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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 9:30pm On Feb 07
Expanse2020:


I asked you to pin point one person that Married 6 years kid and Divorce her since you are hammering it at least 3years to 13 years were married in the bible
You don't realize that contemporary Muslims are even better in ethics than their prophet?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 9:31pm On Feb 07
Expanse2020:

We have given many verses which your Sciencetist later come out after 1000 years to proves that is 100% correct., and if you think is not correct you your bible that holy spirit wrote to debunk any of it...
Senior M.U.M.U
Yes, Like the sun setting in the murky waters!
LOL!
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 9:32pm On Feb 07
Expanse2020:

No body tell you or affirm it for you that Dhul qarnayn is a prophet
If you didn't mention him, I would not have known. Therefore

Is the the South Arabian Himyarite king al-Ṣaʿb bin Dhī Marāthid a prophet of Allah?

It's a Yes or No Question!
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by SIRTee15: 10:37pm On Feb 07
Expanse2020:


You Come with propaganda bring history down even your so call BBC acknowledge that Christianity came through slavery to African while Islam came through trading

Yeah after wiping off the Christian Berber indigenes of the north Africa.
And using jihad to force Islam down the throats of the indigenes. It's either the sword or islam.

Show me any African country that became Christianity thru the gun or slavery.
I can tell U scores of African country that were forced into islam thru jihad starting with Ilorin emirate.

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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 1:17am On Feb 08
TenQ:

1. Is it true that your prophet says your good deeds and Iman cannot guarantee you paradise except by the mercies of Allah?
Does this not mean that there is NOTHING you can do to earn paradise(even if it is by obeying Allah's commands) ?
2. Is it untrue that Allah's destiny Al-Qadr is what determine whether you enter Al-Janna or not
3. What do you think a man can to to erase his sin of violation of the Kufayakun of God?
4. Why do you think the God of Abraham and Moses instituted the ordinance of Animal sacrifice?

Finally,
If God gave you a ransome for your sin through the slaughter of the sinless Messiah, can you choose your own alternative to God's commands?



Yes we have to break up your questions or extra multiple questioning nature. Even a criminal lawyer is learning beside you undecided

Why the silly double standards? Does your Bible say:
Ephesians 2
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Have you not been boasting? Search yourself.

Explain the question 3. What do you think a man can to to erase his sin of violation of the Kufayakun of God? as it is unclear.

Did God of Abraham and Moses institute the ordinance of Animal sacrifice? Where and how? Is this what your Bible says?

Was Jesus slaughtered as sacrifice or sentenced to death by man under man's law? There is a big difference isn't it?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 3:44am On Feb 08
SIRTee15:


Honesttalk is that not Abdullah translated as slave of Allah in the hadith. I thought U said Abdullah mean worshippers of Allah...

Pls leave up to your name...honesty.

honesttalk21:


Is that the sole and only translation?

TenQ:

It was translated by Islamic Scholars and Muslims like you in www.sunnah.com

Are Tenq and SirTee15 the same person? A question directed at the latter was jumped at by the former.

Who is slaving to serve who?

Don't be too forward
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 3:52am On Feb 08
SIRTee15:


So why did the English translators of the Qur'an chose slave of Allah rather than the other ones here.
That's the question we have Ben asking and U ignored.

Is this to depict how low mankind is in comparison to Allah. A means to show humility?

Linguistic and Semantic Considerations:
Translating the Qur'an involves striking a balance between accurately reflecting the original text's meaning and catering to the target language's cultural and linguistic norms. In Arabic, the term "Abdullah" carries a wider range of meanings than can be encapsulated by any single English word. It generally encompasses the notions of servitude, devotion, and submission to Allah. The English word "slave" adheres closely to the broad semantic range of "Abdullah" and effectively conveys the required level of submission and dependence, which is a central concept in Islam.


Islam emphasizes the absolute servitude of humans to Allah, emphasizing the notion of total dependency on the Divine. While "servant" or "worshipper" may be seen as viable alternatives, these terms can be interpreted in a narrower sense that falls short of capturing the depth of submission required by the term "Abdullah.
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 5:00am On Feb 08
You see that with the Truth one is not afraid to say YES or NO: and to answer any questions posed!
honesttalk21:



Yes we have to break up your questions or extra multiple questioning nature. Even a criminal lawyer is learning beside you undecided

Why the silly double standards? Does your Bible say:
Ephesians 2
[8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
[9] Not of works, lest any man should boast.
[10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Have you not been boasting? Search yourself.

