popizaino:
Man city conceded 2goals to lowly Crystal Palace but scored 4goals.


I just say make i update minister of porus defence.

Be capping as usual.

Everton scored a solitary goal against 10 man Burnley and won. Same 10 man Burnley that Chelsea couldn't win with 2 goals.

There is something called clean sheet in football.

ThierryJay:


Strange, Boateng winning the MoM was due to lack of a stand out performer in both teams on that day. His saving grace was Higuain forgetting his shooting boots that match. I am talking of a memorable defensive masterclass, like:

: Puyol vs Germany WC 2010
: Ramos vs Atletico UCL final
: Gattuso vs Man Utd 2007
: Cannavaro vs Germany WC 2006
: Nesta vs Real Madrid 2003 group stage
: Ferdinand vs Liverpool 2006
: VVD vs Bayern 2019

It's not like AC Milan with prime Nesta and Maldini were not conceding goals at all. But they always gave the team's attackers the confidence to go on and win when it mattered.

What memorable performance goes beyond world cup final. Everything you listed was defenders scoring winning goals which is not their job or some non final games. You even added Gattuso who was never a defender. VVD vs Bayern in a 2nd round, Ferdinand vs Liverpool in which game? A final? Nesta in group stage? LMAO

this is a reminder of some of the actions on that final day. A final where he faced Higuain, Aguero Messo

raumdeuter:


This is how you beast a final
Molest Messi




Add Aguero to it




Show me ANY defender who has performed like this in a major final
?

raumdeuter:


I am sure you can spot VVD from this image "blocking shot"

Funny!!!

But I ask, should I bring images of Van Dijk blocking shots?

BlueMann:
Ajax are getting violated real bad. Losing 5-0 to Feyernood, they're lucky that's as bad as it is rn cos Feyernood have missed six of the nine big chances created in just over an hour.

Oh, they also haven't registered a single attempt - on or off target.

Since ETH left them they have never been the same

Jodera:

Funny!!!

But I ask, should I bring images of Van Dijk blocking shots?

Bring it and I will also bring mine wey plenty

ThierryJay:


Strange, Boateng winning the MoM was due to lack of a stand out performer in both teams on that day. His saving grace was Higuain forgetting his shooting boots that match. I am talking of a memorable defensive masterclass, like:

: Puyol vs Germany WC 2010
: Ramos vs Atletico UCL final
: Gattuso vs Man Utd 2007
: Cannavaro vs Germany WC 2006
: Nesta vs Real Madrid 2003 group stage
: Ferdinand vs Liverpool 2006
: VVD vs Bayern 2019

It's not like AC Milan with prime Nesta and Maldini were not conceding goals at all. But they always gave the team's attackers the confidence to go on and win when it mattered.

Which game was this Nesta vs Real Madrid 2003 CL group stage, I can't remember it, Can you tell me the scoreline or the date of the game so I can recall what he really did on this day

raumdeuter:


What memorable performance goes beyond world cup final. this is a reminder of some of the actions on that final day. A final where he faced Higuain, Aguero Messo

Argentina's attack put in a poor performance that match, especially higuain. There was no memorable defensive performance by any player in that final as both team's attack played below par.

It was a case of we have to give someone the MoM and obviously from the winning team and since the attackers were not great, a defender gets it.

A defensive masterclass in a WC final would be France's Desailly and Thuram against Brazil in France 98. They were exposed to real terrorists but dealt with them defensively in outstanding fashion.

I repeat, Boateng has no high profile defensive masterclass known to man.

84 minutes in, Ajax finally get their first attempt, and the shot count is 26-1 in favor of Feyernood.

This violation is historic

ThierryJay:


Argentina's attack put in a poor performance that match, especially higuain. There was no memorable defensive performance by any player in that final as both team's attack played below par.

It was a case of we have to give someone the MoM and obviously from the winning team and since the attackers were not great, a defender gets it.

A defensive masterclass in a WC final would be France's Desailly and Thuram against Brazil in France 98. They were exposed to real terrorists but dealt with them defensively in outstanding fashion.

I repeat, Boateng has no high profile defensive masterclass known to man.

The 1998 final where the main Brazilian attacker Ronaldo was sick before the game?

