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Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:51am On Feb 22 |
Steep:Who promised to go down to Egypt and free the Israelites? Exodus 3:7-8 And who did Pharaoh and his People saw doing these things? Exodus 7:1 |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Dtruthspeaker: 7:29am On Feb 22 |
Expanse2020: And no be today i don tell una say Paul.dey giive una free law shool class and everything wey e talk na wetin Jesus talk and The Commandment talk. Obviously no christian lawyer don ever dey if not una for don see.and remember say.Paul na lawyer, hence why Peter bin tell you say hin teaching na only "learned" people fit understand. 2 Peter 3:16 |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by jesusjnr2020(m): 7:55am On Feb 22 |
Emusan:The King James version is the best and most accurate translation of the ancient texts of both old testament and new testament of the Bible, so for you to be desperately seeking other translations of the Bible in an attempt to dodge what is clearly stated there and needs no further explanation, shows that you cherry-pick what to believe in Paul's teachings. It obviously contradicts and exposes the gross error of your belief that all of Paul's teachings were inspired of God, that why you're trying to dodge it by all possible means, even though Paul himself clearly stated it there. I Corinthians 7:12 (KJV) But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away. The bolded needed no further explanation, hence why most other translations of this verse didn't see the need to change it, but for the few warped translations you desperately searched out which didn't still exonorate you, but just made the clear saying ambiguous, which was enough encouragement for you to think you can twist it to escape from that saying which clearly exposes your hypocrisy and erroneous beliefs. Tomorrow you will start accusing the JW's of the same, but here you are doing exactly the same thing to prove you're no different from them but just a fellow hypocrite. Also you keep ignorantly saying why Jesus didn't correct him as if Jesus was here in person while Paul was preaching, so you would know when Jesus corrects or corrected him. At least you know Jesus severally corrected and rebuked (the erroneous teachings and beliefs of) His apostles after He chose them while He was here on Earth, to prove that even though He chose them, they're not inerrant and not all they say or teach was inspired of God as you blindly believe. Matthew 16:23. And please stop continuously contradicting or lying to yourself that you never said any human is infallible or inerrant, because if you believe and repeatedly keep saying the teachings of apostle Paul cannot possibly have errors, it is tantamount to believing or saying he is inerrant or infallible. If you believe he is fallible, then the same goes for his teachings. You cannot eat your cake and still have it so stop this confusion please. I believe only Christ is inerrant and consequently His teachings, hence why I distinguish His teachings from those of the apostles, which i believe could contain errors since they're not inerrant as Christ was. |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Steep(m): 8:31am On Feb 22 |
MaxInDHouse:So where in these verses below did yahweh promise to go down to Egypt or appear to Pharaoh? I am waiting. Exodus 3:7 And the LORD said, I have surely seen the affliction of my people which are in Egypt, and have heard their cry by reason of their taskmasters; for I know their sorrows; 3:8 And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites. 1 Like |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by GreatAchiever1: 8:57am On Feb 22 |
jesusjnr2020: Says you and other KJV onlyist group of companies.
Have you tried to understand why an Apostle will say such. The context is about marriage and in the case of verse 12, divorce. Now what did Jesus teach about divorce, Mt. 5:32; 19:9; Mk. 10:11; Lu. 16:18. Paul here is extending this to an unbelievable spouse, this does not mean it's his own personal opinion. This is something that is in line with what Christ taught on divorce and him (Paul) acknowledges that he teaches under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit as he closes the subject matter on 1 Cor 7: 40.
You just pick 1 verse taken out of context to support your erroneous claim. A simple reading will tell you the Peter rebuking what Christ said in Matt 16:21, means that scripture wouldn't be fulfilled if that happened hence Jesus response in Matt 16:23. Now ask yourself when Jesus said that to Apostle Peter, has Christ Ascended to Heaven and sent to them the Holy Spirit as He said He will, who will teach them all things John 14:26.
