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Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Emperordynasty: 4:54pm On May 07 |
Good day Nairaland. As a big culture enthusiats I have given myself to study the history of the african people. And one of the cultures that fascinates me is that of Ancient Benin. The great Civilization of the Benin people has been known to some to have attained the Empire status at some point in time and later declined to just a kingdom. Others disagree that the Benin Empire was never an Empire at all, but just a large kingdom with influence over small villiages. And a different school of thought butress the idea that BENIN was more of a city state that only influenced their neighbours because of its unique culture. Personally i am of the opinion that the benin people where actually the inhabitants of a kingdom that became an empire, Because by the very definition of an empire, the Oba of benin had control over many other territories aside his major base which was in Edo. He extended both political,social and military control over regions far away from his own people. Places under the direct subjugation of benin where part of his empire. But places with independent rulership who only shared similar values with the benin heritage where influenced by Benin not as a kingdom but as an iconic city state. Let me know your opinion below, we are all learning there should be no need for abuse and insults Anyways if you want to find out more about the Benin King who took benin from a small kingdom to an empire Click the link below to watch the video on the life and rise of Oba Ewaure the Great of benin To get an idea of what we are saying https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU_a-vEHi5k?si=33nKpxwFDJsw7Ort |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Emperordynasty: 4:56pm On May 07 |
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Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Emperordynasty: 4:59pm On May 07 |
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Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by STEWpid(f): 8:31pm On May 07 |
Chai.. My leg crossed with Zobo in the hand, waiting to read something meaningful. |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Emperordynasty: 5:08am On May 08 |
STEWpid:Lol me too o |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Ghostagain: 7:52pm On May 08 |
It is funny that when you want to discuss Benin history, you feel the urge to ask yoruba to be involved in the conversation why not also ask haussa and fulani and igbo and Nupe to be involved ? |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Ghostagain: 8:00pm On May 08 |
Nigerians are mostly illustrates in the field of history. You guys lack the basis. 1. What is an empire ? Answer: an empire is a kingdom, the name comes from the romans. Indeed Cesar made himself king but since kingship was not popular, he created the title emperor for himself. So he was emperor, not king, while in reality it was the same thing. "Empire" has often been used for different purposes, it could be to describe a large kingdom or to describe a union of several previously independent kingdoms into one kingdom with the true king using the title emperor while the former kings and new dukes keep the title "king". To conclude with, empire is a word with many meanings, but in each meaning you have a kingdom of which you are either emphasizing the size, the power, or the way the kingdom was created. |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Ghostagain: 8:09pm On May 08 |
2. You need to learn how to research history rather than inviting people to come and "teach" you history in an internet forum. So first ask yourself how to research history. And again, stop focusing on words like "empire", an empire is a kingdom. Let me help you: look for documents written hundreds of years ago by people who visited our ancestors. 3. Nigerians in general don't know what a kingdom is, they can't differentiate city, village and kingdom. A kingdom is a country with cities and villages within it, for example the united kingdom is a kingdom. Greece is a kingdom, France was a kingdom, Germany was a kingdom... 4. A map published in 1747 https://uniquemaps.eu/products/rare-old-map-of-africa-1747-by-emanuel-bowen-pre-colonial-handcoloured-slave-trade-negroland-ethiopia-barbary-nubia?currency=EUR&variant=42258880200934&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Google%20Shopping&cmp_id=21215140934&adg_id=&kwd=&device=m&gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0KCQjwxeyxBhC7ARIsAC7dS3_uvAOs2O9GTFmt6diqEexvLzkAJFmfXyTp4j1eU-aMXafzFbxh4-oaArpyEALw_wcB
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Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Emperordynasty: 10:20am On May 09 |
Ghostagain:I don't think i invited any tribe in particular.this thread is upon to all historically inclined nairalanders |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Emperordynasty: 10:22am On May 09 |
Ghostagain: Your points are quite fascinating, its a very unique view to the subject |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Ghostagain: 10:29am On May 09 |
Emperordynasty:You confuse "tribalism tales of superiority" with history. You clearly did invite two tribalistic Benin-denying yoruba to a thread about Benin history. When you want to learn about haussa history, do you invite tribalistic anti-haussa igbo to have their input ? |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by samuk: 1:47pm On May 09 |
Your motive is not clear, but just incase you are up to something else, Benin had nothing to do with Ife until the fairytale was invented in 1897. I just want to leave this here now because we know how thread like this usually ends.
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Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Ghostagain: 3:56pm On May 09 |
Benin city: formerly called Edda, Benin city was/is the CAPITAL city of Benin Kingdom like Abuja is the capital city of Nigeria. Benin Kingdom is the precolonial country whose capital we refer to as Benin city. Stop confusing Benin city with Benin kingdom. Benin kingdom was a large kingdom (in this sense an empire), Benin city was only a city within Benin kingdom. The Oba of Benin is the King of Benin kingdom, all of it, not just Benin city.
