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The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by gforce5: 4:54pm On Feb 26 |
I had a conversation with pansophist, Tenzagent and Gerrard a few days ago about the ease of traveling within the West/developed world and the poor state of the Nigerian passport. As an Immigration lawyer, I help clients to process their documents and give them immigration advice. What got to me is that as a Nigerian, you need to have a certain amount of money just to get a visa... Take the British High Commission for example. You need to show proof of a decent bank account for the pass 6 months in order for them to process your visa. In most embassies, you need to show proof that you have good "ties" to your country. Just think about it. You need to prove that you are very comfortable in order to obtain a visa. Meanwhile, Freddy based in Ipswich, England, with no money in his account, can travel to Spain or Morocco with only his passport and the total price for a return ticket is 100 pounds ![]() ![]() ![]() As yourself why a British Airways flight ticket from London to Lagos costs about $2000 for a six hour flight while a flight ticket from London to New York is about $600 if you book in advance. A flight ticket from Lagos to London is the same amount as a flight ticket from London to Johannesburg. This is despite the fact that a flight from London to Jo'berg is 10 hours. So when I see Nigerians brag that all you need is money to enjoy Nigeria. If you need to be rich just to enjoy the basics of life then you live in a third world country. If you need to be very comfortable in order to travel for holiday, then it says a lot about your country. 13 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by tensazangetsu20(m): 5:01pm On Feb 26 |
I dont understand why flight tickets are expensive in Nigeria. A one way flight ticket from Santiago to New york is around 350000 CLP which comes to around 353 USD. You can get tickets within chile itself for equivalent of 10 to 30 USD. The funny thing is that someone who works the worst minimum wage job in chile can afford to go to the US and he wont need a visa before a Nigerian bank manager who is earning millions of naira every month ![]() ![]() 9 Likes 3 Shares
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Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by Jogs1900: 6:06pm On Feb 26 |
Flying virgin or BA from London to Lagos is from £700 One of the reasons for the high cost of flight ticket is high tax. The exchange rate is part of it too. 2 Likes 1 Share
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Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by pansophist(m): 7:06pm On Feb 26 |
Not only do Nigerian need visa to all places, Nigerian passport also needs transit visa. If Burundi, the poorest nation on earth don't need a transit visa through UK/Schengen, then why Nigerians? This situation is just bad, as in, very bad. For example nigerian passport don't need a visa to visit Barbados, but it's impossible to visit it since you must transit through the UK, and you must apply for a transit visa first. 6 Likes |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by pansophist(m): 7:08pm On Feb 26 |
lastkingsman: I wonder why Nigerians ain't trooping to places like ivory Coast. Ivory coast is just like Nigeria of the 70's where things actually work. And with your money, you can give yourself a very comfortable life. It's peaceful, secure, stable electricity, and a currency that doesn't loose value, since it's pegged to the Euro. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by pansophist(m): 7:10pm On Feb 26 |
Gforce5, I once flew from Warsaw to Tenerife with Ryanair, for less than 50euros. It was a six hours flight. Same flight time it takes from London to Lagos. Meanwhile, it will be at least 500 pounds for such a trip between Lagos and London. Imagine that 5 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by pansophist(m): 7:12pm On Feb 26 |
If you combine the economies of all the 23 countries Nigerians don't need a visa to, tiny Belgium that Niger state is bigger than at least twice has a larger economy that all of them. Yes it's that bad 5 Likes |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by HellVictorinho6(m): 7:47pm On Feb 26 |
pansophist: U can see that guy laughing tinz cant improve with such people over here they do it till they reach the senate like akpabio....laughing carelessly. i dont believe in any of the parties tho, not even LP. If they cant allow poor people like me represent them,then 4get it Anyway, can u help me with 3k? |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by lastkingsman: 8:28pm On Feb 26 |
pansophist: Language barrier, my people (igbo people) get small base for Abidjan sha ![]() |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by Karleb(m): 9:37pm On Feb 26 |
The only thing people enjoy about being rich in Nigeria is the exclusivity that comes with it. You have a range rover and you can't enjoy a ride in your street. If the road isn't bad, it is filled with unnecessary bumps. It's better to be average in a rich and sabe country than to be rich in Nigeria. 6 Likes |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by Suspectzero(m): 6:11am On Feb 27 |