Nobody is saying that the Apostle Paul or any other Apostle chosen by God is infallible. What we are saying is that the bible itself is infallible and inerrant. The words of Apostle Paul and others written in the Scriptures are written by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit -rejecting them is rejecting God. No one except Jesus is infallible because no one lived a righteous life without sin. 1 Like |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:45am On Feb 22 |
Steep: The highlighted answered your question! Did He come down to save Israelites in Egypt or sent a representative (Moses) who served as God before Pharaoh? Exodus 7:1 So when God Almighty promised to come and end all badness of course it's His Son who will represent Him as Chief executioner not God Himself! Revelations 19:11-16 |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Steep(m): 10:32am On Feb 22 |
MaxInDHouse:Where did yahweh promised to go down to Egypt? Jesus is the one who will appear and Paul called him our great God and saviour. |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Emusan(m): 10:54am On Feb 22 |
For you to keep dodging my questions shows how dishonest you are. jesusjnr2020: So funny of you. You're ignorant to think what KJV says is different from what those other translations say in that verse. Both are saying the same thing just that your level of comprehension is to low for that. It obviously contradicts and exposes the gross error of your belief that all of Paul's teachings were inspired of God, that why you're trying to dodge it by all possible means, even though Paul himself clearly stated it there. Yes all Paul teachings are inspired that you lack understanding of it isn't anybody's fault. That's why I asked you, how will you have addressed those issues Paul addressed considering the fact that Jesus didn't address them? Tomorrow you will start accusing the JW's of the same, but here you are doing exactly the same thing to prove you're no different from them but just a fellow hypocrite. Whatever I say about jws I support it with scriptures I just don't counter people just on my own opinions. Just as I'm doing with you right now by providing different translations to buttress my point. And you can't still counter it by providing your own evidence. Also you keep ignorantly saying why Jesus didn't correct him as if Jesus was here in person while Paul was preaching, so you would know when Jesus corrects or corrected him. At least you know Jesus severally corrected and rebuked (the erroneous teachings and beliefs of) His apostles after He chose them while He was here on Earth, to prove that even though He chose them, they're not inerrant and not all they say or teach was inspired of God as you blindly believe. Matthew 16:23. But before Jesus ascended, he told His disciples that He has many things to say to them which they can't bear now but that The Holy Spirit will come and GUIDE THEM INTO all TRUTH. Your first spiritual weakness is to think UNTIL JESUS IS PRESENT PHYSICALLY then He will correct His apostles when Jesus already gave guidelines on how event will turn before ascending. Just like I ask and you keep dodging, if Paul is teaching errors who is in best place to point it out, You or Christ? Do you think Christ will fold hands and allow Paul to be teaching errors which in other ways leading people astray? Saying Paul teaching contains errors means Paul actually led millions astray because an erroneous messages mean unacceptable message by God, do you agree with this? And please stop continuously contradicting or lying to yourself that you never said any human is infallible or inerrant, because if you believe and repeatedly keep saying the teachings of apostle Paul cannot possibly have errors, it is tantamount to believing or saying he is inerrant or infallible. If you believe he is fallible, then the same goes for his teachings. You cannot eat your cake and still have it so stop this confusion please. Yes I never said any human is infallible, you can provide anywhere you caught me saying that. Yes Paul's teaching can't contains errors because Paul was personally chosen by Christ Himself and I don't believe Christ will allow Paul to mislead people through his teachings. I believe only Christ is inerrant and consequently His teachings, hence why I distinguish His teachings from those of the apostles, which i believe could contain errors since they're not inerrant as Christ was. But were the apostles under the control and guidance of God's Holy spirit? Can Holy Spirit teach errors? I leave these questions to you if you like answer them or not. 1 Like |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Aemmyjah(m): 12:22pm On Feb 22 |
Emusan: John 1:1 associated Jesus having a beginning He is before all things But he's not before God, his father ans creator |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Aemmyjah(m): 12:23pm On Feb 22 |
Steep: Same Paul wrote that this Jesus will never be seen again. The appearance there is figurative - literal in the spiritual sense |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Emusan(m): 12:45pm On Feb 22 |
