, defeated the people of gog and magog and he worshiped God.
This legend was believed in the first millennium AD by all Abrahamic religion and that was how it found it's way into Koran.

By 1800, with archeological discovery and recovery of ancient historical writings. It became apparent the legend wasn't true. Alexander didn't build any wall, there are no people called gog and magog and he didn't even know a God called Elohim existed- moreso he was a staunch polytheist.

This fact alone proved that the Koran is not any revelation from God. It's simply collection of stories heard by Muhammed arranged in a poetic order. That's all.

SIRTee15:


Show me where the Israelites men had sex with small girls and divorced them. We dealing with facts here.
Nothing in the verse said they married them as teenagers.

A good example is 2 kings 5.2 where Naaman had a young Israelites girl for himself. Did he married her or turned her into a sex slave. Not every tribe have a depraved mindset like the writers of the Koran.
2 Now bands of raiders from Aram had gone out and had taken captive a young girl from Israel, and she served Naaman’s wife. 3 She said to her mistress, “If only my master would see the prophet who is in Samaria! He would cure him of his leprosy.”

Now back to my question. Since there's no age bracket in islam for a girl to get married.
Are u saying it's ok for Qasim to get married to your 8 yr old daughter and after a year divorce her if he's tired of her.

Are u saying it's ok in islam for expanse2020 to get married to a 9 yr old girl and then divorce her 6 monthis later of she's caught in 'adultery'.

Are U saying it's ok in Islam for you antichristian to get married to a 10 yr old girl according to Sharia and then have her punished according to Sharia law if she's caught in adultery- which could be stoning to death.

Are U saying all the above is ok in islam and according to Koran?

Adultery in the Bible:
In the Old Testament, adultery is considered a serious offense. The punishment for adultery is often seen as severe, with the Old Testament prescribing death as the penalty for both the man and the woman involved in adultery. For example, Leviticus 20:10 states, "If a man commits adultery with another man's wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death."

Rape in the Bible:
The Bible addresses the issue of rape in various passages, but it does not offer a specific punishment for the act of rape itself. However, the seriousness of the offense is evident in the narratives and laws found in the Old Testament.
For instance, in the story of Dinah in Genesis 34, her brothers respond to her rape with anger and seek retribution against the perpetrator and his people. Additionally, Deuteronomy 22:25-27 outlines the punishment for a man who rapes a betrothed woman, stating that the rapist should be put to death.

SIRTee15:


Alexander the Great did not reach the end of earth, and never called the name of God or Allah. He was a first class pagan who embraced worship of greek and Persian gods.

Sab dhu Marathid is a fictional character created by ibn Hisham in his book crowns on the kings written in 833AD.
bn Hisham copied the Egyptians traditions of pseudo callisthenes rendition of Alexander the great.
B4 that nobody knew or heard of sab dhu Marathid.
He wasn't a historical figure and there's no known historical record of his existence.

Dhul-qarnayn was copied into the Koran from the Syriac Alexander legend. The legend described Alexander the great built a great barrier, defeated the people of gog and magog and he worshiped God.
This legend was believed in the first millennium AD by all Abrahamic religion and that was how it found it's way into Koran.

By 1800, with archeological discovery and recovery of ancient historical writings. It became apparent the legend wasn't true. Alexander didn't build any wall, there are no people called gog and magog and he didn't even know a God called Elohim existed- moreso he was a staunch polytheist.

This fact alone proved that the Koran is not any revelation from God. It's simply collection of stories heard by Muhammed arranged in a poetic order. That's all.

Expanse2020:

Ur of the chaldees is a city name guy go do your finding and stop wasting my data🤣🤣🤣

Is like you see someone from Lagos and you called him Lagosian
.. Lagosian doesn't mean a nation (Nigeria) or trybe (Yoruba or let me break it down to Ẹgba, Awori,Oyo ilé, Ibadan, ijebu) stop mixing city with trybe for God sake ... acquired knowledge and stop arguing...
Bonus of the day
Try to tell me the trybe of Melchizedek too🤣🤣🤣🤣

Expanse2020:


What trybe or nation is Noah ,Lot , and Abraham too

TenQ:

Let me assume that I am chatting with a donkey and nothing and no truth on earth can make it reason.

