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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 9:30pm On Feb 07 |
Expanse2020:You don't realize that contemporary Muslims are even better in ethics than their prophet? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 9:31pm On Feb 07 |
Expanse2020:Yes, Like the sun setting in the murky waters! LOL! |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 9:32pm On Feb 07 |
Expanse2020:If you didn't mention him, I would not have known. Therefore Is the the South Arabian Himyarite king al-Ṣaʿb bin Dhī Marāthid a prophet of Allah? It's a Yes or No Question! |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by SIRTee15: 10:37pm On Feb 07 |
Expanse2020: Yeah after wiping off the Christian Berber indigenes of the north Africa. And using jihad to force Islam down the throats of the indigenes. It's either the sword or islam. Show me any African country that became Christianity thru the gun or slavery. I can tell U scores of African country that were forced into islam thru jihad starting with Ilorin emirate. 1 Like |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 1:17am On Feb 08 |
TenQ: Yes we have to break up your questions or extra multiple questioning nature. Even a criminal lawyer is learning beside you Why the silly double standards? Does your Bible say: Ephesians 2 [8] For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9] Not of works, lest any man should boast. [10] For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Have you not been boasting? Search yourself. Explain the question 3. What do you think a man can to to erase his sin of violation of the Kufayakun of God? as it is unclear. Did God of Abraham and Moses institute the ordinance of Animal sacrifice? Where and how? Is this what your Bible says? Was Jesus slaughtered as sacrifice or sentenced to death by man under man's law? There is a big difference isn't it? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 3:44am On Feb 08 |
SIRTee15: honesttalk21: TenQ: Are Tenq and SirTee15 the same person? A question directed at the latter was jumped at by the former. Who is slaving to serve who? Don't be too forward |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 3:52am On Feb 08 |
SIRTee15: Is this to depict how low mankind is in comparison to Allah. A means to show humility? Linguistic and Semantic Considerations: Translating the Qur'an involves striking a balance between accurately reflecting the original text's meaning and catering to the target language's cultural and linguistic norms. In Arabic, the term "Abdullah" carries a wider range of meanings than can be encapsulated by any single English word. It generally encompasses the notions of servitude, devotion, and submission to Allah. The English word "slave" adheres closely to the broad semantic range of "Abdullah" and effectively conveys the required level of submission and dependence, which is a central concept in Islam. Islam emphasizes the absolute servitude of humans to Allah, emphasizing the notion of total dependency on the Divine. While "servant" or "worshipper" may be seen as viable alternatives, these terms can be interpreted in a narrower sense that falls short of capturing the depth of submission required by the term "Abdullah. |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 5:00am On Feb 08 |
You see that with the Truth one is not afraid to say YES or NO: and to answer any questions posed! honesttalk21: Its not a double standard: You imply that salvation in Islam is by doing good deeds as prescribed by Allah: this is contrary to the teachings of Islam. Thus my questions! So, apart from your good deeds, what saves you in Islam. For us a s Christians, Jesus saves us: we are not saved by good deeds. I have not been boasting because it is consistent with everything I've been telling you. Oh Yes: By Grace we are saved through our Faith in the atonement of Jesus on the Cross. It's not of our works Eph 2:8-10: "For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.". For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. In other words, Our salvation is a gift we received because we have Faith in that which Christ has done for us and as such we cannot boast of our goodness: we received this Gift because we were created (Born Again) in Christ Jesus not by our good deeds honesttalk21: God's Command, Will and Instruction CANNOT be violated because it would be a violation of the Integrity of God that His words must come to pass. Human Beings have also been given free will by God so that we can choose to obey or violate God's Command, Will and Instruction. Thus, SIN is a record that God's Command, Will and Instruction has been violated. So, the Question is : In Islam, how can Sin or violation of God's Command, Will and Instruction be Erazed after it is committed? honesttalk21: Adam: Gen 3:21: "To Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them." Cain and Abel: Gen 4:4-5: "And Abel, he also brought of the firstborn of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect to Abel and to his offering: But to Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell." Abraham : Gen 15:9-10: "And he (God) said to him (Abraham) , Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon. And