Kobojunkie:
1. Is there some sort of Law allowing God to do exactly that which has been the fate of men since the very beginning or something?

2. If the Devil is not revealed to be a subject that is subject to God's Law and Will to the sons of men, how could he be found guilty of going against God's Law for instance the Law of Moses?

So you mean that the devil is not under the will/law of God and that he can never go against the will of God?

Michael547:
■ So you mean that the devil is not under the will/law of God and that he can never go against the will of God?

No Scripture states that the Devil is under the same contract— the Will of God aka God's Law — that God gave to the people of Israel or to His followers in Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
No Scripture states that the Devil is under the same contract that God gave to the people of Israel or to His followers in Jesus Christ.

Are you saying that it is only the law that God gave to the people of isreal and followers of christ that exist?
Are there no laws in heaven?

Michael547:
■ Are you saying that it is only the law that God gave to the people of isreal and Christians that exist?
■ Are there no laws in heaven?

1. Where in the world do you get that notion from? Certainly not from any of my retorts so far given that earlier I had mentioned that a Law existed even before Adam and God. How did you miss that one?

2. If you are asking if the God of Israel gave us the employment contract between Him and the Devil, the answer is that it is not recorded in Scripture. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Kobojunkie:
1. Where in the world do you get that notion from? Certainly not from any of my retorts so far given that earlier I had mentioned that a Law existed even before Adam and God. How did you miss that one?

2. If you are asking if the God of Israel gave us the employment contract between Him and the Devil, the answer is that it is not recorded in Scripture. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

What was the law that existed before Adam and God?

Michael547:
■ What was the law that existed before Adam and God?

Before? How the fk am I supposed to know that?

Kobojunkie:
Before? How the fk am I supposed to know that?

So the devil has not been under any law/will of God?

Michael547:
■ So the devil has not been under any law/will of God?

Again, If you are asking if the God of Israel gave us the employment contract between Him and the Devil, the answer is that it is not recorded in Scripture. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Kobojunkie:
Again, If you are asking if the God of Israel gave us the employment contract between Him and the Devil, the answer is that it is not recorded in Scripture. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You are funny....is that the question I am asking?
Is the devil under any law whatsoever? Yes or no?

Michael547:
■ You are funny....is that the question I am asking? Is the devil under any law whatsoever? Yes or no?

Is it stated anywhere in Scripture that the devil is under some special contact with God? You tell me given that my "I don't know since I don't have any evidence of such" responses up until now do not seem to satisfy you at all.

Kobojunkie:
Is it stated anywhere in Scripture that the devil is under some special contact with God? You tell me given that my "I don't know since I don't have any evidence of such" responses up until now do not seem to satisfy you at all.

But you've stated that the devil is God's quality control manager and that God sends him to tell people to go against his will.
Do you mean that the devil does not have freedom of choice to refuse to go and convince people to disobey God?

Michael547:
∆ But you've stated that the devil is God's quality control manager and that God sends him to tell people to go against his will. Do you mean that the devil does not have freedom of choice to refuse to go and convince people to disobey God?

Freedom of choice? The devil? You mean like instead of him doing which he was meant to do according to God's pre programming of him from his beginning, the devil would choose to go against his core programming and maybe try to do good ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Kobojunkie:
Freedom of choice? The devil? You mean like instead of him doing which he was meant to do according to God's pre programming of him from his beginning, the devil would choose to go against his core programming and maybe try to do good ? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Oh so the devil does not even have a brain of his own?
Wow.
So when Jesus told the devil to get away, he was actually telling God to get away.

Kobojunkie:
Why is God to blame for the ignorance of some humans though?

God has never given humans the impression that He is only responsible for that which they individually perceive as good in this world — not at all. The book of Scripture from which you lifted your one verse, a book more than 1000 years strong, clearly indicates that from the beginning God has been the controller, and power, maneuvering all that is good and all that is evil in the land. So, isn't it stack ignorance to pretend that somehow God is the side of your very own myopic reasoning as opposed to that which is established of Him from even thousands of years before your conceiption?

exactly my point. I mean look at our lord Jesus on the cross calling out to the Father but he was snubbed. God is mysterious.

MaxInDHouse:


The Hebrew and Greek word translated Hell simply means GRAVE so God never created a place of torment for anyone in fact such thing has never come into His heart! Jeremiah 7:31

Sodom and Gomorrah were burnt my sulfur and fire storm...abi that one na figure of speech? Look at volcanic eruption and flooding? Life is mysterious. God is very mysterious.

Docodes:
Sodom and Gomorrah were burnt my sulfur and fire storm...abi that one na figure of speech? Look at volcanic eruption and flooding? Life is mysterious. God is very mysterious.

Destruction of living creatures totally differs from tormenting living creatures.
It's when you see 'TORMENT' that is symbolic term God used any form of instrument to destroy His enemies and send them to oblivion but keeping them alive to be tormented?
Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaa that negates His attributes! 1John 4:8

Docodes:
exactly my point. I mean look at our lord Jesus on the cross calling out to the Father but he was snubbed. God is mysterious.

