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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by appini: 11:35am On Mar 10
This Pope nor send anybody....particularly America and her war mongering puppets around Europe.

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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by talkreal: 11:38am On Mar 10
GUNITGuy:

It's not about weapons here ....Both sides have the most lethal neither do we have the full information of the destructive weapons at their disposal....
Have you ever asked why the Richest people in America in particular are already building nuclear bunkers....They know the war id imminent now than they initially anticipated....

Germany had to start building its own army again ...
Look it's not a joke here .,..Russia has the capacity to hit the US hinterland from Space and Vice Versa....That's why they are careful in taking any war decision against Russia other than "Sanctions"

My point is, no one country can destroy the rest of the world no matter the amount nuclear or whatever form of weapons at its disposal. Adolf Hitler tried it but he failed. So what make you think that Putin will be able to achieve it or succeed?

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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by tctrills: 11:44am On Mar 10
Jovi10:



Russia is definitely making the right decision and will achieve all they said they would. It's USA , NATO, Ukraine and the EU that have made the wrong decisions to go to war with Russia.
Wrong
In trying to stop Ukraine from joining NATO. 2 stronger and richer nations have joined NATO. Please tell me how this is a win?
Let's not talk about the destruction of the Russian demography.
Please state what Russia has gained from the war so far, I am listening.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by GUNITGuy: 11:45am On Mar 10
talkreal:


My point is, no one country can destroy the rest of the world no matter the amount nuclear or whatever form of weapons at its disposal. Adolf Hitler tried it but he failed. So what make you think that Putin will be able to achieve it or succeed?
It's called Mutually Assured Destruction......Russia aren't afraid of loosing a war to NATo countries but those countries to get ready to go back to stone age without any reservations,....This has been echoed to countries like UK....They are not sending troops to cross the ocean to invade England like Hitler did in WW2 ...This time in a matter of 6 mins it's gone on both sides....

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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by AlphaSoul: 11:46am On Mar 10
Godszilla:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-says-ukraine-should-have-courage-white-flag-negotiations-2024-03-09/
Well said.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by GlobeTrotter2: 11:55am On Mar 10
humilitypays:
Ukraine didn't join NATO, they were not even close because the process is long and they haven't met some of the basic requirements.


The invasion of Ukraine by Russia was unjust.


If Ukraine had joined then it's a different thing. NATO kept assuring Russia that Ukraine wasn't going to join, even Turkey refused and Turkish President assured Putin that he wouldn't ratify Ukraine membership which meant Ukraine wasn't going to join.


Putin is a vampire, but many of you Muslims just love Putin and whatever senseless actions he takes just because you guys hate USA.


I am not talking about USA here, I am concerned about Ukraine, invading their sovereign land unprovoked on mere suspicion that they want to join NATO when some NATO strong members already assured you that they wouldn't ratify Ukraine's membership to NATO was the highest form of cruelty and inhumanity of man to fellow man, stop supporting evil please
you have been fed with alot of views from CNN. US said it fully on live tv by the Vice president. "We are ready to welcome Ukrain into NATO".

Putin is not a vampire
He just did what US would have done if it was in his shoes. He has repeatedly warned about this, US kept pushing. He even gave a peace favorable peace deal that Ukraine agreed to until Boris Johnson told them not to sign it.

As far as I'm concerned, zelenaky is the foolish porn who lead his people to war they can't win.

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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by tctrills: 12:00pm On Mar 10
YouAreNobody:


You're totally wrong. And don't say "the world", US and NATO are only 45% of countries in the world so they don't make up the world😃

If you check the early months of the war, Russia was advancing rapidly. They even made entreaties into Kiev but changed course. That wasn't a mistake. They don't want Ukraine to fall as western media would make you think. A totally inept Ukraine will be a load on Russia considering the fact that they share borders.
Also, this isn't a Ukraine - Russia war as you seem to think. This is a proxy way between Russia and NATO. Ukraine is only the battleground.

You say Russia had the choice of not going to war. Actually, this war should've started as far back as 2014 when Ukraine started hobnobbing with US and NATO despite the Minsk agreement.
Remember what caused the Cuban missiles crisis? It was this exactly scenario; Cuba and Russia were allies and when Russia wanted to build a missile base in Cuba, US invaded Cuba. The crazy thing is Cuba doesn't border US in any way except that it's close to the US mainland.

Contrary to what you think, this war has actually shown that Russia is far stronger than NATO expected. Even, despite all the sanctions (more than 200 from different countries so far) they've grown their economy by more than 14%. This is something unprecedented as economies are expected to retrogress during wartime. Even the US economy hasn't grown up to 3% since the past 3 years. This should tell you something 😀
Let's take it point by point.
1. Your first point about NATO being only 45% of the world adds no value to this argument. I stated that the world thought Russia would easily defeat Ukraine.
2 So far, almost all the gains Russia has made in the war were made in the first 3 months. They have lost more land area than they gained since after the first 6 months of the war.

