germaphobe:

Thanks for your assertation, now following this what will you say about klopp who have spent 1.2 million and only 1 epl to show for it in 8 seasons, after bottling to man city on couple occasions, bottling champions league and Europa too?

The fact that you are seeking equivalence with another coach without addressing facts presented to you as evidence of Arteta's failure is all I need.

Roland17:


I say this all the time

Ebening achieved 5th place in the EPL with a UEL final appearance with those clowns. When Arteta dared using those set of clowns, we were nearly relegated and finished 8th for consecutive seasons.

Same players he couldn't win the UEL against Chelsea with dispist playing so well in the first half are the same set Teta won the fa cup with against same Chelsea. Same players that he used to drag us between 10th and 11th before he was sacked Teta finished with on 8 position.

Roland17:


The fact that you are seeking equivalence with another coach without addressing facts presented to you as evidence of Arteta's failure is all I need.

Which facts was presented please, seems really skipped that or there wasn't any fact but theories and hypothesis.

germaphobe:

Serial flop indeed, but then there's pep who's the world's best coach with experience at all level of competition who have only one UCL in many years of being at elite clubs like Bayern and man city where the money have never actually being his problem. But yeah the whole world expects Teta to win UCL and Uel on his first trial.

Arteta may as well quit coaching until Pep retires.

He flops in the EFL----Blame Pep
He flops in the FA------Blame Pep
He flops in the EPL----Blame Pep
He flops in the UEL-----Blame Pep
He flops in the UCL----Blame Pep

Don't you guys get tired of the cuddling?

germaphobe:

Thanks for your assertation, now following this what will you say about klopp who have spent 1.2 million and only 1 epl to show for it in 8 seasons, after bottling to man city on couple occasions, bottling champions league and Europa too?

This is not to attack Arterta o, but Klopp brought the much awaited Big trophy Epl and Ucl, just one of those bought him many years and fans never wanted him out....
Klopp over the years eliminated the mighty pep out of UCL, beat Bayern, Barca, PSG played 3 UCL finals couples with some Carabao and Fa cups....

If Arterta drops 1 UCL or EpL, He has immunity for 5years to majority of Arsenal fans.

An elite and experienced Klopp was appointed in 2015 and got his first trophy in 2019 and Liverpool stood with him all through those years. But Arsenal.........

germaphobe:

Which facts was presented please, seems really skipped that or there wasn't any fact but theories and hypothesis.

Spent nearly 700M is hypothetical?

Has had 9 transfer windows is hypothetical?

Broke transfer records is hypothetical?

Making Havertz the highest paid Arsenal player is hypothetical?

Roland17:
To those asking...Dispute any of the facts below..

TOTALLY WEAK MENTALITY!

Arteta bottled our first top 4 chance

Bottled the league last season, finishes 5 points from 1st, after topping the table for 93% of the season!

17 competitions, won 1

Tactically inept in reading game situations, lacks game, man-management and making adjustments.

Habitually mismanages the health and conditioning of our best players to the detriment of our opportunities by the end of the season.

0 transition of academy products into the first team

Shambolic performances and exits in Europe this season. (Round of 16 exit in Europa/ QF loss against Bayern)

Currently 5th highest paid coach, scheduled to be top 2-3 after his new contract when Klopp leaves.

What progress has he made post Wenger? He is still finishing top 4 with more resources. Wenger took the 2nd youngest team to the finals of the UCL.

Arteta not only signed Havertz but made him the highest earning player and has built the team around him! If that isn't a capital and fireable sin then forget it.

How about Lokonga/ Taverez/ Marquinhos/ F. Vieira signings and waste of funds?

DO YOU WANT ME TO GO ON?