You asked:

Your Questions have been perfectly answered with evidence: Ur of the Chaldeans!

I conclude you have ZERO answer to my Question:
No one till now can find any archeological evidence of the wall Dhulqanain built against Gog and Magog
No one knows where the city or nation or tribe of the people who live beside the setting place of the sun.
I rest my case on this


Islam is defeated on the Altar of Truth: there is no running away from it.


Now Back to the Questions you dodged:
I thank God for the opportunity to travel at least to a few continents and I have been to a few oceans. Everywhere in the world, the sun sets at the horizon in the west. The horizon is the farthest point you can see when looking out at the evening setting sun.

The illogicality of the statement of Allah is confirmed with you desperately avoiding answering my questions.

Again :

1. According to the direct word of Allah,
Is it untrue that Allah says that Dhulqanain reached the setting place of the sun?
Did did he also appear to reach the setting place of the sun?

2. Did Allah says he found it AS IF the sun was setting in a pool of muddy water?

3. Let us assume that Dhuqhanain was seeing the sunset of the sun, Did Dhuqhanain also APPEAR to see a people there?

You don't get it.
The sun set anywhere you see it is the farthest you can see: did he see a people on an island so far away into the horizon?

TenQ:

Let me assume that I am chatting with a donkey and nothing and no truth on earth can make it reason.

You asked:

Your Questions have been perfectly answered with evidence: Ur of the Chaldeans!

I conclude you have ZERO answer to my Question:
No one till now can find any archeological evidence of the wall Dhulqanain built against Gog and Magog
No one knows where the city or nation or tribe of the people who live beside the setting place of the sun.
I rest my case on this


Islam is defeated on the Altar of Truth: there is no running away from it.


Now Back to the Questions you dodged:
I thank God for the opportunity to travel at least to a few continents and I have been to a few oceans. Everywhere in the world, the sun sets at the horizon in the west. The horizon is the farthest point you can see when looking out at the evening setting sun.

The illogicality of the statement of Allah is confirmed with you desperately avoiding answering my questions.

Again :

1. According to the direct word of Allah,
Is it untrue that Allah says that Dhulqanain reached the setting place of the sun?
Did did he also appear to reach the setting place of the sun?

2. Did Allah says he found it AS IF the sun was setting in a pool of muddy water?

3. Let us assume that Dhuqhanain was seeing the sunset of the sun, Did Dhuqhanain also APPEAR to see a people there?

You don't get it.
The sun set anywhere you see it is the farthest you can see: did he see a people on an island so far away into the horizon?

Expanse2020:
You wey you no pass ur village de make mouth.....🤣🤣🤣🤣
Back to the question
Let Quran answer you
) (O Muhammad), they ask you about Dhu al-Qarnayn.61 Say: "I will give you an account of him."
Surely, We gave him power on earth and gave him means to (have) everything (he needs)
So he followed a way.
Until, when he reached the setting of the sun [i.e., the west], he found it [as if] setting in a body of dark wate[/b]r,1 and he found near it a people. We [i.e., Allāh] said, "O Dhul-Qarnayn, either you punish [them] or else adopt among them [a way of] goodness."

What is the function of he in that sentence
Bro English no be Your mate ooo

Expanse2020:
and did you know why you made yourself a fool is because the Jews who asked the questions (they came to test him but they fail too) they don't dispute the truth and you who was born in 1990s to 2000s will said it is lie....
M U M U
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Expanse2020:
if it is not true as you claimed the Jews who were there that time will call the prophet Muhammad S.A.W. a lier but there was nothing like that🫣

SIRTee15:

Can the word khadim be used for slaves?
That's all I need to know.

honesttalk21:


No. In a strict sense.

You should however know that while Abd translates to servant or slave when used as a standalone word. When it is used as a prefix in names, it takes on a different connotation. In this context, “Abd” is combined with one of the names of Allah to form a compound name that signifies servitude or worship to Allah.

honesttalk21:


No. In a strict sense.

You should however know that while Abd translates to servant or slave when used as a standalone word. When it is used as a prefix in names, it takes on a different connotation. In this context, “Abd” is combined with one of the names of Allah to form a compound name that signifies servitude or worship to Allah.