Jesus Christ was not snubbed by God. Jesus Christ outcry was instead to announce what has befallen Him at that point I'm time due to the curse which came upon Him as a result of hanging on the cross to die. He was a righteous man and the righteous are Sons of God. However, due to the curse, He lost His status. (That which is cursed by God is an abomination to God.) That cry was to confirm He had been damned by the Law for hanging on the tree to die.

If you read what Jesus Christ Himself said in John 10 vs 10 - 18 of His death, you would find that Jesus Christ did not need saving even while hanging on the cross. He laid down His own life and Had power to pick it back up again of His own ability --- no third- parties needed.

2. God is not mysterious. There is more than enough information contained in the Book of Scripture to draw a clear enough profile of His being and the relationship between Him and those whom He chose to enter into contract with by way of His Laws and Covenants. You only need to open your mind to allow that information seep. This is not to tell you to believe in Him or simply but asking you educate your mind rather than continue to cling to ignorant ideas that themselves have no bearing in what is in fact contained in the book.

Michael547:
∆ Oh so the devil does not even have a brain of his own?
Wow.
∆ So when Jesus told the devil to get away, he was actually telling God to get away.

So, in your mind, the only kind of brain that God was able to design and create is one that displays the human reasoning and will? 🤔🤔🤔

2. I don't follow your reasoning here at all. Devil is a tempter program planted by God in the worlds He creates by way of His Laws to test men with. How can Jesus Christ resisting the devil amount to Jesus Christ resisting God given that by resisting the devil He accomplished that which God had in fact instructed of Him which is to obey His Commandments and Teachings? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

Michael547:

Oh so the devil does not even have a brain of his own?
Wow.
So when Jesus told the devil to get away, he was actually telling God to get away.

When I say Christianity is a mockery against God, people will go ballistic..

The devil is under God's control. He does nothing outside his duties without taking permission from God..

There is just nothing God created that he can't control.

FYI the devil is just the Orisha of darkness AKA the moon. Nothing more, nothing less.
He is not an evil God
Only the creator is God....nothing else.

Michael547:

Do you think it makes sense for people in the bible to pray to God against evil that is to befall them if God himself was the architect and mastermind of all evil?

2nd chronicles 7:14-15

13 If I shut up heaven that there be no rain, or if I command the locusts to devour the land, or if I send pestilence among my people;



14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.


Did you read verse 13?

MaxInDHouse:


God sent Satan to Jesus then Jesus resisted the servant of God sent to him! Matthew 4:10

Sometimes it's funny chatting with people who don't just want to listen and learn!

When I say the gospel stories are mockeries against God you will not get it...
The anonymous people who wrote it never knew anything about God. If they knew that the devil or Satan is under God's control they wouldn't have said that..and moreover who was there with Jesus to record it...

So we that left Christianity, we have a very valid and good reason

Michael547:

Are you joking.....you just agreed that God is the architect of all evil....so why would he tell people to pray against his evil actions that are perpertrates by his human creations?

Where did God ask people to pray..

God ..I mean, not the Jman. He is just an imposter...

sonmvayina:

When I say the gospel stories are mockeries against God you will not get it...
The anonymous people who wrote it never knew anything about God. If they knew that the devil or Satan is under God's control they wouldn't have said that..and moreover who was there with Jesus to record it...
So we that left Christianity, we have a very valid and good reason

Sonmvayina i've told you to stop quoting me because your comments makes no sense at all to me so you can continue chatting with others but please my side is a no go area for you.

Thanks!

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ was not snubbed by God. Jesus Christ outcry was instead to announce what has befallen Him at that point I'm time due to the curse which came upon Him as a result of hanging on the cross to die. He was a righteous man and the righteous are Sons of God. However, due to the curse, He lost His status. (That which is cursed by God is an abomination to God.) That cry was to confirm He had been damned by the Law for hanging on the tree to die.

If you read what Jesus Christ Himself said in John 10 vs 10 - 18 of His death, you would find that Jesus Christ did not need saving even while hanging on the cross. He laid down His own life and Had power to pick it back up again of His own ability --- no third- parties needed.

2. God is not mysterious. There is more than enough information contained in the Book of Scripture to draw a clear enough profile of His being and the relationship between Him and those whom He chose to enter into contract with by way of His Laws and Covenants. You only need to open your mind to allow that information seep. This is not to tell you to believe in Him or simply but asking you educate your mind rather than continue to cling to ignorant ideas that themselves have no bearing in what is in fact contained in the book.

what is in the scriptures is information that will save one from day of judgement. There are a lot of secrets. What is the new name of Jesus. There are a lot of mysteries which is why the Holy spirit was sent to us.

Docodes:
■ what is in the scriptures is information that will save one from day of judgement.
■ There are a lot of secrets. What is the new name of Jesus. There are a lot of mysteries which is why the Holy spirit was sent to us.