Its not a double standard:
You imply that salvation in Islam is by doing good deeds as prescribed by Allah: this is contrary to the teachings of Islam. Thus my questions! So, apart from your good deeds, what saves you in Islam. For us a s Christians, Jesus saves us: we are not saved by good deeds.

I have not been boasting because it is consistent with everything I've been telling you.
Oh Yes: By Grace we are saved through our Faith in the atonement of Jesus on the Cross. It's not of our works

Eph 2:8-10:
"For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.". For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
In other words,


Our salvation is a gift we received because we have Faith in that which Christ has done for us and as such we cannot boast of our goodness: we received this Gift because we were created (Born Again) in Christ Jesus not by our good deeds


honesttalk21:

Explain the question 3. What do you think a man can to to erase his sin of violation of the Kufayakun of God? as it is unclear.

God's Command, Will and Instruction CANNOT be violated because it would be a violation of the Integrity of God that His words must come to pass.
Human Beings have also been given free will by God so that we can choose to obey or violate God's Command, Will and Instruction.

Thus, SIN is a record that God's Command, Will and Instruction has been violated.

So, the Question is : In Islam, how can Sin or violation of God's Command, Will and Instruction be Erazed after it is committed?

honesttalk21:

Did God of Abraham and Moses institute the ordinance of Animal sacrifice? Where and how? Is this what your Bible says?

Adam:
Gen 3:21: "To Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them."


Cain and Abel:
Gen 4:4-5: "And Abel, he also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect to Abel and to his offering: But to Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell."

Abraham :
Gen 15:9-10: "And he (God) said to him (Abraham) , Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. And he took to him all these, and divided them in the middle, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not."

Gen 22:2: "And he (God) said (to Abraham), Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and get you into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering on one of the mountains which I will tell you of."


Moses:
Exo 12:5-7: "Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: you shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: And you shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it."

Lev 8:1-2: "And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, Take Aaron and his sons with him, and the garments, and the anointing oil, and a bullock for the sin offering, and two rams, and a basket of unleavened bread;"



honesttalk21:

Was Jesus slaughtered as sacrifice or sentenced to death by man under man's law? There is a big difference isn't it?
I used the word Slaughtered to mean Kill.

It doesnt matter the means that God used to cause the death of Jesus the Messiah by shedding of his blood.

According to prophecy:

Isa 53:10:
"Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him (the Messiah) ; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand."


Isa 53:12:
"Therefore will I divide him (the Messiah) a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul to death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."


Now you see how easily it is to answer questions regarding to scriptures. The same Questions I asked you.

You said:

honesttalk21:

4. Solution
The following of the solution you claim is different from that before and after Jesus? What exactly is the solution other than following and adhering to the word and guidance of the almighty God.

This is believing in God as the one, sole, almighty incomparable that does all things. Engaging in acts of truth and justice according to his directions.
The bolded and underlined is against your religion, thus I asked you
1. Is it true that your prophet says your good deeds and Iman cannot guarantee you paradise except by the mercies of Allah?
Does this not mean that there is NOTHING you can do to earn paradise(even if it is by obeying Allah's commands) ?
2. Is it untrue that Allah's destiny Al-Qadr is what determine whether you enter Al-Janna or not
3. What do you think a man can to to erase his sin of violation of the Kufayakun of God?
4. Why do you think the God of Abraham and Moses instituted the ordinance of Animal sacrifice?

Finally,
If God gave you a ransome for your sin through the slaughter shedding of blood and death of the sinless Messiah, can you choose your own alternative to God's commands?

Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 5:13am On Feb 08
honesttalk21:






Are Tenq and SirTee15 the same person? A question directed at the latter was jumped at by the former.

Who is slaving to serve who?

Don't be too forward
When you wouldn't ceace being deceptive in order to defend Allah and his prophet Mohammed.


Sahih al-Bukhari 2925
Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:
Allah's Messenger said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews until some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O `Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'"


Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 209
Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "None of you should say, 'My slave ('abdi)' or 'my slavegirl (amati)' All of you are slaves of Allah and all of your women are slaves of Allah. Rather you should say, 'My boy (ghulami)', my slavegirl (jariyyati)', 'my lad (fatayi)' or 'my girl (fatati).'"


Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 400
Abu Hurayra reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Do not hate one another nor contend with one another. Slaves of Allah, be brothers."


Sahih al-Bukhari 3445
Narrated `Umar:
I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle."








Is it UNTRUE that:
There are hundreds of Hadiths where both Mohammed and every Muslim is described as the slave of Allah?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 5:17am On Feb 08
Again :






honesttalk21:

4. Solution
The following of the solution you claim is different from that before and after Jesus? What exactly is the solution other than following and adhering to the word and guidance of the almighty God.

This is believing in God as the one, sole, almighty incomparable that does all things. Engaging in acts of truth and justice according to his directions.

1. Is it true that your prophet says your good deeds and Iman cannot guarantee you paradise except by the mercies of Allah?
Does this not mean that there is NOTHING you can do to earn paradise(even if it is by obeying Allah's commands) ?
2. Is it untrue that Allah's destiny Al-Qadr is what determine whether you enter Al-Janna or not
3. What do you think a man can to to erase his sin of violation of the Kufayakun of God?
4. Why do you think the God of Abraham and Moses instituted the ordinance of Animal sacrifice?

Finally,
If God gave you a ransome for your sin through the slaughter of the sinless Messiah, can you choose your own alternative to God's commands?


The Message : (Belive on the Lord Jesus atonement on the Cross )
This was God's solution to the problem of hell?
Follow it and you will be saved

Believing in the SOLUTION of God is what saves you sir.



honesttalk21:

5. God is a Spirit:
In Islam, the concept of the spirit is closely tied to the belief in the unity and transcendence of God. The Quran portrays God as the creator of everything, including the human spirit. According to Islamic teachings, Allah uniquely breathed His spirit into Adam, the progenitor of humanity, giving mankind a special connection to the divine (Quran 15:29)

It is believed that Allah breathed his spirit into Adam, the first human being, giving him life and knowledge.

﴿وَلَقَدْ خَلَقْنَاكُمْ ثُمَّ صَوَّرْنَاكُمْ ثُمَّ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ اسْجُدُوا لِآدَمَ فَسَجَدُوا إِلَّا إِبْلِيسَ لَمْ يَكُن مِّنَ السَّاجِدِينَ﴾
[ الأعراف: 11]


7:11 And surely, We created you (your father Adam) and then gave you shape (the noble shape of a human being); then We told the angels, "Prostrate yourselves to Adam", and they prostrated themselves, except Iblis (Satan), he refused to be of those who prostrated themselves.


Had a discussion based on this translation of the meaning. Was man first created before given form? If this is so what is it that was first created? Could this be the Spirit?

Should you doubt then consider when Allah drew the spirit of all mankind from Adam a.s and they all testified that there was no god but Allah (nothing worthy of worship except Allah)

Al-A'raf 7:172

وَإِذْ أَخَذَ رَبُّكَ مِنۢ بَنِىٓ ءَادَمَ مِن ظُهُورِهِمْ ذُرِّيَّتَهُمْ وَأَشْهَدَهُمْ عَلَىٰٓ أَنفُسِهِمْ أَلَسْتُ بِرَبِّكُمْۖ قَالُوا۟ بَلَىٰۛ شَهِدْنَآۛ أَن تَقُولُوا۟ يَوْمَ ٱلْقِيَٰمَةِ إِنَّا كُنَّا عَنْ هَٰذَا غَٰفِلِينَ

English - Sahih International

And [mention] when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." [This] - lest you should say on the Day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware."

So you see the Spirit is a creation of Allah and not Allah.

You said all the general things about the concept of the Spirit in Islam without answering any questions. Your description of what the Spirit is is not coherent.
You said :
the Spirit is a creation of Allah and not Allah
However, you also said :
Allah breathe His Spirit into Adam

1. If Allah breathe his spirit into Adam, then the spirit is an attribute of Allah.
But if the spirit is an attribute of Allah, it cannot be created.
2. There is no single Qur'an or hadith that suggest that the Spirit is created by Allah, perhaps you can find one verse for me.
3. Jibril is acclaimed to be the Holy Spirit (a living being).
Jesus is the spirit from Allah (a living being)
Also. since Jibril is an Angel, then all angels are spirits!

