raumdeuter:


Its absurd to think there is some form of negotiation with a party dedicated to your death. I wish all those who sit and proffer laptop solutions will actually go and live side by side with Hamas and see what becomes of them.

The British did not think they shouldn't negotiate with the IRA and the Mau Mau who were terrorising and bombing them. They sat down to negotiate in the end, just as the apartheidians had to sit down and negotiate with the supposed ANC terrorists.

Watch the news. See that Palestinian child and let me know how old you think he'd have to be to forgive the State of Israel that obliterated his entire family with a bomb.

raumdeuter:


This Random party will be the UN right?

Yes the UN. Filled with the some of the same nations that colonized most of Africa and Nigeria until we got our independence.
This is the problem I have, you seem to be a very rational person but then you seem to ignore most of history to argue for Isreal.
You saw the NY times article I posted where American Zionists were freely talking about colonizing Palestine, you know the history of colonization, lived in a country that was colonized and yet somehow are arguing as if you don't have that knowledge.

raumdeuter:


When should we start the history from 1949, 200 AD or 233 BC?

For understanding? Probably 1000BC if you want to be unbiased and fair.

One should know how and why Israel lost their state such that the UN needed to be recognising their over 2300 year old CofO at least.

IjeBos:


Yes the UN. Filled with the some of the same nations that colonized most of Africa and Nigeria until we got our independence.
This is the problem I have, you seem to be a very rational person but then you seem to ignore most of history to argue for Isreal.
You saw the NY times article I posted where American Zionists were freely talking about colonizing Palestine, you know the history of colonization, lived in a country that was colonized and yet somehow are arguing as if you don't have that knowledge.

The UN is the random party will only be said by those who have no regard for Authorities

What next Joe Biden is just some random old man who think he is the leader of the US?

budaatum:


For understanding? Probably 1000BC if you want to be unbiased and fair.

One should know how and why Israel lost their state such that the UN needed to be recognising their over 2300 year old CofO at least.

Why 1000BC why not something father like 5000BC

raumdeuter:


Actually the Arabs were the ones who attacked and lost

I would claim you attacked me first when you occupied my land that I inherited from my great great great grandfather and took the olives he planted for me.

And no, I haven't "lost" because you can see I am obviously fighting back.

budaatum:

Watch the news. See that Palestinian child and let me know how old you think he'd have to be to forgive the State of Israel that obliterated his entire family with a bomb.

Exactly.

Israel has killed ~30,000 people. Most of those ~30,000 people brutally lost fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, brothers and sisters. What do you think happens next? What do those people do next?

This is what the US military and policy makers understand. That the president is belatedly understanding and they are now trying to mitigate. Americans will undoubtedly bear the brunt of Israel's policies that are not just.

budaatum:


The British did not think they shouldn't negotiate with the IRA and the Mau Mau who were terrorising and bombing them. They sat down to negotiate in the end, just as the apartheidians had to sit down and negotiate with the supposed ANC terrorists.

Watch the news. See that Palestinian child and let me know how old you think he'd have to be to forgive the State of Israel that obliterated his entire family with a bomb.

That Palestinian child should go hold Hamas responsible for going to start a war they are not ready to face head on but hide among children like cowards

Hamas should come out and fight the IDF head on if they care about their children

raumdeuter:


Its absurd to think there is some form of negotiation with a party dedicated to your death. I wish all those who sit and proffer laptop solutions will actually go and live side by side with Hamas and see what becomes of them

I watched as many Israelis were bitter when Ariel Sharon gave back Gaza to Palestine in 2005 and what did they get back? More and more terror from Hamas

Hamas representatives won't even live in Palestine. They don't care about the land 🤣 billionaires in Qatar but let Buda and Ipob explain why "from the river to the sea..." must happen.

IjeBos:


Exactly.

Israel has killed ~30,000 people. Most of those ~30,000 people brutally lost fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, brothers and sisters. What do you think happens next? What do those people do next?

This is what the US military and policy makers understand. That the president is belatedly understanding and they are now trying to mitigate. Americans will undoubtedly bear the brunt of Israel's policies that are not just.

