jesusjnr2020:
You see how your sheer hypocrisy has been totally exposed?

Here you are twisting and trying to cunningly wiggle yourself out of what Paul said here which clearly exposed your hypocrisy, and you think I am your problem?

You don't even believe Paul says! That's the truth.

I Corinthians 7:12 (KJV)

But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

Paul made it very simple so if you don't agree that what he said here did not from God but from Paul as he said himself, then you should argue with Paul, not me.

Kobojunkie:
Again, 1. No, because not all Paul's statements are of Jesus Christ. His claim, for instance, of being spiritual father to some is against Jesus Christ who instead said that the Father alone is Father to all in the Kingdom of God.

2. I don't know if Paul, even through all of the many mistakes highlighted in his letters, upheld God's Truth.

I was not there with him almost 2000 years ago to see and then judge this for myself.

Paul lived in the nation of Judah under the Old Law and his writings reveal he struggled with completely separating himself(opinions included) from the weight of the Old Law same as the some of the other apostles like Peter and James may have as well.

To adopt Jesus Christ in full, one is required to let go of all former beliefs and traditions, and from the contents of the many letters he supposedly wrote, I think Paul struggled the most with doing just that.

Paul to this day waits in his grave to be judged by Jesus Christ.

My duty as a servant of Jesus Christ is to do as my master has decreed and not as Paul or anyone else did.

Aemmyjah:


American Standard Version
looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
While we look for the blessed hope and the revelation of the glory of The Great God and Our Lifegiver, Yeshua The Messiah,


New American Bible
as we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ,

Emusan:


All the translations you quoted never explicitly say the statement is for two persons.

The Pulpit Commentary you provided also never supported your claim.

You know the reason why you cropped your screenshot to begin in that part but below is the part you INTENTIONALLY omitted because you know it's against you.

There's no how you people will sneak into those Christendom works to steal from it and you won't be exposed, that's why I always advise you people to stick with your non-scholarly works of Watchtower.

Aemmyjah:
Oh
My son
Same you I translated for in Yoruba shey?

You will intentionally ignore where it says that it WAS ASSUMED that it was referring to two different persons just as hope and glory is the same verse are not same
Glory and hope
Great God and Savior, Jesus Christ

Enjoy the rest of the month

Emusan:


The language you don't understand.



Did you read the @underline part or I should send glass?

So it was assumed that is referring to two different person but the further text shows that it was one person.

It was stated clearly that the "The whole sentence will then stand thus: Looking for the blessed hope, and for the appearing of the glory of the great God and of our Savior Jesus Christ" and also "The appearing of Christ will be the appearing of the glory of the great God, not the appearing of God the Father, to whom the term ἐπιφανεία is never applied, but of the Son, who is the Brightness of his Father's glory"

Which means it's about ONE person and that person is JESUS CHRIST our Great God and Saviour.

Just like I advised, you people should stop using the work of Christendom and stay with your non-scholarly works of Watchtower.

jesusjnr2020:
Oh ye perverse and adulterous generation, how long shall I bear with you?

I'd chosen to ignore you for a while because I didn't want to dignify a hardened stony heart with a response that would end up being wasted.

Imagine going through the whole thread I posted here several years ago, and still couldn't find any single glaring error I listed there, so why should I bother trying any further?

You're a proof of how spiritually daft and blind most Nairaland christians are.

I was shocked to see on social media that the same Gospel of Christ i've emphatically preaching here for years which hardly any of you could catch up with, it's also been preached by several others there. Y'all made me feel as though I was special and unique here by your rejection of the Gospel but I realized that I was just a number there.

The bolded you quoted of my post is proof that your idea I reject all of Paul's teachings because I point out the errors in some of them, was borne out of purely blind sentiments which beclouds your ability to reason judge properly.

The difference between us is that i don't follow Pauk blindly as you do but Christly, that's why I could see the error of his teachings.

Moreover Paul himself could point out the so-called "errors" of other apostles, but you too blind to see that because you think he's above errors himself that others can't point out? That's the real hypocrisy.

Emusan:


Point it out.



I don't remember I ever claim you're a problem to me.

Besides, I only quote A BIBLE TRANSLATION what I provided above aren't my word, so how can I twist it?



If don't believe what Paul says i won't be here.

Rather it's who cherry pick whatever suits you in what Paul wrote and called the rest ERROS.



That is why a good student of the scriptures will do more research to enlighten him/herself.

If the way KJV puts it is so difficult for you to understand we have many other versions that is available for better understanding.