All these images are not defensive actions? This was the consensus of what people who watched the game had to say. I can even bring posts from Nairaland on that day

Jérôme boateng 9

Made a vital clearance after a surging run from messi and was always quick to snuff out danger. Quick, calm and authoritative, his displays in Brazil have been a revelation and he was man of the match

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/13/germany-argentina-brazil-2014-worlds-cup-final-player-ratings

boateng 9
Got better as the match progressed. Made a number of important tackles and clearances after initially being troubled by the pace of the Argentine counter-attacks. The Bayern centre-back was dominant and was Germany's star performer. Man of the match.
Rio Ferdinand's view: "boateng was immense today."
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28286068

Osimhen goal now ehn... he almost break his neck

raumdeuter:


Which game was this Nesta vs Real Madrid 2003 CL group stage, I can't remember it, Can you tell me the scoreline or the date of the game so I can recall what he really did on this day

Milan won 1-0 at San Siro with Rui Costa assisting Shevy beautifully for the only goal.

Nesta bullied all the galacticos, Ronaldo, Raul, Zidane and came out stainless.

ThierryJay:

I repeat, Boateng has no high profile defensive masterclass known to man.

Jérôme boateng 9

Made a vital clearance after a surging run from messi and was always quick to snuff out danger. Quick, calm and authoritative, his displays in Brazil have been a revelation and he was man of the match

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jul/13/germany-argentina-brazil-2014-worlds-cup-final-player-ratings

boateng 9
Got better as the match progressed. Made a number of important tackles and clearances after initially being troubled by the pace of the Argentine counter-attacks. The Bayern centre-back was dominant and was Germany's star performer. Man of the match.
Rio Ferdinand's view: "boateng was immense today."
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/28286068





Add Aguero to it

ThierryJay:
Milan won 1-0 at San Siro with Rui Costa assisting Shevy beautifully for the only goal.

Nesta bullied all the galacticos, Ronaldo, Raul, Zidane and came out stainless.

You mean this game where Nesta was not even in the matchday squad was where you saw him bully Galacticos? was he bullying them in their sleep?

If you have to add falsehood to support arguments then ...

This is the game where Sheva scored from a Rui Costa assist, Point to Nesta in the team sheet

raumdeuter:


The 1998 final where the main Brazilian attacker Ronaldo was sick before the game?

All these images are not defensive actions? This was the consensus of what people who watched the game had to say. I can even bring posts from Nairaland on that day

Brazil played with considerable threat even with a half fit Ronaldo. They had other great players in their ranks.

I didnt say Boateng did not defend well but Argentina's attack didnt really stretch him. Messi, Higuain and co were not in sync. It was not a masterclass from him. In fact what people mostly remember from that final are Higuain's misses, Gotze's winner and the overall dull attacking play. Many people dont even know Boayeng was MoM which is why I say that's not a stand out part of the game.

If you mention Milan vs Man Utd 2007, one automatically remembers Gattuso's exploits. Same as Ramos vs Atletico and VVD vs Bayern. The Boateng performance vs Argentina does not have the same feel on the memory.

raumdeuter:


You mean this game where Nesta was not even in the matchday squad was where you saw him bully Galacticos? was he bullying them in their sleep?

If you have to add falsehood to support arguments then ...

This is the game where Sheva scored from a Rui Costa assist, Point to Nesta in the team sheet

Ok your correction is noted. But note I made my point from my memory of seeing the match a long while ago and I recalled Milan's main defender snuffing out Madrid's attack time and time again. Obviously, it was Maldini not Nesta, my bad but my point still stands even if its Maldini that bossed Madrid. They played each other up to 3 times that season some of which included Nesta.

ThierryJay:


Ok your correction is noted. But note I made my point from my memory of seeing the match a long while ago and I recalled Milan's main defender snuffing out Madrid's attack time and time again. Obviously, it was Maldini not Nesta, my bad but my point still stands even if its Maldini that bossed Madrid. They played each other up to 3 times that season some of which included Nesta.

Which one of those games vs Madrid did Nesta have this masterclass

Ramos scored an equalizer vs Atletico who didn't disturb Madrid defence since Diego Costa was out injured

Plus some games that few people remember what game was that Ferdinand vs Liverpool

Surely this isn't true?

raumdeuter:


Which one of those games vs Madrid did Nesta have this masterclass

Ramos scored an equalizer vs Atletico who didn't disturb Madrid defence since Diego Costa was out injured

Plus some games that few people remember what game was that Ferdinand vs Liverpool

I've clarified that its Maldini not Nesta, same 1-0 game.

The Man Utd game, they beat Liverpool 3-0 at old trafford. Google it.

ThierryJay:


I've clarified that its Maldini not Nesta, same 1-0 game.

The Man Utd game, they beat Liverpool 3-0 at old trafford. Google it.

