elhakiimed:



Apparently you don't even have the right facts or know your god. It's impossible for Jesus to be Blonde white.

I know that. I'm neither Christian or Muslim. In fact not a believer at all. But I know what our people respond to and our infinite and crippling capacity for adoration.

TrajansKong:


You lost 85% of Nigerian Christians with 'humanity'.

Not a known value.

So you want to separate being Christian from having humanity. You sound very sane right now.

TrajansKong:


I know that. I'm neither Christian or Muslim. In fact not a believer at all. But I know what our people respond to and our infinite and crippling capacity for adoration.

That's why the topic says, no religious bias.

tctrills:

Now you are getting it all wrong. The Nigerian army's job is to protect us from Boko Haram just as the IDF is to protect the people of Israel from Hamas.
On the other hand, Hamas which is the legal government of Gaza is supposed to protect the people of Gaza but their actions are exposing their own people to death. Blame all deaths on Hamas.

So who were the govt of Isreal protecting its citizens from before the creation of Hamas when they displaced people from their homes for random non-jew europeans to settle? Foreigners who just believe in Judaism and have no right to the land at all?

tctrills:

Now you are getting it all wrong. The Nigerian army's job is to protect us from Boko Haram just as the IDF is to protect the people of Israel from Hamas.
On the other hand, Hamas which is the legal government of Gaza is supposed to protect the people of Gaza but their actions are exposing their own people to death. Blame all deaths on Hamas.

So who were the govt of Isreal protecting its citizens from before the creation of Hamas when they displaced people from their homes for random non-jew europeans to settle? Foreigners who just believe in Judaism and have no right to the land at all?

elhakiimed:

So who were the govt of Isreal protecting its citizens from before the creation of Hamas when they displaced people from their homes for random non-jew europeans to settle? Foreigners who just believe in Judaism and have no right to the land at all?

Again you don't know your history. It was the Arabs who declared war on the Jews with the intent of kicking them out of the land in 1948. But the lost and the consequence of that was them losing some of their land.
Again, they learnt nothing and planned another war in 1963. Only this time, Israel attacked before they could. How is Israel at fault.
Lastly over 800k Jews were displaced from their homes in all Arab nations. Just learn your history and you will immediately stop blaming Israel.

elhakiimed:


Who are the most people supporting Palestine? US govt support Isreal with billions of dollars yearly against people using stone as weapon. Haven't you learned anything from US historic international oppression? Palestine supporters are mostly human right activist and people with humanity, not govt and agencies.

But it's OK for Hamas to go kill people in Israel while celebrating?
You have to understand that Hamas represents the Palestinians, so any aggressions from them will be seen as from the people.
If the government of republic of Benin sponsored an attack on Nigerians in badagry, I'm not sure I'll care if we bombed the whole country back to the time of Genesis 1:1.
I believe Hamas knows what's coming when they launched the October 7 attack, or maybe they're banking on outcries from humanitarian organizations to prevent Israel from carrying out heavy damage.
I believe you know Hamas is also being sponsored by Iran, so don't expect Israel to sit on their hands and watch while terrorists are launching scores of missiles into the country daily.
Just imagine Israel doesn't have the iron dome. I wonder if you'll still hold the same opinion.

elhakiimed:


That's why the topic says, no religious bias.

Understood.

Good luck with that!

DeOTR:

But it's OK for Hamas to go kill people in Israel while celebrating?
You have to understand that Hamas represents the Palestinians, so any aggressions from them will be seen as from the people.
If the government of republic of Benin sponsored an attack on Nigerians in badagry, I'm not sure I'll care if we bombed the whole country back to the time of Genesis 1:1.
I believe Hamas knows what's coming when they launched the October 7 attack, or maybe they're banking on outcries from humanitarian organizations to prevent Israel from carrying out heavy damage.
I believe you know Hamas is also being sponsored by Iran, so don't expect Israel to sit on their hands and watch while terrorists are launching scores of missiles into the country daily.
Just imagine Israel doesn't have the iron dome. I wonder if you'll still hold the same opinion.

That's what US and occupation regime want us thinking. They aren't the victim. No weapon of mass destruction is found in Iraq till today. Arabs are no less victim of terrorism than we are with Boko Haram.

tctrills:

Again you don't know your history. It was the Arabs who declared war on the Jews with the intent of kicking them out of the land in 1948. But the lost and the consequence of that was them losing some of their land.
Again, they learnt nothing and planned another war in 1963. Only this time, Israel attacked before they could. How is Israel at fault.
Lastly over 800k Jews were displaced from their homes in all Arab nations. Just learn your history and you will immediately stop blaming Israel.