Aemmyjah: See ignorance in play So BEGINNING is not part of ALL THINGS. At least you agreed that He is BEFORE ALL THINGS. But he's not before God, his father ans creator How can Jesus BEFORE HIS FATHER? Since you agreed that Jesus is BEFORE ALL THINGS means Jesus is the Creator because ONLY GOD is BEFORE ALL THINGS. Reason why the Father also called Himself 'The Beginning" That is why your fraud organisation trying to change the narrative by inserting the word 'OTHER' multiple times in that Col 1:17-18 because of its implication if they agree that Jesus is actually BEFORE ALL THINGS. Well, the truth is Col 1:18 still uphold Jesus as "The Beginning" Well, glory be to God watchtower isn't in charge of manuscripts they'd have changed many things just to support their demonic doctrines. I'm happy to announce to you that the word OTHER has no place in Greek manuscripts. 1 Like |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Emusan(m): 12:54pm On Feb 22 |
Aemmyjah: If figurative was not used maybe the blindfolding could have fell off 1 Like |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:57pm On Feb 22 |
Steep: @ Exodus 3:8 God promised to go down to Egypt and rescue the Israelites! Jesus is the one coming in God's name just as Moses was the God who appeared before the enemies of God's people in Egypt! Exodus 7:1 |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Steep(m): 4:42pm On Feb 22 |
MaxInDHouse:Typical of Jehovah false witness liars. you are nothing but a liar. Why is it hard for you to show me the verse, where yahweh said he will go down to Egypt? I have busted your lies. 1 Like |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by MaxInDHouse(m): 4:57pm On Feb 22 |
Steep: Do you have Exodus 3:8 in your copy of the Bible? |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Emusan(m): 5:17pm On Feb 22 |
MaxInDHouse: This is Exo 3:8 where did God say He will go to Egypt? CEV: and I have come down to rescue them from the Egyptians. I will bring my people out of Egypt into a country where there is a lot of good land, rich with milk and honey. I will give them the land where the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites now live. KJV: And I am come down to deliver them out of the hand of the Egyptians, and to bring them up out of that land unto a good land and a large, unto a land flowing with milk and honey; unto the place of the Canaanites, and the Hittites, and the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites. NLT: So I have come down to rescue them from the power of the Egyptians and lead them out of Egypt into their own fertile and spacious land. It is a land flowing with milk and honey—the land where the Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites now live. 1 Like |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:22pm On Feb 22 |
Emusan: Come down to rescue..... from the hands or powers of Egypt! |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Aemmyjah(m): 5:33pm On Feb 22 |
Emusan: De play Jesus mentioned he has someone greater than he is He's not before that one Besides, do you translate Greek version word for word |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Aemmyjah(m): 5:33pm On Feb 22 |
Emusan: Nowhere did the father call himself the beginning De cap nonsense |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Kobojunkiee: 5:34pm On Feb 22 |
GreatAchiever1:So basically Paul added words into the EVERLASTING WORD of Jesus Christ which pertains only to those who are born-again for those who are not? And somehow that which is against/contradicts Jesus Christ —changing His Everlasting WOrd to include that which Jesus Christ never allowed to begin with — is in line with Jesus Christ? Why is it that religion is ever saying the most illogical of things yet expecting people to accept it as being of God? |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Kobojunkiee: 5:37pm On Feb 22 |
GreatAchiever1:Your Bible is infallible yet it contains contradictory idea after idea? Do you even begin to understand what the word Infallible means? P.S. Paul, in his letter to Timothy, did not say that your bible is infallible. Rather, what Paul said is that every word in Scripture that predates His letters, by the way, is inspired by God who owns all knowledge of Good and Evil. Those words do not mean the same things at all. |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Emusan(m): 6:39pm On Feb 22 |
Aemmyjah: Kai and you will be calling yourself a literate person. What is the meaning of 'Alpha'? Why do you think watchtower is trying to make it sound that Jesus didn't call Himself 'Alpha and Omega's in Revelation? You must learn in hard way |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by GreatAchiever1: 6:42pm On Feb 22 |
Kobojunkiee:Infallible in simple terms means without error. And no the bible doesn't contradict but explain itself. Scripture interprets scripture, it doesn't contradict itself.