This brings another problem:
There is no where where Allah is adjudged to create the Spirit in Islam.
.
Do you agree that If the spirit is created, then it cannot be of Allah for it comes from within him just like the uncreated Qur'an

honesttalk21:

Regarding the Hadith Mishkat al-Masabih 3525 which states that when engaging in a physical altercation, one must avoid striking the face due to the belief that God created Adam in His own image. This concept of being created in the image of God is rooted in Islamic teachings. However, it is important to understand that this phrase should not be interpreted literally, as God is beyond any physical attributes or limitations. Instead, it symbolizes the unique dignity and significance bestowed upon human beings by their Creator.

Allah is beyond human comprehension and does not resemble anything in creation. Therefore, the idea of God creating humans in His own image is understood metaphorically rather than in a literal sense.

When the Hadith mentions that Adam was created in God's image, it implies that human beings possess qualities such as rationality, moral consciousness, free will, and the capability to recognize and establish a relationship with their Creator. Islam emphasizes that such attributes distinguish humans from other creatures and make them accountable for their actions.

The Quran mentions the creation of Adam and emphasizes his unique status among all creations. However, it is important to note that while humans are considered the noblest of creations, they are distinct from God and do not share His divine attributes.

It be difficult to belive that the hadith is metaphoric and not literal because, if it was a metaphor
1. The instruction would be to not kill a man for he is created in the image of God.
2. There would be no need to compare the height of Adam with resemblance to Allah because We rarely even grow up to 7feet inn height.
3. The paradise of Islam is a physical paradise

I think the embarrassment of the literal meaning is why you want to hide under it being a metaphor but it doesn't fit.

honesttalk21:

The Prophet pbuh seeing and meeting previous prophets pbut is a miraculous physico-spiritual occurrence. The details of how this miracle came to be is beyond the explanation of a magic trick.

Does it mean you NOW subscribe to the Duality of the Prophets?
Can you thus explain: How can TWO be thensamenas ONE One.

If God can make the feeble humans this complex, do you think you can box him into your human understanding?



[quote author=honesttalk21 post=128334713]
Allan rose above the heavens and the earth both physically and authoritatively. Allah is above them in his controlling what occurs in them.

Allan coming down to the third heaven is not just a literal statement to be understood as that. It encompasses the special consideration given to those who worship Allah at this time of the night to get their prayers easily accepted, granted and saved for them for the hereafter.

What need does Allah have to enter his creation when all is from Allah?
1. Is it untrue according to your prophet that Allah is above the seventh heaven on his throne?

2. Will you see Allah from the day of resurrection?

3. The Question is not about the need of Allah but the power of Allah! Can Allah enter into his creation. It's a yes or no question?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 5:29am On Feb 08
When you ask a question, stay patient for an answer. I have started answering you and will answer all in due time.

I have engagements that are prior to typing descriptive answers to your questions. I will get to them.
TenQ:
Again :







1. Is it true that your prophet says your good deeds and Iman cannot guarantee you paradise except by the mercies of Allah?
Does this not mean that there is NOTHING you can do to earn paradise(even if it is by obeying Allah's commands) ?
2. Is it untrue that Allah's destiny Al-Qadr is what determine whether you enter Al-Janna or not
3. What do you think a man can to to erase his sin of violation of the Kufayakun of God?
4. Why do you think the God of Abraham and Moses instituted the ordinance of Animal sacrifice?

Finally,
If God gave you a ransome for your sin through the slaughter of the sinless Messiah, can you choose your own alternative to God's commands?


The Message : (Belive on the Lord Jesus atonement on the Cross )
This was God's solution to the problem of hell?
Follow it and you will be saved

Believing in the SOLUTION of God is what saves you sir.




You said all the general things about the concept of the Spirit in Islam without answering any questions. Your description of what the Spirit is is not coherent.
You said :
the Spirit is a creation of Allah and not Allah
However, you also said :
Allah breathe His Spirit into Adam

1. If Allah breathe his spirit into Adam, then the spirit is an attribute of Allah.
But if the spirit is an attribute of Allah, it cannot be created.
2. There is no single Qur'an or hadith that suggest that the Spirit is created by Allah, perhaps you can find one verse for me.
3. Jibril is acclaimed to be the Holy Spirit (a living being).
Jesus is the spirit from Allah (a living being)
Also. since Jibril is an Angel, then all angels are spirits!

