shoodboi2:


I disagree with this. 65 year old Australians work because they have nothing to fall back on. Work isn't fun and doesn't enable them to exercise their bodies. Work is even more brutal over there.

These western nations -- US, Canada, France, Australia, and others -- are extremely capitalist. They want to take the last drop of your soul out of you and require you to keep working to pay bills after bills after bills for your daily survival.

The average Nigerian retires at 58 - 65 and is still able to live a decent life almost comparable to when they were working.

You can never compare that to Australia where they have to work into their 80s to keep body and soul together. And when they're no longer able to work anymore, they're thrown into an old people's home and the cycle continues.

You're new to the system, so it's still "freaking" you. You even hope to get your accounting job back someday. I hate to be the one to say this, but the possibility of you getting that job back is very low.

You've already been sucked into, and will continue to be sucked into, this forklifting/labouring career and the longer you stay in it, the harder it is to switch to accounting.

The man who inducted me in the warehouse where I work is 65. He is a made man. He told me he comes around to work because there is no one to stay at home with.

This man has about two houses he receives rent from every week. The rent is enough to pay his bills for life.

As per accounting work, I already rejected one because they wanted me to sign an undertaking that I will never leave before completing one year.

The pay they offered is exactly what I'm earning in the warehouse. I made it clear that if I must sign the undertaking, I will need at least 10Aud on top of my current earnings.

Bros, I will move into accounting before the end of April. Some recruitment firms are already on my case.

However, if I don't get it, I'm already doing better than I was doing while in Nigeria.

Have you encountered any reptile...? Since it's a Home of gigantic enormous reptiles...?🦎
Thanks!

Usefulsense:


The man who inducted me in the warehouse where I work is 65. He is a made man. He told me he comes around to work because there is no one to stay at home with.

This man has about two houses he receives rent from every week. The rent is enough to pay his bills for life.

As per accounting work, I already rejected one because they wanted me to sign an undertaking that I will never leave before completing one year.

The pay they offered is exactly what I'm earning in the warehouse. I made it clear that if I must sign the undertaking, I will need at least 10Aud on top of my current earnings.

Bros, I will move into accounting before the end of April. Some recruitment firms are already on my case.

However, if I don't get it, I'm already doing better than I was doing while in Nigeria.

That is the conclusion of the whole matter.

PrinceJoeWan:
Please sirs, you guys should share tips on how to migrate so we can learn.
Thanks

Everything you need is here. Check https://www.nairaland.com/4478747/diy-guide-australian-permanent-resident

And General enquiry Australian student Visa.

trollx:
Have you encountered any reptile...? Since it's a Home of gigantic enormous reptiles...?🦎
Thanks!

Australia, there is a training called first Aid and CPR you MUST undergo before you start work. This is to know what to do in cases of reptiles emergency. Even though Australia is a home of reptiles, it is very hard and difficult to see. People who have stayed here for over 20years keep say the only places they gave seen reptiles are in the zoo and on TV.

Treadway:
the crux of what you typed here is that based on emergency care available to the cleaner over there he/she is better off than a Regional manager in Nigeria right? I know you mentioned kidnappings too o, but majorly I have hit the nail on the head as per the weighty component of your point right?

You can't separate emergent, urgent and routine care- its manytimes a continum. There is a reason your presidents have spent months abroad on health grounds. Even with full access to the national chest and every local physician at their call, they still scurried abroad. The average general hospital in the UK is more equipped than all medical centres in many states of our nation.

Secondly, what class of home based Nigerians do you think are buying houses abroad or sending their kids to school abroad? I recently met a high court judge who's who has been frantically looking to relocate his family. There is a reason for that.

Look at the pyramid, why do you think health and safety are level 2?

We've been through this before- point is there is a litany of safetynets and life necessities/enjoyments average westerners see than even the rich in Nigeria only dream of. No need listing them. When I've asked before, take away 'enjoyment' due to rampant poverty around, what else does a rich person in Nigeria enjoy?

I like the OP attitude and the land will be a land of honey and milk for you. One step at a time, no need to rush..

To the rest defending the country that is currently in the list of every bad things that can happen to the world, well done o!

Do you even know that the average life span in Nigeria is 53? Nigeria is second in the list. https://www.statista.com/statistics/274521/countries-with-the-lowest-life-expectancy-worldwide/

Do you know that healthy living is staying in your home with no thinking of buying diesel to pump water?
Do you know that healthy living is staying in your home without thinking of buying diesel to have ordinary electricity
Little things like these makes the world a better place and living well. You think Nigeria is good at the moment, then you are one of the problem

shoodboi2:


The average Nigerian retires at 58 - 65 and is still able to live a decent life almost comparable to when they were working.

What you said is the exact opposite of reality.