Which history are you talking about, and what sick book are you reading from? Who took them in when Europe and Hitler killed them just as they're doing now to their brothers?

Jews and Arabs lived in that land even before more jews escaped from Europe to join them. But Jewish sect, the zionists, want it for themselves or to subjugate non jews. That's what's causing the war.

Today, a random white man can convert to Judaism and have more right than a person living there from 100 generations. What do you mean by history?

elhakiimed:
Me first:

I study in Europe with classmates from Isreal and Palestine, so its natural to feel conflicted. While I maintain a good relationship with both of them, I am not in doubt about my opinion of the crisis at Gaza.

Personally, I believe it's a genocide that Nato and UN continues to condone.


Also, I feel this period of Russian-Ukraine war helps to highlight the inequality, hypocrisy, and deprivation resulting from the Isreal-Palestine crisis.

For the first time, The West can see the irony of their government's international support.

I mean how do you seek support against genocide in Ukraine while sponsoring one yourself in Gaza?

1st of all, the combined WEST ( the anglozionist empire and its temporary puppet together with permanent puppets) has Zero claims of any kind of Genocide being perpetrated in the East of Ukraine by Russia. On the contrary, the Combined WEST removed a democratically elected president of Ukraine in 2014, to install a NAzi regime and the Nazi regime started Genocide in the Donbass—the east of Ukraine.

So this is also similar in kind to the one the same Anglozionist empire string of merely Foreign Policy, Israel is doing. In reality, it is the same combined WEST. Any ideological difference between what they (The empire of lies, deceit, Chaos, killing people all over the world) hope to get in the Middle East, Ukraine and TAIWAN? Same thing in China, using TAIWAN to poke China. They are sooo outdated !

Same thing. Their main target is to try to drag Iran into the conflict since they cannot just afford to let the new Reality happen. That is the NEW Triangular World Order. RUSSIA-CHINA-IRAN.

They have decided to sacrifice these countries you see today. The thing is, Time is so much on the New World order side. They just need to make sure they are not completely dragged into it.

Russia had no choice honestly. The same combined WEST is looking for any way to sacrifice another NATO country but without dragging the whole NATO countries. I don't know how that will be possible in Ukraine. if all things being equal, the odds are against the WEST. They will lose. Israel/combined west stand no chance against Hezbollah. ( WE HAVE SEEN THIS ALREADY IN SYRIA)

Even ordinary Yemeni have provided too much of Deniability and proof more potent. The wall around Iran is just too strong. Even stronger than Russia and China.

THEY WILL LOSE. The same way they Lost to Afghana. Only a matter of time which the new WORLD has plenty of !

I told someone and he couldn't answer me. I asked him if it makes sense for his entire family (including his children) wiped out because a member of his family committed a crime. He was only only like a fool. I don't know what's wrong with Nigerians. How will someone support killing civilians because a group of people attack Israel. What's bad if Israel go after such group instrad of the entire gaza.

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Which history are you talking about, and what sick book are you reading from? Who took them in when Europe and Hitler killed them just as they're doing now to their brothers?

Jews and Arabs lived in that land even before more jews escaped from Europe to join them. But Jewish sect, the zionists, want it for themselves or to subjugate non jews. That's what's causing the war.

Today, a random white man can convert to Judaism and have more right than a person living there from 100 generations. What do you mean by history?



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Oga they have told you lots of lies. The Palestinians were in the same team with Hitler.
They worked with Hitler to kill the Jews.
Lastly, the idea that a random white man would convert to Judaism and thus gain an Israeli passport is very false.
Below is a link to educate you on the relationship of the Palestinians and Hitler.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini
The above is about Mohammed Amin al-Husseini he was a Palestinian Arab nationalist and Muslim leader in Mandatory Palestine.
Please read his relationship with Hitler.
Now do want to discuss federal appointments.

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Even the Wikipedia page you shared refutes your ridiculous claim. You should probably read again.

elhakiimed:


Even the Wikipedia page you shared refutes your ridiculous claim. You should probably read again.