This brings another problem:
There is no where where Allah is adjudged to create the Spirit in Islam.
.
Do you agree that If the spirit is created, then it cannot be of Allah for it comes from within him just like the uncreated Qur'an


It be difficult to belive that the hadith is metaphoric and not literal because, if it was a metaphor
1. The instruction would be to not kill a man for he is created in the image of God.
2. There would be no need to compare the height of Adam with resemblance to Allah because We rarely even grow up to 7feet inn height.
3. The paradise of Islam is a physical paradise

I think the embarrassment of the literal meaning is why you want to hide under it being a metaphor but it doesn't fit.

Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 5:30am On Feb 08
TenQ:

When you wouldn't ceace being deceptive in order to defend Allah and his prophet Mohammed.


Sahih al-Bukhari 2925
Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar:
Allah's Messenger said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews until some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O `Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'"


Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 209
Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "None of you should say, 'My slave ('abdi)' or 'my slavegirl (amati)' All of you are slaves of Allah and all of your women are slaves of Allah. Rather you should say, 'My boy (ghulami)', my slavegirl (jariyyati)', 'my lad (fatayi)' or 'my girl (fatati).'"


Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 400
Abu Hurayra reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Do not hate one another nor contend with one another. Slaves of Allah, be brothers."


Sahih al-Bukhari 3445
Narrated `Umar:
I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle."








Is it UNTRUE that:
There are hundreds of Hadiths where both Mohammed and every Muslim is described as the slave of Allah?

Lousy reasoning. Was the question directed ti you? Busy body
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 5:37am On Feb 08
TenQ:


Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 400
Abu Hurayra reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Do not hate one another nor contend with one another. Slaves of Allah, be brothers."


A key way to identify fraud is hastening of the proponent. Cyber security fraud.

See picture attached

Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 6:32am On Feb 08
honesttalk21:
When you ask a question, stay patient for an answer. I have started answering you and will answer all in due time.

I have engagements that are prior to typing descriptive answers to your questions. I will get to them.
No problem!
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 6:35am On Feb 08
honesttalk21:


Lousy reasoning. Was the question directed ti you? Busy body
Interestingly, I addressed directly SIRTee15 and not you when I noticed you consistently bending the truth to suit your narrative.

Then you were copied for you to know that you are bursted!
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 6:50am On Feb 08
From which site did your screenshot come from?
The Truth is never afraid!
honesttalk21:


A key way to identify fraud is hastening of the proponent. Cyber security fraud.

See picture attached
Muslims generally are known for lying and toning down whatever they consider offensive in their religion.

Are you saying that the scholars of Islam in www.sunnah.com fraudulently mistranslated servant to slave?

The Truth is the anvil upon which Islam is broken sir!


Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 209
Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "None of you should say, 'My slave ('abdi)' or 'my slavegirl (amati)' All of you are slaves of Allah and all of your women are slaves of Allah. Rather you should say, 'My boy (ghulami)', my slavegirl (jariyyati)', 'my lad (fatayi)' or 'my girl (fatati).'"


Can you see the highlighted?

SLAVE of Allah!
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:05am On Feb 08
TenQ:

You don't realize that contemporary Muslims are even better in ethics than their prophet?
Abi lik how Christians are more Christianity than the Jesus
Like how them beautify Jesus church than the one he built 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Like them clap,dance, whistle, drumming, belling more than JESUS did 🤣🤣🤣🤣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:07am On Feb 08
TenQ:

Yes, Like the sun setting in the murky waters!
LOL!
You your holy spirit book to dispute it if not correct 🫣🤣🫣🫣🫣🫣
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:07am On Feb 08
TenQ:

If you didn't mention him, I would not have known. Therefore

Is the the South Arabian Himyarite king al-Ṣaʿb bin Dhī Marāthid a prophet of Allah?

It's a Yes or No Question!
You can check Google for the answer
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 7:08am On Feb 08
Expanse2020:

You your holy spirit book to dispute it if not correct 🫣🤣🫣🫣🫣🫣
Your God Allah believes in our book : you seem more knowledgeable than him
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 7:09am On Feb 08
Expanse2020:

You can check Google for the answer
Something you Muslims will deny as usual!?