Russia is fighting the poorest country in Europe and the support coming from the western countries is not up to 1% of their GDP.
If Ukraine can hold Russia with much less then 1% of the NATO nation's GDP, what more do you need to tell you that Russia is weaker than we all knew.
For example, the US has sent about $75 billion on Ukraine so far. That's about 0.3 of the US GDP and 10% of the US military budget.
Now this is what the US has given Ukraine in 2 years.
So work the maths, in one year, the US is spending less than 5% of it's military budget on Ukraine and Russia can achieve air superiority or dominant the battlefield.

Before 2022, Russia occupied 42,000 km2 (16,000 sq mi) of Ukrainian territory (Crimea, and parts of Donetsk and Luhansk), and occupied an additional 119,000 km2 (46,000 sq mi) after its full-scale invasion by March 2022, a total of 161,000 km2 (62,000 sq mi) or almost 27% of Ukraine's territory. By 11 November, the Institute for the Study of War calculated that Ukrainian forces had liberated an area of 74,443 km2 (28,743 sq mi) from Russian
occupation, leaving Russia with control of about 18% of Ukraine's territory.

Oga Russia is much weaker than we knew.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by GlobeTrotter2: 12:00pm On Mar 10
mrdan:


From this I can say that Russia was the one that showed the US the way to go about encircling your your enemy.
US learnt from Russia with the Cuba crisis issue and now they are doing the same back to Russia.
you really need to read history.

US deployed nukes in turkey and Italy. Solviet union deployed nukes in Cuba.

You guys should stop watching CNN really.

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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by godliman: 12:17pm On Mar 10
Jandminded:
Would Russia had invaded Ukraine if they had Nukes?

Why invade a country that didn't violate your country's territorial integrity?

Can Russia invade China assuming they decide to join NATO?

If it was Donbass region you wanted to help and secede, what took you to Kiev in the first place?

Ukraine should not gree for anybody, they have lost enough to just yield for free.

If Russia must win, let them win in a costly way.
I call him Bloodiman Putin. His cup will soon be full. Ukraine made the worst mistake of its life in giving up its nuke.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Amayabor1: 12:33pm On Mar 10
Jovi10:



Was cuba not a sovereign Nation? Why didn't USA allow them have a military alliance with the USSR too?

The US never prevented Cuba from having a military alliance with USSR. It almost degenerated to war when it was discovered that Russia was placing OFFENSIVE WEAPONS in Cuba while they were lying to the US that they wouldn't supply Cuba any weapons, and even if they do, it would be defensive weapons.

But truth be told, the US has more capacity than Russia. They have the economic and military might to not allow Russia to do in their backyard what they do in Russia's backyard.

Such is life! undecided
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by osayuking(m): 12:34pm On Mar 10
Jandminded:
Would Russia had invaded Ukraine if they had Nukes?

Why invade a country that didn't violate your country's territorial integrity?

Can Russia invade China assuming they decide to join NATO?

If it was Donbass region you wanted to help and secede, what took you to Kiev in the first place?

Ukraine should not gree for anybody, they have lost enough to just yield for free.

If Russia must win, let them win in a costly way.

You definitely have no clue on what is going on in Ukraine 🇺🇦.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Krismas(m): 12:35pm On Mar 10
Godszilla:

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/pope-says-ukraine-should-have-courage-white-flag-negotiations-2024-03-09/
grin Mumu

Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by JetApartment: 12:41pm On Mar 10
Jandminded:
Would Russia had invaded Ukraine if they had Nukes?

Why invade a country that didn't violate your country's territorial integrity?

Can Russia invade China assuming they decide to join NATO?

If it was Donbass region you wanted to help and secede, what took you to Kiev in the first place?

Ukraine should not gree for anybody, they have lost enough to just yield for free.

If Russia must win, let them win in a costly way.

Since you don't know the genesis of the war, shut up and stop displaying your ignorance online.

Ukraine wanted to join NATO (Russia's enemy) and you expect them to fold their arms, Ukraine is a border nation to Russia and no right thinking nation would want a friend to an enemy close to it's borders...sense is indeed not common and it is evident you have a shortage of it.

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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Jovi10: 1:07pm On Mar 10
Amayabor1:


The US never prevented Cuba from having a military alliance with USSR. It almost degenerated to war when it was discovered that Russia was placing OFFENSIVE WEAPONS in Cuba while they were lying to the US that they wouldn't supply Cuba any weapons, and even if they do, it would be defensive weapons.

But truth be told, the US has more capacity than Russia. They have the economic and military might to not allow Russia to do in their backyard what they do in Russia's backyard.