I believe it's because of people like you we have EASY-TO READ VERSION (ERV) and other versions.

Here is how other translations put that verse:

ERV: The advice I have for the others is from me. The Lord did not give us any teaching about this. If you have a wife who is not a believer, you should not divorce her if she will continue to live with you.

EASY: To all you other people, I say this. (This is what I think. The Lord has not spoken about it.) A Christian man may have a wife who does not believe in Christ. If she agrees to continue living with him, then he should not send her away.

EXB: For ·all the others [the rest] I say this (I am saying this, not the Lord [C Jesus gave no instruction on this, but Paul still speaks with authority as an apostle]): If a ·Christian man [L brother] has a wife who is not a believer, and she is ·happy [content; willing] to live with him, he must not ·divorce [or leave] her.

MSG: For the rest of you who are in mixed marriages—Christian married to non-Christian—we have no explicit command from the Master. So this is what you must do.

And many more!

So because you read it from KJV or others that used the phrase "Not the Lord" then Paul is lying or what?

The issue Paul was addressing Jesus Christ never addressed it while on Earth, reason why Paul spoke that way and if Christ was not with what Paul wrote, He will correct him and won't have allowed him to pass such messages to his church.

Either you reject Paul in totality as not an Apostle of Christ with his teachings or you accept him.

Now, let me ask you, the issue that Paul addressed, which Christ never spoke about why on earth, how do you think can be handle by Christian without using Paul writings?

jesusjnr2020:
There's no need for too much talk with you because the King James Version is clear enough for even the blind to see and understand, so it's unless you have ulterior motives as the JW's that you will be seeking a warped translation that suits your antichrist agenda.

You're the one who has been accusing others of cherry-picking whatever suits them from Paul's teachings, so if you don't accept that this teaching of Paul was from him, not from God as he clearly stated, that you're nothing but a hypocrite!

Here is it again just incase you think you can dodge his teaching which exposes your ignorance that all Paul teachings were inspired of God.

I Corinthians 7:12 (KJV)

But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

By the way, it's not only ignorant but also foolish to think that one must accept everything someone says or teaches, including any errors, just because the person is an apostle and was chosen by Jesus. That's one problem with the church today because being chosen of Christ or apostle of Christ doesn't make one inerrant, hence the embracing of many antichrist and man-made ideas and doctrines which has made the Word of God to be of little or no effect.

It's only Christ who is inerrant that deserves such total loyalty and adherence to His Words from those who are truly His followers, not anyone else. Not even Paul, unless he has taken the place of Christ in your life and is now your master and lord not Christ. Of course that's the truth with many Christians today, including yourself, even though you may deny that glaring fact.

sagenaija:
‭‭2 Timothy 3:16 NIV‬‬
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,

Kobojunkie:
Again, 1. No, because not all Paul's statements are of Jesus Christ. His claim, for instance, of being spiritual father to some is against Jesus Christ who instead said that the Father alone is Father to all in the Kingdom of God.

2. I don't know if Paul, even through all of the many mistakes highlighted in his letters, upheld God's Truth. I was not there with him almost 2000 years ago to see and then judge this for myself. Paul lived in the nation of Judah under the Old Law and his writings reveal he struggled with completely separating himself(opinions included) from the weight of the Old Law same as the some of the other apostles like Peter and James may have as well. To adopt Jesus Christ in full, one is required to let go of all former beliefs and traditions, and from the contents of the many letters he supposedly wrote, I think Paul struggled the most with doing just that.

Paul to this day waits in his grave to be judged by Jesus Christ. My duty as a servant of Jesus Christ is to do as my master has decreed and not as Paul or anyone else did.

Kobojunkie:
The lies of Satan equally documented in Scripture included.

P.S. For your own good, do not assume all Scripture to be truth or you run into problem of accepting the words of Satan as truth.

Kobojunkie:
The lies of Satan equally documented in Scripture included.

** When paul wrote his letter to Timothy, his own words were not included as part of Scripture. The sole reason you lot consider Paul's letters a part of what you now know as Scripture is thanks to the Catholic Church.

P.S. For your own good, do not assume all Scripture to be truth or you run into problem of accepting the words of Satan as truth.

Aemmyjah:


American Standard Version
looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
While we look for the blessed hope and the revelation of the glory of The Great God and Our Lifegiver, Yeshua The Messiah,


New American Bible
as we await the blessed hope, the appearance of the glory of the great God and of our savior Jesus Christ,

MaxInDHouse:


while we wait for the happy hope and glorious manifestation of the great God and of our Savior, Jesus Christ,

Oya nah prove you people are Jesus' worshipers by acting on his prayer to God @ John 17:22
If all of you are worshipers of the same God let the oneness be known by agreeing on what your God prayed for!