Are you afraid to concur if he's a prophet of Islam?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 7:14am On Feb 08
Jesus cannot be a Christian sir. We follow Him.
Expanse2020:

Abi lik how Christians are more Christianity than the Jesus
Like how them beautify Jesus church than the one he built 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Like them clap,dance, whistle, drumming, belling more than JESUS did 🤣🤣🤣🤣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣
At least we are not better than Jesus in character.

Do Muslims generally commit adultery with their wife's house girls again! ?

Do Muslims have sex with their son's wives again!?

Do Muslims have sex with a captured slave without waiting for the stipulated time again!?

You are far much better now than your prophet sir! .
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:30am On Feb 08
TenQ:

Jesus cannot be a Christian sir. We follow Him.
If JESUS IS NOT A CHRISTIAN how can you called yourself christian...so who formed Christianity...Rome, Ceaser, Pope or Catholic or Greek 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
And I think if Jesus is not Christian definitely he must be a Muslim
Or if it not a christian what was he then
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Or I don't get you if Adeboye not a redeem but created redeem what he is


At least we are not better than Jesus in character.

Do Muslims generally commit adultery with their wife's house girls again! ?

Do Muslims have sex with their son's wives again!?

Do Muslims have sex with a captured slave without waiting for the stipulated time again!?

You are far much better now than your prophet sir! .
Like how Abraham slept with his slave
Like David, Solomon, Moses, Jacob and Isaac
Toor the list is even on ended in the bible 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:36am On Feb 08
TenQ:

Your God Allah believes in our book : you seem more knowledgeable than him
Which book did Allah believe..the one the Paul wrote or the one the Mattew wrote,or the one mark wrote or the Greek one or the Roman one or the catholic one or the pope own or the King James own or orthodox own or Jehovah witnesses or the remaining 100 plus review and revise own...
Which one among

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Guy your IQ no be here too low
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:48am On Feb 08
SIRTee15:


Yeah after wiping off the Christian Berber indigenes of the north Africa.
And using jihad to force Islam down the throats of the indigenes. It's either the sword or islam.

Show me any African country that became Christianity thru the gun or slavery.
I can tell U scores of African country that were forced into islam thru jihad starting with Ilorin emirate.
Who brought religion to enslave African Christianity
Bible or Gun
Forcing thousands of people to Atlantic ocean
Taking people as slavery objects to England as a way of colonizing in the name of your religion

You can read more how your religion enslave ppl...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/history/slavery_1.shtml
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 8:06am On Feb 08
Expanse2020:

Which book did Allah believe..the one the Paul wrote or the one the Mattew wrote,or the one mark wrote or the Greek one or the Roman one or the catholic one or the pope own or the King James own or orthodox own or Jehovah witnesses or the remaining 100 plus review and revise own...
Which one among

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Guy your IQ no be here too low

Please respond to my questions
1. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 4:47
” O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you”


2. Is this scripture true
Quran 2:89
” And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them”


3. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 5:68
“Say, “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel”


Speaking about the corruption of the Quran:
Is the Quran perfectly preserved?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 8:19am On Feb 08
TenQ:


Please respond to my questions
1. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 4:47
” O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you”


2. Is this scripture true
Quran 2:89
” And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them”


3. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 5:68
“Say, “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel”


Speaking about the corruption of the Quran:
Is the Quran perfectly preserved?

Show me where they wrote BIBLE dullard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 8:23am On Feb 08
Expanse2020:

Like how Abraham slept with his slave
Like David, Solomon, Moses, Jacob and Isaac
Toor the list is even on ended in the bible 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sarah (Abraham's wife) gave Hagar her slave girl to Abraham.

David was condemned by God
Solomon was condemned by God

Moses, Jacob and Isaac only you know where you got your facts from


Did Allah ever condemn Mohammed for having sex with Mary the Copt?

Qur'an (66:1-5) -
"O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives?... Allah has already ordained for you, the dissolution of your oaths "


Why did he promise his wives not to have sex with Mary the Copt again?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 8:25am On Feb 08
Expanse2020:

Show me where they wrote BIBLE dullard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mr Ignorant,
Bible mean BOOK : it's an old English word.

Again:

Please respond to my questions
1. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 4:47
” O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you”


2. Is this scripture true
Quran 2:89
” And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them”


3. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 5:68
“Say, “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel”


Speaking about the corruption of the Quran:
Is the Quran perfectly preserved?
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 8:27am On Feb 08
What's fear got to do with all this? Time is limited Mr.