Hehe... No insults, have you ever been abroad and seen how retirees live? Their group holds by far the most wealth.

First, what is the average life expectancy in Nigeria?

Virtually every honest civil service director I know lapsed into poverty soon after retirement. Many died wretched.
What is the average pension and when was the last time pensions were increased?
Do you know old people (with significantly more ailments) would need to use that pension to cover their health, pay kids uni fees e.t.c which are costs a pensioner abroad don't factor in.

Now abroad, the state pays every pensioneer who has worked a state pension. This state pension rises every year with at least inflation. (Yes you heard that. To put in perspective, your average Nigerian pension would be increased by 30 % this year to rise with inflation).
This is then in addition to the fat work pension which manytimes matched their final work salaries and has continued to rise.

Reason why I said you have no idea what you are talking about.

Usefulsense:


The man who inducted me in the warehouse where I work is 65. He is a made man. He told me he comes around to work because there is no one to stay at home with.

This man has about two houses he receives rent from every week. The rent is enough to pay his bills for life.

As per accounting work, I already rejected one because they wanted me to sign an undertaking that I will never leave before completing one year.

The pay they offered is exactly what I'm earning in the warehouse. I made it clear that if I must sign the undertaking, I will need at least 10Aud on top of my current earnings.

Bros, I will move into accounting before the end of April. Some recruitment firms are already on my case.

However, if I don't get it, I'm already doing better than I was doing while in Nigeria.

My brother you don't need to convince folks. There are things experience teaches.

Folks in Nigeria used to lording it over the many poor would struggle to understand the concept of dignity in labour.

For example, in the UK, the salary of an MP (similar to a senator) is just about 4x that of a full-time minimum wage employee. For Nigeria to come close, that would mean our senators would be paid 120- 140k. Hehe..

Pay out there is largely due to what you bring to the table and if you provide a service others need. A plumber in the west would earn far higher that many folks with masters degree

VAPatrick:
Someone who hasn't travelled outside Nigeria will never understand.


For me, if I am to choose between being a bank manager in Nigeria and forklift operator in Australia, I'll go with the latter. As a forklift operator in Australia, I will live a good life and provide a better future for my children. Even if I decide to return to Nigeria after 25 to 30 years, I'll live very comfortably, far better than I would have, had I been a bank manager.

To reiterate, no basis for comparison, and respect people's decisions. Shalom!

You hit the nail on the head.

Even on this thread, folks who have seen both sides have continued to repeat same thing. They would choose those everyday jobs abroad over 'big man' jobs in Nigeria.
It's pople who have never left or worked abroad that can't fathom this. They are seeing 1m naira as heaven on earth.

If I begin to list, thread go full

OP abeg, furnish us with pictures make we feed our eyes, not this back and forth arguments 😑

Gerrard59:


Not again!!!

Unless he intends to return to Nigeria later in life, why the conversion? Is he spending naira in Australia? Just as I stated above, returning has to be planned now or else, he will be in Australia for the rest of his life, as flying to Nigeria would not be feasible unless he gets quite rich to afford it. Remaining in Australia for the rest of his life erodes whatever AUD to NGN conversion you have there.

His earnings and expenses are in AUD, stick to it. Nothing concerns NGN in Australia.

No mind them...always converting like bureau de change ...like say Na Naira dem dey spend there

Bossman:
What percentage of Nigeria's population in your quoted age group are retired and traveling the world?

I said I wish him luck

jedisco:


Its would be a multitude times easier for him to travel the world on his current job than for someone earning 2 million monthly in Nigeria to do same.

the people I know for years now that are in Brisbane, Adelaide hasn't even afford to come back to Nigeria for years now...Na the world they wan travel

jedisco:


Did you read his post?

He said with what he knows today, if he was 52 and earning double he would still have gone.

Stop, think through that before criticising.

I said I wish him luck

chidi4sam:


You are so misinformed. How much is ticket that people in Australia cannot afford? Let me shock you, I have not seen one begger in Australia. Whoever the person is, not withstanding his visa status, everyone is OK here. I can get my to and fro ticket fee by working only on Sunday. Australia pays the highest wages when compared to Canada, UK, and even US (in some companies). Use your google and search about it instead of displaying your ignorance online.

you think long haul flight isn't expensive..don't worry

Usefulsense:


The man who inducted me in the warehouse where I work is 65. He is a made man. He told me he comes around to work because there is no one to stay at home with.

This man has about two houses he receives rent from every week. The rent is enough to pay his bills for life.

As per accounting work, I already rejected one because they wanted me to sign an undertaking that I will never leave before completing one year.

The pay they offered is exactly what I'm earning in the warehouse. I made it clear that if I must sign the undertaking, I will need at least 10Aud on top of my current earnings.