1. There is no truth to that misinformation that you fed from the mouths of the religious who are described in Scripture as thieves who come to steal, to kill, and to destroy — scammers and liars!

2. Again, in those scripts you replay are the lies that were fed to you by those noted instead as scammers and liars in Scripture. Stop feeding off of the ignorance of others; begin now unlearning all that nonsense you have been previously fed as a gullible recipient of wisdom from notorious conmen. Go read the book of your own to learn what is in fact contained.

Kobojunkie:
So, in your mind, the only kind of brain that God was able to design and create is one that displays the human reasoning and will? 🤔🤔🤔

2. I don't follow your reasoning here at all. Devil is a tempter program planted by God in the worlds He creates by way of His Laws to test men with. How can Jesus Christ resisting the devil amount to Jesus Christ resisting God given that by resisting the devil He accomplished that which God had in fact instructed of Him which is to obey His Commandments and Teachings? 🤔🤔🤔🤔

1)What type of brain does the devil have?

2)You are a very funny man.....was it not God that was speaking through the devil to Jesus according to you? So how does Jesus resisting the devil not mean that he was resisting God?

Michael547:
■ You are a very funny man.....was it not God that was speaking through the devil to Jesus according to you? So how does Jesus resisting the devil not mean that he was resisting God?

Pay close attention to what God said again in His Law so you understand where your reasoning fell off the rail.

5 So now I tell you to obey my commands and keep my agreement. So if you do this, you will be my own special people. The whole world belongs to me, but I am choosing you to be my own special people. - Exodus 19:5

To obey God is to resist the Devil(regardless of who you wish to believe is speaking through Him). God instructed His people to choose obedience. And obedience is counter to disobedience(embracing the devil).

15 “Today I have given you a choice between life and death, success and disaster.
16 I command you today to love the Lord your God. I command you to follow him and to obey his commands, laws, and rules. Then you will live, and your nation will grow larger. And the Lord your God will bless you in the land that you are entering to take for your own.
17 But if you turn away from your God and refuse to listen, if you are led away to worship and serve other gods,
18 you will be destroyed. I am warning you today, if you turn away from God, you will not live long in that land across the Jordan River that you are ready to enter and take for your own.
19 “Today I am giving you a choice of two ways. And I ask heaven and earth to be witnesses of your choice. You can choose life(good) or death(evil). The first choice will bring a blessing. The other choice will bring a curse. So choose life! Then you and your children will live.
20 You must love the Lord your God and obey him. Never leave him, because he is your life. And he will give you a long life in the land that he, the Lord, promised to give to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.” - Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20

To resist the Devil, Jesus Christ quoted the Law of Moses at him all 3 times. Why? Because God's instruction even after laying down both good(Life) and evil(curses) before His own was for them to choose Life(blessings).

MaxInDHouse:


When you read any part of the Bible and you find it difficult to grasp all you need is to raise up your voice for understanding by asking other Bible believers around you. Proverbs 2:3

This is what it means:

When the true God sends His messenger on a mission such a person may be scared of the unknown so whatever it could be that humans finds as deadly or dangerous God is telling us that He created what made up that thing so He can turn it into something else.

Take for instance when the Israelites needed daylight to win a battle against their enemies Joshua a servant of God told the sun to stand still for almost 24 hours {Joshua 10:12-14} this proved that God who created light we call "day" and darkness we call "night" can reverse it to favour His people! Isaiah 45:7

Again do you remember the three Hebrews in Babylon?
Nebuchadnezzars believed so much in the destructive power of fire but when God wants to prove He's the One who created the gasses that formed fire He turned it into air-conditioner for Shadrach, Meshach And Abednego yet the same fire killed those that threw these three boys into it! Daniel 3:19-27

What about the time of Noah when water that we need to grow our plants was turned into a force that wiped out all creatures on dry ground?

Please when next you need an interpretation of God's word just raise your voice for understanding and the true God will surely send one of His servants to help you out.

Thanks, God bless you and may you have PEACE!

Hahaha

Kobojunkie:
Pay close attention to what God said again in His Law so you understand where your reasoning fell off the rail. To obey God is to resist the Devil(regardless of who you wish to believe is speaking through Him). God instructed His people to choose obedience. And obedience is counter to disobedience(embracing the devil).
To resist the Devil, Jesus Christ quoted the Law of Moses at him all 3 times. Why? Because God's instruction even after laying down both good(Life) and evil(curses) before His own was for them to choose Life(blessings).

So God tells people to obey His laws and God also tells them to disobey his laws through the devil. How does this even makes sense to you?😁😁

So how do you explain the conversation that happened between the devil and God in the book of Job since the devil has no choice or freedom of his own?

Michael547:
So God tells people to obey His laws and God also tells them to disobey his laws through the devil. How does this even makes sense to you?😁😁

Yes, God makes very good sense to me.

Kobojunkie:
Oh, God makes very good sense to me.

😁😁😁you are a very funny person.

Michael547:

😁😁😁you are a very funny person.

You can tell yourself that.