Before Arteta, we're you making top 4 regularly? Prior to Arteta you made top 2 once in 14 seasons prior

Arsenal is guaranteed to make top 4. Before Arteta how many seasons can you say confidently you will make top 4

Arteta made 84points last season that last time you made 84points in the league was 20yrs ago.
You are asking what Arteta has done. Make we no lie make we no sin oh


He bottled the league? Against Pep. You know how many legendary coaches have bottled the league against Pep? Klopp in one season had like an 8points lead on Pep and he bottled it

17 competition won 1. That tends to happen when you are playing against big name coaches with deep pockets too. How many trophies has a more experienced and better Klopp won in how many tries

Any coach no matter how good will look bad when the competition is that stiff

Any manager can be accused of lacking game management and tactics. Of the league top 3, Arteta has taken 4 points off Pep and Klopp. Do you think someone who lacks game management will beat Pep 2 times and draw 1 in 9months or beat Klopp 1 time and draw the other?

What progress has he made post Wenger? We'll you are back to CL quarters for the first time in 14yrs which includes the tenure of Wenger and other coaches after. You are now a firm top 3 side in the league for the first time in almost 20yrs possibly tip 2 if Klopp leaves. Tell me that's not improvement

He crashed out in Europe like many top teams. You are complaining about crashing to one of European legacy and heritage teams what should Liverpool fans do to Klopp who crashed out of Europa quarters that they were favorite to win vs Atalanta

He signed Harvetz made him top earner but your result is showing that you are neck to neck for the title. What more should he do to convince you that he got it right

Signings and waste of funds? Welcome to the real world of a football manager. Pep has a list including Grealish Kalvin Phillips, who knows with Nunes and Kovacic possibly Doku

Abi shey na Klopp no go explain wetin he see for Nunez, Naby Keita, Oxlade, Thiago Sanwo-Olu abi na Karius

Abi make we yabara branch and stop by at Chelsea and Man utd to see wasted transfers?


I dey on mobile I for format the response better

Post Pep and Klopp, Its possible that Arsenal become the top team and league favorites

You are competing currently against coaches that are said to be all timers

[quote author=Roland17 post=129528537]

Arteta may as well quit coaching until Pep retires.

He flops in the EFL----Blame Pep
He flops in the FA------Blame Pep
He flops in the EPL----Blame Pep
He flops in the UEL-----Blame Pep
He flops in the UCL----Blame Pep

Don't you guys get tired of the cuddling?

I think you're quoting the wrong person here Boss. I don't blame pep for Teta's mistakes, matter of fact I don't blame anyone for another's mistake. What I really don't agree on is sacking Teta, who for to come exactly?

Fkhalifa:

This is not to attack Arterta o, but Klopp brought the much awaited Big trophy Epl and Ucl, just one of those bought him many years and fans never wanted him out....
Klopp over the years eliminated the mighty pep out of UCL, beat Bayern, Barca, PSG played 3 UCL finals couples with some Carabao and Fa cups....

If Arterta drops 1 UCL or EpL, He has immunity for 5years to majority of Arsenal fans.

Klopp is older and better than Arteta there is no crime in that. With time Arteta will likely gain more experience and become a force too

Despite that, Klopp sef how many he don win?
1 league and 1 CL plus 2 carabao in 9yrs despite being wayyy better and experienced

raumdeuter:


Klopp is older and better than Arteta there is no crime in that. With time Arteta will likely gain more experience and become a force too

Despite that, Klopp sef how many he don win?
1 league and 1 CL plus 2 carabao in 9yrs despite being wayyy better and experienced

Dayo abeg stop. If anything, we have helped his career big time with this OJT (On the job training) privilege he is enjoying. In 3 years after hire, Klopp won the EPL and UCL. Question, will Bayern fire Arteta if he went 17 competitions with 1 trophy?

Roland17:


Spent nearly 700M is hypothetical?

Has had 9 transfer windows is hypothetical?

Broke transfer records is hypothetical?

Making Havertz the highest paid Arsenal player is hypothetical?

If he isn't promising to the kreonkes and helping in recovering the funds by 2nd league finish and qualifying for ucl do you think they wouldn't be shouting and wailing more than us fans.

Every now and then transfer records are broken because transfer fees keep going up.