I mean they put such barriers for Nigerian citizens because of the state of the Country and the very high likelihood of Nigerians overstaying their Visas as continues to happen even with the barriers. They know the country is a giant shit hole and its Citizens are desperate to escape for functional 21st Century societies. Even the bankers and M.Ds in Nigeria will give it all up to be Citizens of First world Countries. It makes perfect sense. 1 Like |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by ednut1(m): 6:55am On Feb 27 |
Freddy would not overstay his visa and will go back home. The likes of wale were given visa severally in the past and didn’t return hence the scrutiny. Flight is also cheaper elsewhere because they have air traffic. See flight radar as at now lol. See as Africa empty. Like gerrard usually says poor nations like ours should know their place . 9 Likes 4 Shares
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Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by Gerrard59(m): 8:14am On Feb 27 |
ednut1: Poverty is bad. ![]() Those pictures are a perfect snapshot that Africa is poor. Where is MT who was doing Agbado analysis about how Africans are richer than Europeans? ![]() ![]() 4 Likes |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by Gerrard59(m): 8:18am On Feb 27 |
As I have written here: Gerrard59: Gerrard59: Everything is economics. As black Africans, we are too poor, and very poor to be arrogant at the same time. That is my annoyance with Nigerian netizens - poor yet proudly arrogant and terribly ignorant. Effects of inhaling generator fumes and sweating at the same time. Bad combo. With the support for the seizure of private businesses and socialist policies, the poverty will soar. The future get as e. 10 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by CaveAdullam: 9:51am On Feb 27 |
Gerrard59: I do say it that regardless of the means or source of wealth, rich people or well-to-do people are well-behaved and mannered than poor people. Research even has it that people born with silver spoons are more empathic than people who grew from grass to grace. Once a poor man will tend to act like a goat on large doses of methamphetamine. The working of the mentality of the rich and poor greatly differs. You'd expect the poor man to be sound in character, honest, and reputable, however, that's not the case. The worst form of misbehavior, belligerence, and arrogance is quotidian among poor people. Their sense of grandiosity launches into space. This doesn't need to be argued. Visiting poor and rich neighborhoods is the answer. Of course, money is expedient for the maintenance and running of daily affairs. But there are some things that don't require money at all. You don't need money to talk politely and approach and interact with people in soft tones and coordinated manners. Make your surroundings clean. The only time poor people tend to behave is when they are in the midst of rich folks or forceful people like them. Their behavior is either to act as a sycophant or ingratiate or pretend to follow. Their normal behavior is how they interact with their fellow colleagues. What's even mind-blowing is that poor people look down on other poor people. This very sad phenomenon is mostly observed and practiced by women; black women especially. They ratio you according to your appearance and how much you will gonna spend or throw away. Meanwhile, they have nothing and lack everything from material to immaterial values. This obnoxiousness is largely witnessed among the black population worldwide. Poor people who should rather shut up and follow the orders of well-refined society will try to bring it down by screaming r@cism, DEI blah blah blah nonsense. Meanwhile, their murmuring is due to the fact that they can't maintain order, and can't concentrate for long because their mindset has been calibrated to accept chaos. The stupidest amongst them will always clamor to say "In Nigeria/Africa, you're free to do whatever you like..." because their minds have been configured to accept disorder and depravity as the conventional way of living. And also because they can go scot-free. Yeah. Where there's no law, there's no transgression. How can someone be poor, dumb, stupid, loud, and arrogant baffles me daily. I don't seem to understand such a state of being. They are so dumb that they are very proud of their characteristics and can't even fathom if there's any need for change. Definitely, change can't happen because those lost in sentiments will find introspection as migraine-inducing. Thanks. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by gforce5: 10:40am On Feb 27 |
I know! Nigerians don't understand that they are being ripped off big time. My last trip to New York from London (2018), my return ticket was about $400. It cost that much because I bought my ticket at the last minute. I didn't even carry my Nigerian passport as I am part of the visa waiver program ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() pansophist: 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by gforce5: 10:46am On Feb 27 |
Yep! I only fly BA if i don't have any other choice. It's a scam. You pay so much just for economy not even premium economy. They need to do something about the tax rate. It shouldn't cost this much for a 6 hour journey. Jogs1900: 1 Like |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by gforce5: 10:50am On Feb 27 |
This is my grouse with the average Nigerian. Poor and very arrogant. We make so much noise for no reason. Nigerians looove to overestimate their importance in global affairs/politics. Gerrard59: |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by gforce5: 10:55am On Feb 27 |