Please read.
Muslims were enthusiastic about the new regime and looked forward to the spread of fascism throughout the region. Wolff met al-Husseini and many sheikhs again, a month later, at Nabi Musa. They expressed their approval of the anti-Jewish boycott in Germany and asked Wolff not to send any Jews to Palestine.[151] Wolff subsequently wrote in his annual report for that year that the Arabs' political naïvety led them to fail to recognize the link between German Jewish policy and their problems in Palestine, and that their enthusiasm for Nazi Germany was devoid of any real understanding of the phenomenon.

elhakiimed:


Even the Wikipedia page you shared refutes your ridiculous claim. You should probably read again.

Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem in Nazi Germany ,1943. Credit: Kedem Auction House

Husseini, born in 1895, fled British Mandatory Palestine in 1937. After some time in Lebanon and Iraq, he went to fascist Italy and from there to Nazi Germany.

There, he was in contact with Foreign Ministry officials and senior SS and Gestapo officers and even met with Hitler more than once, the first time in 1941. But he never realized his goal of obtaining a German-Italian declaration recognizing the independence of Arab states and their right to work to prevent the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people in the Holy Land.

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First, you should to note that it is disingenuous to try to misinform and quote out of context.

Secondly, He himself is Semitic, so anti zionism isn't antisemitism, two different things.



A single Palestinian leader allied with nazi-german against their common enemy, Britain. But You said Palestinian people and relationship with Hitler. You can see how desperately you want to win an argument?

The man opposed the creation of Jewish state in Palestine by British rule and subsequent establishment of
zionism (An ideology that will establish an apartheid Jewish state at the expense of his interest and people and lead to what's happening today).

The West succeeded in imposing the Jewish state and now his people haven't rest for more than 7 decades. So how does the article help your case?

elhakiimed:


First, you should to note that it is disingenuous to try to misinform and quote out of context.

Secondly, He himself is Semitic, so anti zionism isn't antisemitism, two different things.



A single Palestinian leader allied with nazi-german against their common enemy, Britain. But You said Palestinian people and relationship with Hitler. You can see how desperately you want to win an argument?

The man opposed the creation of Jewish state in Palestine by British rule and subsequent establishment of
zionism (An ideology that will establish an apartheid Jewish state at the expense of his interest and people and lead to what's happening today).

The West succeeded in imposing the Jewish state and now his people haven't rest for more than 7 decades. So how does the article help your case?

Oga, do you even know what you are saying? You say a single Palestine leader? We are talking about the leader of the Palestine people not just any Palestinians.
The Palestinians are victims of their own wickedness.
Again, your history is so twisted. In 1948, the land was shared between the Jews and the arabs. The Arabs rejected and declared war.

tctrills:

Oga, do you even know what you are saying? You say a single Palestine leader? We are talking about the leader of the Palestine people not just any Palestinians.
The Palestinians are victims of their own wickedness.
Again, your history is so twisted. In 1948, the land was shared between the Jews and the arabs. The Arabs rejected and declared war.

Shared between them by who, same dubious Britain that colonized us in Nigeria, and set us up for failure? Are you out of your mind? Unlike Africans, Arab leaders won't settle for less for their people. Leaders like that man weren't wicked, they saw through the bullshit of British colonizers, like
many African leaders aren't seeing till today.

No Euroean country wanted Jews and needed a dump for them, so excuse some arabs for refusing the idea of thousands of European Jews emigrating into the land they shared for centuries with indigenous jews, whom they already understood and had share values.

elhakiimed:


Shared between them by who, same dubious Britain that colonized us in Nigeria, and set us up for failure? Are you out of your mind? Unlike Africans, Arab leaders won't settle for less for their people. Leaders like that man weren't wicked, they saw through the bullshit of British colonizers, like
many African leaders aren't seeing till today.

No Euroean country wanted Jews and needed a dump for them, so excuse some arabs for refusing the idea of thousands of European Jews emigrating into the land they shared for centuries with indigenous jews, whom they already understood and had share values.

By the united nations. Now previous to the British colonizing the land of Palestine, it was already under the colonial rule of the ottoman empire.
You can insult the British for all you can but they were no different from any other colonizers in history such as the fulanis, the Arabs, the Oyo empire and the Benin empire.
But as legal owners of the land, The British had the power to put it in the hands of the Jews but they chose to do the fair thing. They divided it among the 2 groups who had a claim to the land.

elhakiimed:


That's what US and occupation regime want us thinking. They aren't the victim. No weapon of mass destruction is found in Iraq till today. Arabs are no less victim of terrorism than we are with Boko Haram.