Isn't Havertz a player he isn't as bad as we make him look like when Teta plays him in CF (na just say even de Arteta get problem for head)

Roland17:


Dayo abeg stop. If anything, we have helped his career big time with this OJT (On the job training) privilege he is enjoying. In 3 years after hire, Klopp won the EPL and UCL. Question, will Bayern fire Arteta if he went 17 competitions with 1 trophy?

na typo be this?. How may competitions did Klopp feature in from 2015-2019 when he won his first?.

germaphobe:


If he isn't promising to the kreonkes and helping in recovering the funds by 2nd league finish and qualifying for ucl do you think they wouldn't be shouting and wailing more than us fans.

Every now and then transfer records are broken because transfer fees keep going up.

Isn't Havertz a player he isn't as bad as we make him look like when Teta plays him in CF (na just say even de Arteta get problem for head)

So, we can agree these are not hypothetical and theories but facts?

Roland17:


So, we can agree these are not hypothetical and theories but facts?

the only fact is see here is the transfer amount you quoted which isn't even specific and accurate.

Roland17:


Dayo abeg stop. If anything, we have helped his career big time with this OJT (On the job training) privilege he is enjoying. In 3 years after hire, Klopp won the EPL and UCL. Question, will Bayern fire Arteta if he went 17 competitions with 1 trophy?

Was that Klopps first job? Klopps first job was at Mainz and he relegated them

So you wan compare ready made almost 15yrs experience of Klopp before joining Liverpool with Arteta? You think experience is for free?

Why you think say 4yrs experience dey less preferred to 15yrs experience

Bayern will fire or not depending on where he met us.

If he met us struggling to make top 6 and now made us consistent top 3 then I doubt he would be fired

Same way Liverpool didn't fire Klopp when he wasn't winning because they knew where he met them before turning them to a consistent top 4 side

If you don't know where you are coming from you won't appreciate the progress made


Or why you think say una dey play CL quarters for the first time in 14yrs?

germaphobe:

na typo be this?. How may competitions did Klopp feature in from 2015-2019 when he won his first?.

Klopp was hired in 2015, Liverpool won the UCL in 18/19 (3 years) and the EPL during the 19/20 season (4 years).

He also won World's best coach for consecutive seasons.

So where is the lie or typo?

You dey enter game vs Bayern as bookies favorite for the first time ever

Not even under the Wenger days did that happen or you think that has nothing to do with Arteta?

You lost agreed, Just like many favorites including Pep lost as favorites

Do you agree with him? He opines that the fact that Odegaard is the best in all Europe for this is a bad sign for the most creative player in our team.

Roland17:


Klopp was hired in 2015, Liverpool won the UCL in 18/19 (3 years) and the EPL during the 19/20 season (4 years).

He also won World's best coach for consecutive seasons.

So where is the lie or typo?

Ok yes I counted the years instead of the seasons, my bad. But but Klopp was already an elite UCL and bundesliga proven manager while Arteta is is......... And they still had patience with an experienced coach for 3 years but somehow Arsenal shouldn't have patience with Arteta even as his progress is shown viable to all.

raumdeuter:
You dey enter game vs Bayern as bookies favorite for the first time ever

Not even under the Wenger days did that happen or you think that has nothing to do with Arteta?

You lost agreed, Just like many favorites including Pep lost as favorites

This is more of an indictment and buttresses my position. Under Wenger no one expected us to come out but we fail when we are favored against the weakest Bayern side.

In case you have forgotten, Bayern were without some keys players and barely beat Porto in a game we looked poor.

daveP:
Do you agree with him? He opines that the fact that Odegaard is the best in all Europe for this is a bad sign for the most creative player in our team.

My dear,

You better leave that Arsenal club oh. Don't die before your time. Sheybi I told you earlier this week about Sunday match. Una don play another rubbish days back.

April Fools is definitely Arsenal.

I come in peace.

germaphobe:


Ok yes I counted the years instead of the seasons, my bad. But but Klopp was already an elite UCL and bundesliga proven manager while Arteta is is......... And they still had patience with an experienced coach for 3 years but somehow Arsenal shouldn't have patience with Arteta even as his progress is shown viable to all.

