Raf4:


This can happen only if Olakulehin has been crowned Olubadan. If not yet crowned, it's still for Balogun line. That's why Ajibola wants the coronation of Olakulehin delayed. They are both being selfish and buying time to their favour.

Go and read what happens when Oba Yinusa Arapasowu passed on...

And what happens between High Chief Omiyale, High Chief Kuye and the then High Chief Odulana Odugade (Late Olubadan)

Ladoja is the last of the old guard - very honest and principled.

The other high chiefs obviously do not like that. They lost their own respect when they went ahead to wear crowns, including the late king.

Ladoja stood with tradition and culture, defended the then Olubadan when other chiefs and the Governor (Ajimobi) ganged up against Olubadan. He spent his money in court to fight injustice.

Ladoja is a man of policy and he hates people that are manipulative to achieve their selfish interests. He is very intelligent as well. He is a straight shooter and that's why other chiefs do no like him. He understands the power of law and he uses it as a tool to defend himself .

Most people in ibadan are awaiting Ladoja's turn, when it eventually comes, as Olubadan. The whole of Ibadan will be engulfed in total happiness and celebration as they will reward him for his honesty.

All these attempts to scheme out Olubadan when his turn comes will be met with stiff resistance by the people. The other high chiefs will have the ibadan people to deal with.

For the other chiefs, history will not forget the way they acted .

Agunesinjaweola:

Hymmmm 🤔
You're ignorant and misinformed !
Ladoja is the only one nurtured by the truth!
He remains relevant for his past antecedents.
Above all, Ladoja is the most favoured by the opinion polls by most people to ascend Olubadan stool.

It's a known fact Ajimobi bastardized Olubadan stool because of hate and envy of Ladoja who is in line to ascend the throne.
Ajimobi wanted Ladoja to bow for him by giving him the Crown but Ladoja is very intelligent and dodged the bullet.

Most Oyo people want Ladoja to become Olubadan because of the gang up against him for refusing to wear the small Crown !
Besides, Ladoja is the most Senior next in line to the throne.

The bolded part is the feeling that's making Baba behave like this but Certainly he was wrong.
Shebi Baba first side he was opposed to the reforms because Ajimobi initiated it , why then did he still refuse the reforms when the Olubadan in council later initiated it and made recommendation to Makinde ....did Makinde also want to play Baba too? If so Why only Baba everyone dey play?
You are the uninformed on here and most likely one of those non Ibadan people making noise on matters they know little about.

adioolayi:


No correct.

For example,

Oba Yinusa Ogundipe Arapasowu as Olubadan of Ibadan land.
He ascended the throne from the Civil line.

He has:
High Chief Omiyale as Balogun Ibadan
High Chief Oiawale Kuye as Otun Olubadan
High Chief Odulana Odugade as Otun Balogun.

Because Oba Yinusa came from civil line, High chief Kuye was promoted to Otun Olubadan..the Balogun line remains unchanged.

After the demise of ObaYinusa Arapasowu, Chief Omiyale, the Balogun of Ibadan was supposed to be the next in line... unfortunately, he passed on before coronation..

The crown moved back to the civil line...Chief Olawale Kuye was next... unfortunately he also passed on..

The crown moved back to military line..that's why the Otun Balogun, chief Odulana Odugade became Olubadan..from Military Iine.

Chief gain promotions from their line and the late Oba Lekan Balogun became the Otun Olubadan...so, he became the next Olubadan from civil line.

Now that he passed on..the crown moves to military..if the next chief is unable to..it goes back to the civil line

So that's why Baba don't want to announce the next Olubadan designate, So who is he now expecting among his "enemies" to pronounce him the Olubadan designate?

We shall see how it plays out

Difrent:


The bolded part is the feeling that's making Baba behave like this but Certainly he was wrong.
Shebi Baba first side he was opposed to the reforms because Ajimobi initiated it , why then did he still refuse the reforms when the Olubadan in council later initiated it and made recommendation to Makinde ....did Makinde also want to play Baba too? If so Why only Baba everyone dey play?
You are the uninformed on here and most likely one of those non Ibadan people making noise on matters they know little about.

This same Makinde criticized Ajimobi for intervening in Olubadan's arrangement. It was all in the news. The question you should be asking was why did Makinde support what he has criticized.