A random league game is what we will compare to a world cup final vs Messi Aguero and Higuain? who were Liverpools strikers that day

raumdeuter:


A random league game is what we will compare to a world cup final vs Messi Aguero and Higuain? who were Liverpools strikers that day

Lol, did you forget I mentioned Puyol, Cannavaro, Desailly, Thuram, Ramos and VVD himself in WC and UCL matches? Why cherrypick on only the outlier when it does not alter the point being made?

Goooaaalll

No disrespect to Liverpool but this team doesn’t look like a title challenging team

Kudos to klopp for what he is doing with them

ThierryJay:


Lol, did you forget I mentioned Puyol, Cannavaro, Desailly, Thuram, Ramos and VVD himself in WC and UCL matches? Why cherrypick on only the outlier when it does not alter the point being made?

Which of them was in a hig profile world cup final. You picked a game Puyol scored, Ramos scored vs Diego Costa less Atletico, Dessaily Thuram vs Sick Ronalldo

Boateng faced Messi Aguero and Higuain 3 of the most feared attackers of that time kept them scoreless battered them and won the world cup for his country

ThierryJay:


You actually have a point which is that there've been great defenders known not to shy away from robust challenges.

But there is something you are missing: Effectiveness.

At the end of it all, the hallmark of a great defender is how well he's able to prevent opponents from scoring or creating dangerous situations. It is not necessary that all great defenders have to employ the same style so long as whatever style they adopt is effective.

And it isn't a matter of argument that VVD was the EPL's most effective defender between 2018 - 2021. He had some 2-year downtime afterwards due to injury but has come back strongly since 2023 and the results for Liverpool are there for all to see.

It doesn't matter that VVD avoids lunging into tackles while Vidic and Nesta are tackling warriors. At the end of the day, they are all elite defenders that have helped their teams challenge and win league and UCL titles. What more evidence do you require?

No be only one road enter market.

Btw, Boateng no dey VVD's level.

As a football fan, have you ever heard botaeng name mentioned in any top CB discussion before?

Even in Bundelisga, he still not there

ThierryJay:

The Boateng performance vs Argentina does not have the same feel on the memory.

These are people on this forum the day of the final commenting about how immense Boateng was

If Ferdinand was commending him, BBC was, Guardian was, random posters on Nairaland were then maybe you are the outlier

Dhelake:
Boateng And Neuer Deserves Two Medals Each

chic2pimp:
MOTM......BOATENG AND BOSSTIAN!

Sportsweb:
As a football fan, have you ever heard botaeng name mentioned in any top CB discussion before?

Even in Bundelisga, he still not there

That is because you get your news from airmark
Boateng is the only defender to have won German player of the year in over 20yrs

raumdeuter:


Which of them was in a hig profile world cup final. You picked a game Puyol scored, Ramos scored vs Diego Costa less Atletico, Dessaily Thuram vs Sick Ronalldo

Boateng faced Messi Aguero and Higuain 3 of the most feared attackers of that time kept them scoreless battered them and won the world cup for his country

Higuain kept Argentina scoreless not Boateng.

All those other defenders had greater individual impact than Boateng, some were in a WC final and yes, Brazil gave France much more headache than Argentina gave Germany.

Andrey Santos with yet another solid - if unspectacular - showing at the middle of the park.

90% passing a curacy (44/49)
9/11 ground duels won
1/1 aerial duel won
4 interceptions
4 tackles
0× dribbled past

Named MOTM

Very fast start from United but Liverpool have been in control since. They're peppering United's goal

Sportsweb:
As a football fan, have you ever heard botaeng name mentioned in any top CB discussion before?

Even in Bundelisga, he still not there

He's not really have a great rep as an elite defender.

raumdeuter:


That is because you get your news from airmark
Boateng is the only defender to have won German player of the year in over 20yrs

Please show me any reputable list of where they are listing great CBs ans Botaeng name appears there.

Am waiting.

ThierryJay:


Higuain kept Argentina scoreless not Boateng.

All those other defenders had greater individual impact than Boateng, some were in a WC final and yes, Brazil gave France much more headache than Argentina gave Germany.

How can you have greater impact than in a world cup final the biggest game of the sport. I remember the Brazil vs France game, they had very few threat bar Denilson dribbling himself and a save Barthez had to make on Ronaldo

Sick Ronaldo

The only chance Higuain missed was an errant backpass sent to him by Kroos and not a defender miss, I have shown you multiple gifs of where Messi Aguero were stopped, people commenting on this thread that day acknowledged Boateng MOTM performance, analysts like Rio did, BBC and Guardian did

Yet you are the only one saying you dont recognize such but recognize vs Liverpool in a random league game, in a CL second round or in a game defenders score