Well, I wouldn't know that and I don't even give a flying f**k about all of them.
When things happen, I just imagine and put myself in shoes and see how I'd have acted.
I would have done exactly what Israel is doing right now or even worse if anyone attacker my household, kidnapped my children and women and killed most of them. I will never respect their children and women's rights to live irrespective of what people.
If I were Palestinians, I would never have attacked Israel on October 7. That's a foolish thing to do.
"When you are the Anvil, be patient, when you are the Hammer, strike".
You can't be the weaker side and still be the aggressors all the time.

DeOTR:

Well, I wouldn't know that and I don't even give a flying f**k about all of them.
When things happen, I just imagine and put myself in shoes and see how I'd have acted.
I would have done exactly what Israel is doing right now or even worse if anyone attacker my household, kidnapped my children and women and killed most of them. I will never respect their children and women's rights to live irrespective of what people.
If I were Palestinians, I would never have attacked Israel on October 7. That's a foolish thing to do.
"When you are the Anvil, be patient, when you are the Hammer, strike".
You can't be the weaker side and still be the aggressors all the time.

Wait please. Just take a moment to think about it . Do you see the Isreali hostages during release by Hamas. Do those people look like they have been molested in any way? Hamas claimed to have only targeted military bases and resources, Isreal said they raped civilians to arouse anger from public. Isreal claim an hospital is hamas base, a claim we now know was a false and PR deceit.

tctrills:

By the united nations. Now previous to the British colonizing the land of Palestine, it was already under the colonial rule of the ottoman empire.
You can insult the British for all you can but they were no different from any other colonizers in history such as the fulanis, the Arabs, the Oyo empire and the Benin empire.
But as legal owners of the land, The British had the power to put it in the hands of the Jews but they chose to do the fair thing. They divided it among the 2 groups who had a claim to the land.

The land didn't need dividing in the first place. The indigenous jews lived in relative peace with Arabs. The colonizers wanted to deport their own problem, European jews enmass to Palestine, which gives the jews the overwhelming advantage. Like in Nigeria, it was a set up gor crisis all along. That is the problem.

elhakiimed:


The land didn't need dividing in the first place. The indigenous jews lived in relative peace with Arabs. The colonizers wanted to deport their own problem, European jews enmass to Palestine, which gives the jews the overwhelming advantage. Like in Nigeria, it was a set up gor crisis all along. That is the problem.

As usual, you have very little understanding of history.
Before 1948, the population of Jews in the land was 32% and 68% Arabs.
Now, over the years, the land of Palestine was colonized by the Romans, then the Byzantine Greek, then the Arabs, then the Ottoman and lastly the British.
From the time of Arab colonization, the population of Arabs continued to increase in the land. This intensified during the ottoman empire. That's why the Hebrew language was replaced by Arabic.
So for you to claim that the Arabs somehow became indigenous Jews is very laughable.
Many, of the Arabs in Palestine trace their origin to Egypt.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI_spMxp6t8?si=CAbu15IqtEioV8oZ
The link above is from your favorite tv station Al Jazeera. It clearly stated that's the Palestinians are Arabs not Jews.
Mind you, this video is very anti Israel .
Remember, you asked why we support the Jews religion aside. I hope I am giving you history reasons without and tint of religion.

tctrills:

As usual, you have very little understanding of history.
Before 1948, the population of Jews in the land was 32% and 68% Arabs.
Now, over the years, the land of Palestine was colonized by the Romans, then the Byzantine Greek, then the Arabs, then the Ottoman and lastly the British.
From the time of Arab colonization, the population of Arabs continued to increase in the land. This intensified during the ottoman empire. That's why the Hebrew language was replaced by Arabic.
So for you to claim that the Arabs somehow became indigenous Jews is very laughable.
Many, of the Arabs in Palestine trace their origin to Egypt.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kI_spMxp6t8?si=CAbu15IqtEioV8oZ
The link above is from your favorite tv station Al Jazeera. It clearly stated that's the Palestinians are Arabs not Jews.
Mind you, this video is very anti Israel .
Remember, you asked why we support the Jews religion aside. I hope I am giving you history reasons without and tint of religion.

Your comprehension literally baffles me. Indigenous jews means jews that lived in the region before the European expulsion. Never said anything about arabs morphing into jews. Jews lived in Palestine, Saudi, and all around the Arab countries. They lived before and after religion became a major part of Arab identity.