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Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Emperordynasty: 5:47pm On May 09 |
Ghostagain:Boss,.i know Macof,gregyboy and Tao12 to be very responsive to history section. Thats why i called them out to give their input Besides the topic is solely about benin kingdom, its not in comparison with any other african society, if it was i would clearly state it |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Emperordynasty: 5:48pm On May 09 |
samuk:I'm not concerned about ths Benin Origin or connection to any other tribal group, in terms of origin.. I'm only here to discuss how large the benin Empire was if it wss actually an empire (which i believe it was) |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Ghostagain: 5:55pm On May 09 |
Emperordynasty:So you still think having the input of yoruba supremacists who hate Benin to the core on Benin history of which they know nothing is a reasonable approach ? When you are wrong, just admit it and stop thinking you can talk your way into being right. |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Ghostagain: 5:59pm On May 09 |
Emperordynasty:Can your eyes see maps ? It is not people born more than 100 years after the British defeated Benin kingdom who will tell you how big Benin kingdom was. I posted a map drawn in 1747 by people who witnessed Benin, you seem to not have noticed eventhough I posted it several times. It is on such documents that you can see how Benin was. Your approach is not very intellectual in nature. You're giving me the vibes of a bar conversation. And you clearly invited yoruba supremacists in order to have an e-war. |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Emperordynasty: 6:12pm On May 09 |
Ghostagain: Hmm the people i mentioned are mostly experts on Benin History, someone like Gregyboy or macoff Tao12 is probably your focus ,because she obviously doesnt share the same views we have.. I have that it in mind, No meaningful debate takes place without an opposing force |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Emperordynasty: 6:13pm On May 09 |
Ghostagain:i was more focused on replying your comment, I'll go study the map now |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Ghostagain: 6:22pm On May 09 |
Emperordynasty:None of them is an expert on Benin history. Only two of them (samuk and gregyboy) actually do proper research on Benin history. Dude, look, history is not a debate. It's a science based on research. When I'm doing mathematics, I usually don't go out of my way to look for lunatics who do not believe that 1+1=2. Right from the beginning of your message you showed that you are not very well educated. I've given you advise but you just can't deviate. Go and look at threads about yoruba "history", tell me where any Edo is invited to give his input ! Go and look at those about igbo "history", only Igbos are invited, same with haussa, but of course for Benin history you need to invite two yoruba supremacists who hate Benin. I guess in your mind Benin people don't have the right to own Benin heritage unlike all others who have the right to their heritage. Look, you know what, make your thread about something other than Benin, I've had enough of people like you, just leave us and our history alone. Your purpose is not intellectual, you just want an e-war with us Edo as the people to be trolled. |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Emperordynasty: 10:32pm On May 11 |
Ghostagain:Oga its seems you are bent on being an insultive person if you don't like what i have posted you can leave the thread. |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Busted234: 8:50pm On May 12 |
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Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by Emperordynasty: 7:38pm On May 13 |
Busted234: Chief i am not Yoruba i am A full blooded native of Edo state.. And if you have taken time to read my post you will see all i have done is tell the great tales of Our shared ancient history. I have in no way insulted the exalted heritage of the Benin empire.. So you can go and read through all my post properly. No one has the write to tell me not share my own history...thanks |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by macof(m): 10:36pm On May 21 |
Ghostagain: Caesar made himself King, created the title emperor for himself ![]() And you are running your mouth about Nigerians not knowing history Why not just shut up and leave history talking since you don't know history |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by macof(m): 11:12pm On May 21 |
Emperordynasty:Referring to Benin as a one time empire is correct, the problem arises when people don't have respect for timeline consistencies and speak as if the polity was always an empire. Benin started off as a distant offshoot of Ife benefiting from Ife's trade network and commercial monopoly which saw that polity rise to primacy in the first place. Until the mid 15th century, of all the cities with links to Ife, Benin was the first to maintain a steady growth (Owu would have been, but couldn't due to rivalry with Oyo during Sango's reign and Ife's still existing power under Ọbalufọn, but also constant Nupe raids) By the 1550s-1600s Benin was at its peak, Oba Ehengbuda was the last great expansionist King Benin had. By the 1690s a long civil war that lasted decades broke out between the supporters of Oba Ozuere and those of Oba Akenzua. Benin city itself was destroyed and later rebuilt but never able to fully recover it's early 1600s power. It's hold on some formerly answerable kingdoms became mostly relegated to legitimacy rather than actual authority, which Benin itself maintained with Ife. |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by samuk: 11:59pm On May 21 |
macof: There are no verifiable historical evidence that support Benin relationship with Ife until the fall of Benin in 1897. Everything you wrote were fabricated after 1897. You cannot provide any written evidence before 1897 that link Benin to Ife. I challenged you to provide such evidence. |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by macof(m): 4:18am On May 22 |
samuk:You are inconsequential. If you like claim your father didn't exist that's a problem for your headache Historians are not clowns like you |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by samuk: 7:53am On May 22 |
macof: You mean Ibadan manufactured historians that are not taken seriously outside Nigeria. Yoruba can not write their history without mentioning Benin. Most of Yoruba verifiable eyewitness historical accounts began in 1824. I am still waiting for the evidence I challenged you to provide in support of your claim.
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Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by macof(m): 3:14pm On May 22 |
samuk: Anybody can write anything in a fit to throw tantrum Doesn't change the facts which all historians all over the world know Very stupidd of anyone to say Benin dynasty is of Nupe-Igala origin just so to deny its Ife origin Na so madness dey start. What evidence exists to even mildly justify such Nupe origin |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by samuk: 8:29pm On May 22 |
macof: Where did you read that Benin dynasty is of Nupe-Igala Origin. |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by UMUAZEE: 8:41pm On May 22 |
samuk: Bro forget these Edo/yoruba arguments, we all know the manufactured relationship is less than 100years old. Going back and forth with Yoruba revisionists will distract you. Focus on your research on Edo history. I saw Benin/Portuguese letters you posted.. Nice one, keep it up. |
Re: Ancient Benin: Was It A City, A Kingdom Or An Empire.) by samuk: 8:49pm On May 22 |
UMUAZEE: Thanks. I have more to post as soon as nairaland allow me to post them. |
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