Such is life! undecided

Lmao so what's happening with Ukraine?
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Jovi10: 1:12pm On Mar 10
tctrills:

Wrong
In trying to stop Ukraine from joining NATO. 2 stronger and richer nations have joined NATO. Please tell me how this is a win?
Let's not talk about the destruction of the Russian demography.
Please state what Russia has gained from the war so far, I am listening.



Ukraine cannot join NATO.
The donbass region as almost been liberated and will be liberated, the ones in Russia s possession already will never return to Ukraine.
Russia's global influence has increased more than it ever was.
Russia's military might can be seen by the whole world.
EU nations have destroyed their economy as a result of trying to isolate Russia.
USA'S hegemony is coming to and end and nations now have the might and voice to respond to the USA either aggressively or verbally something that was impossible some years ago.

So Russia is on the winning side dude.

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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by ozoneboy(m): 1:18pm On Mar 10
Pope is talking trash,Let western countries help Ukraine,if not the brute will invade another country without nuke.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Amayabor1: 1:32pm On Mar 10
Jovi10:


Lmao so what's happening with Ukraine?

Did the US invade Cuba and seize it's territories after discovering USSR offensive Weapons there?
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by tctrills: 1:32pm On Mar 10
Jovi10:




Ukraine cannot join NATO.
The donbass region as almost been liberated and will be liberated, the ones in Russia s possession already will never return to Ukraine.
Russia's global influence has increased more than it ever was.
Russia's military might can be seen by the whole world.
EU nations have destroyed their economy as a result of trying to isolate Russia.
USA'S hegemony is coming to and end and nations now have the might and voice to respond to the USA either aggressively or verbally something that was impossible some years ago.

So Russia is on the winning side dude.

In trying to stop Ukraine from joining NATO, 2 stronger and rich countries have ended up joining NATO. To me that is foolish.

As for Russia winning the war, where did you get that from?
Here are some numbers to help you understand better.
Before 2022, Russia occupied 42,000 km2 (16,000 sq mi) of Ukrainian territory (Crimea, and parts of Donetsk and Luhansk), and occupied an additional 119,000 km2 (46,000 sq mi) after its full-scale invasion by March 2022, a total of 161,000 km2 (62,000 sq mi) or almost 27% of Ukraine's territory. By 11 November, the Institute for the Study of War calculated that Ukrainian forces had liberated an area of 74,443 km2 (28,743 sq mi) from Russian
occupation, leaving Russia with control of about 18% of Ukraine's territory.

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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by poseidon12: 1:47pm On Mar 10
humilitypays:
Bro check the difference please.


Hamas invaded Israel, murdered thousands of civilians without provocation, Israel only retaliated.


But in Russia vs Ukraine, Russia only invaded Ukraine on mere suspicion that Ukraine wants to join NATO, imagine invading a sovereign country just because you suspect they would join an association, how just is that?




Mr., the war between Israel and Palestine did not start on October 7. Israel has caged and imprisoned Palestinians since 1948. The Palestinians deserve to free themselves from Israel and any means they use to do that should be viewed justified.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by jikins(m): 1:50pm On Mar 10
talkreal:


I wish I could give over a 100 likes. Your knowledge of international Relations/politics is great! The best analysis I have read on this Russia/Ukraine issues not all these emotional or hatred based comments

Better goan do your own research, that post has gaslighting over it if you actually know what happened. Yes there's elements of truth in it but largely its a bundle of half truths and of course emotionally based. Comments like that shouldn't fool anyone who knows his stuff in world history. Since you are impressed it means you still have alot to learn.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by jikins(m): 1:56pm On Mar 10
talkreal:


My point is, no one country can destroy the rest of the world no matter the amount nuclear or whatever form of weapons at its disposal. Adolf Hitler tried it but he failed. So what make you think that Putin will be able to achieve it or succeed?

This is just you being shortsighted and trying to use an irrelevant example. Because trust me if Hitler were the first to create atomic bomb, you will be leaving in a whole different world today. Guess what Russia has those in large numbers so yes they can destroy a large portion of the planet and leave the surviving part in "nuclear winter" for centuries. You guys should expand your knowledge base seriously
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Originalsly: 1:59pm On Mar 10
humilitypays:


Ukraine didn't join NATO, they were not even close because the process is long and they haven't met some of the basic requirements.


The invasion of Ukraine by Russia was unjust.


If Ukraine had joined then it's a different thing. NATO kept assuring Russia that Ukraine wasn't going to join, even Turkey refused and Turkish President assured Putin that he wouldn't ratify Ukraine membership which meant Ukraine wasn't going to join.


Putin is a vampire, but many of you Muslims just love Putin and whatever senseless actions he takes just because you guys hate USA.