Ladoja knew the recommendation done by olubadan in council was not in good faith. He knew they did it to legitimise something in illegal, and he chose not to wear the crown. The same crown other high chiefs accepted.

Ladoja is not fighting to become the next Olubadan. He just wanted things to be done rightly.

History will remember Ladoja kindly.

Difrent:


Even if Olakulehin will not be king, the next king will come from the same line too. So baba Ladoja should rest.
Yes he is the person that will nominate the Olubadan designate as the head of the line that's not producing Olubadan

Why will Olakulehin not be king

Difrent:


He has to wait his turn.
With all this his shenanigans, he thinks people won't make issues for him too when its his time abi

He is a minority here
He can only have his say , can't have his way.
He for no go withdraw the court cases now.

My joy is that Makinde has seen that this man just like making trouble and has since distanced himself from him. How can only you behave as if you are Wiser than everybody

It's very glaring that you lack the knowledge of Ibadan history, have you ever heard it that a chief was promoted because the senior chief is sick? All those chiefs influenced by the government to bastardize the Olubadan coronation process should getat. Our new Olubadan is Ọba Olakulẹhin, and tẹ State government should not in any form try to politicize the process, because it won't be funny for him. Peace out

Difrent:


So that's why Baba don't want to announce the next Olubadan designate, So who is he now expecting among his "enemies" to pronounce him the Olubadan designate?

We shall see how it plays out

Oladoja is playing mind games..

He doesn't want to appear as if he is interested.

Difrent:


The bolded part is the feeling that's making Baba behave like this but Certainly he was wrong.
Shebi Baba first side he was opposed to the reforms because Ajimobi initiated it , why then did he still refuse the reforms when the Olubadan in council later initiated it and made recommendation to Makinde ....did Makinde also want to play Baba too? If so Why only Baba everyone dey play?
You are the uninformed on here and most likely one of those non Ibadan people making noise on matters they know little about.

I've spent my entire life in Ibadan and if only I have managed to become a *MOGAJI* I would have been hopeful to become Olubadan in the first 🥇

Difrent:


But Ladoja is not the most senior high chief, he is the most senior in the Olubadan line ni,not the most senior high chief.

All the trouble Baba is making because he want to become Olubadan will come to haunt him when it's his time .
As e no dey gree so na so them no go gree for am too. We are all descendants of warriors and all have equal rights to the throne

The Otun Balogun called for Press conference in His home to announce that the Balogun whom is the Ọba designate is bed ridden, asi therefore he should not be pronounced king designate, rather him been the next Balogun should be pronounce the next Ọba designate because he's hale and hearty, Can you just imagine the political selfishness aided by the state government. Fine, the governor and Ladoja might have their political differences, but politics shouldn't be brought to our kingship process.

adioolayi:


No correct.

For example,

Oba Yinusa Ogundipe Arapasowu as Olubadan of Ibadan land.
He ascended the throne from the Civil line.

He has:
High Chief Omiyale as Balogun Ibadan
High Chief Oiawale Kuye as Otun Olubadan
High Chief Odulana Odugade as Otun Balogun.

Because Oba Yinusa came from civil line, High chief Kuye was promoted to Otun Olubadan..the Balogun line remains unchanged.

After the demise of ObaYinusa Arapasowu, Chief Omiyale, the Balogun of Ibadan was supposed to be the next in line... unfortunately, he passed on before coronation..

The crown moved back to the civil line...Chief Olawale Kuye was next... unfortunately he also passed on..

The crown moved back to military line..that's why the Otun Balogun, chief Odulana Odugade became Olubadan..from Military Iine.

Chief gain promotions from their line and the late Oba Lekan Balogun became the Otun Olubadan...so, he became the next Olubadan from civil line.

Now that he passed on..the crown moves to military..if the next chief is unable to..it goes back to the civil line

Thank you for schooling them. Ibadan I ni dàrú sir

Agunesinjaweola:

I've spent my entire life in Ibadan and if only I have managed to become a *MOGAJI* I would have been hopeful to become Olubadan in the first 🥇

You can't if your father is not from ibadan.

How can you be a "Mogaji" when your father is not from Ibadan.