Bros, I will move into accounting before the end of April. Some recruitment firms are already on my case.

However, if I don't get it, I'm already doing better than I was doing while in Nigeria.

you still don't get it...everything ain't about dollars and cents...stop looking at life that way bro

Where do you want to be in the next 10 - 15yrs

Do you still want to be earning hourly pay or do you want to retire and let people work for you ?

jedisco:


You can't separate emergent, urgent and routine care- its manytimes a continum. There is a reason your presidents have spent months abroad on health grounds. Even with full access to the national chest and every local physician at their call, they still scurried abroad. The average general hospital in the UK is more equipped than all medical centresvin many states of our nation.

Secondly, which class of home based Nigerians do you think are buying houses abroad or sending their kids to school abroad? I recently met a high court judge who's who has been frantically looking to relocate his family. There is a reason for that.

Look at the pyramid, why do you think health and safety are level 2?

We've been through this before- point is there is a litany of safetynets and life necessities/enjoyments average westerners see than even the rich in Nigeria only dream of. No need listing them. When I've asked before, take away 'enjoyment' due to rampant poverty around, what else does a rich person in Nigeria enjoy?

I know many business owners here in Nigeria that aren't even politically exposed that have homes abroad

VAPatrick:
Someone who hasn't travelled outside Nigeria will never understand. There is no basis for comparison between Nigeria and a developed country. In terms of everything, I mean everything, countries like Australia, UK and Canada are way ahead of Nigeria. Having said that, the decision to relinquish one's job as a manager in Nigeria for a low level job (e.g. forklift operator) in Australia is personal, which we should all respect. Besides, no one migrates with the primary objective of taking up a cleaning or fork lift operator job. For most people already at the middle or top level of their careers, they take up these jobs to survive, pending when they land their ideal jobs.

For me, if I am to choose between being a bank manager in Nigeria and forklift operator in Australia, I'll go with the latter. As a forklift operator in Australia, I will live a good life and provide a better future for my children. Even if I decide to return to Nigeria after 25 to 30 years, I'll live very comfortably, far better than I would have, had I been a bank manager.

To reiterate, no basis for comparison, and respect people's decisions. Shalom!

It's better to be a king in hell than a slave in heaven

Usefulsense:


Amen. Thanks for the prayers. Are you in Aussie?

Congrats! Bro. My question is this....I have been working with a local NGO here in Nigeria that rehabilitates Children with disabilities, precisely Down Syndrome, I have attended series of Certified trainings here in Nigeria organized by Int'l Organizations and NGOs. I wish to continue in this line because it is my passion. What are my chances? Is it possible to apply for jobs over there from here? Even if I have to be trained when I get there, btw I will be Fifty this year and also occupy a top position where I work. Expecting your reply. Thanks!

Thank you very much!

chidi4sam:


Everything you need is here. Check https://www.nairaland.com/4478747/diy-guide-australian-permanent-resident

And General enquiry Australian student Visa.

AmuDimpka:
the people I know for years now that are in Brisbane, Adelaide hasn't even afford to come back to Nigeria for years now...Na the world they wan travel

Afford and not wanting to or seeing the value in are different things.

A trip to Nigeria costs me 1.5k pounds in ticket alone. Not considering money spent when I'm home and the endless number of people needing help. After a while, you just get tired of the whole system. For a family, it's even worse. Kids would standout due to their accent making them targets, you'd need to virtually make plans for every comfort and security your need.

I'd spend far less for a holiday to some of the best destinations in the world and the experience would be much better. Many times, I ask myself why I still return.

AmuDimpka:
I know many business owners here in Nigeria that aren't even politically exposed that have homes abroad

Why are they buying homes abroad? How many British business men resident in the UK have homes is Nigeria?

AmuDimpka:
I hear you...someone that has her papers and kids there but money to enter flight come Nigeria is an issue

listen to yourself...... SMH

benchosky:
We re talking money you re talking career progress.. receive sense

I don stop reply that person..... looks like someone in ND2 Offa poly.

AmuDimpka:


No mind them...always converting like bureau de change ...like say Na Naira dem dey spend there

At this point... this is witchcraft.... because

OP, let us see this as new beginnings. I am very sure you can still do something with your brain. There is dignity in labor but you have too much experience to throw away. I am sure with time, you will fit into the right role commensurate with your knowledge, skills and international experience. As Nigeria is the most recent comparison you have, everything looks better but with 3-5 years, you will have a better exposure on what is most important to you. Every experience in life is important so I don't like those who think this is x and this is y. Life itself is a journey, one man's food is another's poison. What you don't know about the 65yo man is more than he is telling you. You are yet to complete your own journey so avoid comparisons and take advantage of your current situation. Most migrants tend to compare a new country with their most recent experience back home. There are good and bad companies in Nigeria and Australia, may you not meet the bad toxic ones wherever you are.