he took to him all these, and divided them in the middle, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not." Gen 22:2: "And he (God) said (to Abraham), Take now your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and get you into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering on one of the mountains which I will tell you of." Moses: Exo 12:5-7: "Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: you shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: And you shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it." Lev 8:1-2: "And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying, Take Aaron and his sons with him, and the garments, and the anointing oil, and a bullock for the sin offering, and two rams, and a basket of unleavened bread;" honesttalk21:I used the word Slaughtered to mean Kill. It doesnt matter the means that God used to cause the death of Jesus the Messiah by shedding of his blood. According to prophecy: Isa 53:10: "Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him (the Messiah) ; he has put him to grief: when you shall make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand." Isa 53:12: "Therefore will I divide him (the Messiah) a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he has poured out his soul to death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors." Now you see how easily it is to answer questions regarding to scriptures. The same Questions I asked you. You said: The bolded and underlined is against your religion, thus I asked you 1. Is it true that your prophet says your good deeds and Iman cannot guarantee you paradise except by the mercies of Allah? Does this not mean that there is NOTHING you can do to earn paradise(even if it is by obeying Allah's commands) ? 2. Is it untrue that Allah's destiny Al-Qadr is what determine whether you enter Al-Janna or not 3. What do you think a man can to to erase his sin of violation of the Kufayakun of God? 4. Why do you think the God of Abraham and Moses instituted the ordinance of Animal sacrifice? Finally, If God gave you a ransome for your sin through the |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 5:13am On Feb 08 |
honesttalk21:When you wouldn't ceace being deceptive in order to defend Allah and his prophet Mohammed. Sahih al-Bukhari 2925 Narrated `Abdullah bin `Umar: Allah's Messenger said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews until some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O `Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.'" Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 209 Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "None of you should say, 'My slave ('abdi)' or 'my slavegirl (amati)' All of you are slaves of Allah and all of your women are slaves of Allah. Rather you should say, 'My boy (ghulami)', my slavegirl (jariyyati)', 'my lad (fatayi)' or 'my girl (fatati).'" Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 400 Abu Hurayra reported that the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Do not hate one another nor contend with one another. Slaves of Allah, be brothers." Sahih al-Bukhari 3445 Narrated `Umar: I heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "Do not exaggerate in praising me as the Christians praised the son of Mary, for I am only a Slave. So, call me the Slave of Allah and His Apostle." Is it UNTRUE that: There are hundreds of Hadiths where both Mohammed and every Muslim is described as the slave of Allah? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 5:17am On Feb 08 |
Again : honesttalk21: 1. Is it true that your prophet says your good deeds and Iman cannot guarantee you paradise except by the mercies of Allah? Does this not mean that there is NOTHING you can do to earn paradise(even if it is by obeying Allah's commands) ? 2. Is it untrue that Allah's destiny Al-Qadr is what determine whether you enter Al-Janna or not 3. What do you think a man can to to erase his sin of violation of the Kufayakun of God? 4. Why do you think the God of Abraham and Moses instituted the ordinance of Animal sacrifice? Finally, If God gave you a ransome for your sin through the slaughter of the sinless Messiah, can you choose your own alternative to God's commands? The Message : (Belive on the Lord Jesus atonement on the Cross ) This was God's solution to the problem of hell? Follow it and you will be saved Believing in the SOLUTION of God is what saves you sir. honesttalk21: You said all the general things about the concept of the Spirit in Islam without answering any questions. Your description of what the Spirit is is not coherent. You said : the Spirit is a creation of Allah and not Allah However, you also said : Allah breathe His Spirit into Adam 1. If Allah breathe his spirit into Adam, then the spirit is an attribute of Allah. But if the spirit is an attribute of Allah, it cannot be created. 