Steep:

Is it the father or Jesus that is appearing?

MaxInDHouse:


When God told Moses:

‭‭Exodus‬ ‭3:7‭-‬8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

The Lord said, “I have indeed seen the misery of my people in Egypt. I have heard them crying out because of their slave drivers, and I am concerned about their suffering. So I have come down to rescue them from the hand of the Egyptians and to bring them up out of that land into a good and spacious land, a land flowing with milk and honey—the home of the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites. Exodus 3:7-8

Who did the Pharaoh of Egypt saw as the one coming in the name of God? Exodus 7:1

Steep:
see how you are dribbling yourself.
Simple question
Is it the father or Jesus that is appearing?
So where did yahweh say he will appear to Pharaoh?

MaxInDHouse:

Guy God told Moses not Pharaoh just as God is using the Bible to talk to His own people not everyone.
For your information God declared that Moses will stand before Pharaoh as God while Aaron will act as the prophet {Exodus 7:1} that's why God told Moses that another prophet will arise among the Israelites like Moses who served as God and prophet at the same time! Deuteronomy 18:18

Steep:
Do you agree with Paul when he called Jesus "our great God and saviour"?
Lol Jehovah false witness reject Paul's teaching just like other antichrist.

Aemmyjah:
Olodo
I spent 19 years in Ibadan and not understand the language of the land i grew up?

Poor interpretation of the Bible

just as you said John 1;1 meant, before the world began, the Word was 😂

It's just hate and envy that is disturbing you Cos of someone's wife as you yourself said

Hope and glory was mentioned together. They did not mean the same thing
Jesus and God are not same

You're the one confusing yourself
Jesus is God
Jesus is son of God
Jesus is equal to God
Jesus is God incarnate

Head de worry you

jesusjnr2020:
There's no need for too much talk with you because the King James Version is clear enough for even the blind to see and understand, so it's unless you have ulterior motives as the JW's that you will be seeking a warped translation that suits your antichrist agenda.

You're the one who has been accusing others of cherry-picking whatever suits them from Paul's teachings, so if you don't accept that this teaching of Paul was from him, not from God as he clearly stated, that you're nothing but a hypocrite!

Here is it again just incase you think you can dodge his teaching which exposes your ignorance that all Paul teachings were inspired of God.

I Corinthians 7:12 (KJV)

But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

By the way, it's not only ignorant but also foolish to think that one must accept everything someone says or teaches, including any errors, just because the person is an apostle and was chosen by Jesus.

That's one problem with the church today because being chosen of Christ or apostle of Christ doesn't make one inerrant, hence the embracing of many antichrist and man-made ideas and doctrines which has made the Word of God to be of little or no effect.

It's only Christ who is inerrant that deserves such total loyalty and adherence to His Words from those who are truly His followers, not anyone else. Not even Paul, unless he has taken the place of Christ in your life and is now your master and lord not Christ. Of course that's the truth with many Christians today, including yourself, even though you may deny that glaring fact.

Kei144:


2Pe. 3:15 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote to you with the wisdom that God gave him.
2Pe. 3:16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

People should not dabble into what is greater than them. Apostle Suleiman, or any other pastor for that matter, should not be deceived by small popularity and having a fairly large congregation into thinking that they now know all about the mystery of godliness. How many people know that man was the reason why one third of God's angels rebelled against God? Man started out as a highly evolved mammal (animal). Then one day God said to His angels, "Let us make man into our image (Ge. 1:26). Through an angel, God breathed into man His Holy Spirit and man became a living soul (Ge. 2:7). At this point the angels realized the immensity of what God had done. A living soul can continually grow towards the level of God and can also decay towards the level of ordinary animal. Angels became afraid that man could grow above their level; they assumed that god is playing favoritism against them. One third of God's angels, led by Lucifer, rebelled against God.

How could man grow to the level of God? That was the subject of Satan's temptation of Adam (Ge. 3:1-5). God had already made provision for the soul of man to grow by planting the tree of life in the Garden of Eden. The fruit of the tree of life makes the soul of man to grow. The tree is not physical anyway, but spiritual. The tree of life is the Spirit of God. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is the spirit of Satan. The fruit of the tree of life is made up of words that came out of the mouth of God. Satan mudered man by telling man that the way to become like God is by turning away from God's word.