Money is not everything but debt is not either. Some people want to own things, some want things to work. Some want hustle, others want systems. Let people make the best use of what they have and where they are instead of these fights about my house is better than yours. There are some things Australia does not have and Nigeria has. That is why you see people migrating. When you meet an Aussie in Africa, ask him what he sees there. Learn about the aboriginals and you will come to see who you are running from


If you have not seen this video before, I hope it helps. Stay in your lane and drive your bus home.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=derfqy3OPwc?feature=shared

Congratulations@Op

Congrats to the OP. As some say, let every man carry his camel.

You made a choice that you believe is in your family's best interest. Many of the naysayers here would be first in line if any Western country decided to grant Nigerians one-time permanent resident permits so don't believe most of what they say.

To me, two critical things matter - health and security. Regardless of what many might think, you are truly only as rich as you are healthy. Earning N20m a month in Nigeria is worthless if you are only 5 minutes away from dying from routine typhoid fever or severe blood loss from a survivable accident - just because there was no power in the hospital. My wife had a medical emergency 2 years ago that required immediate surgery. Out of pocket cost to us? <US$500 total. She was on her feet the very next day. If she had been in Nigeria, she would 110% have died, no ifs or buts. Of what use would a N1m/month salary and "big man" job been to her or myself?

jedisco:


Afford and not wanting to or seeing the value in are different things.

A trip to Nigeria costs me 1.5k pounds in ticket alone. Not considering money spent when I'm home and the endless number of people needing help. After a while, you just get tired of the whole system. For a family, it's even worse. Kids would standout due to their accent making them targets, you'd need to virtually make plans for every comfort and security your need.

I'd spend far less for a holiday to some of the best destinations in the world and the experience would be much better. Many times, I ask myself why I still return.



Why are they buying homes abroad? How many British businesses men resident in the UK have homes is Nigeria?

Which security arrangements do you need to travel to Nigeria?I hosted two persons from UK and europe in January and February this year,we never needed security to move around.What accent are your children speaking that is strange? I reside in Benin City and people coming from abroad is not a big deal to us.I only agree with the problem of people wanting financial help due to the current economic situation in the country.

Generally,most Nigerians in the UK are broke.
The UK is overrated and I don't see anything special in that country.If you want enjoy abroad go US or Australia.

IbeOkehie:


Wetin I don do now to earn cc:

(1) Agree with your praise of the OP but not your personal view. I would migrate even at age 60, in fact that is the best time to migrate to a sane country. In Nigeria you're at risk of being abused or killed in old age for being a witch, and NOBODY will do anything about it.

Good Luck to Nigerians.

You have always wanted to read OP's experiences. I had to do the needful.

Special thanks to Treadway!

I hold nothing against OP's thread or his relocation. His choice, which I respect. However, I refuse to hold the notion that a toilet cleaner in Australia lives a better life than a permanent staff banker in Nigeria. The other day, Nairalanders argued that being a skyscraper cleaner in the UK is better than a bank manager in Nigeria. That is totally nonsensical! I don't look at earnings conversion as they are pointless, but professions and standard of living.

Anyone can decide to move from being a doctor to cleaner in the abroad, no problem. But don't come online to state that someone flourishing in his/her career in Nigeria is worse than the cleaner in the abroad. It does not follow. As I argue, you compare oranges to oranges, not oranges to apples. Compare the cleaner in the abroad to a cleaner in Nigeria, NOT a cleaner in the abroad to a career professional in Nigeria. A truck pusher in Nigeria who moves to become a cleaner in the abroad has won the lottery and improved. However, a seasoned professional who does the same has not done well.

We have to be honest in what we say.

Gerrard59:
Special thanks to Treadway!

I hold nothing against OP's thread or his relocation. His choice, which I respect. However, I refuse to hold the notion that a toilet cleaner in Australia lives a better life than a permanent staff banker in Nigeria. The other day, Nairalanders argued that being a skyscraper cleaner in the UK is better than a bank manager in Nigeria. That is totally nonsensical! I don't look at earnings conversion as they are pointless, but professions and standard of living.

Anyone can decide to move from being a doctor to cleaner in the abroad, no problem. But don't come online to state that someone flourishing in his/her career in Nigeria is worse than the cleaner in the abroad. It does not follow. As I argue, you compare oranges to oranges, not oranges to apples. Compare the cleaner in the abroad to a cleaner in Nigeria, NOT a cleaner in the abroad to a career professional in Nigeria. A truck pusher in Nigeria who moves to become a cleaner in the abroad has won the lottery and improved. However, a seasoned professional who does the same has not done well.

We have to be honest in what we say.

you have been like that on every travel thread....... bitter old man.