What happened that led to the 30000 people dead? There was something called October 7

Pre October 7, 30000 people were not killed in 6months

benalvino3:


Hamas representatives won't even live in Palestine. They don't care about the land 🤣 billionaires in Qatar but let Buda and Ipob explain why "from the river to the sea..." must happen.

They know what they are doing and the anti Semitic elements of the Democratic party are their enablers. Even Fellow ARab countries dont want them yet its Israel that must

Israel even allow Gazans to come into Israel and work yet na suicide bombing everytime

budaatum:


They have, Raum, many times. But Israel and it's allies seem to have the United Nations locked down.

Are you aware that Gambia, and Kenya and Madagascar were proposed as Jewish state before the Jewish Certificate of Occupation was accepted?

What I think is the western world felt guilty at the treatment of the Jews even long before Germany tried to eliminate them, and that guilt is what made them acquire land for Israel. And that's apart from the fact that the Western world worships the Jewish God who can be used to influence and manipulate.

The UN partitioned the land and gave Israel the land. The Arabs given their religious teachings cannot stand the idea of a Jewish state and went to war multiple times and lost

raumdeuter:


The UN is the random party will only be said by those who have no regard for Authorities

What next Joe Biden is just some random old man who think he is the leader of the US?

Ok. Respect the Authorities at the UN? Square that with this.
The UN with the US abstaining has said that Israel is stealing land.

raumdeuter:


Why 1000BC why not something father like 5000BC

Go back as far as you need to get an understanding of the matter please. Just that I don't think the Israelites were even a people in 5000BC, and if they were, they were nomads with no land, as their own religious history shows.

Unfortunately, it's not in the interest of the Israelis to go too far back or we'd need to discuss how that CofO came about in the first place.

IjeBos:


Ok. Respect the Authorities at the UN? Square that with this.
The UN with the US abstaining has said that Israel is stealing land.

Suddenly these Random party now matter? When 30mins ago they were just a random party

IjeBos:


Exactly.

Israel has killed ~30,000 people. Most of those ~30,000 people brutally lost fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, brothers and sisters. What do you think happens next? What do those people do next?

This is what the US military and policy makers understand. That the president is belatedly understanding and they are now trying to mitigate. Americans will undoubtedly bear the brunt of Israel's policies that are not just.

Hamas numbers. No Hamas fighters were killed, just women and children 🤣

Hamas failed rockets killed Palestinians and they claimed Israel bombed and killed 500 civilians. The death that day was not even close to 100 people.

budaatum:


Go back as far as you need to get an understanding of the matter please. Just that I don't think the Israelites were even a people in 5000BC, and if they were, they were nomads with no land, as their own religious history shows.

Unfortunately, it's not in the interest of the Israelis to go too far back or we'd need to discuss how that CofO came about in the first place.

We can all go back as far as possible and tell Joe Biden to go back to Ireland, Donald Trump back to Germany and Obama back to Kenya. Those even happened less than 200yrs ago not 1000AD and return the land back to the Native Indians

benalvino3:


Hamas numbers. No Hamas fighters were killed, just women and children 🤣

Hamas failed rockets killed Palestinians and they claimed Israel bombed and killed 500 civilians. The death that day was not even close to 100 people.

Either of 2 things

Hamas is not real so cannot die or everyone is Hamas

raumdeuter:


Suddenly these Random party now matter? When 30mins ago they were just a random party

Ok, you brought the UN up. So, you tell me when they should be authority. You can't have it both ways. Don't do the pretzel, disingenuous thing now.

My position is consistent. THe UN had not authority then to take Palestinian land.

raumdeuter:


The UN partitioned the land and gave Israel the land. The Arabs given their religious teachings cannot stand the idea of a Jewish state and went to war multiple times and lost

The UN partitioned land that some people lived on and those people who lived on the land that was taken from them did not stand the idea that their land should be taken from them.

Atheist that I am, I too would not stand the idea of those who steal my land, even and especially if the land stealers present a god given CofO.