2. There is no single Qur'an or hadith that suggest that the Spirit is created by Allah, perhaps you can find one verse for me. 3. Jibril is acclaimed to be the Holy Spirit (a living being). Jesus is the spirit from Allah (a living being) Also. since Jibril is an Angel, then all angels are spirits! This brings another problem: There is no where where Allah is adjudged to create the Spirit in Islam. . Do you agree that If the spirit is created, then it cannot be of Allah for it comes from within him just like the uncreated Qur'an honesttalk21: It be difficult to belive that the hadith is metaphoric and not literal because, if it was a metaphor 1. The instruction would be to not kill a man for he is created in the image of God. 2. There would be no need to compare the height of Adam with resemblance to Allah because We rarely even grow up to 7feet inn height. 3. The paradise of Islam is a physical paradise I think the embarrassment of the literal meaning is why you want to hide under it being a metaphor but it doesn't fit. honesttalk21:1. Is it untrue according to your prophet that Allah is above the seventh heaven on his throne? 2. Will you see Allah from the day of resurrection? 3. The Question is not about the need of Allah but the power of Allah! Can Allah enter into his creation. It's a yes or no question? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 5:29am On Feb 08 |
When you ask a question, stay patient for an answer. I have started answering you and will answer all in due time. I have engagements that are prior to typing descriptive answers to your questions. I will get to them. TenQ: |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 5:30am On Feb 08 |
TenQ: Lousy reasoning. Was the question directed ti you? Busy body |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 5:37am On Feb 08 |
TenQ: A key way to identify fraud is hastening of the proponent. Cyber security fraud. See picture attached
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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 6:32am On Feb 08 |
honesttalk21:No problem! |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 6:35am On Feb 08 |
honesttalk21:Interestingly, I addressed directly SIRTee15 and not you when I noticed you consistently bending the truth to suit your narrative. Then you were copied for you to know that you are bursted! |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 6:50am On Feb 08 |
From which site did your screenshot come from? The Truth is never afraid! honesttalk21:Muslims generally are known for lying and toning down whatever they consider offensive in their religion. Are you saying that the scholars of Islam in www.sunnah.com fraudulently mistranslated servant to slave? The Truth is the anvil upon which Islam is broken sir! Al-Adab Al-Mufrad 209 Abu Hurayra reported that the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "None of you should say, 'My slave ('abdi)' or 'my slavegirl (amati)' All of you are slaves of Allah and all of your women are slaves of Allah. Rather you should say, 'My boy (ghulami)', my slavegirl (jariyyati)', 'my lad (fatayi)' or 'my girl (fatati).'" Can you see the highlighted? SLAVE of Allah! |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:05am On Feb 08 |
TenQ:Abi lik how Christians are more Christianity than the Jesus Like how them beautify Jesus church than the one he built 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Like them clap,dance, whistle, drumming, belling more than JESUS did 🤣🤣🤣🤣🫣🫣🫣🫣🫣 |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:07am On Feb 08 |
TenQ:You your holy spirit book to dispute it if not correct 🫣🤣🫣🫣🫣🫣 |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:07am On Feb 08 |
TenQ:You can check Google for the answer |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 7:08am On Feb 08 |
Expanse2020:Your God Allah believes in our book : you seem more knowledgeable than him |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 7:09am On Feb 08 |
Expanse2020:Something you Muslims will deny as usual!? Are you afraid to concur if he's a prophet of Islam? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 7:14am On Feb 08 |
Jesus cannot be a Christian sir. We follow Him. Expanse2020:At least we are not better than Jesus in character. Do Muslims generally commit adultery with their wife's house girls again! ? Do Muslims have sex with their son's wives again!? Do Muslims have sex with a captured slave without waiting for the stipulated time again!? You are far much better now than your prophet sir! . |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:30am On Feb 08 |
TenQ:Like how Abraham slept with his slave Like David, Solomon, Moses, Jacob and Isaac Toor the list is even on ended in the bible 🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:36am On Feb 08 |
TenQ:Which book did Allah believe..the one the Paul wrote or the one the Mattew wrote,or the one mark wrote or the Greek one or the Roman one or the catholic one or the pope own or the King James own or orthodox own or Jehovah witnesses or the remaining 100 plus review and revise own... Which one among 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Guy your IQ no be here too low |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 7:48am On Feb 08 |
SIRTee15:Who brought religion to enslave African Christianity Bible or Gun Forcing thousands of people to Atlantic ocean Taking people as slavery objects to England as a way of colonizing in the name of your religion You can read more how your religion enslave ppl... https://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/history/slavery_1.shtml |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 8:06am On Feb 08 |