Kai. Whenever I'm on the plane and I see that, I scratch my head. Africa is really an underdeveloped continent. It pisses me off when I see Nigerians comparing themselves to countries like Brazil, Chile, Turkey or the west. It's just delusions of grandeur. How can Nigerians believe that their country is better than Brazil or Argentina? How? ednut1: 5 Likes |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by tensazangetsu20(m): 10:59am On Feb 27 |
gforce5: Lol Nigerians even believe that Nigeria is better than Mexico ![]() ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by pansophist(m): 11:40am On Feb 27 |
Gerrard59: Someone actually did such analysis? That Africans are richer than Europeans? ![]() 5 Likes |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by pansophist(m): 11:41am On Feb 27 |
Gerrard59: Naija no dey carry last lol ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by gforce5: 1:29pm On Feb 27 |
It's mad bro! We often say that Americans are very ignorant about countries outside the U.S. At least they have an excuse. What's ours? How can you compare Nigeria to Mexico? A country with one of the strongest passports in the world? A country with one of the best transport systems in Latin America?They just assume that Mexico is all about drugs and illegal immigration. Mexicans don't need a visa to Canada for crying out loud. The same Canada that has a very high rejection rate for Nigerian visa applicants ![]() tensazangetsu20: 1 Like |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by gforce5: 1:50pm On Feb 27 |
Nigerians need a transit visa to travel anywhere. It's messed up. Just look up the visa policies for most countries in the world and you will realize how crap that Nigerian passport is. Most countries require Nigerian passport holders to not only have a visa but also a transit visa. A few years ago, I was on my way back to Naija from South Korea via Ethihad. My flight arrived very early in the morning (5am) and my connecting flight wasn't until 10pm in the evening. Since I didn't need a transit visa, I just left the airport, lodged at a nearby hotel, and went into town (Abu Dhabi). The other Nigerians from the same flight were stuck in the airport as they didn't have a transit visa ![]() pansophist: 2 Likes |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by pansophist(m): 2:10pm On Feb 27 |
gforce5: This thing honestly makes me sad. I'm not affected by it but it pains me really. If I was born ten years later, I know for sure that the buying power of my family would have reduced so bad, I won't even be able to leave that country. And many are being born today, without knowing the hardship that awaits them in the future, just due to the accident of birth, which is, to be born a Nigerian. 12 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by tensazangetsu20(m): 2:14pm On Feb 27 |
pansophist: When I was saying people should avoid procreation if they can't leave Nigeria, I was called a sadist. Now the funny thing is that Nigeria's population is expected to double in the next 30 years. I can't even imagine the unprecedented level of human suffering that will exist then. https://www.nairaland.com/6079537/cant-escape-africa-please-not 3 Likes |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by pansophist(m): 2:18pm On Feb 27 |
tensazangetsu20: Nigeria's population by 2100 is predicted to overtake China. India recently overtook China as the world most populois country. China's population is reducing due to joining the league of industrialized nation, while Nigeria's population will keep increasing on an extremely limited resources. There is a weird correlation between poor countries and high birth rate. The poorer the country, the more children people have, as well as the prevalence of polygamy. Nigeria is almost passing the time to save itself and prepare for this future. 9 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by pansophist(m): 2:23pm On Feb 27 |
If there is one thing I'm proud of, it's the fact that I've taken at least 10 of my family members out of Nigeria. This doesn't include strangers I don't know, for example the Finland thread on nairaland was opened by me far back in 2012, and hundreds have entered Europe through it. I'm referring to my close relatives. There is no way I'll allow the problem of Nigeria to affect them. I may not be able to change that country, but I can change those closer to me. Please if you are abroad and know the means to bring your family over please help them. Nigeria's problem right now is beyond the power of an individual. Everyone needs help 27 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by Jogs1900: 2:44pm On Feb 27 |
gforce5:I think the high tax rate is from Nigerian government.Ive heard people say that flight ticket is even cheaper in Benin Republic. |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by pansophist(m): 2:52pm On Feb 27 |
Jogs1900: Yes. You're right. Doing business is very expensive, and the government do everything possible to make life difficult. I fly often for Cotonou, and as at last year, I bought a direct return flight to Paris for 450euros. You can't get that in Nigeria. 4 Likes |
Re: The Poor State Of The Nigerian Passport And Nigeria As A Whole by Jogs1900: 3:02pm On Feb 27 |
pansophist:I think our government still sees air travel as a luxury.The local flights too are not spared in all these excess taxes.How do you do it from Cotonou and you aren't harrassed by their immigration?I may consider flying from Cotonou. |
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