Y'all need to stop already.

Ebening took a bunch of clowns to the UEL final in 18 months as head coach. We are going into year 5, Arteta has never gotten to the Semi-final of any European competition despite being favored in all of them. Let him replicate some of these things first.

What are we doing here sef?

daveP:
Do you agree with him? He opines that the fact that Odegaard is the best in all Europe for this is a bad sign for the most creative player in our team.

It is not a bad sign. Ode is good at what he does so also are dynamic 10s like KDB.
The analysis is even faulty because we don't play with number 10.

It is left for the club to sign a no 10 to complement Odegaard.

Roland17:


Y'all need to stop already.

Ebening took a bunch of clowns to the UEL final in 18 months as head coach. We are going into year 5, Arteta has never gotten to the Semi-final of any European competition despite being favored in all of them. Let him replicate some of these things first.

What are we doing here sef?

Why didn't emery take us to the UCL?. What's UEL final if you didn't get the trophy?. Wenger played the final too with our finest squad and lost

raumdeuter:


Before Arteta, we're you making top 4 regularly? Prior to Arteta you made top 2 once in 14 seasons prior

Arsenal is guaranteed to make top 4. Before Arteta how many seasons can you say confidently you will make top 4

Arteta made 84points last season that last time you made 84points in the league was 20yrs ago.
You are asking what Arteta has done. Make we no lie make we no sin oh


He bottled the league? Against Pep. You know how many legendary coaches have bottled the league against Pep? Klopp in one season had like an 8points lead on Pep and he bottled it

17 competition won 1. That tends to happen when you are playing against big name coaches with deep pockets too. How many trophies has a more experienced and better Klopp won in how many tries

Any coach no matter how good will look bad when the competition is that stiff

Any manager can be accused of lacking game management and tactics. Of the league top 3, Arteta has taken 4 points off Pep and Klopp. Do you think someone who lacks game management will beat Pep 2 times and draw 1 in 9months or beat Klopp 1 time and draw the other?

What progress has he made post Wenger? We'll you are back to CL quarters for the first time in 14yrs which includes the tenure of Wenger and other coaches after. You are now a firm top 3 side in the league for the first time in almost 20yrs possibly tip 2 if Klopp leaves. Tell me that's not improvement

He crashed out in Europe like many top teams. You are complaining about crashing to one of European legacy and heritage teams what should Liverpool fans do to Klopp who crashed out of Europa quarters that they were favorite to win vs Atalanta

He signed Harvetz made him top earner but your result is showing that you are neck to neck for the title. What more should he do to convince you that he got it right

Signings and waste of funds? Welcome to the real world of a football manager. Pep has a list including Grealish Kalvin Phillips, who knows with Nunes and Kovacic possibly Doku

Abi shey na Klopp no go explain wetin he see for Nunez, Naby Keita, Oxlade, Thiago Sanwo-Olu abi na Karius

Abi make we yabara stol by at Chelsea and Man utd to see wasted transfers?


I dey on mobile I for format the response better

Post Pep and Klopp, Its possible that Arsenal become the top team and league favorites

You are competing currently against coaches that are said to be all timers

Before Arterta Arsenal wasn't spending like he was allowed to...Wenger was making top4 with average players till 2016... Arsenal came 2nd in 2015 all with average buys....

Arterta didn't make top4 in his first 2 seasons, it was after the huge investment and him priotizing the top4 ahead of other competitions.....

Arterta has done fine no doubt but it's not like he has done something out of this world...Arsene and Emery would have gotten 84 points were they have been boosted financially and priotized the league...