Jn. 8:44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Mt. 4:4 Jesus answered, “It is written: `Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’“ [Deut. 8:3]

Satan tempted Jesus the way he tempted Adam by feeding him with lies (Mt. 4:3-11), but Jesus rebuffed all of Satan's lies with words of God. Jesus overcame Satan by the word of God.

Ph. 2:5 Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
Ph. 2:6 Who, being in very nature [Or in the form of] God, did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
Ph. 2:7 but made himself nothing, taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.
Ph. 2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient to death — even death on a cross!
Ph. 2:9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name,
Ph. 2:10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
Ph. 2:11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.


God has made Jesus Christ to be sitting on the throne with Him in heaven. No other being sits on the throne with God. [s]Contrary to what most Christian believe, Jesus actually started out as a pure human being, just like Adam, and grew in the Spirit to the level of God.[/s]

Re. 4:5 From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings and peals of thunder. Before the throne, seven lamps were blazing. These are the seven spirits [Or the sevenfold Spirit] of God.

Re. 5:6 Then I saw a Lamb, looking as if it had been slain, standing in the centre of the throne, encircled by the four living creatures and the elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits [Or the sevenfold Spirit] of God sent out into all the earth.


In Re. 4:5, we see the Holy Spirit of God. The Almighty is the emitter of the Holy Spirit. In Re. 5:6, we see the Lord Jesus Christ with seven eyes (receivers of the Holy Spirit). Even though the Almighty is the emitter of the Holy Spirit wave, the Lord Jesus Christ can communicate with everywhere through the sevenfold spirit of God. The Almighty has made him God in every way. However, note that the Almighty is the emitter and Jesus Christ is only the receiver.

I recommend this thread for you:

https://www.nairaland.com/8008178/power-son-god-indeed

Steep:
you have deviated.
Is The father or Jesus that will appear?

Kei144:
■ People should not dabble into what is greater than them. Apostle Suleiman, or any other pastor for that matter, should not be deceived by small popularity and having a fairly large congregation into thinking that they now know all about the mystery of godliness. How many people know that man was the reason why one third of God's angels rebelled against God? Man started out as a highly evolved mammal (animal). Then one day God said to His angels, "Let us make man into our image (Ge. 1:26). Through an angel, God breathed into man His Holy Spirit and man became a living soul (Ge. 2:7). At this point the angels realized the immensity of what God had done. A living soul can continually grow towards the level of God and can also decay towards the level of ordinary animal. Angels became afraid that man could grow above their level; they assumed that god is playing favoritism against them. One third of God's angels, led by Lucifer, rebelled against God.
■ How could man grow to the level of God? That was the subject of Satan's temptation of Adam (Ge. 3:1-5). God had already made provision for the soul of man to grow by planting the tree of life in the Garden of Eden. The fruit of the tree of life makes the soul of man to grow. The tree is not physical anyway, but spiritual. The tree of life is the Spirit of God. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil is the spirit of Satan. The fruit of the tree of life is made up of words that came out of the mouth of God. Satan mudered man by telling man that the way to become like God is by turning away from God's word.
■ Satan tempted Jesus the way he tempted Adam by feeding him with lies (Mt. 4:3-11), but Jesus rebuffed all of Satan's lies with words of God. Jesus overcame Satan by the word of God.God has made Jesus Christ to be sitting on the throne with Him in heaven. No other being sits on the throne with God. Contrary to what most Christian believe, Jesus actually started out as a pure human being, just like Adam, and grew in the Spirit to the level of God.
In Re. 4:5, we see the Holy Spirit of God. The Almighty is the emitter of the Holy Spirit. In Re. 5:6, we see the Lord Jesus Christ with seven eyes (receivers of the Holy Spirit). Even though the Almighty is the emitter of the Holy Spirit wave, the Lord Jesus Christ can communicate with everywhere through the sevenfold spirit of God. The Almighty has made him God in every way. However, note that the Almighty is the emitter and Jesus Christ is only the receiver. I recommend this thread for you:

Expanse2020:

No be today we de tell una say Paul doctrine different with the Jesus own...
See the problem don come and apostle Sulaman don finally caught him

Expanse2020:
No be today we de tell una say Paul doctrine different with the Jesus own...
See the problem don come and apostle Sulaman don finally caught him

Kobojunkie:

Wow.... Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant/Will/Testament, a testament when He concluded when He declared "It is finished," on the cross, proclaiming His Word Everlasting ---Unchanging-- before He left the earth. But religion would not have that at all

MaxInDHouse:

Who appeared to Pharaoh?