I am not talking about USA here, I am concerned about Ukraine, invading their sovereign land unprovoked on mere suspicion that they want to join NATO when some NATO strong members already assured you that they wouldn't ratify Ukraine's membership to NATO was the highest form of cruelty and inhumanity of man to fellow man, stop supporting evil please


Ukraine made it clear it wanted to join NATO and started the process. How can you say this was a suspicion? The US invaded Iraq sovereign land unprovoked on mere suspicion that they were building a doomsday bomb. This you define as evil ... but does your definition apply to the US? How can it apply to Russia when the invasion was based on fact and not suspicion?

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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Omoyor(m): 2:17pm On Mar 10
Jandminded:
Would Russia had invaded Ukraine if they had Nukes?

Why invade a country that didn't violate your country's territorial integrity?

Can Russia invade China assuming they decide to join NATO?

If it was Donbass region you wanted to help and secede, what took you to Kiev in the first place?

Ukraine should not gree for anybody, they have lost enough to just yield for free.

If Russia must win, let them win in a costly way.

What threat does China poses on Russian?
Why do you think the United States refused Russia to host their nuclear weapons in Cuba?
Bros please read before you comment. It makes you wise

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Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by damoobaba: 2:35pm On Mar 10
Gay pope
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Faposky95: 2:58pm On Mar 10
malali:
The pope really thinks its Ukraines war ?
Its the USA's War
They aim to steal all the customers of Russian Oil eventually.
Ukraine is just the proxy, if not for USA, Russia will over run Ukraine in 24hrs.

NATO members pay upkeep to NATO(USA) to buy weapons manufactured by USA
NATO members buy crude oil and natural gas from USA, because they cant buy from the enemy (Russia)
Everything is win win win for USA.
USA has given over 75 billion dollars in aid to ukraine.

Reminds me of when Buhari was allocating 1 billion dollars to fight Insecurity in the North.
I knew at that point, Insecurity will never go away in North, Insecurity(Bandits/Terrorists) is big business...LOL

How myopic it is that the Russian oil is what the US is significantly after.
The richest men are American......
Though there maybe latent power squabbles but not thinking the way the world is tilting towards is unUnited States.
On the other hand, Russia with its associates like The Syrian man whose actions widely led to the amount of Arab migration around the West causing another level of terrorism; the reannexation of former Soviet states by force...and more.....
Look, Russia could never be the liberator of a new world.
Period....and don't call any other country.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by themanderon: 3:18pm On Mar 10
The bear is coming. They will soon be at the borders of America. Nothing can stop them not nato not anyone. Only when they come against God's chosen people will they be totally destroyed by the lion of the tribe of Judah.
There is a reason America fears Russia. That reason is unknown to many.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by malali: 3:35pm On Mar 10
Faposky95:


How myopic it is that the Russian oil is what the US is significantly after.
The richest men are American......
Though there maybe latent power squabbles but not thinking the way the world is tilting towards is unUnited States.
On the other hand, Russia with its associates like The Syrian man whose actions widely led to the amount of Arab migration around the West causing another level of terrorism; the reannexation of former Soviet states by force...and more.....
Look, Russia could never be the liberator of a new world.
Period....and don't call any other country.

The richest men are American......lol
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by 184ejikeme: 3:49pm On Mar 10
Man of peaceMan of peace...
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by AnyanwuSilas: 3:53pm On Mar 10
Jandminded:
Would Russia had invaded Ukraine if they had Nukes?

Why invade a country that didn't violate your country's territorial integrity?

Can Russia invade China assuming they decide to join NATO?

If it was Donbass region you wanted to help and secede, what took you to Kiev in the first place?

Ukraine should not gree for anybody, they have lost enough to just yield for free.

If Russia must win, let them win in a costly way.
You're ignorant of what's going on in the world. You're not concious.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by AnyanwuSilas: 4:11pm On Mar 10
humilitypays:
Russia no try at all.


I strongly believe Russia/Putin will reap some reward for invading Ukraine unjustly, its well
I'm not supporting any side o but try to know what happened to know which country is wrong or not. The reason for the war is so complex to understand overnight and this will lead to the end of this age. A new world is about to begin, we should be worried about ourselves on how to get to the new age as freed people. I'm don't know whether we share common value though.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by Obrigardo: 4:16pm On Mar 10
The pope is delusional.
We all know the vatican profits off destabilization because killer putin doesn't agree to white flags.
He needs to be utterly destroyed.
Re: Pope Says Ukraine Should Have The ‘Courage Of The White Flag’ by blackmantis: 4:23pm On Mar 10
At this stage Ukraine have neither got men nor money to continue the war.

The war ends once the US says so. Zelensky is just a puppet. If he calls for peace he'd be assassinated

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