Got the translation straight from my phone but doubt it is Google's. See Google's.
https://translate.google.com/?sl=ar&tl=en&text=%D8%AD%D9%8E%D8%AF%D9%91%D9%8E%D8%AB%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%8E%D8%A7%20%D9%85%D9%8F%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%8E%D9%89%D8%8C%20%D9%82%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8E%E2%80%8F%3A%E2%80%8F%20%D8%AD%D9%8E%D8%AF%D9%91%D9%8E%D8%AB%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%8E%D8%A7%20%D9%88%D9%8F%D9%87%D9%8E%D9%8A%D9%92%D8%A8%D9%8C%D8%8C%20%D9%82%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8E%E2%80%8F%3A%E2%80%8F%20%D8%AD%D9%8E%D8%AF%D9%91%D9%8E%D8%AB%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%8E%D8%A7%20%D8%B3%D9%8F%D9%87%D9%8E%D9%8A%D9%92%D9%84%D9%8C%D8%8C%20%D8%B9%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%92%20%D8%A3%D9%8E%D8%A8%D9%90%D9%8A%D9%87%D9%90%D8%8C%20%D8%B9%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%92%20%D8%A3%D9%8E%D8%A8%D9%90%D9%8A%20%D9%87%D9%8F%D8%B1%D9%8E%D9%8A%D9%92%D8%B1%D9%8E%D8%A9%D9%8E%D8%8C%20%D8%B9%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%90%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D9%91%D9%8E%D8%A8%D9%90%D9%8A%D9%91%D9%90%20%D8%B5%D9%84%D9%89%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87%20%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87%20%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%85%20%D9%82%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8E%E2%80%8F%3A%E2%80%8F%20%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8E%20%D8%AA%D9%8E%D8%A8%D9%8E%D8%A7%D8%BA%D9%8E%D8%B6%D9%8F%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%8C%20%D9%88%D9%8E%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8E%20%D8%AA%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%8E%D8%B3%D9%8F%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%8C%20%D9%88%D9%8E%D9%83%D9%8F%D9%88%D9%86%D9%8F%D9%88%D8%A7%20%D8%B9%D9%90%D8%A8%D9%8E%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8E%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87%D9%90%20%D8%A5%D9%90%D8%AE%D9%92%D9%88%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8B%D8%A7%E2%80%8F&op=translate
TenQ:

From which site did your screenshot come from?
The Truth is never afraid!

Muslims generally are known for lying and toning down whatever they consider offensive in their religion.

Are you saying that the scholars of Islam in www.sunnah.com fraudulently mistranslated servant to slave?

The Truth is the anvil upon which Islam is broken sir!


Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 209
Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "None of you should say, 'My slave ('abdi)' or 'my slavegirl (amati)' All of you are slaves of Allah and all of your women are slaves of Allah. Rather you should say, 'My boy (ghulami)', my slavegirl (jariyyati)', 'my lad (fatayi)' or 'my girl (fatati).'"


Can you see the highlighted?

SLAVE of Allah!




Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 8:56am On Feb 08
TenQ:

Mr Ignorant,
Bible mean BOOK : it's an old English word.

Again:

Please respond to my questions
1. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 4:47
” O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you”


2. Is this scripture true
Quran 2:89
” And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them”


3. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 5:68
“Say, “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel”


Speaking about the corruption of the Quran:
Is the Quran perfectly preserved?

Shut your dirty mouth please
The word bible was removed from the world biblograph which simply means details or history or record of events...
Just shut up there🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bible means book who be your English teacher de teach u nonsense self
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 9:02am On Feb 08
Expanse2020:

Shut your dirty mouth please
The word bible was removed from the world biblograph which simply means details or history or record of events...
Just shut up there🤣🤣🤣🤣
Bible means book who be your English teacher de teach u nonsense self
Why don't you confirm!
Google is your friend!

Oh, I forgot,
As a Muslim, you don't care about the Truth

Please answer my questions :



Again:

Please respond to my questions
1. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 4:47
” O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you”


2. Is this scripture true
Quran 2:89
” And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them”


3. Is this scripture true or false
Quran 5:68
“Say, “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel”


Speaking about the corruption of the Quran:
Is the Quran perfectly preserved?

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