I think you're watching videos and reading with a terribly closed mind.

The video refutes your heinous claims BTW and exposed from literally the first minute the horror that ensued .

elhakiimed:


Your comprehension literally baffles me. Indigenous jews means jews that lived in the region before the European expulsion. Never said anything about arabs morphing into jews. Jews lived in Palestine, Saudi, and all around the Arab countries. They lived before and after religion became a major part of Arab identity.

I think you're watching videos and reading with a terribly closed mind.

The video refutes your heinous claims BTW.

The video clearly states that the land was occupied by Arabs not indigenous Jews as you claim.
So can you please tell us what percentage was made up of indigenous Jews and what percentage was Arab?
Also, why do you think the entire Arab world went to war with the Jews. You really think the Arabs were fighting for the rights of indigenous Jews.
Please watch the video again. Al Jazeera tells you that the land was occupied by Arabs not indigenous Jews.
Please why did you get that from.

tctrills:

The video clearly states that the land was occupied by Arabs not indigenous Jews as you claim.
So can you please tell us what percentage was made up of indigenous Jews and what percentage was Arab?
Also, why do you think the entire Arab world went to war with the Jews. You really think the Arabs were fighting for the rights of indigenous Jews.
Please watch the video again. Al Jazeera tells you that the land was occupied by Arabs not indigenous Jews.
Please why did you get that from.

Watch your video again abeg , your answers are on it. It clearly stated that Majority Arabs, jews, and Christians lived there. (From 1:52)

elhakiimed:


Watch your video again abeg , your answers are on it. It clearly stated that Majority Arabs, jews, and Christians lived there. (From 1:52)

Now you are confused. Who were the majority oga? The Jews. The Arabs, or the Christians.
Again the video clearly states that your so called European settlers are the Jews.
Please where are you getting these your false ideas from.
Hope you know that Al Jazeera is as anti Israel as can be yet even they don't buy into this your European settlers nonsense.

And from the first 30 secs of the video, the state that the land belonged to the Arabs.
Give me 10 mins let me share extracts from the videos transcript for you.

Originalsly:


As a reader.... there is nothing incoherent in the post. If it's beyond your level of comprehension why not be quiet and try to figure out from comments what it is about?

@ topic ... as someone who almost on a daily basis speak to Jews ... Israelis and Palestinians.... as someone who has watched lots of unbiased documentaries... I am not at all surprised by the actions of the Israeli. It is hard to convince me that they are not following Hitler's blue print of extermination. I can't understand how our people can be so brainwashed to not see this as genocide. 16 soldiers were killed in Delta State .... is it right for the military to invade the community where they were killed?... and eventually the entire Delta State?... killing civilians indiscriminately in the name of going after the terrorists who massacred the 16 soldiers? How can it be wrong for the Nigerian Military to carry out collective punishment .... but right for the Israeli Military to do same? The US and other countries condemn Putin for killing a few Ukranians .... ran to the ICC ... Putin wanted for war crimes ... genocide... but Netanyahu can get a pass for killing tens of thousands? Hypocrisy everywhere.

I say above because I know for sure the supporters of Israel cannot defend their stand with reason.

🤔 Hmmm......deep.

elhakiimed:


Watch your video again abeg , your answers are on it. It clearly stated that Majority Arabs, jews, and Christians lived there. (From 1:52)

Extract from the video transcript.
In addition to promising a Jewish homeland in Palestine,
They promised Arab leaders independence if they rose up against Britain's enemy, the Ottoman Empire.
The Arabs did. Hollywood even made a movie about it. Arabia's for the Arabs now.
The people who lived there were Arabs, mostly Muslims, but there were Christian and Jewish minorities too.
There was also a tiny number of European Jews.
At a time when many Jews were suffering horrific persecution in Europe,
they felt Palestine could be an escape.
The Jewish community in Palestine grew with big waves of immigration.

9.36To nobody’s surprise Palestinians -
9:38
and in fact, all Arabs - rejected the UN’s plan.

So your entire belief that the present occupants of Israel is proven false even in the most anti-Israel video

elhakiimed:


Watch your video again abeg , your answers are on it. It clearly stated that Majority Arabs, jews, and Christians lived there. (From 1:52)

I shared a video with you from the most anti-Israel perspective now let's watch a pro-Israel video to remain balanced and fair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8bkqqvoGpc
Now you can see from both sides.