Tmex:
In my opinion i think they are all being clever by half, chief ajibola is trying to arrogate the stool to himself by way of protesting the health status of the Olubadan designate, demanding that he should fully recuperate before been enthroned,knowing fully well it could swing either ways.

Chief Ladoja wants him to be quickly enthroned, knowing fully well the next Olubadan must come from the other line before it returns to his line where he is the highest in ranking to prevent any eventualities.

The gods are wise, may the best man emerge.

There are stipulated tone frame fir the coronation process which is to be determined by the king makers and not the chiefs, the arrogant High Chief Ajibola is only capitalizing on the political differences between the State government and Ladoja. A process is a process undermining who it favors.

adioolayi:


No correct.

For example,

Oba Yinusa Ogundipe Arapasowu as Olubadan of Ibadan land.
He ascended the throne from the Civil line.

He has:
High Chief Omiyale as Balogun Ibadan
High Chief Oiawale Kuye as Otun Olubadan
High Chief Odulana Odugade as Otun Balogun.

Because Oba Yinusa came from civil line, High chief Kuye was promoted to Otun Olubadan..the Balogun line remains unchanged.

After the demise of ObaYinusa Arapasowu, Chief Omiyale, the Balogun of Ibadan was supposed to be the next in line... unfortunately, he passed on before coronation..

The crown moved back to the civil line...Chief Olawale Kuye was next... unfortunately he also passed on..

The crown moved back to military line..that's why the Otun Balogun, chief Odulana Odugade became Olubadan..from Military Iine.

Chief gain promotions from their line and the late Oba Lekan Balogun became the Otun Olubadan...so, he became the next Olubadan from civil line.

Now that he passed on..the crown moves to military..if the next chief is unable to..it goes back to the civil line

I love your analysis but this current situation seems different.

The other high chiefs, from your narration, did not become Olubadan because they passed on, and the crown moved as a result.

In this case, the high chief who is meant to become olubadan is still alive but supposedly not fit medically. It is different.

The question, does the olubadan charter envisages this situation. If no, court might make a determination in this regard.

My guess so.

Q

Odidigboigbo:
Let's assumed that Baba Olakunlehin is bed ridden, does that mean that Ibadan will remain without a King or the kingship should be given to another person while he is still alive? Have a deep retrospect of this and put yourself in the shoe of Baba and his children. There is an adage in my place that says "good night, no one knows who will be awake before the other" . There is possibly of those that are saying Baba is bed ridden to die before Baba; I have seen it happen and it might likely happen again.

Bro, there is an age-long tradition that has been passed down from generations. If the olubadan designate is not fit for the throne, there is a person next in line

adioolayi:


It's the turn of Balogun line, no doubt...but it is solely for the incumbent Balogun.
If he passes on before installation..it moves to Otun Olubadan.

An Otun Balogun cannot become an Olubadan before Otun Olubadan....
Also, Osi Olubadan, for example from Civil Line cannot become an Olubadan before a Balogun....the Otun Balogun and Osi Olubadan can never have double promotion to upsurp an existing Balogun or Otun Olubadan...Never!

They will have to get promoted to their very next rank first.

You're still wrong.
Until the most senior in Balogun line is crowned now it can't move to Otun line.
If anything happens to Olakulehin b4 his coronation (God forbid), it won't go to Ladoja/Otun line, but the Otun Balogun will become Balogun and then be crowned as the Olubadan. But if Olakulehin is crowned today and something happens to him the following day or even some hours after his coronation, then Otun ie Ladoja will become Olubadan.

Raf4:


Stop this misinformation.
This is the turn of Balogun line and even if the 1st four in Balogun line become incapacitated, the 5th in line will be crowned.

Ladoja knows this that's why he wants Olakulehin to crowned as soon as possible, so that Balogun line can take their slot even if it's for a day.
Ajibola on the other hand is also trying to delay the coronation so that the Balogun's opportunity will still be available and if anything happens to Olakulehin (according to Ajibola's wish and calculation) he will automatically fill in the gap and become Olubadan.
Both Ladoja and Ajibola are using the health condition of Olakulehin to position themselves for the throne. They want to set unpalatable precedence. Whether they like it or not, Olakulehin will be crowned the next Olubadan.