Expanse2020: Please respond to my questions 1. Is this scripture true or false Quran 4:47 ” O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you” 2. Is this scripture true Quran 2:89 ” And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them” 3. Is this scripture true or false Quran 5:68 “Say, “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel” Speaking about the corruption of the Quran: Is the Quran perfectly preserved? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 8:19am On Feb 08 |
TenQ:Show me where they wrote BIBLE dullard 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 8:23am On Feb 08 |
Expanse2020:Sarah (Abraham's wife) gave Hagar her slave girl to Abraham. David was condemned by God Solomon was condemned by God Moses, Jacob and Isaac only you know where you got your facts from Did Allah ever condemn Mohammed for having sex with Mary the Copt? Qur'an (66:1-5) - "O Prophet! Why do you ban (for yourself) that which Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives?... Allah has already ordained for you, the dissolution of your oaths " Why did he promise his wives not to have sex with Mary the Copt again? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 8:25am On Feb 08 |
Expanse2020:Mr Ignorant, Bible mean BOOK : it's an old English word. Again: Please respond to my questions 1. Is this scripture true or false Quran 4:47 ” O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you” 2. Is this scripture true Quran 2:89 ” And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them” 3. Is this scripture true or false Quran 5:68 “Say, “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel” Speaking about the corruption of the Quran: Is the Quran perfectly preserved? |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by honesttalk21: 8:27am On Feb 08 |
What's fear got to do with all this? Time is limited Mr. Got the translation straight from my phone but doubt it is Google's. See Google's. https://translate.google.com/?sl=ar&tl=en&text=%D8%AD%D9%8E%D8%AF%D9%91%D9%8E%D8%AB%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%8E%D8%A7%20%D9%85%D9%8F%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%8E%D9%89%D8%8C%20%D9%82%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8E%E2%80%8F%3A%E2%80%8F%20%D8%AD%D9%8E%D8%AF%D9%91%D9%8E%D8%AB%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%8E%D8%A7%20%D9%88%D9%8F%D9%87%D9%8E%D9%8A%D9%92%D8%A8%D9%8C%D8%8C%20%D9%82%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8E%E2%80%8F%3A%E2%80%8F%20%D8%AD%D9%8E%D8%AF%D9%91%D9%8E%D8%AB%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%8E%D8%A7%20%D8%B3%D9%8F%D9%87%D9%8E%D9%8A%D9%92%D9%84%D9%8C%D8%8C%20%D8%B9%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%92%20%D8%A3%D9%8E%D8%A8%D9%90%D9%8A%D9%87%D9%90%D8%8C%20%D8%B9%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%92%20%D8%A3%D9%8E%D8%A8%D9%90%D9%8A%20%D9%87%D9%8F%D8%B1%D9%8E%D9%8A%D9%92%D8%B1%D9%8E%D8%A9%D9%8E%D8%8C%20%D8%B9%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%90%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%86%D9%91%D9%8E%D8%A8%D9%90%D9%8A%D9%91%D9%90%20%D8%B5%D9%84%D9%89%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87%20%D8%B9%D9%84%D9%8A%D9%87%20%D9%88%D8%B3%D9%84%D9%85%20%D9%82%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8E%E2%80%8F%3A%E2%80%8F%20%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8E%20%D8%AA%D9%8E%D8%A8%D9%8E%D8%A7%D8%BA%D9%8E%D8%B6%D9%8F%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%8C%20%D9%88%D9%8E%D9%84%D8%A7%D9%8E%20%D8%AA%D9%8E%D9%86%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%81%D9%8E%D8%B3%D9%8F%D9%88%D8%A7%D8%8C%20%D9%88%D9%8E%D9%83%D9%8F%D9%88%D9%86%D9%8F%D9%88%D8%A7%20%D8%B9%D9%90%D8%A8%D9%8E%D8%A7%D8%AF%D9%8E%20%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87%D9%90%20%D8%A5%D9%90%D8%AE%D9%92%D9%88%D9%8E%D8%A7%D9%86%D9%8B%D8%A7%E2%80%8F&op=translate TenQ:
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Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by Expanse2020(m): 8:56am On Feb 08 |
TenQ:Shut your dirty mouth please The word bible was removed from the world biblograph which simply means details or history or record of events... Just shut up there🤣🤣🤣🤣 Bible means book who be your English teacher de teach u nonsense self |
Re: When the Qur'an is misinterpretated : Did Jesus Die On The Cross? by TenQ: 9:02am On Feb 08 |
Expanse2020:Why don't you confirm! Google is your friend! Oh, I forgot, As a Muslim, you don't care about the Truth Please answer my questions : Again: Please respond to my questions 1. Is this scripture true or false Quran 4:47 ” O you who were given the Scripture, believe in what We have sent down [to Muhammad], confirming that which is with you” 2. Is this scripture true Quran 2:89 ” And when there came to them a Book from Allah confirming that which was with them” 3. Is this scripture true or false Quran 5:68 “Say, “O People of the Scripture, you are [standing] on nothing until you uphold [the law of] the Torah, the Gospel” Speaking about the corruption of the Quran: Is the Quran perfectly preserved? |
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