IjeBos:


Ok, you brought the UN up. So, you tell me when they should be authority. You can't have it both ways. Don't do the pretzel, disingenuous thing now.

My position is consistent. THe UN had not authority then to take Palestinian land.

If that is your position then why bring up UN resolution now

budaatum:


The UN partitioned land that some people lived on and those people who lived on the land that was taken from them did not stand the idea that their land should be taken from them.

Atheist that I am, I too would not stand the idea of those who steal my land, even and especially if the land stealers present a god given CofO.

Then go and meet the UN who gave them the land and fight the UN simple

benalvino3:


Hamas numbers. No Hamas fighters were killed, just women and children 🤣

Hamas failed rockets killed Palestinians and they claimed Israel bombed and killed 500 civilians. The death that day was not even close to 100 people.

Mr. ChatGPT bigot, did ChatGPT break on you?
Lol. The fact that you had to Use ChatGPT to sound smart, will forever say everything about you.
You have admitted to be the dimwit I've always known you to be.

raumdeuter:

We can all go back as far as possible and tell Joe Biden to go back to Ireland, Donald Trump back to Germany and Obama back to Kenya. Those even happened less than 200yrs ago not 1000AD and return the land back to the Native Indians

The Native Indians would no doubt be pleased, but this is hardly the same thing since the Native Indians are not fighting for land back like the Palestinians are, and have been settled with relatively acceptable reserve land where they rule and collect taxes.

Now, if Biden and dump and Obama start encroaching on the reservations, I bet you the Native Indians would get an Hamas to fight back if the justice system doesn't defend their rights.

raumdeuter:


If that is your position then why bring up UN resolution now

You got cornered and are now playing games. Don't have time for that.

raumdeuter:


Then go and meet the UN who gave them the land and fight the UN simple

There are Palestinians who are fighting in and the UN, and there are those who fight other ways.

Even the IRA had a political wing that argued it's case in court while it's military wing terrorised and bombed Britain.

Budaatum, back to what I was saying about the normalization of tribal slurs.

budaatum:


The Native Indians would no doubt be pleased, but this is hardly the same thing since the Native Indians are not fighting for land back like the Palestinians are, and have been settled with relatively acceptable reserve land where they rule and collect taxes.

Now, if Biden and dump and Obama start encroaching on the reservations, I bet you the Native Indians would get an Hamas to fight back if the justice system doesn't defend their rights.

Native Americans own ALL the land, you now kill most of them pack the rest into spaces called reserves and they are Okay with it.

The space Palestine was given what happened to it? They decided to fight wars and lost it

IjeBos:


Mr. ChatGPT bigot, did ChatGPT break on you?
Lol. The fact that you had to Use ChatGPT to sound smart, will forever say everything about you.
You have admitted to be the dimwit I've always known you to be.

While I don't use ChatGPT for General language, I find it useful for coding and programming tasks in languages such as Python and C#

Thank God for ChatGPT 😃

IjeBos:


You got cornered and are now playing games. Don't have time for that.

Its the convenience of how you dont take the UN as an authority and suddenly regard their resolution that is astounding

Do you respect the UN partition of 1949? Yes or No
Your are in lockstep with Hamas who don't respect it either

Its just the typical Democratic party flirting with terror organization. We already have Democrats in Congress who are spokespersons for Hamas

Ilhan Omar actually equated the US to Hamas not long ago.

raumdeuter:


Its the convenience of how you dont take the UN as an authority and suddenly regard their resolution that is astounding

Do you respect the UN partition of 1949? Yes or No
Your are in lockstep with Hamas who don't respect it either

Its just the typical Democratic party flirting with terror organization. We already have Democrats in Congress who are spokespersons for Hamas

Ilhan Omar actually equated the US to Hamas not long ago.

You seem like a smart dude. This post is beneath you. You are arguing dishonestly.

IjeBos:
Budaatum, back to what I was saying about the normalization of tribal slurs.

ChatGPT can't speak of freedom fighters?
You are at least 45 😒