Arsenal had a chance against Bayern this year due to bayerns poor form nothing more.

raumdeuter:


Klopp is older and better than Arteta there is no crime in that. With time Arteta will likely gain more experience and become a force too

Despite that, Klopp sef how many he don win?
1 league and 1 CL plus 2 carabao in 9yrs despite being wayyy better and experienced

I agree and that's if Arterta should stop being a starting 11 coach....he needs to learn how to manage squad....Klopp was able to survive the massive injury spells his players had in the season.... Arsenal would have crumbled since if they had that injury list...An Injury to Saliba alone made Arsenal's defense looked ordinary last year.... He should work on squad management and not starting 11 one competition coach.

raumdeuter:


Before Arteta, we're you making top 4 regularly? Prior to Arteta you made top 2 once in 14 seasons prior

Arsenal is guaranteed to make top 4. Before Arteta how many seasons can you say confidently you will make top 4

Arteta made 84points last season that last time you made 84points in the league was 20yrs ago.
You are asking what Arteta has done. Make we no lie make we no sin oh


He bottled the league? Against Pep. You know how many legendary coaches have bottled the league against Pep? Klopp in one season had like an 8points lead on Pep and he bottled it

17 competition won 1. That tends to happen when you are playing against big name coaches with deep pockets too. How many trophies has a more experienced and better Klopp won in how many tries

Any coach no matter how good will look bad when the competition is that stiff

Any manager can be accused of lacking game management and tactics. Of the league top 3, Arteta has taken 4 points off Pep and Klopp. Do you think someone who lacks game management will beat Pep 2 times and draw 1 in 9months or beat Klopp 1 time and draw the other?

What progress has he made post Wenger? We'll you are back to CL quarters for the first time in 14yrs which includes the tenure of Wenger and other coaches after. You are now a firm top 3 side in the league for the first time in almost 20yrs possibly tip 2 if Klopp leaves. Tell me that's not improvement

He crashed out in Europe like many top teams. You are complaining about crashing to one of European legacy and heritage teams what should Liverpool fans do to Klopp who crashed out of Europa quarters that they were favorite to win vs Atalanta

He signed Harvetz made him top earner but your result is showing that you are neck to neck for the title. What more should he do to convince you that he got it right

Signings and waste of funds? Welcome to the real world of a football manager. Pep has a list including Grealish Kalvin Phillips, who knows with Nunes and Kovacic possibly Doku

Abi shey na Klopp no go explain wetin he see for Nunez, Naby Keita, Oxlade, Thiago Sanwo-Olu abi na Karius

Abi make we yabara stol by at Chelsea and Man utd to see wasted transfers?


I dey on mobile I for format the response better

Post Pep and Klopp, Its possible that Arsenal become the top team and league favorites

You are competing currently against coaches that are said to be all timers

In summary....Arteta's problem is Pep Guardiola, right?

germaphobe:

Why didn't emery take us to the UCL?. What's UEL final if you didn't get the trophy?. Wenger played the final too with our finest squad and lost

Why didn't you spend and give ebening time too?

germaphobe:

Why didn't emery take us to the UCL?. What's UEL final if you didn't get the trophy?. Wenger played the final too with our finest squad and lost

He spent 18 months and took us to the final of the UEL. Arteta has spent 48 months as head coach and we have 1 UCL appearance to show for it, despite the gulf in investment and tenure.

Fkhalifa:

Why didn't you spend and give ebening time too?

During Emery's time the transfer market wasn't this high. In all this back and forth argument, what I know is that Arteta is not leaving Arsenal at the end of season, yes he fxcks up but sometimes the players have to share the blame and not the coach. Would we be here with all these write ups if Arsenal made use of the chances vs Villa at first half?, Would we have crashed out if white had scored that 2nd goal instead of blast at Neur?, What if Gabriel, Saliba and Raya maintained composure at the back, would we have conceded those kind of goals. Some days you guys are compliment Teta for his in-game management and how he has improved greatly on that, and other days we slaughter him here for same. Mistakes are part of the game, losses happen from time to time cus you can't always win, but getting pessimistic and emotional after each loss isn't really my thing.

iamoyindamola:

Brigthon coach is good infact better than arteta
Replace the 2 and you will see result

I won't say anything. If I say anything I will cause fight.