So hence according to you and some others; Scripture includes old testament and the Gospels. 1 Like |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Emusan(m): 6:44pm On Feb 22 |
Aemmyjah: Very clear and nobody argues that He's not before that one Nobody said this as well But the scripture does say Jesus is BEFORE ALL THINGS And Only THE Creator is BEFORE ALL THINGS Besides, do you translate Greek version word for word Per as a scholar 1 Like |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by GreatAchiever1: 6:47pm On Feb 22 |
Kobojunkiee: How does it contradict? Explain. 1 Like |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Emusan(m): 6:53pm On Feb 22 |
MaxInDHouse: This was your previous statement: @ Exodus 3:8 Which implies GOD HIMSELF and the reason @Steep asked you to show him where it was stated. But reading that verse it shows that God CAME DOWN as in appeared to Moses, that is why it was put as 'I have come down' Present Perfect Tense Should we begin English class on that? |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Kobojunkiee: 6:56pm On Feb 22 |
GreatAchiever1:1. But there are records in the book which are of obvious error. So, how can you claim that the book is without error if there are erroneous recordings contained in it? 2. The book itself does not speak but the characters in the various books are recorded to have contradicted the Word of God on several occasions. So how can it be said that there are no contradictions contained within the pages of the book then? 3. Scripture interprets Scripture? What in the world does that even begin to mean? Could you be less ambiguous in the claims you make so I can better understand you abeg? 4. Not according to me but according to what we know of the time in question. Paul's letters were included in the compilation that is your bible at least 2 hundred years after he wrote his letter to Timothy and the churches. When Paul wrote his letter to Timothy, what he regarded scripture obviously did not include his letters. |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Kobojunkiee: 6:59pm On Feb 22 |
GreatAchiever1:Jesus Christ declaring His Word everlasting means no man has power or authority to add or remove or change any of that which He declared. He is God's Law after all. And it is against God to add, change, or remove from His Law. According to you, Paul extended(changed) that which Jesus Christ previously declared to include His ideas. So, do you not see how what you accuse Paul of doing stands in direct violation of Jesus Christ? |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by GreatAchiever1: 7:08pm On Feb 22 |
Kobojunkiee:Proof. How do they contradict? It is evident throughout the bible but let me tell you so you can see what I mean. In most bible there is a reason why there are footnote texts in almost every verse; it's not for fancy, but an example of how scripture can interprete scripture. Why was the text written by the Prophets of God regarded as old testament scripture? 1 Like |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Emusan(m): 7:13pm On Feb 22 |
Kobojunkiee: Do you believe the same Christ when He said this? "12 I have much more to say to you, but right now it would be more than you could understand. 13 The Spirit shows what is true and will come and guide you into the full truth. The Spirit doesn't speak on his own. He will tell you only what he has heard from me, and he will let you know what is going to happen. 14 The Spirit will bring glory to me by taking my message and telling it to you." Did Jesus actually fulfill His promises? Did Holy Spirit actually receive Jesus messages and delivered them to the Apostles? 1 Like |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by GreatAchiever1: 7:17pm On Feb 22 |
Kobojunkiee: There is no change nor contradiction, the text here is a believing spouse with an unbelieving spouse, a different situation but with the same teaching. |
Re: Apostle Suleman Attacks Apostle Paul by Kobojunkiee: 7:20pm On Feb 22 |
GreatAchiever1:The following errors are found in the same book which you claim is without error. ■ In that count how many fighting men were found in Israel? |
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