But Ladoja does not have any problem with Olakulehin being crowned now now

adioolayi:


Go and read what happens when Oba Yinusa Arapasowu passed on...

And what happens between High Chief Omiyale, High Chief Kuye and the then High Chief Odulana Odugade (Late Olubadan)

Tell us what happened ooo.
To my best of knowledge, when Olubadan Arapsowu from Balogun line died, Samuel Odulana from Otun line became Olubadan.
Omiyale and Omowale Kuye you mentioned and some other high chieves were next in line to become Olubadan after Odulana, but they all died b4 him and this actually fast tracked the ascension of Omo-Aje to become Olubadan from Balogun line. They didn't give it to Lekan Balogun who was from Otun line and senior to Omo-Aje.

1ND3S7R4C71BL3:


Thank you for schooling them. Ibadan I ni dàrú sir

The guy dishing out inaccurate info.

Kukutenla:

But Ladoja does not have any problem with Olakulehin being crowned now now

Actually, Ladoja wants Olakulehin enthroned now now.

Raf4:


You're still wrong.
Until the most senior in Balogun line is crowned now it can't move to Otun line.
If anything happens to Olakulehin b4 his coronation (God forbid), it won't go to Ladoja/Otun line, but the Otun Balogun will become Balogun and then be crowned as the Olubadan. But if Olakulehin is crowned today and something happens to him the following day or even some hours after his coronation, then Otun ie Ladoja will become Olubadan.

Thank you for this .

I now understand clearly what is going on.

Each person is fighting for his selfish ambition.

Raf4:


Tell us what happened ooo.
To my best of knowledge, when Olubadan Arapsowu from Balogun line died, Samuel Odulana from Otun line became Olubadan.
Omiyale and Omowale Kuye you mentioned and some other high chieves were next in line to become Olubadan after Odulana, but they all died b4 him and this actually fast tracked the ascension of Omo-Aje to become Olubadan from Balogun line. They didn't give it to Lekan Balogun who was from Otun line and senior to Omo-Aje.

Na...they were Odulana seniors...
Both were Otun and Balogun to Arapasowu.

Odulana became Olubadan because both died before installation after the death of Arapasowu.

https://guardian.ng/features/death-of-olubadan-in-waiting-alters-ascendancy-process-in-ibadan-kingdom/

Raf4:


You're still wrong.
Until the most senior in Balogun line is crowned now it can't move to Otun line.
If anything happens to Olakulehin b4 his coronation (God forbid), it won't go to Ladoja/Otun line, but the Otun Balogun will become Balogun and then be crowned as the Olubadan. But if Olakulehin is crowned today and something happens to him the following day or even some hours after his coronation, then Otun ie Ladoja will become Olubadan.

Don't alter history...if Olubadan in waiting dies...crown moves to the other line.

The most Hugh ranking chiefs are Balogun and Otun Olubadan...the senior is determined by which line the sitting Olubadan is from...if he is from Civil...Balogun will senior Otun...if he is from Military...Otun will senior Balogun.

It's not possible for a 3rd ranking chief to upsurp a second ranking chief.

So, the likes of Otun Balogun and Osi Olubadan CANNOT become Olubadan ahead of a Balogun or Otun.. simply because of the turn of their line and the person ahead of them in their line die..No..it goes to the other line first

https://guardian.ng/features/death-of-olubadan-in-waiting-alters-ascendancy-process-in-ibadan-kingdom/

Raf4:


This can happen only if Olakulehin has been crowned Olubadan. If not yet crowned, it's still for Balogun line. That's why Ajibola wants the coronation of Olakulehin delayed. They are both being selfish and buying time to their favour.

How are they both selfish
Is it not obvious that it's Ajibola and the Balogun line that are being cunning in this matter

What does health have to do with crowning of the Olubadan

Thereishel:
Ladoja is trying to force a sick man to go through the stress of coronation so the former can be crowned as a king when the new Olubadan die within a short period of time. Ibadan with dribbling people nawa ooo

What do you suggest should be done

Raf4:


Actually, Ladoja wants Olakulehin enthroned now now.

And what's wrong with that

Sammysolution:
This is getting messy now, because if olakulehin isn't fit medically for the throne, will the balogun, the warrior's line forfeit their turn, for the agbagba's, the elder line, which has ladoja as the most senior in that line, or will it be given to the next most senior in balogun line, which is ajibola.

I might be wrong but I understand the power play now, if the Olakulehin is crowned olubadan that means if any happens Ladoja becomes the Olubadan but if he is not crowned and he dies I think Ajibola will have a claim to the crown than ladoja reason Ajibola is pushing for Olakulehin to not be crowned yet since he's unwell while Ladoja is pushing for him to be crown which makes Ladoja next in line even if the king spend only one week on the throne. Omo serious power play and game

adioolayi:


No correct.

For example,

Oba Yinusa Ogundipe Arapasowu as Olubadan of Ibadan land.
He ascended the throne from the Civil line.

He has:
High Chief Omiyale as Balogun Ibadan
High Chief Oiawale Kuye as Otun Olubadan
High Chief Odulana Odugade as Otun Balogun.

Because Oba Yinusa came from civil line, High chief Kuye was promoted to Otun Olubadan..the Balogun line remains unchanged.

After the demise of ObaYinusa Arapasowu, Chief Omiyale, the Balogun of Ibadan was supposed to be the next in line... unfortunately, he passed on before coronation..

The crown moved back to the civil line...Chief Olawale Kuye was next... unfortunately he also passed on..

The crown moved back to military line..that's why the Otun Balogun, chief Odulana Odugade became Olubadan..from Military Iine.

Chief gain promotions from their line and the late Oba Lekan Balogun became the Otun Olubadan...so, he became the next Olubadan from civil line.

Now that he passed on..the crown moves to military..if the next chief is unable to..it goes back to the civil line

Thanks for your informed analysis.

Difrent:


So that's why Baba don't want to announce the next Olubadan designate, So who is he now expecting among his "enemies" to pronounce him the Olubadan designate?

We shall see how it plays out

This is a lie. Ladoja is ready to pronounce Olakulehin as the designate.
It is the other guys on Balogun line that want it delayed for selfish reasons

adioolayi:


No correct.

For example,

Oba Yinusa Ogundipe Arapasowu as Olubadan of Ibadan land.
He ascended the throne from the Civil line.

He has:
High Chief Omiyale as Balogun Ibadan
High Chief Oiawale Kuye as Otun Olubadan
High Chief Odulana Odugade as Otun Balogun.

Because Oba Yinusa came from civil line, High chief Kuye was promoted to Otun Olubadan..the Balogun line remains unchanged.

After the demise of ObaYinusa Arapasowu, Chief Omiyale, the Balogun of Ibadan was supposed to be the next in line... unfortunately, he passed on before coronation..

The crown moved back to the civil line...Chief Olawale Kuye was next... unfortunately he also passed on..

The crown moved back to military line..that's why the Otun Balogun, chief Odulana Odugade became Olubadan..from Military Iine.

Chief gain promotions from their line and the late Oba Lekan Balogun became the Otun Olubadan...so, he became the next Olubadan from civil line.

Now that he passed on..the crown moves to military..if the next chief is unable to..it goes back to the civil line

You need to do proper research b4 coming to public to provide inaccurate submissions.

1. Oba Ogundipe Arapasowu came from Balogun line not Otun line as you mentioned here. He succeeded Oba Emmanuel Adeyemo from Otun line.
2. Oba Samuel Osunlana, who succeeded Ogundipe,was from Otun line, not Balogun as you stated.
3. Both Omiyale and Omowale Kuye were juniors to Osunlana. They were only seniors to Aje Ogunguniso, but they both died early to pave way for omo Aje Ogunguniso to become Olubadan.

It has never happened in the history of Ibadan that they moved from one lineage to another because the next in line died before coronation. Even if the next in line dies b4 coronation, the next most senior in that same lineage will be promoted and then crowned the Olubadan.

MT:


I love your analysis but this current situation seems different.

The other high chiefs, from your narration, did not become Olubadan because they passed on, and the crown moved as a result.

In this case, the high chief who is meant to become olubadan is still alive but supposedly not fit medically. It is different.

The question, does the olubadan charter envisages this situation. If no, court might make a determination in this regard.

My guess so.

There's nothing like court
Medical fitness is not a prerequisite to becoming Olubadan
Those guys are being mischievous
The right person to the throne is Olakulehin